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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 18:13:28 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #897
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Linux-Misc Digest #897, Volume #2 Fri, 7 Oct 94 18:13:28 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: How to let normal users run SVGALIB programs (SOLN) (Pete Chown)
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Re: Linux on a 386 (Steven Pritchard)
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Re: Softlanding (Erik Troan)
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Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM? (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
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Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Peter H. Lemieux)
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Re: Where to find kernal upgrades (Uwe Bonnes)
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Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Re: New Linux Distribution (Justin Murdock)
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Linux installed from CD but now won't read it... (Donald R Lloyd)
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Teac 4x supported? (S.hoffar)
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error 0x11 (root)
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Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Ralph Sims)
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Linux and Ethernet (root)
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Help with the SoundBlaster (Goran Devic)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Bernd Backhaus)
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Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Harm Hanemaaijer)
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Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Jeff Kesselman)
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Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development (Xiaojun Zhu)
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: pc@dale.dircon.co.uk (Pete Chown)
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Subject: Re: How to let normal users run SVGALIB programs (SOLN)
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:16:05 GMT
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In article <36u4s2$1e4@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> xuuah@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr D R Barlow) writes:
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> [making svgalib programs setuid is] still not exactly an ideal
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> solution, but the alternatives seem to be to put it in the kernel
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> (bloat...) or to make a kind of client/server thing with one setuid
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> process and normal user processes communicating with it. This has
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> however already been done, it's called X :-) Does anyone have any
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> better ideas?
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How about this:
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When an svgalib program starts, it checks to see whether it has the
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I/O permissions it needs. If it doesn't, it exec's another program
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which is suid root. This program checks that the first program is
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entitled to have direct access to the video system; if it is, it
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adjusts the I/O permission bitmap accordingly, and then exec's the
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first program (after setting its euid back to the proper value). This
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program does what it did last time--looks to see whether it has the
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relevant I/O permissions. This time, it does have, and starts
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working.
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This allows normal users not only to run svgalib programs, but to
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write ones of their own. The svgalib clients do not have to be
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trusted.
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Of course this will only work if I/O permissions are not reset by the
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exec() calls. I don't know whether this is the case or not--the only
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thing I use for graphics is X...
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------------------------------
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From: spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Steven Pritchard)
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Subject: Re: Linux on a 386
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:12:10 -0600
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ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos) writes:
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>Jeff Kesselman (jeffpk@netcom.com), quoted out of context, wrote:
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>> In article <36cs30$sb6@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
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>> Jim Sun <jsun@athena.mit.edu> wrote:
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>> >jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) wrote:
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>> >
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>> >>Note however that NOT all 486's are equal. The IBM
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>> >>blue-lightening 486 for instance, is really a 386 with improved caching.
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>> >>it does NOt have the improved micrcode and runs somewhere btw a 386 and 486
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>> >>in performance....
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>> >
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>> >The first sentence is correct; the remainder are misinformation at best.
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>> >IBM's SLC and DLC processors are indeed merely improved 386s;
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>What about Cyrix's DLC? Is it also just an improved 386?
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The DLC is 486 instruction set compatible. It has only a 1K cache. It
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has the same pin-out as a 386DX, though. Apparently, this means that it
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can't do anything a 486 does with those extra pins. (The only thing I
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know of is burst mode, there could be more.)
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A friend of mine claims to get about 486DX/33 performance from a DLC/40 w/
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mathco.
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Steve
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--
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spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu | Southern Illinois Linux Users Group
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Steven Pritchard | http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~spritcha/home.html
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(618)549-8579 | Meetings the 1st and 3rd Mondays of every month.
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From: ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: Softlanding
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:03:53 GMT
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In article <370pjl$t1v@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk>,
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E. St. John-Olcayto <cnas30@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> wrote:
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>I've been using Linux 0.98 for the last two years via the Softlanding
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>Software distribution. I've recently obtained an upgrade (Slackware)
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>but can anybody tell me whatever happend to Softlanding?
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They seem to have fallen off the face of the earth as everyone waved
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goodbye.
