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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #213
From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 04:13:11 EDT
Linux-Activists Digest #213, Volume #6 Thu, 9 Sep 93 04:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount (Tall Cool One)
Re: Traceroute (Frank Lofaro)
Re: Traceroute (Frank Lofaro)
Archive site via mail?? (Ken Fisler)
Re: Refreshing Xwindows Automatically
Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS? (Jeff Stern)
NFS & Linux (John Will)
Re: delete libc.so.4.4.1 before symlink (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Mouse Install Help (Brett Michaels)
Multimedia (Brett Michaels)
gcc is swapping to disk all the time! (manuel Toledo-Quinones)
Xircom pocket adapter (Thomas J Bilan)
Compiling a man page (Thomas J Bilan)
Re: BBS package (Guru Aleph_Null)
Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS? (Michael L. VanLoon)
Linux-Amiga (Paul Christensen X3073)
Re: NeXTStep & Linux (Matt Richmond)
Re: Xircom pocket adapter (Karl Paul Mueller)
Re: Compiling a man page (Mike Elliott)
Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS? (Christoph Maethner)
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From: rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One )
Subject: Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount
Date: 9 Sep 1993 01:02:45 GMT
You might want to try the shutdown from utile14.taz. I had the same problem.
I had SLS1.01 with pl11. Bootutils works as stated with the shutdown
mentioned above, e2fsck 0.3, and the stuff in the bootutils package.
BTW, I don't remember where utile14.taz is. It IS in one of the archives,
tsx-11.mit.edu, or sunsite.unc.edu. I'll look it up if you can't find it.
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| | Raymond Yeung Internet: Nimbus@uiuc.edu | |
| | rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | |
| | EE student at the | |
| | University of Illinois CompuServe: 70700,1011 | |
| | at Urbana-Champaign | |
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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: Traceroute
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 00:51:06 GMT
In article <JOSEPH.12.0@ob.missouri.edu> JOSEPH@ob.missouri.edu writes:
>Enquired mind would like to know the meaning of the three number output
>by the traceroute!!! Can any kind soul would care to enlighten me??
>Thanks!!
>
>Traceroute sunsite
>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 154 ms (tt1) 33 ms (tt1) 25 ms (tt1)
It is the round trip time for the packet to make it to and back from
the indicated host. It is helpful in showing how the delays add up over a
transmission path.
For a real fun try, try traceroute to nic.ddn.mil. You'll see just how
much delay there can be in a net!
(I just did a ping from my account here to nic.ddn.mil, 7.726 seconds! I had
to up the wait time for ping, Ugh!)
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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: Traceroute
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 00:54:15 GMT
In article <JOSEPH.12.0@ob.missouri.edu> JOSEPH@ob.missouri.edu writes:
>Enquired mind would like to know the meaning of the three number output
>by the traceroute!!! Can any kind soul would care to enlighten me??
>Thanks!!
>
>Traceroute sunsite
>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 154 ms (tt1) 33 ms (tt1) 25 ms (tt1)
It is the round trip time for the packet to make it to and back from
the indicated host. It is helpful in showing how the delays add up over a
transmission path.
For a real fun try, try traceroute to nic.ddn.mil. You'll see just how
much delay there can be in a net!
(I just did a ping from my account here to nic.ddn.mil, 7.726 seconds! I had
to up the wait time for ping, Ugh!)
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From: bc151@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ken Fisler)
Subject: Archive site via mail??
Date: 9 Sep 1993 01:22:27 GMT
Hi,
I've been trying to track down FAQs and I think that I have them
within the sights. But they're in FINLAND. I rather not burden
the net. I know sunsite has them, but from my host I can't FTP
or TELNET... just mail.
So is there a US site for FAQs etc. which accepts email logins?
If you know of one, for the sake of the bandwidth, please let me
know. Additional details (like relevant subdirectories, key
files, etc.) also greatly appreciated.
