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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #210
From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 00:13:08 EDT
Linux-Activists Digest #210, Volume #6 Wed, 8 Sep 93 00:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: TCSH -- no pwd? (Michael Elkins)
BUG found: slackware 'setup' (Stephen Ritter)
WANTED : FTP site for complete Linux package/utilities (Nikos Moutzouris)
[Q] Installing SLS from Ethernet (Greg Corteville)
* Need Help on XFree Please !!! (slzw0@cc.usu.edu)
Re: NeXTStep & Linux (Gold Silver Soup and Silk)
Re: Bugs with .99pl12 (Peter Hofmann)
DG62x5 chip set? FAX? DAT audio? (Hank Dietz)
Problem Install SLS TSX-11 (fnrjh@aurora.alaska.edu)
Re: BSD UNIX (J Fieber)
***Q: How to add path? (slksp@cc.usu.edu)
Re: Problems with cnews/SLS 0.99.pl9-1 - Pnews ??? (Bryan Halvorson)
Re: UUCP on SLS 1.03 (Vince Skahan)
Shutdown doesnt unmount (levinson@vax.sonoma.edu)
Re: Will Linux run MSDOS applications (which use DMA/interrupts)? (Donald J. Becker)
Re: [Q] Installing SLS from Ethernet (Donald J. Becker)
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From: elkins@aerospace.aero.org (Michael Elkins)
Subject: Re: TCSH -- no pwd?
Date: 7 Sep 1993 20:00:51 GMT
In article <266chh$1br@agate.berkeley.edu>,
Brion Moss <boss@soda.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>Personally, I just have an alias in my .tcshrc that sets pwd as an alias
>for `echo $cwd`. This not only solves the problem, but it's faster and
>more efficient than having a separate binary to use.
>(pwd isn't a builtin in csh or tcsh on any system I've been on, only in
>sh or bash or whatever.)
Except that if you use amd, or any type of links to nfs mounts, that won't
tell you where you *really* are.
Something like this will work, tho:
#include <sys/param.h>
main () {
char cwd[MAXPATHLEN];
printf ("%s\n", getwd(cwd));
}
me
michael elkins elkins@aero.org
computer science and technology subdivision
aerospace corporation tel: +1 310-336-8040
el segundo, ca fax: +1 310-336-4402
------------------------------
From: ritter@sdsc.edu (Stephen Ritter)
Subject: BUG found: slackware 'setup'
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 21:48:33 GMT
To whom it may concern (ie the slackware guys):
I recently attempted to install slackware (1.02) via nfs using the
setup script. There seems to be a problem, in the script the
following variables are set (the names may not be exact, I don't have
the script infront of me...):
Refer to the NFS section of the stup script...
SOURCE_MOUNTED= -source_mounted #non-null
REMOTE_PATH=/disks/fatt1/slackware #received from user
REMOTE_IPADDR= XXX.XX.XXX.XXX #ip no. of the NFS server
DISTRIBUTION_SOURCE- /INSTALL/mount$REMOTE_PATH
SERIES= -sets AEFX
ok, with these set, the script mounts the dir with slackware source on
/INSTALL/mount:
mount -t ext2 $REMOTE_IPADDR:$REMOTE_PATH /INSTALL/mount
Now pkgtool is sent with the folloing flag:
-source_dir $DISTRIBUTION_SOURCE
Expanding DISTRIBUTION_SOURCE gives the following:
/INSTALL/mount/disks/fatt1/slackware
ERROR!!
should be:
-source_dir /INSTALL/mount
Sorry for the "wordiness" of this, I am very tired.
--Steve
ritter@helmholtz.sdsc.edu
------------------------------
Subject: WANTED : FTP site for complete Linux package/utilities
From: nmou@leon.ncrps.ariadne-t.gr (Nikos Moutzouris)
Date: 7 Sep 93 19:37:07 +0200
Is there an ftp site from where I can get the complete linux soft including
any applications/utilities ???
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: gcortevi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Corteville)
Subject: [Q] Installing SLS from Ethernet
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 22:19:14 GMT
I noticed onb the installation disk that there is an option to install
Linux from ethernet. How would one go about doing this? Can it be
installed directly from the FTP site? I don't want to use up the disks if
I don't have to. Help would be appreciated. Email preferred.
gcortevi@klingon.lbs.msu.edu
------------------------------
From: slzw0@cc.usu.edu
Subject: * Need Help on XFree Please !!!
