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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #211
From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:13:15 EDT
Linux-Activists Digest #211, Volume #6 Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:13:15 EDT
Contents:
SLS1.03: no root login via ttyS0 (/etc/securetty *is* ok) (Igor Khasilev)
Re: BUG found: slackware 'setup' (Patrick J. Volkerding)
Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount (Patrick J. Volkerding)
How do I set fs status to ok ? (Ole Nomann Thomsen)
re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot (Wolfgang.Roth@graphics.ap.mchp.sni.de)
Re: NeXTStep & Linux (Rich Mulvey)
Looking for Netware Support (Jon J. Allen)
Anyone running MS Windows? (Jon J. Allen)
Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount (Bjoern-Bernhard Schad)
Re: Linux slow > 16 MB (Rene' Seindal)
Users can't change passwords (Mark Huizer)
Re: BBS package (DEATH TO THE CLIPPER PROJECT)
Re: WANTED : FTP site for complete Linux package/utilities (Jon Gefaell)
Re: Looking for Netware Support (Jon Gefaell)
Re: Users can't change passwords (Dan Newcombe)
Help! Seyon does not release modem
286? (Colin Henein)
Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator? (Daniel Quinlan)
Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount (levinson@vax.sonoma.edu)
Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS? (Dale Gass)
Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator? (OUTTA HERE!)
Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator? (Steve Yelvington)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Igor Khasilev <gate@fido.odessa.ua>
Subject: SLS1.03: no root login via ttyS0 (/etc/securetty *is* ok)
Reply-To: gate@fido.odessa.ua
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:01:00 GMT
To : Mathias Bartsch
Hi!
> yes, I put ttyS0 into /etc/securetty,
> yes, I can login as a "normal" user.
> In the case of root:
> login prints "ILLEGAL ROOT LOGIN ON TTY `ttyS0'" at the console.
> Is it possible that login uses a different file with similar contents
> as /etc/securetty ?
Look at /etc/login.defs - there is a string wich looks like
CONSOLE tty1:tty2:tty3....ttyp1:ttyp2
You must add ttyS0 (or any other line wich you wish use as root) to this string.
Igor
---
* Origin: Tesseract Corner (2:467/2)
#Via Tesseract Corner GATE (2:467/2.100@FidoNet)
------------------------------
From: bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding)
Subject: Re: BUG found: slackware 'setup'
Date: 8 Sep 1993 05:57:48 GMT
Reply-To: bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding)
In a previous article, ritter@sdsc.edu (Stephen Ritter) says:
>To whom it may concern (ie the slackware guys):
>
>I recently attempted to install slackware (1.02) via nfs using the
>setup script. There seems to be a problem, in the script the
>following variables are set (the names may not be exact, I don't have
>the script infront of me...):
>
> [...]
>
This problem has been fixed. Thanks for the bug report (and 'scuze the
nasty bug :^)
--
Patrick Volkerding
volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
bf703@cleveland.freenet.edu
------------------------------
From: bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding)
Subject: Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount
Date: 8 Sep 1993 05:51:55 GMT
Reply-To: bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding)
In a previous article, levinson@vax.sonoma.edu () says:
>Okay. I got BOOTUTILS and installed the new mount, umount, rdev and fsck. I
>noticed that if I did a shutdown now, and when the system goes to single user,
>I type umount -a, then reboot all is well (VFS doesnt say it is mounting
>unchecked filesystem and e2fsck skips its check)
>
>However, any other shutdown command does not unmount root. Is there a newer
>shutdown command? I tried creating the file /etc/brc and placed
>
>umount -a
>
>in it, but still no luck. It looks like shutdown does not run umount.
>
Just a hunch, but you might want to try:
find / -name umount -print
:^)
I ran into the same thing caused by a duplicate umount. Otherwise, just
make sure you've rdev'ed your kernel properly. It took me a couple hours
to get bootutils going... it was one of those packages where just when I
was nearly ready to give up on it, it began working perfectly for no
apparent reason.
You're using the system V style "init", aren't you? That could also be a
factor. I think v. 2.4 is the latest.
--
Patrick Volkerding
volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
bf703@cleveland.freenet.edu
------------------------------
From: nomann@diku.dk (Ole Nomann Thomsen)
Subject: How do I set fs status to ok ?