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Right after 1.0 came out, Peter (SLS guy) announced a new SLS - 1.05 I
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think. People tried it and found:
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1) Bugs that had become well known on the net were not fixed in the new
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version - not even simple things like permission problems.
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2) Binaries were horibly out of date
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3) A completely modular kernel was introduced. Neat hack, but Linus didn't
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like how it was implemented and decided not to use it in his kernel. This
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made SLS's changes a lot less appealing to people (fyi, Linus's objections
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were technical and well-founded)
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4) SCSI wasn't supported properly in the modular kernel, and SLS was selling
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the fix for a lot of money.
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Peter never has responded to email from me or many other folks, and we just
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got sick of it. It's still on tsx-11 (and probably its mirrors) if you're
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really interested in it, but Slackware is *much* better.
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Erik
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--
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============================================================================
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"Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess
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Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt
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------------------------------
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From: mah@ka4ybr.com (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
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Subject: Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM?
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 11:33:09 GMT
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Mark A. Davis (mark@taylor.infi.net) wrote:
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: And to think.... SCSI is made soooooo obsolete by these proprietary
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: CD-ROM interfaces........ ;)
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;-) yeah, I think the following is appropriate here:
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"..here pigs will fly, lightning will strike twice,
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hell will freeze over, and eventually,
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things will get really interesting..."
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--- Gary Merinstein
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I agree with you Mark!
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- Mark
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(Please! No harelipped dog jokes! :) ... )
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--
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"Linux! Why waste your money on anything less? "
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============================================================
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Mark A. Horton ka4ybr mah@ka4ybr.atlanta.com
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P.O. Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747 mah@ka4ybr.atl.ga.us
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+1.404.371.0291 : 33 45 31 N / 084 16 59 W mah@ka4ybr.com
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------------------------------
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From: phl@cyways.com (Peter H. Lemieux)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 04:26:30 GMT
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In article <3728nr$eb0@news.halcyon.com>, ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) says:
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>
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>Other things that run are Sendmail+IDA as a daemon, xntpd, and
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>CERN's web server. The ftp session definitely takes over the system.
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>
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Remember that FTP is running two simultaneous sessions with the other host,
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a data channel and a control channel. With only a standard two-wire modem,
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the line must be repeatedly turned around from TX to RX and back again.
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(Four wire, dedicated-line modems are pricey.) Services like news and
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the web have little upstream traffic, mostly downstream, since they
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have no control channel.
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Peter
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Dr. Peter H. Lemieux
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cyways, inc Voice: +1 (617) 924-7991
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203 Arlington Street Fax: +1 (617) 926-8440
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Watertown, MA 02172-2036 USA Internet: phl@cyways.com
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------------------------------
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From: bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes)
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Subject: Re: Where to find kernal upgrades
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 18:07:10 GMT
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Rob Kean (rkean@scsn.net) wrote:
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> I'm reletively new to the linux world...only been playing with it for about a
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> year now. I thought I just upgraded to the newest kernal with 1.1.18.
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> After reading through these posts, I see that the newest ( that I saw
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> mentioned) was 1.1.51.
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> Where do these come from. I didn't see them on sunsite or tsx-11???????
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Origin is nic.funet.fi:pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/v1.1 but soon afterwards on
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sunsite:pub/Linux/Incoming and later sunsite:pub/Linux/kernel/changes
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--
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Uwe Bonnes bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
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------------------------------
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From: dlj0@Lehigh.EDU (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
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Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 16:09:25 GMT
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In article <372tg0$1ai@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin) writes:
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>In article <1994Oct5.141142.773@muvms6>,
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>Andy Bailey <bailey9@muvms6.wvnet.edu> wrote [in c.o.l.misc]:
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>>[...]
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>>
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>You may get some negative feedback from the die-hard functionality
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>over form crowd, but I'd say there's a lot of truth to what you're
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>saying-- cleaning up minor things like GUI look & feel *will* make the
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>X environment more appealing to a lot of people (maybe this is
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>unfortunate, but with all the "fluff" on a typical Mac/Windoze desktop
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>nowadays a lot of people expect this kind of thing...)