==================================================================
Ken Fisler Internet: bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
Bitnet: bc151%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
===================================================================
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From: paul@pbunyk.physics.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: Re: Refreshing Xwindows Automatically
Date: 9 Sep 1993 01:43:48 GMT
In article <26i4pg$4hu@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, choeltje@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor What) writes:
|> ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
|>
|> >In article <26h00k$s73@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan) writes:
|> >>I am using a Diamond Stealth 24 VLB (na na naa na na) and a CTX 17" monitor
|> >>to run X in 1024 X 768 and I'm having problems with X refreshing the screen
|> >>automatically. It's noticably bad when you try to look at the menu from
|> >>on top another window.
|> >>
|> > Try putting the line NoSpeedUp in Xconfig. That might fix the problems
|> >with the screen leaving bits of windows/not refreshing right, etc. I had
|> >problems with at ET4000 card until I disabled the speed up code. I think the
|> >speed up code might be buggy or doesn't work with certain buggy chipsets
|> >(not just Diamond I'm afraid, any Xfree people know about this?)....
|>
|> > Adding NoSpeedUp to Xconfig might not help, but it might, so give it a
|> >try.
|>
|> I had a similar problem...and I was told to remove the speedup code (via the
|> NoSpeedUp in Xconfig.) However, it had NO effect (I'm using an S3 video board,
|> tho). I also got another suggestion. "Try a different Windows-Manager" That
|> worked very well. I'm using fvwm, and it works pretty well, thank you.
|>
|> -Doc
I avoided this problem with my S3 based board by setting
vendor "nolinear"
in my Xconfig. There still exist some flicker when moving window, but all
refreshes are OK.
Paul.
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From: jstern@aris.ss.uci.edu (Jeff Stern)
Subject: Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
Date: 9 Sep 93 02:17:54 GMT
In article <1993Sep8.132552.5718@mkseast.alt.ns.ca>,
Dale Gass <dale@mkseast.alt.ns.ca> wrote:
>iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>>In article <chmae.747045462@guug.de> chmae@guug.de (Christoph Maethner) writes:
>>>I don't think I will ever need a 486 , I would perfer more RAM.
>>I'd second this comment. With 8 users doing user like things you
>>tend to hit the IDE disk performance limit and memory limits way before
>>you hit CPU usage limits.
Wouldn't this, however, be an argument *for* getting a 486? I am just
wondering, as I have heard that UNIX on a 486 should conceivably run
better because the 486's hardware, especially if it has a local bus,
accesses peripherals, especially the hard drive, much more
efficiently, so that users are not as affected by others using the
drive...
===========================================================================
Jeff Stern <jstern@aris.ss.uci.edu>
"Timex Sinclair UNIX.. coming soon to a dealer near you."
===========================================================================
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From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will)
Subject: NFS & Linux
Date: 9 Sep 93 01:22:00 GMT
I'm interested in anyone's observations on NFS with Linux. I have Linux
on a 486DX2-50 and a Sun IPX on the same network, a DOS machine running
PC-NFS 4.0 is used to access both. Running Norton's SI 6.0, I get
pretty decent read & write performance from Linux, 178kb read & 100kb
write speeds. Accessing the Sun I get 300kb read and 14kb write! What
is going on with the Sun? Why such good read performance and such lousy
write performance? Is there any optimization that I can do to get Linux
a bit closer to the read performance of the Sun? I'm not interested in
getting Linux's write performance to match the sun, BTW. :-)
Internet: john.will@satalink.com
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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 93 09:35:35 +0100
From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: delete libc.so.4.4.1 before symlink
Hello Dongsung and all others,
on 05.09.93 Dongsung Kim wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX:
DK> I tried to upgrade my SLS 1.02 to SLS 1.03 and after install the 1.03
DK> version.
DK> I deleted libc.so.4.4.1 before make symlink libc.so.4 to libc.so.4.4.2.
DK> Therefore, I can not even login because init can not load library.
You can boot the SLS installation disk and mount your harddisk partitions...
Greetings ... Eberhard
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From: brettm@access.digex.net (Brett Michaels)
Subject: Mouse Install Help
Date: 8 Sep 1993 23:20:41 -0400
Where is the best place to find info on Mouses and Linux. The FAQs I've
seen don talk about it at all, and I have never even seen install info.
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From: brettm@access.digex.net (Brett Michaels)
Subject: Multimedia
Date: 8 Sep 1993 23:23:23 -0400
I understand what can be done with CD Players and Sound Cards under DOS,
Sun, MS Windows, etc. What can Linux do? Any FAQs or other sources?