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:06:31 GMT
(I have a nagging feeling, that this is a faq, but I haven't been able to
find it. Sorry).
My filesystems have been mounted during a hard-reset and now mount com-
plains about "mounting an unchecked filesystem" whenever I mount them.
e2fsck -r *has* already repaired the fs-es, but apparently there's
something missing. I have a feeling that all I have to do is switch some
kind of "unchecked" -bit in the super-block, but how do I do that ?
--
- Ole.
"I *failed* the Turing test?!?"
------------------------------
From: Wolfgang.Roth@graphics.ap.mchp.sni.de
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot
Date: 8 Sep 1993 09:01:45 GMT
In article <cornell.747335005@texas> cornell@syl.dl.nec.com writes:
>SLS version: 1.03
>Machine1: NEC Powermate 386
>Machine2: Amax PC/386
>
>I've installed the SLS v.1.03 release on three machines. The two
>listed above had the same trouble after installing, making a
>bootdisk, and trying to boot from that bootdisk.
I have the same problems on 3 machines (2*486 and 1*386) when I
tried to boot from the original 3,5" bootdisk in driva A. The
loading stops after the message "Detecting soundcard: AdLib
(type 3)". I have no soundcards installed.
--- Wolfgang Roth
Siemens-Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, SNI BA QS 14
D-8000 Muenchen 83, Otto-Hahn-Ring 6
Tel: +49-89-636-3754
Fax: +49-89-636-40339
E-Mail: Wolfgang.Roth@mch.sni.de
|
------------------------------
From: rich@mulvey.com (Rich Mulvey)
Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:24:46 EDT
jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (Gold Silver Soup and Silk) writes:
> In article <930904.224103.9T2.rusnews.w165w@mulvey.com> rich@mulvey.com (Rich
> Mulvey) writes:
>>rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion) writes:
>>
>>> martini@tournesol.hep.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Ullrich Martini) writes:
>>>
>>>>hi,
>>>>bye, ullrich
>>>
>>> nextssetp is, in my opinion the best OS there is. but it's hardware
>>> requirements are just too great for intel. you'd have to have a fully
>>> loaded comupter to even get one program running. so i doubt that anyoe
>>>
>> "Too great for Intel?" Ummmm... you may be interested in knowing that
>>it has been available on Intel processors for several months now... and
>
> like he said though, earler, you'd have to have a fully loaded computer to
> even get one program running. (my setup wouldn't work, & it's kinda pretty
> loaded.)
>>
Actually, he said two things: 1) You can't run it on Intel platforms.
2) You can run it on Intel, but only on a loaded machine. As a
programmer, I dislike inconsistency in specifications. :-)
Seriously though, at this very second I'm running a 486-66 that is fully
capable of running NextStep, and I paid under $2000.00 for it. That's very
inexpensive for what you get out of the software. Of course, I don't
choose to run it, for other reasons, but that's irrelevent. :-)
- Rich
--
Rich Mulvey Amateur Radio: N2VDS 787 Elmwood Terrace
rich@mulvey.com Rochester, NY 14620
------------------------------
From: jonallen@cs.buffalo.edu (Jon J. Allen)
Subject: Looking for Netware Support
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:08:22 GMT
I have been looking for a UNIX system that not only supports TCP/IP
but also can connect to a Netware server. (Netware 4.01)
SCO and USL offer such packages but cost too much. NOVELL sells
an NFS system for $3000.00 which is more than the UNIX software
that can do both.
I was just checking to see if someone in LINUX land has taken the
time to write this.
--
--Jon-J-Allen--jonallen@cs.buffalo.edu----Computer-Science--SUNY-@-Buffalo-NY--
"He you gettin' drunk - so sorry, I've got you sussed. He you smokin' mother
nature, You missed the bus. He hung up old mister normal - Don't try to gain
my trust. Cos you aint gonna follow me any of those ways." - the who
--
--Jon-J-Allen--jonallen@cs.buffalo.edu----Computer-Science--SUNY-@-Buffalo-NY--
Sexual Ignorance Breeds Sexual Fear.
Those who think that their way is the only right way.