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We got LOTS of fluff, but no *one* set of it. That is sort of the main
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difference. You want standardized interfaces? Not likely. A vendor could
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provide one -- most of them do. But linux is a creature of the net, and there
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will not be only one GUI interface.
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>
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>Some ideas along this line that I've thought about:
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>
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>1) A mouse-driven tool for setting common X resource preferences would
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>be *very* helpful, even for experienced users (kind of a big project,
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>I know).
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I don't think this is too hard, and it is a good idea.
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>2) A better X file manager than what's currently out there (xfm &
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>xfilemanager are nice but not as easy to configure, easy to use, or
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>generally polished as one might like). Maybe something that provided
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>essentially the same functionality as Mouseless Commander (the
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>text-based Norton Commander clone), but with a mouse-driven GUI? (&
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>provisions for icons if desired, scrollbars on the dual file selection
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>lists, real pulldown menus-- leave in the command line at the bottom,
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>though!).
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This is arleady avialable. Try GREAT. Really. It takes a while to
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configure, and you should have Motif to get the best performance, but it has
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lots of options.
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> Well, you mentioned NextStep-- on second thought, something
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>similar to the wonderful NeXT Workspace Manager application would be
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>delightful to have. For those who have never seen it, this program
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>(in its Browser mode) presents a group of side-by-side vertical
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>directory listings, with each column representing a level of the
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>directory hiearchy...
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Y'know, the browser from Ghostview is similar to this -- not as advanced,
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though. GREAT's file manager is similar, as well -- though not the
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tree-structure. To each his own
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>3) Another idea from HP-VUE... this environment features a "console
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>bar" area at the bottom of the screen, containing buttons to switch
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>virtual desktops, invocation icons for commonly-used apps, small icons
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>for system functions (logging out...), and space for a clock,
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>calendar, Xload bargraph, & other stuff.
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Again, GREAT -- along with what you can do with .xinitrc, can do this. There
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is also another program out there that does things like this. Can't
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remember the name, but check them out as they show up.
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Much of your suggestions are really already available, and I don't see any
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interest in somehow standardizing them. Making such bells&whistles available
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is one thing, making them ubiquitous is another. Don't just assume that,
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if it isn't in slackware, it's not available.
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--
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David L. Johnson dlj0@lehigh.edu or
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Department of Mathematics dlj0@chern.math.lehigh.edu
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Lehigh University
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14 E. Packer Avenue (610) 758-3759
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Bethlehem, PA 18015-3174 (610) 828-3708
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------------------------------
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:07:05 GMT
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miguel@carbono.quimica.uniovi.es (Miguel Alvarez Blanco) writes:
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>
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> Really? This must be in your own field, because some journals of the
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>APS, like Physical Review, accept LaTeX documents by e-mail (in source!)
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>and use LaTeX in producing the final document.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought that TeX was originally designed for
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CS types and mathematicians. For people in the vast majority of academic
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disciplines it's not exactly ideal. Like I mentioned before, it's very
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irksome to me to have to preview to see my Arabic or Greek or Hebrew in
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its native font. I also prefer to be able to switch keyboard layouts on
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the fly within my word processor app, so I can touch type in any language
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I know how to do that in (just two :-(, but still you see what I mean).
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This is not to say that LaTeX is a bad system. It probably serves many
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people's needs quite well. I just don't think it's the system of the fu-
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ture.
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--
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-Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
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goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
|
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------------------------------
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From: justin@vide.coventry.ac.uk (Justin Murdock)
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Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
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Date: 07 Oct 1994 13:24:56 GMT
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zachary> So give them the DOS interface they know so well, and the
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zachary> single user mode,
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perhaps an autologin would be better.
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zachary> and all the rest of the nightmare. And underneath it all,
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zachary> give them LINUX!
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--
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~ o - If this signature is present, then any perceived flame
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| - is entirely unintentional. Blame cultural differences.
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\_/ - If, on the other hand, this signature is missing......
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------------------------------
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From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Linux installed from CD but now won't read it...
