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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #214
From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:13:13 EDT
Linux-Activists Digest #214, Volume #6 Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: 2 IDE Drives ? (James Fidell)
xlock / gnuplot / doc hang m/c under X (Derek Jones)
[Q] PhotoCD Access ? (Ian Parkin)
can i get PPP for linux? (Thomas Niederreiter)
Setting up an Address. (Paul Trouton)
printing & BogoMips (Tim Lacy)
Re: Compiling a man page (Lars Wirzenius)
Re: printing & BogoMips (Lars Wirzenius)
Re: CL5426 graphics board? (Jerome Lacroix)
Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator? (Alan Cox)
Re: Multimedia (Alan Cox)
Re: Multimedia (Rich Mulvey)
Re: [Q] PhotoCD Access ? (Alan Cox)
Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS? ("Alex R.N. Wetmore")
Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS? (Alan Cox)
xlock under pl12 (John Fauerbach)
Re: Linux 'port to 16-bit machines?? (Markus Nullmeier)
rlogin problem (John Fauerbach)
Re: [Q] PhotoCD Access ? (Markus Nullmeier)
Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator? (Brandon S. Allbery)
Re: printing & BogoMips (Markus Nullmeier)
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From: jfid@mfltd.co.uk (James Fidell)
Subject: Re: 2 IDE Drives ?
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:38:20 GMT
In article <1993Sep8.224948.292@news.dfrf.nasa.gov>, davisrj@arts.dfrf.nasa.gov (Roy Davis) writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm just about ready to toss linux on my 386 (waiting for that new hard
> drive to get here). Looked at this group for the fist time today and saw
> something about 5-600 articles old about a problem with linux and 2 IDE
> hard drives. I was hoping to just add the new drive in as the second
> without changing the first so could somebody tell me exactly what the problem
> was. I think it had to do with using LILO to boot from the different
> partitions (something I hope to do).
I'm running 2 IDE disks off one IDE interface, and I've not had any
trouble so far. If the disks are of different makes, then you may want
to get the hard disk data file from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware -- it covers
nearly everything you could want to know about chaining two IDE drives
together. Setting master/slave links can be fun. I can e-mail you an
old copy of the file if you need it.
On the other hand, if you want to use to disks on two separate IDE cards,
then I think you need some kernel patches. I can't be sure, but I think
you'll find what you need in the ``atdisk'' package.
James.
--
"Yield to temptation -- |
it may not pass your way again" | jfid@mfltd.co.uk
|
- Lazarus Long | James Fidell
------------------------------
From: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones)
Subject: xlock / gnuplot / doc hang m/c under X
Date: 9 Sep 1993 04:50:31 -0400
Reply-To: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones)
I have gnuplot running fine. It works in dumb terminal mode, - I can
run through the whole of all.demo just fine. When I run it under X, it
hangs my machine when it gets to the second sync function example.
The machine continues to sync (sorry for the confusion) the disk OK, so
I actually haven't lost any data (yet) by resetting.
What's worse (in a sense) is that the X screensavers do it too 8-( .
(doc also does it, - I mentioned this in a previous posting but no-one
replied...)
After some time when they've been running happily, - hang. -> RESET!
Running: 386DX 20MHz 8Mb mem, ULSI 387 Co-pro (I did wonder if it was
this....?) Slackware, pl12 + Linus' patch kernel, IDE drivers in, SLIP in.
I'm quite prepared to re-build the kernel with some alteration, - no
problem since I've done it several times. Or, is it a shared library problem
or some such? (I went straight for the Slackware pl12a dist'n then to the pl12
kernel some days later and then applied Linus' patch. I've added SLIP since
and taken out SCSI support for the time being.)
Help?
Keep up the very good work everyone!
Derek
--
Derek Jones.
System Manager.
A.I. Vision Research Unit, Sheffield University, Western Bank,
Sheffield. S10 2TN. U.K.
Tel: (+44) (0)742 826551 email: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk
FAX: (+44) (0)742 766515
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From: iparkin@iris.bt.co.uk (Ian Parkin)
Subject: [Q] PhotoCD Access ?