The Sun must still circle the Earth in their mind. Sad but True!
------------------------------
From: jonallen@cs.buffalo.edu (Jon J. Allen)
Subject: Anyone running MS Windows?
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:11:57 GMT
Is there a MS Windows merge for LINUX? (I hate windows, but others
will not use LINUX if they can't run MS WORD etc...)
I know that I can run Windows on a different machine using X, but
this is a long way around...
--
--Jon-J-Allen--jonallen@cs.buffalo.edu----Computer-Science--SUNY-@-Buffalo-NY--
Sexual Ignorance Breeds Sexual Fear.
Those who think that their way is the only right way.
The Sun must still circle the Earth in their mind. Sad but True!
--
--Jon-J-Allen--jonallen@cs.buffalo.edu----Computer-Science--SUNY-@-Buffalo-NY--
"BUT SOMEDAY SOON WE'LL STOP TO PONDER, WHAT ON EARTH'S THIS SPELL WERE UNDER
WE MADE THE GRADE AND STILL WE WONDER, WHO THE HELL WE ARE!" - STYX
------------------------------
From: bjoernb@cs.tu-berlin.de (Bjoern-Bernhard Schad)
Subject: Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount
Date: 8 Sep 1993 13:35:19 GMT
levinson@vax.sonoma.edu wrote:
: Okay. I got BOOTUTILS and installed the new mount, umount, rdev and fsck. I
: noticed that if I did a shutdown now, and when the system goes to single user,
: I type umount -a, then reboot all is well (VFS doesnt say it is mounting
: unchecked filesystem and e2fsck skips its check)
: However, any other shutdown command does not unmount root. Is there a newer
: shutdown command? I tried creating the file /etc/brc and placed
: umount -a
: in it, but still no luck. It looks like shutdown does not run umount.
: Any help would be greatly appreciated!
When I use the 'shutdown' that came with SLS 1.0? (Kernel pl12),
everything gets properly unmounted, even without booutils. Did you
realize, that the bootutils umount, can only remount your root fs as
readonly?
Then to get everything starting, you have to e2fsck -r every Partition
and config lilo, to mount the root fs readonly.
: Eric
: --
: Eric Levinson
: rcisnet2!root@moon.nbn.com | Home computer (UUCP)
: levinson@vax.sonoma.edu | Vax
: I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way (415) 883-0696
Bjoern.
------------------------------
From: seindal@diku.dk (Rene' Seindal)
Subject: Re: Linux slow > 16 MB
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:46:21 GMT
RSanson@massey.ac.nz (R.L. Sanson) writes:
>RE: Linux slow > 16 MB
>I have recently increased my memory from 8 MB to 20 MB, and I must
>admit X operations (moving windows, bringing up menus etc.) seem
>much slower. Previously I used an 8 MB swap partition, which I
>removed with the additional RAM.
>Should I pull out 4 MB and drop back to 16 MB? My system is a 33 MHz
>Cyrix 486 DLC system.
I had a similar problem upgrading from 4 to 20 MB. Compiling a kernel took
50 minutes instead of the usual 5 minutes. The solution was in the
bios-setup. The machine only cached the first 4 MB in the on-chip caches,
leaving 16 MB uncached, and therefore much slower. Check your bios-setup.
Rene' Seindal (seindal@diku.dk)
------------------------------
From: markh@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Mark Huizer)
Subject: Users can't change passwords
Date: 8 Sep 1993 13:22:31 GMT
Hi,
I installed SLS 1.03 on my machine, but unfortunately I have a problem:
Only the root can change passwords. If a user attempts to do this, the
passwd-program halts with the message "Password can not be changed"
Does anybody have a clue?
Mark Huizer
(markh@stack.urc.tue.nl)
------------------------------
From: accsah@vaxa.hofstra.edu (DEATH TO THE CLIPPER PROJECT)
Subject: Re: BBS package
Date: 8 Sep 93 09:56:15 EST
In article <1993Sep7.062330.10506@black.toppoint.de>, kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) writes:
> IMHO a BBS setup for UNIX should consist mainly of two parts.
>
> The first is the BBS program in form of a users shell with
> integrated news and mail users agent. Such a program should
> utilize native UNIX news and mail transport agents and not try
> to implement a propietary data format.