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 10:15:04 -0400
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Last night I was finally able to get Linux up and running from the August
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Slackware CD (NEC SCSI CD_ROM drive connected to an SB16 SCSI-II). I only
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installed the basics initially, and now I want to go back and install X, etc.
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from the CD. The only problem is, Linux has decided not to recognize the
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CD-ROM drive any more.
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The drive is recognized in the list of SCSI devices when linux starts up,
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but when it tries to mount I get an error message that says "/dev/scd0 is
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not a block device". (/dev/scd0 is the device that seemed to work for the
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initial install). Attempts to mount it manually using "mount -t iso9660
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/dev/scd0 /cdrom" return the same error. There is a disk in the drive
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when I start up.
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Anyone know what could be happening here?
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Also... how can I change the login prompt to something that doesn't say
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"darkstar login:" ?
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--
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Don Lloyd don@chopin.udel.edu "Mmmmmm.... floor pie."
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Stuck using a PC, but still an Amiga guy at heart...
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|
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------------------------------
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From: szhoffar@dale.ucdavis.edu (S.hoffar)
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Subject: Teac 4x supported?
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 05:36:08 GMT
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I was wondering if the new teac quad speed CD Rom was supported
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in the Linux environment. I believe that is the cheapist quad on the
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market right now. I have seen ads for under $300! I was thinking of buying
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one this weekend, and perhaps a Soundblaster AWE? Any problems with that
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card as well? know that the AWE is still relatively new, that is why I
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ask. :) Please respond, as the weekend is approaching.
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thank you
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Sally
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------------------------------
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From: root@Reptile.msu.edu (root)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: error 0x11
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 05:42:06 GMT
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I recently installed Linux 1.0.9 on my 386 and things were working fine
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for a while. Then we recompiled the kernel to set up SoundBlaster
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supporrt. after rebooting, the error 0x11 came up. further reboots
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reduced, then eliminated this error message, but the message then came
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back. for referencce, if this is important, it is set to boot from LILO,
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with DOS being the default. Any suggestions on what's wrong and how to
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fix it? thanks in advance. (responses would be best via email, since i
|
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don't check news that often... thanks!)
|
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Ed Glowacki
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(glowack2@egr.msu.edu)
|
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|
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|
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|
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------------------------------
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From: ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
|
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:06:44 GMT
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phl@cyways.com (Peter H. Lemieux) writes:
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|
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>>CERN's web server. The ftp session definitely takes over the system.
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>Remember that FTP is running two simultaneous sessions with the other host,
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>a data channel and a control channel. With only a standard two-wire modem,
|
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|
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Right, but introducing a 3000ms latency in the PPP session is not
|
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really acceptable.
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------------------------------
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From: root@Reptile.msu.edu (root)
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Subject: Linux and Ethernet
|
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 05:48:59 GMT
|
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|
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Anyone have any hints on how to configure Linux to use an Ethernet card?
|
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The theory is to try to connect a small group of computers, with possibly
|
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one of them connected via dialup to the Internet. Thanks in advance.
|
||||
(please reply via email, as i don't checck the news groups that often.
|
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thanks!)
|
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|
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Ed Glowacki
|
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(glowack2@egr.msu.edu)
|
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|
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------------------------------
|
||||
|
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From: goran@cs.utexas.edu (Goran Devic)
|
||||
Subject: Help with the SoundBlaster
|
||||
Date: 7 Oct 1994 00:54:11 -0500
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
Hi, there!
|
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I just recompiled Linux (1.0.9) to include SoundBlaster support
|
||||
(220/5/1). When I boot Linux, I can hear a click from the SB, so it
|
||||
means it initializes it, but now I can't (or i don't know :-) to
|
||||
produce any sound...
|
||||
|
||||
I d/l some *.au files and tried ' cat .. >/dev/audio ' but nothing
|
||||
happens. Please someone who has SB working to tell me what should I
|
||||
do to play audio (both melodies & raw data ) and what utility programs
|
||||
are available somewhere.