Date: 7 Sep 93 16:31:04 MDT
Hi, I am a novice on Linux stuff. I have succeeded installing Linux except
X-window. I have very hard time on doing this. I would greatly appreciate
if someone give me an advice on installing X. (I read FAQ but it was not
really helpful for my job) My system configuartion is
as follows.
VLB 486DX2-66 with ET-4000/w32 Video card (Hercules Dynamite)
140M space HD space for Linux.
My question is,
1. I have diskettes for SLS x1-x10. Someone said use XFree86.
What is the difference in between?
2. I've downloaded XFree86 on my workstaion however, it was too big to
store in 1.44M floppy diskettes. I've no idea how I can bring those
files to my PC.
Thank you again.
Park
------------------------------
From: jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (Gold Silver Soup and Silk)
Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 22:16:11 GMT
In article <930904.224103.9T2.rusnews.w165w@mulvey.com> rich@mulvey.com (Rich Mulvey) writes:
>rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion) writes:
>
>> martini@tournesol.hep.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Ullrich Martini) writes:
>>
>>>hi,
>>>bye, ullrich
>>
>> nextssetp is, in my opinion the best OS there is. but it's hardware
>> requirements are just too great for intel. you'd have to have a fully
>> loaded comupter to even get one program running. so i doubt that anyoe
>>
> "Too great for Intel?" Ummmm... you may be interested in knowing that
>it has been available on Intel processors for several months now... and
like he said though, earler, you'd have to have a fully loaded computer to
even get one program running. (my setup wouldn't work, & it's kinda pretty
loaded.)
>
>- Rich
>
>--
>Rich Mulvey Amateur Radio: N2VDS 787 Elmwood Terrace
>rich@mulvey.com Rochester, NY 14620
-jonM
--
jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu <><
DJ AllStar of tha foolz(?)...comin' soon (we hope!)
get Linux OS, it's dope! it's free! it's UNIX!
------------------------------
From: peterh@jake.prz.tu-berlin.de (Peter Hofmann)
Subject: Re: Bugs with .99pl12
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 23:13:03 GMT
>I downloaded ext2fsprogs 0.3. When I run e2fsck on my hard disk, it checks,
>then it marks it clean. If I try to run e2fsck again, it says that the
>filesystem is clean and exits. I know this is normal conduct for e2fsck. The
>problem is that when I reboot (using shutdown -r now) the first mount says it
>is mounting an unchecked file system, which leads me to believe that shutdown
>marked it dirty??? then when my e2fsck runs (which I placed in /etc/rc) it
>goes thru the whole kit and kaboodle and checks the filesystem. Anyone know
>why this is and how to correct it? It should only actually check the system if
>it is not marked clean.
>
Try out bootutils-0.1 (to be found on every good ftp server) and follow the
instructions. The umount included there will cleanly unmount all the mounted
filesystems (even the root filesystem).
Peter
--
Peter Hofmann e-mail: peterh@prz.tu-berlin.de
Technical University Berlin
Einsteinufer 17 Tel. ++49-(0)30-314-21701
W-1000 Berlin 10, Germany
------------------------------
From: hankd@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Hank Dietz)
Subject: DG62x5 chip set? FAX? DAT audio?
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 23:21:59 GMT
I got my first Linux machine 2 years ago; it had 386SX-16, 2M (well,
1.6M), 42M disk and was a serious pain to get working under Linux.
Consequently, I got my new one fully loaded. It is:
Sager 8200, 486DX2-66, 16M, 340M disk, 10" active color
I also got the docking station for it:
2 VESA slots, 2 ISA slots, SCSI 1 controller
Here are my questions:
1. Linux and X run really well, but not in color. The VGA chip
set is not recognized by X. It is a DG62x5. Does anybody out
there have a Linux X driver for this chip set?
2. I have ordered a PCMCIA 14.4K FAX/modem. Is there any Linux
software that understands sending/receiving FAXes? What I
would want to send is mostly stuff done with groff.