The only problem I see with that is it defeats the purpose of the BBS.
If a person chooses to run a BBS for UNIX, it's usually because they don't
want the people to get a shell, and also for ease of use. Many people are
accustomed to a 'BBS' type interface, and not to a UNIX shell.
A BBS allows the SysAdmin to give people an easy interface where they don't
have to be bothered with accounts, and other functions.
================================================================================
Steven Henry | Linux - The internet operating system
Electrical Engineering | PowerPC - The future of computers
accsah@vaxc.hofstra.edu |
egg2sah@vaxc.hofstra.edu | Information is power. Power is information.
================================================================================
******** DEATH TO THE CLIPPER PROJECT *******
------------------------------
From: jeg7e@livia.acs.Virginia.EDU (Jon Gefaell)
Subject: Re: WANTED : FTP site for complete Linux package/utilities
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:02:15 GMT
In article <1993Sep7.193708.3466@news.sara.nl>,
Nikos Moutzouris <nmou@leon.ncrps.ariadne-t.gr> wrote:
>Is there an ftp site from where I can get the complete linux soft including
>any applications/utilities ???
Start by locating the FAQ's (Frequently Asked Questions) that will not only
answer this specific question, but all the many other questions that people
ask when they haven't bothered to avail themselves of the FAQ. :)
The FAQ's can be located in news.answers (which EVERYONE should subscribe to
IMHO) and of course from rtfm.mit.edu
--
Any opinions expressed herein are not intended to be construed as those of UVA
______
\ \ / Jon Gefaell, Computer Systems Engineer | Amateur Radio - KD4CQY
\/\/ Information Technology and Communications | -Will chmod for food-
\/ The University of Virginia, Charlottesville | Hacker@Virginia.EDU
------------------------------
From: jeg7e@livia.acs.Virginia.EDU (Jon Gefaell)
Subject: Re: Looking for Netware Support
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:04:54 GMT
In article <CD1Du0.EIF@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
Jon J. Allen <jonallen@cs.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>I have been looking for a UNIX system that not only supports TCP/IP
>but also can connect to a Netware server. (Netware 4.01)
>SCO and USL offer such packages but cost too much. NOVELL sells
>an NFS system for $3000.00 which is more than the UNIX software
>that can do both.
When you say USL, I assume you mean Novell? i.e. Univel?
>I was just checking to see if someone in LINUX land has taken the
>time to write this.
Netware will soon support IP directly (i.e. not IP tunneling <encapsulation
of IPX in IP> but real IP support to<->from the server.
--
Any opinions expressed herein are not intended to be construed as those of UVA
______
\ \ / Jon Gefaell, Computer Systems Engineer | Amateur Radio - KD4CQY
\/\/ Information Technology and Communications | -Will chmod for food-
\/ The University of Virginia, Charlottesville | Hacker@Virginia.EDU
------------------------------
From: dnewcomb@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Subject: Re: Users can't change passwords
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 15:34:02 GMT
markh@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Mark Huizer) writes:
> Hi,
>
> I installed SLS 1.03 on my machine, but unfortunately I have a problem:
> Only the root can change passwords. If a user attempts to do this, the
> passwd-program halts with the message "Password can not be changed"
>
> Does anybody have a clue?
I think it's very odd that all sorts of people are using the same
distribution, but problems seem to be unique. wierd. (This isn't a
cut on you Mark, just an observation.) Anyway...
If you do man passwd I'm sure all your problems will be answered. My
guess is when the accounts are being created, they are being set so that
the user can't change the password. It is an option on passwd. The manual
page should be able to help.
-Dan
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
From: totake@ho10.eng.ua.edu ()
Subject: Help! Seyon does not release modem
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1993 16:29:08 GMT
Hi everyone, I've run Sewyon successfulyy but when I exit it and at a
later time try to run it again it says that it can't find the modem
(/dev/cua2). I've checked the /usr/spool/uucp directory but nothing there.
Could anyone help me? Please reply by e-mail since this site currently
carries only comp.os.linux and no other linux news groups.