|
||||
|
||||
Thanx in advance,
|
||||
Goran
|
||||
|
||||
--
|
||||
o"o
|
||||
+----oOO--=U=--OOo------+
|
||||
| goran@cs.utexas.edu |
|
||||
+-----------------------+ Smash your forehead on any key to continue...
|
||||
|
||||
------------------------------
|
||||
|
||||
Date: 06 Oct 1994 11:59:00 +0100
|
||||
From: bernd@bbbo.ping.de (Bernd Backhaus)
|
||||
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
|
||||
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
|
||||
|
||||
paai@kub.nl wrote 06 Oct 94 in article <370eng$6g2@kubds1.kub.nl>:
|
||||
|
||||
> In article <1994Oct5.174859.18757@midway.uchicago.edu>
|
||||
> goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
|
||||
|
||||
> >Guys, the race is on to capture growing markets in China, India, and
|
||||
> >perhaps Russia and Islamic countries, and Unix is way behind the Mac
|
||||
> >(WorldScript) and NT (Unicode); probably behind NeXTStep, too, though
|
||||
> >I don't know what they've been doing lately....
|
||||
|
||||
> Richard: I don't understand. OK, you can get Hebrew or Arabic under
|
||||
> Windows (I even saw a wordprocessor for old-egyptian hieroglyphs
|
||||
> demonstrated), but surely they are just translations of graphics for
|
||||
> existing characters? You can't even write hebrew in the right
|
||||
> direction (i.e. from right to left) when you select the font. If you
|
||||
> want to do that, you have to start from scratch and break out that
|
||||
> assembly language manual; or at least the toolbox with graphic
|
||||
> functions and there is not much in MS-Windows that you can use right
|
||||
> away. The hieroglyphic wordprocessor was done this way.
|
||||
|
||||
Wrong. All of the following packages have their own TrueType fonts for the
|
||||
specific language, most allow to write right -> left, up -> down or whatever.
|
||||
With Universe you can even mix as many languages on one page as you wish.
|
||||
|
||||
Logos - plug in for WinWord with special keboard drivers
|
||||
|
||||
Right Type - plug in for most Windows programs with TrueType and Bitmap fonts,
|
||||
incl. keyboard drivers
|
||||
|
||||
Glasnost Cyrillic Library
|
||||
|
||||
Switch - switches between cyrillic and latin with a hotkey incl. keyboard
|
||||
layout swapping
|
||||
|
||||
TurkishFontFactoty and EastEuropean FontFactory - like Switch
|
||||
|
||||
Kyrillica - despite the name also has fonts for almost every language in the
|
||||
world
|
||||
|
||||
Twinbridge Chinese Japanese Korean tools
|
||||
|
||||
Gamma Universe word processor for almost every language, incl. keyboard
|
||||
redefinition on the fly
|
||||
|
||||
The point is: you can do that under Windows easily (NT even easier in Unicode)
|
||||
as you just have to create TrueType (or Postscript if you want) fonts and
|
||||
intercept the keyboard driver with a suitable one or for more exotic languages
|
||||
with an input help like a selection pad (for Kanji etc). And most of the plug
|
||||
in's work with every Windows application that is coded properly (i.e. doesn't
|
||||
come with its own drivers).
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
Cheers,
|
||||
Bernd.
|
||||
|
||||
===========================================================================
|
||||
Bernd Backhaus email: bernd@bbbo.ping.de
|
||||
Am Schamberge 56 Compuserve: 100111,3061
|
||||
44879 Bochum Fidonet: 2:2448/53.8
|
||||
Germany
|
||||
|
||||
------------------------------
|
||||
|
||||
From: hhanemaa@cs.ruu.nl (Harm Hanemaaijer)
|
||||
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
|
||||
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:51:06 GMT
|
||||
|
||||
I think having a distribution optionally install nice
|
||||
light-on-dark color resources for terminal windows and other apps,
|
||||
with window manager colors to match and good fonts, would make a
|
||||
significant perception difference. A large fraction of users don't
|
||||
have a clue of how to configure X looks.