3. I want to get some additional goodies for the docking station:
a) A good CD ROM drive
b) A good audio I/O board
c) A good backup tape drive
What does Linux understand? I have an audio DAT recorder; can
any of the audio boards talk in 16-bit 48K (or 44.1K) digital
audio data streams? Also, if I got a DAT drive for backup,
could that also write audio DATs? Is there any Linux software
for any of this stuff...?
Thanks.
-hankd
------------------------------
From: fnrjh@aurora.alaska.edu
Subject: Problem Install SLS TSX-11
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 00:39:59 GMT
Subject: problems after installing SLS from TSX-11.MIT.EDU
Hi. I have previously installed Linux at home and decided to install the
newest version that is at TSX-11. I erased my old disks a2 throught X10.
FTP in:
1) I looked for RAWWRITE before erasing A1.3 It is not where I remembered it
I thought it was in the SLS directory.
After grabbing everything and xcopy to the disk:
2) I split my hda into part 1 dos, part 2 swap (19635blocks) mkswap reports
20Meg swap bult. But when I swapon /dev/hda2 it reported only 16 meg
swap added.
3) Started to install. Error message on disk A4 was
"gzip123...TAR could not link usr/bin/zcmp to usr/bin/zdiff file exist."
3) After install went well I logged on as root and typed menu. I get most
of the menu but the part that is the bottom right bar with quit to exit
is garbage. I have downloaded everything again and reinstalled, even
wiped the partition first. Still get all of the same messages.
4) When I startx it tells me that "fixed font can not be found" and the
server dies.
I have a 386DX-40 with only 4 Meg ram, two IDE drives. One Quantum 114 Meg
and a segate 170 Meg drive. I know X is not supposto run like this but the
memory is to be on order soon. The rest is critical for me to use this box
as a demo for my class work and my boss is intersted in UNIX to.
I hope to get this going soon.
Please send Email to FNRJH@Aurora.Alaska.edu
Robert J. Hale III
Elmer E. Rasmuson Library
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks Alaska 99775
FNRJH@Aurora.Alaska.edu
(907) 474-5292 Work
(907) 474-6841 Fax
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (J Fieber)
Subject: Re: BSD UNIX
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 00:47:49 GMT
In article (sorry, lost the original citation)
>>> Hey now! B^). I'll pit the 3000's 0.9 I/O performance against any
>>> 386 or 486 based system any day!
Well heck, my pokey old un-accelerated Amiga 2000 got better disk
i/o performance than this spiffy new 486 I'm using now. I'm
using the same drives with an (expensive!) Adaptec 1542C. Pretty
darn depressing I must say. The price of EISA controllers
amounts to highway robbery too.
-john
--
=== jfieber@sophia.smith.edu ================================================
======================================= Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush ===
------------------------------
From: slksp@cc.usu.edu
Subject: ***Q: How to add path?
Date: 7 Sep 93 19:11:23 MDT
Hi,
I want to add a path to my system, but I cannot find the right file
to do this. My question is: is there a file just like autoexec.bat
in dos that alow us to setup paths?
Thanks a lot!
Chet
------------------------------
From: bryan@edgar.mn.org (Bryan Halvorson)
Subject: Re: Problems with cnews/SLS 0.99.pl9-1 - Pnews ???
Reply-To: bryan@edgar.mn.org
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1993 18:48:41 GMT
In article <25tueq$1bq@panix.com>, Chris Taylor <cht@panix.com> wrote:
>
> When I use Pnews to post to an article for which I feel I have properly
> configured the system, I get 'relaynews: set[ug]id failed (bad file number)'.
>
> /usr/local/lib/news/bin/relay/relaynews is rwsrwsr-x, owner and group
> news (which I have added to /etc/passwd and /etc/group ).
I went thru the same thing last week when I was helping a friend with
his linux system. More than likely the permissions on setnewsids is
incorrect. Here's what it looks like on my system.
-rwsrwxr-x 1 root other 52147 Apr 15 1992 /usr/lib/news/setnewsids
--
Bryan Halvorson bryan@edgar.mn.org
N0BUU bryan@n0buu.tcman.ampr.org
------------------------------
From: vince@victrola.wa.com (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: UUCP on SLS 1.03
Date: 7 Sep 1993 18:03:17 -0700
wlim@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Willie Lim) writes:
>[I think this is a Linux rather than a UUCP question. :-)]
part of it is...