Thanks,
Tom
--
===============================================================================
\ Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception /
\ of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. /
===============================================================================
\\\\\\\\ Thomas Otake /////////
\\\\ totake@buster.eng.ua.edu \\_// 72570.3031@compuserve.com ////
===============================================================================
------------------------------
From: ac534@Freenet.carleton.ca (Colin Henein)
Subject: 286?
Reply-To: ac534@Freenet.carleton.ca (Colin Henein)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:12:12 GMT
Will linux run on a 286 machine?
If not, does anyone know of a unix clone that does (free?)
Colin
--
Colin Henein. | "Truth comes knocking on the door and
(Freenet Moron) | you say: 'GO AWAY! I'm looking for
Internet: ac534@Freenet.carleton.ca | the truth!' And so it goes away..."
Disclaimer: I'm stupid. | -- Robert M. Pirsig
------------------------------
From: quinlan@rose.cs.bucknell.edu (Daniel Quinlan)
Subject: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator?
Date: 08 Sep 1993 17:20:00 GMT
Reply-To: quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu
uberig@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Jason Uberig) writes:
> I browsed the group and didn't see any Atari related stuff. It sure
> would be nice to see a port of Linux for the Atari ST/Falcon/etc. Is/has
> anyone done this yet? I've heard a few rumors, but nothing substantial
> yet.
You know, I think that Linux should be ported to my refrigerator. I
mean, it already has many built in features similar to Unix and I
think that these facts should make a port simple.
o Hierarchical structure, i.e. old stuff goes in back, I even have
to defragment it whenever something starts to smell
o Electrical wiring (maybe in the future even this won't be needed!)
o Multi-user interface (I can use the freezer and someone else can
access the rest without any device conflicts)
o I heard a rumour that a beta version already exists for toasters
so surely someone must be working on a refrigerator version.
o It even has built-in power management (I heard the bulb
turns off whenever I shut the door) that is only just staring to
be used in typical personal computers.
And most important, almost everyone has a refrigerator lying around
that I believe needs to be running Linux to bring them up to par with
... well, my 386. Doesn't this make you mad! - why should Unix be
restricted to people with computers?
If anyone knows where I can find someone else wanting to port Linux to
refrigerators, please mail me so we can start work right away!
========================================================================
Back to reality.
This "port Linux to everything thing phenomenon" is rather silly. Why
on Earth would you want to port it to anything nobody uses anymore? I
don't want to know how slow any Unix would run on my Commodore 128
(yes I still have a working one). I know that we aren't all made of
gold, but 386's are dirt cheap these days.
Ian, if you are reading this, please add a "No, Linux is not being
ported to your refrigerator" to the daily-posting, if it isn't already
there.
Dan
--
================================
Daniel Quinlan
quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu
------------------------------
Subject: Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount
From: levinson@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 8 Sep 93 09:42:34 -0800
In article <26kn2n$foq@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, bjoernb@cs.tu-berlin.de (Bjoern-Bernhard Schad) writes:
> levinson@vax.sonoma.edu wrote:
> : Okay. I got BOOTUTILS and installed the new mount, umount, rdev and fsck. I
> : noticed that if I did a shutdown now, and when the system goes to single user,
> : I type umount -a, then reboot all is well (VFS doesnt say it is mounting
> : unchecked filesystem and e2fsck skips its check)
>
> : However, any other shutdown command does not unmount root. Is there a newer
> : shutdown command? I tried creating the file /etc/brc and placed
>
> : umount -a
>
> : in it, but still no luck. It looks like shutdown does not run umount.
>
> : Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
> When I use the 'shutdown' that came with SLS 1.0? (Kernel pl12),
> everything gets properly unmounted, even without booutils. Did you
> realize, that the bootutils umount, can only remount your root fs as
> readonly?
> Then to get everything starting, you have to e2fsck -r every Partition
> and config lilo, to mount the root fs readonly.
Well, I got SLS 1.01, and I have since gone from .99pl9-6 all the way to
.99pl12 without obtaining all of the support files. Like I said, if I use
shutdown now and go single user and type umount -a, it works. If I just use
shutdown -r now it doesnt unmount root.
Does anyone know where I can get the source to shutdown?
>
> : Eric
>
> : --
> : Eric Levinson
> : rcisnet2!root@moon.nbn.com | Home computer (UUCP)
> : levinson@vax.sonoma.edu | Vax
> : I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way (415) 883-0696
>
> Bjoern.