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From: manuel@engc.bu.edu (manuel Toledo-Quinones)
Subject: gcc is swapping to disk all the time!
Date: 9 Sep 1993 03:22:04 GMT
Hi!
I just sucessfully installed linux in my pc. Thinks seem to be working
well. However, when I tried to compile a program using gcc, the compiler
starts swaping to disk and takes forever (10min+; actaully I abort the
compilation because it was taking too long). The source code for the
program takes about 60kbytes of disk space, and my computer have 4Mbytes
of memory. I compiled the same source using djgpp under dos without
problems.
Is this situation normal, or do you think something is wrong in the
setup? Can I do something to improve the situation? Any help will be
greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
manuel
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From: bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan)
Subject: Xircom pocket adapter
Date: 9 Sep 1993 03:41:41 GMT
I am running .99p12 kernel and I see that it's looking for a
d-link pocked adapter on the parallel port. I have a Xircom
parallel port eth. adapter that I would like (love) to use.
Does anyone know of a patch to get this little creature
running?
Thanks,
--
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
$ Department of Death by Engineering ^ Surgeon General's Warning: $
$ Michigan State University ^ Graduate School may cause brain $
$ bilan@cps.msu.edu ^ damage and sporadic loss of hair $
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From: bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan)
Subject: Compiling a man page
Date: 9 Sep 1993 03:53:40 GMT
I know this is a stupid question but how does one compile
a man page? Is it the groff command or something like
that. I can't seem to get it right...
Tom Bilan
--
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
$ Department of Death by Engineering ^ Surgeon General's Warning: $
$ Michigan State University ^ Graduate School may cause brain $
$ bilan@cps.msu.edu ^ damage and sporadic loss of hair $
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From: spj@ukelele.gcr.com (Guru Aleph_Null)
Subject: Re: BBS package
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 03:22:18 GMT
accsah@vaxa.hofstra.edu (DEATH TO THE CLIPPER PROJECT) writes:
>In article <1993Sep7.062330.10506@black.toppoint.de>, kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) writes:
>> IMHO a BBS setup for UNIX should consist mainly of two parts.
>>
>> The first is the BBS program in form of a users shell with
>> integrated news and mail users agent. Such a program should
>> utilize native UNIX news and mail transport agents and not try
>> to implement a propietary data format.
>The only problem I see with that is it defeats the purpose of the BBS.
>If a person chooses to run a BBS for UNIX, it's usually because they don't
>want the people to get a shell, and also for ease of use. Many people are
>accustomed to a 'BBS' type interface, and not to a UNIX shell.
Its not a Unix shell, its a "BBS-Shell".. (which is what I'm working
on, user logins exec a perl script instead of a shell... by the way,
work was slowed down since I upgraded to SLS 1.03, and a 1M TVGA8900CL
card... :))
>A BBS allows the SysAdmin to give people an easy interface where they don't
>have to be bothered with accounts, and other functions.
This is a problem, I haven't figured out an easy way for the BBS to
create new accounts on the fly. I guess it may have to do something
like check for a specific login name or something. That's something to
look into, in the future.
>================================================================================
>Steven Henry | Linux - The internet operating system
>Electrical Engineering | PowerPC - The future of computers
>accsah@vaxc.hofstra.edu |
>egg2sah@vaxc.hofstra.edu | Information is power. Power is information.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Good sig. :)
> ******** DEATH TO THE CLIPPER PROJECT *******
What's the clipper project? Is that the thinly veilled "sekret"
encryption chip?
--
=========================================================================
Simon "Guru Aleph-Null" Janes |... don't crespt the weasal ...
<spj@ukelele.gcr.com> |... just think of the master ...
|... feel the grass, softly ...
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
Subject: Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS?
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 03:59:39 GMT
In <2C8E9252.3016@news.service.uci.edu> jstern@aris.ss.uci.edu (Jeff Stern) writes:
>In article <1993Sep8.132552.5718@mkseast.alt.ns.ca>,
>Dale Gass <dale@mkseast.alt.ns.ca> wrote:
>>iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>>>In article <chmae.747045462@guug.de> chmae@guug.de (Christoph Maethner) writes:
>>>>I don't think I will ever need a 486 , I would perfer more RAM.