>I have been "playing" the UUCP capability of LInux SLS 1.03 for the
>past few days (and nights. :-)) I used /dev/modem which is softlinked
>to /dev/cua1 (COM 2) with uugetty -r set for /dev/modem in
>/etc/inittab. Also I used Any in the relevent entries in the
>/usr/lib/uucp/Systems file (just to test things out).
>Here are several observations:
>1) When SLS 1.03 is first installed, the system talks to the modem
> (but no dialing out) frequently and then after a while (like an hour
> or more), it leaves the modem alone.
That's not the case with SLS1.02 and uucp didn't change in SLS 1.03.
I'd suggest you turn uugetty off in inittab until you get outgoing calling
working, then add uugetty back. If it breaks then, you have a uugetty
problem.
>2) Having done the necessary modifications to Devices, Dialers, and
> Systems in the /usr/lib/uucp directory and the paths and config
> files in the smail directory (don't remember the exact path
> anymore), I could test my UUCP link using the command:
> /usr/lib/uucico [-f] -x2 -s<hostname>
> Without the -x2 (or higher e.g. x3, x4) flag, Linux would not
> initiate a call otherwise uucico dials out with and without the -f
> or the -r flags set.
Used to be that you needed -x4 for it to work but I think that's fixed
now. I'm not certain what the minimum is with Taylor1.04 or if there
is one at all.
>3) I use crontab to schedule dialouts with the -f and -x2 flag on (I
> want to make sure that the system dials out). Everything works
> fine for a day or so and then
> /usr/lib/uucico -f -r1 -x2 -s<hostname>
> would do nothing except create the LCK..* and TMP...... files
> in /usr/spool/uucp. The audit.local and other logs in the
> /usr/spool/uucp don't seem to get updated when this happens (i.e.,
> when uucico doesn't initiate a dialout). Usually the logs will say
> something or explain why the dialout didn't occur and a couple of
> modem lights will flicker for a few seconds but in this case nothing.
Well if you don't show us the logs, we can't figure it out........
>Questions:
>a) How tightly "hardcoded" is the uucp neighbor "quick" to SLS 1.03?
it isn't. Unless it's your real UUCP neighbor, it shouldn't be in there
at all. Sigh...I can't understand how people keep making the mistake of
taking an example site-specific file and thinking it's valid for all sites
everywhere...
>b) How fast does the C.* and D.* files get created in the
> /usr/spool/uucp/hostname directory? I notice that sometimes those
> files (email addressed to hostname) get created as soon as I "send"
> them out of the mail program (Emacs rmail mode) but then there are times
> I notice that the files don't get created that quickly.
takes a few seconds with sendmail or smail, I dunno with emacs.
>c) I haven't left my system alone long enough (e.g. for > 24 hours)
> to see if the UUCP link will "wake" up again. Is the uucico's behavior
> described in 3 above expected?
no, it indicates you have something messed up on your end.
turn uugetty off and get uucp working first.
--
---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.wa.com -------------
It'll be great fun for the whole family...with a firearms orientation
- incredible advertisement for local outdoors show.
------------------------------
Subject: Shutdown doesnt unmount
From: levinson@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 7 Sep 93 20:26:59 -0800
Okay. I got BOOTUTILS and installed the new mount, umount, rdev and fsck. I
noticed that if I did a shutdown now, and when the system goes to single user,
I type umount -a, then reboot all is well (VFS doesnt say it is mounting
unchecked filesystem and e2fsck skips its check)
However, any other shutdown command does not unmount root. Is there a newer
shutdown command? I tried creating the file /etc/brc and placed
umount -a
in it, but still no luck. It looks like shutdown does not run umount.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Eric
--
Eric Levinson
rcisnet2!root@moon.nbn.com | Home computer (UUCP)
levinson@vax.sonoma.edu | Vax
I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way (415) 883-0696
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
From: becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker)
Subject: Re: Will Linux run MSDOS applications (which use DMA/interrupts)?
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 18:45:58 GMT
In article <2682in$kph@tamsun.tamu.edu> sam3103@tamsun.tamu.edu (Stan A. McClellan) writes:
>We have several MSDOS applications which use add-on DSP/A-to-D boards and
>we don't want to lose this functionality if we convert to the Linux
>environment.
>
>(1) How does Linux deal with MSDOS applications? Is it reliable?
> Can it support real-time applications such as A/D and D/A?