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
------------------------------
|
||||
|
||||
From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
|
||||
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
|
||||
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:21:09 GMT
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
Thanks Paul.
|
||||
|
||||
To give anye masochists actually following this the other half of that
|
||||
email. I told Paul I'ld look at his example and check it out against my
|
||||
machine to see if it holds true in my setup. Stay tuned for more
|
||||
no-holds-bared verbal tussling :)
|
||||
(Actually not much more, I think we've about reached conclusions one way
|
||||
or the other after which theres not much more either of us can say
|
||||
that'll chnage either of our minds... :) )
|
||||
|
||||
Jeff Kesselman
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
------------------------------
|
||||
|
||||
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
|
||||
From: xjzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca (Xiaojun Zhu)
|
||||
Subject: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development
|
||||
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 06:39:33 GMT
|
||||
|
||||
I want to start a flame here. Please feel free to flame me as well.
|
||||
|
||||
Ever since the gnu c 2.6.0 compiler coming out, there are always some people
|
||||
out there telling people that gcc 2.6.1 is coming out R.S.N., because
|
||||
they know(yeah, I know you, you are an expert ?!?!), gcc 2.x.0 always
|
||||
have bugs!!!, whenever some people
|
||||
ask "could we get the new version for my linux version, PLEASE", and
|
||||
no matter how sweet the plea may sounds. Because they just want to
|
||||
WAIT until more bugs are fixed.
|
||||
|
||||
But how could people fix those bugs? At least the gnu people? I think
|
||||
mainly through people using and testing them. That's also how the
|
||||
Linux itself is improving. Linux is a big community,
|
||||
lots of users are exposed to the Unixish world just through this
|
||||
box. Linux kernel is built using the gnu compiler. How could we
|
||||
act so selfish and just sit there and wait until somebody else fix the bugs?
|
||||
|
||||
Think about the scenario, when linus announced his first release of
|
||||
linux and no body wanted to try that out? You know the answer,
|
||||
don't you?
|
||||
|
||||
Oh, yeah, you could say, if you want to test them, you could always
|
||||
go ahead and join the GCC channel, maybe you could get
|
||||
the more up to date code and compile and install it yourself. Oh, sure,
|
||||
but some ordinally user may not have the necessary conditions to do
|
||||
it, for example, lack of harddisk spaces, don't want to go through
|
||||
lots of troubles(it is time consuming, you know that, GOD?)
|
||||
|
||||
So, please, stop sit back and wait, Start to support the gnu c development
|
||||
today. I know many of are experts(in real), if you could afford the time
|
||||
and know more about things, why not help us update our compiler? Maybe
|
||||
the compiler will become better faster? Don't you think? Give them more
|
||||
credits. I don't think that they are dumb enough that they want to
|
||||
release some bad product. We should be helping them to fix the bugs.
|
||||
In fact, I have strong evidence that gcc2.6.0 is lot better than
|
||||
gcc2.5.8, Also, gcc 2.6.0 is an official release.
|
||||
|
||||
I have just waited for so long and tired to hear about RSN. I am also
|
||||
wondering the RSN is how soon?
|
||||
Without many people using and testing them? These days, I chose not
|
||||
to use my linux box, because it doesn't have an up to date
|
||||
gcc compiler. I have some template class code which compiles perfectly
|
||||
well under gcc 2.6.0 but failed under gcc 2.5.8, I don't even have
|
||||
the opportunity to become the bug reporter, you are not suppose
|
||||
to report a bug in gcc 2.5.8 which doesn't occur in gcc 2.6.0 any more.
|
||||
|
||||
There are alwyas some kind soul offers to put the newer version in an
|
||||
FTP site, please Don't say don't, OK! That's your personal opinion.
|
||||
|
||||
Your opinion?
|
||||
|
||||
Flame with me or flame me!!! It's a free world, isn't it?
|
||||
|
||||
XJ
|
||||
|
||||
------------------------------
|
||||
|
||||
|
||||
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|
||||
|
||||
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|
||||
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|
||||
|
||||
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|
||||
|
||||
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|
||||
|
||||
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|
||||
|
||||
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
|
||||
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|
||||
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
|
||||
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|
||||
|
||||
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|
||||
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|
||||
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