>>>I'd second this comment. With 8 users doing user like things you
>>>tend to hit the IDE disk performance limit and memory limits way before
>>>you hit CPU usage limits.
>Wouldn't this, however, be an argument *for* getting a 486? I am just
>wondering, as I have heard that UNIX on a 486 should conceivably run
>better because the 486's hardware, especially if it has a local bus,
>accesses peripherals, especially the hard drive, much more
>efficiently, so that users are not as affected by others using the
>drive...
No matter how fast the drive and controller, RAM will always be
faster.
--
==============================================================================
Michael L. VanLoon Project Vincent Systems Staff
michaelv@iastate.edu Iowa State University Computation Center
==============================================================================
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From: paulgc@sad.hp.com (Paul Christensen X3073)
Subject: Linux-Amiga
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 01:07:24 GMT
Can some kind amiga-type soul tell me if the Linux for amiga that I see on
the nets is getting close to the level of completness that the PC Linux is at?
Thanks
paulgc@hpsad.sad.hp.com
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From: mattr@h4snap.melpar.esys.com (Matt Richmond)
Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 17:49:28 GMT
One can get the evaluation copy of NeXTStep/486 for $300. This is the
user's AND developer's versions. Quite a bargain IMHO. (Tho not as
big a bargain as Linux :-) The catch is that this eval version cannot
ever be upgraded, but still for a $300 price tag, maybe it's worth a
look. NeXT's phone # is 1-800-879-6398. I do not work for them nor am
I in any way associated with them. Heck, I don't even own the software
yet. Just thought others would like to know.
--Matt Richmond
--
The opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not reflect
those of E-Systems, Melpar.
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From: karl@shell.portal.com (Karl Paul Mueller)
Subject: Re: Xircom pocket adapter
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:26:08 GMT
bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan) writes:
>I am running .99p12 kernel and I see that it's looking for a
>d-link pocked adapter on the parallel port. I have a Xircom
>parallel port eth. adapter that I would like (love) to use.
>Does anyone know of a patch to get this little creature
>running?
>Thanks,
[SIG removed]
We've just gotten Xircoms at our dorm (like 2 days ago) at
UIUC. Unfortunatly, even after the ifconfig shows it all right the
routering configuration just won't work. plip0 (or 1 on most other
machines) just doesn't want to connect to our router. For example,
on one of the machines we have isr0041 (domain urh.uiuc.edu), the boot will
ifconfig plip0 128.174.30.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 128.174.30.255
but for the life of me, we can't get the IP packets to work right.
The gateway is 128.174.30.1 and the net is 128.174.30.0...
Is it just that Xircom adaptors are too lame to work? We've had
routing problems with pl12 with other cards too..
Any help would be appreciated.
Karl Mueller
karl@shell.portal.com
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From: elliottm@csulb.edu (Mike Elliott)
Subject: Re: Compiling a man page
Date: 9 Sep 1993 06:31:49 GMT
In article <26m9c4$o3r@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan) writes:
I know this is a stupid question but how does one compile
a man page? Is it the groff command or something like
that. I can't seem to get it right...
Try specifying -Tascii -man as command line options; e.g., to see the man
page corresponding to doofus.1 type:
groff -Tascii -man doofus.1
--
======================================================================
Mike Elliott elliottm@csulb.edu
======================================================================
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
From: chmae@guug.de (Christoph Maethner)
Subject: Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS?
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 06:55:20 GMT
dale@mkseast.alt.ns.ca (Dale Gass) writes:
>iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>>In article <chmae.747045462@guug.de> chmae@guug.de (Christoph Maethner) writes:
>>>I don't think I will ever need a 486 , I would perfer more RAM.
>>I'd second this comment. With 8 users doing user like things you
>>tend to hit the IDE disk performance limit and memory limits way before
>>you hit CPU usage limits.
>The hardware floating point of a 486 (or 386/387 combo) makes a world of
>difference for floating point apps, though... The only heavy fp app I use
>is ghostscript, and it's pretty much useless on a 386 without a 387.
right - I just forgot to mention the fpu - it makes the hell of a difference .
Chris
===============================================================================
Christoph Maethner voice +49 211 990 77 81
systems engineer fax +49 211 990 75 70
Rank Xerox Germany
e-mail chmae@guug.de
mae.sbd@rxg:Xerox:com
===============================================================================
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