Reply-To: iparkin@iris.bt.co.uk
Date: 09 Sep 93 10:06:13 GMT
Is anyone accessing Kodak PhotCD's from linux ?
Any alpha/beta drivers available ?
IAP
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From: p7003ad@sun3.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Thomas Niederreiter)
Subject: can i get PPP for linux?
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:37:59 GMT
Hi all!
Is anybody out there you is running PPP with linux?
I am just searching where I can the sources or binaries for
ppp.
I hope someone can tell me where to find them.
Thanx in advance,
Thomas Niederreiter
=====================================================================
| Thomas Niederreiter |
| alias HOR (It's not a bug, It's a feature) |
| EMAIL: |
| p7003ad@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de |
=====================================================================
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From: ptrouton@bfsec.bt.co.uk (Paul Trouton)
Subject: Setting up an Address.
Reply-To: ptrouton@bfsec.bt.co.uk
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:33:09 GMT
I am running Linux at home on a 486. I have access through work to Email and Internet
News. I love these two services very much and am afraid of loosing them if I changed my job. For this reason I am considering buying a modem and working from home. My idea
is this. If I was allowed to keep my account at work, could I forward my mail and news to home. Should I do this by simply downloading mail etc at night, or would it be better to put in a line, with a modem and keep it on line.
Is there such a thing as a modem that I can leave on and that will store Email and other info, without the computer having to be on.
Could you reccommend a modem for use with linux at home. I need Email and internet services.
Can I get an internet number for use with FTP? is it costly? is it possible?
Can my account in work forward News to my home address? Or will I have to log into work and read news online?
If I loose my account in work, where else can I log onto to get access to internet News without having to pay a fortune for the service.
In Brief I want help on what hardware and software I need to be able to use FTP, EMAIL and Internet News facilities at home.
Thanks in advance Paul...
------------------------------
From: timla@microsoft.com (Tim Lacy)
Subject: printing & BogoMips
Date: 09 Sep 93 05:53:29 GMT
Two completely unrelated questions:
1. I have not been able to get lpr,lpd,etc to work right.
/usr/spool/lpd
/usr/spool/lp1
/dev/lp1 is linked to /dev/printer ( actually, the reverse is true )
lpd starts and stays running from my rc.local script
lpc says all is well, things get queued, no daemon present
lpc start, stop, up, down all produce expected results, except for the
'no daemon present' comment.
I have tried everything I've read here to get it to work. I can call:
print /etc/gettydefs
and ir works just fine, but nothing gets printed with
lpr /etc/gettydefs
Any more hints?
2. What is a BogoMip? My compiles ( kernel) take forever.
I have a 386DX33 with 16 Mb, two 210 Mb IDE Drives, two 10 Mb swaps.
And of course, '5.86 BogoMips' - is this a reasonable number?
Thanks,
--Tim
<timla@microsoft.com>
<timla@cyberspace.com>
------------------------------
From: wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Compiling a man page
Date: 9 Sep 93 11:30:43 GMT
elliottm@csulb.edu (Mike Elliott) writes:
> Try specifying -Tascii -man as command line options;
Exactly. In case anyone misses the obvious, if you look at
uninstalled man pages a lot, the following script comes in handy:
#!/bin/sh
groff -Tascii -man $* | less
(a real masterpiece of software engineering :-)
I call my copy manroff.
--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
------------------------------
From: wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: printing & BogoMips
Date: 9 Sep 1993 14:45:14 +0300
timla@microsoft.com (Tim Lacy) writes:
> 2. What is a BogoMip?
MIPS is short for Millions of Instructions Per Second. It is a
measure for the computation speed of a program. Like most such
measures, it is more often abused than used properly (it is very
difficult to justly compare MIPS for different kinds of computers).
BogoMips are Linus's invention. The kernel (or was it a device
driver?) needs a timing loop (the time is too short and/or needs to be
too exact for a non-busy-loop method of waiting), which must be
calibrated to the processor speed of the machine. Hence, the kernel
measures at boot time how fast a certain kind of busy loop runs on a
computer. "Bogo" comes from "bogus", i.e, something which is a fake.
(See the Jargon File for more information.) Hence, the BogoMips value
gives some indication of the processor speed, but it is way too
unscientific to be called anything but BogoMips.