--
Eric Levinson
rcisnet2!root@moon.nbn.com | Home computer (UUCP)
levinson@vax.sonoma.edu | Vax
I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way (415) 883-0696
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
From: dale@mkseast.alt.ns.ca (Dale Gass)
Subject: Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS?
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:25:52 GMT
iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>In article <chmae.747045462@guug.de> chmae@guug.de (Christoph Maethner) writes:
>>I don't think I will ever need a 486 , I would perfer more RAM.
>I'd second this comment. With 8 users doing user like things you
>tend to hit the IDE disk performance limit and memory limits way before
>you hit CPU usage limits.
The hardware floating point of a 486 (or 386/387 combo) makes a world of
difference for floating point apps, though... The only heavy fp app I use
is ghostscript, and it's pretty much useless on a 386 without a 387.
-dale
--
Dale Gass, Mortice Kern Systems, Atlantic Canada Branch
Business: dale@east.mks.com, Pleasure: dale@mkseast.uucp|dale@mkseast.alt.ns.ca
------------------------------
From: aehall@calvin.seattleu.edu (OUTTA HERE!)
Subject: Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator?
Date: 8 Sep 1993 17:54:55 GMT
In article <QUINLAN.93Sep8132001@rose.cs.bucknell.edu> quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu writes:
[snip -- porting stuff deleted]
>
>You know, I think that Linux should be ported to my refrigerator. I
>mean, it already has many built in features similar to Unix and I
>think that these facts should make a port simple.
[snip]
> o Multi-user interface (I can use the freezer and someone else can
> access the rest without any device conflicts)
Yes, but what kind of security does your refrigerator have? Has it
been through NSA's certification?? I'm all for the port, but a bit worried
about unauthorized users...
[snip]
>This "port Linux to everything thing phenomenon" is rather silly. Why
>on Earth would you want to port it to anything nobody uses anymore? I
>don't want to know how slow any Unix would run on my Commodore 128
>(yes I still have a working one). I know that we aren't all made of
>gold, but 386's are dirt cheap these days.
Hey, don't laugh... it took me a couple of days to port linux to my
TRS-80. I'll be uploading it to sunsite in a couple of days
(sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/TRS-80/*).
:) for the humor deficient
-Anthony
--
Anthony Hall _ _ Unix System Administrator
aehall@seattleu.edu /_/ /_/ Physician Micro Systems, Inc.
_ _ 2033 6th Ave Suite 707
/_/ /_/ Seattle, WA 98122 206-441-8490
------------------------------
From: Steve.Yelvington@launchpad.unc.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator?
Date: 8 Sep 1993 18:11:43 GMT
In article <QUINLAN.93Sep8132001@rose.cs.bucknell.edu> quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu writes:
>
>This "port Linux to everything thing phenomenon" is rather silly. Why
>on Earth would you want to port it to anything nobody uses anymore? I
>don't want to know how slow any Unix would run on my Commodore 128
>(yes I still have a working one). I know that we aren't all made of
>gold, but 386's are dirt cheap these days.
>
In principle, I like the idea of free Unix running on any hardware capable
of supporting it.
The original questioner asked about the Atari ST/TT/Falcon line, not about
a Commodore 128 (or a refrigerator). The ST -- which has a 68000 and no
MMU -- is out of the question, but the TT030 and Falcon aren't. In terms
of CPU horsepower, they're comparable to the '386.
But you're right to question whether it's worth the effort. The TT030 is
no longer in production, as far as I know, and Atari didn't sell very many
of them in the first place. The Falcon is nice -- 68030, Motorola DSP chip
and all that -- but Atari stupidly made it a 16-mHz machine instead of a
32-mHz machine and priced it above the current retail for a '486 box. Not
surprisingly, it isn't selling well.
So the best advice for any Atari users who are interested in Linux is to
pick up a cheap used '386 box, stuff it full of memory, and hack away. Use
your Atari as a VT100 if you like, or just keep it around for running DTP
or Midi stuff.
Or, if you really must stick to the Atari, you can run Minix or fake it
with MiNT and a Unix shell.
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