There is a PC virtual machine for running MS-DOS and applications
("dosemu"), but using DMA and interrupts is Right Out. While it's
possible to translate an IRQ into a user-level signal, that won't be
fast enough for the kind of application you are talking about. And
there are major difficulties dealing with general DMA in the
user-level address space of 'dosemu'.
>(2) Will any special drivers need to be written/installed for Linux to
> run MSDOS applications which do low-level I/O? If so, I assume that
> software like this is application-specific. Is this correct?
You can write a Linux device driver, and then hack that into the PC
virtual machine, but once you start you'll probably end up rewriting
your entire application in Linux.
>(3) If the DOS emulator currently won't handle these situations, is there
> work underway to address this, or am I hoping for too much from Linux?
It's too much to expect to be able to run an arbitrary MS-DOS device
driver under Linux, or any real OS. You have to deal with virtual to
physical page mappings, physically contiguous pages, DMA boundaries
and limits (64K, 128K, 16M), wiring down pages, and a slew of other
issues just to make DMA work. Some device drivers also depend upon
software timing loops, being able to turn off interrupts, and
accurate, unimpeded access to the system timer chip. None of these
are compatible with the scheduling fairness and protection expected of
a general purpose operating system.
[[ I should only need a hot mitt rather than the full Nomex suit to
handle the pedantic replies and "but it works with {OS/2,NT,MSWindoze}". ]]
--
Donald Becker becker@super.org
IDA Supercomputing Research Center
17100 Science Drive, Bowie MD 20715 301-805-7482
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker)
Subject: Re: [Q] Installing SLS from Ethernet
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 02:30:48 GMT
In article <1993Sep7.221914.25852@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gcortevi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Corteville) writes:
>
>I noticed onb the installation disk that there is an option to install
>Linux from ethernet. How would one go about doing this? Can it be
>installed directly from the FTP site? I don't want to use up the disks if
>I don't have to. Help would be appreciated. Email preferred.
The SLS NFS installation is very easy to use, you just answer the questions
and go get a cup of your favorite beverage. If you answered the
questions correctly, you'll have a Linux machine when you come back.
I have a shell script that patches up locale-specific things like the
timezone file and machine name. This script keeps getting smaller, so
Peter must be doing something right.
You must find a site that permits anonymous NFS mounts -- anonymous
FTP isn't enough. There are a number of them around, but they don't
advertise it.
On a related note, there has been some discussion lately about having
the boot system on multiple disks. This is a bad idea -- it was a big
win when Peter managed to get the SLS boot system on a single disk.
It's far easier to hand someone a single floppy and a few IP
addresses, and say "here is everything you need" than to loan them a
few boxes and ask them to waste an hour swapping disks.
________________
# Linux system patchup script, this is SRC-specific so don't copy it blindly.
ROOTDIR=/root
INSTALL=/mnt/install
HOSTNAME=linux
DOMAIN=super.org
echo "Adding the swap partition to your /etc/fstab file."
#echo "/dev/hda3 swap swap defaults" >> $ROOTDIR/etc/fstab
cp /mnt/install/fstab $ROOTDIR/etc/fstab
mkdir $ROOTDIR/u01 $ROOTDIR/u02 $ROOTDIR/u03 $ROOTDIR/u04
mkdir $ROOTDIR/usr/projects $ROOTDIR/usr/public
if [ -r /mnt/install/addhosts ]; then
cat /mnt/install/addhosts >> $ROOTDIR/etc/hosts
fi
if [ -r /mnt/install/passwds ]; then
cat /mnt/install/passwds >> $ROOTDIR/etc/passwds
fi
if [ -r /mnt/install/xmodmap ]; then
cp /mnt/install/xmodmap $ROOTDIR/usr/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap
fi
echo "SLS Linux 0.99.12, installed at SRC." > $ROOTDIR/etc/issue
echo
echo "Setting the timezone to US Eastern."
echo "ln -sf US/Eastern $ROOTDIR/usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime"
ln -sf US/Eastern $ROOTDIR/usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime
ln $ROOTDIR/usr/bin/ls $ROOTDIR/bin/ls
--
Donald Becker becker@super.org
IDA Supercomputing Research Center
17100 Science Drive, Bowie MD 20715 301-805-7482
------------------------------
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