The reasons (there are two) it is printed during bootup is that a) it
is slightly useful for debugging and for checking that the computers
caches and turbo button work, and b) Linus loves to chuckle when he
sees confused people on the news.
> My compiles ( kernel) take forever. I have a 386DX33 with 16 Mb,
> two 210 Mb IDE Drives, two 10 Mb swaps. And of course, '5.86
> BogoMips' - is this a reasonable number?
My machine is 386DX33, 8 MB, 64 kB memory cache, 109 MB IDE, 12 MB
swap partition, about 5.99 BogoMips. I think your BogoMips sound
reasonable.
What is "forever"? My kernel compiles take around 20 min (depending
on configuration options), when not running anything else (i.e., no
X). If yours are significantly slower, there might be something wrong
in your setup. Are your swaps files or partitions? Partitions are
much faster.
--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
------------------------------
From: ah379@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jerome Lacroix)
Subject: Re: CL5426 graphics board?
Reply-To: ah379@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jerome Lacroix)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:00:18 GMT
In a previous article, smp@solaria.mil.wi.us (Steven M. Palm) says:
>I just got a CL5426 graphics card. I believe the chipset is a Cyrix
>chipset. Does anyone know if this is supported in Linux for X?
>
>Thanks one and all.
According to Linux Systems Labs. (1-800-705-7383), Linux is supposed to
support the CL-GD54xx series video cards by Cirrus Logic.
Regards,
Jerome Lacroix
ah379@freenet.carleton.ca
--
------------------------------
From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator?
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:58:14 GMT
In article <1993Sep8.161642.21708@amoco.com> zjoc01@hou.amoco.com writes:
>It may not be Linux, but even the vernible COCO from Radio $hark has run
>OS9 (a Unix clone) for years...
OS9 is _not_ a Unix clone. OS9 is a small very neat modular real time OS.
It just happens to be a nice multi-user environment on tiny computers too.
We must also not forget UZI on CP/M systems.
Alan
iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Multimedia
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:34:54 GMT
In article <26m7jb$nol@access.digex.net> brettm@access.digex.net (Brett Michaels) writes:
>I understand what can be done with CD Players and Sound Cards under DOS,
>Sun, MS Windows, etc. What can Linux do? Any FAQs or other sources?
>
Linux supports most common sound cards and several CD-ROM drives (like the
Mitsumi). There are programs like workman for playing audio CD's. THere is
also an MPEG player (mpeg_play) available for X windows, although this likes
a fast video card, a fastish computer and preferably the X server reconfigured
for shared memory buffer support. The mpeg player doesn't yet support combined
audio/video playing.
Unlike MS-Windows Linux supports tcp/ip based network audio - so you can play
sounds from remote hosts (rplay) and you can play mpeg movies across the network
(clobbers the network bandwidth 8-)).
It's not yet a nice integrated piece but the bits are all there.
Alan
------------------------------
From: rich@mulvey.com (Rich Mulvey)
Subject: Re: Multimedia
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:30:32 EDT
brettm@access.digex.net (Brett Michaels) writes:
> I understand what can be done with CD Players and Sound Cards under DOS,
> Sun, MS Windows, etc. What can Linux do? Any FAQs or other sources?
>
As in my previous note, it depends on the app. Give us specifics, and
we can give you answers. :-)
- Rich
--
Rich Mulvey Amateur Radio: N2VDS 787 Elmwood Terrace
rich@mulvey.com Rochester, NY 14620
------------------------------
From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: [Q] PhotoCD Access ?
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:38:28 GMT
Its probably worth answering this as an article rather than by mail
PhotoCD is an unpublished secret format protected in the US by countless
software patents and squads of lawyers. There is nothing actually special
about reading photo-cd disks so long as you have a multi-session cd-rom.
Unfortunately to produce photo-cd software you have to license it all and
sign an NDA.
Now as it happens if you look on alt.sources archives you'll find a
preproduction photo-cd reader for various systems, which should port
to Linux.
Alan
iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: "Alex R.N. Wetmore" <aw2t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.misc,comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS?
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:52:55 -0400
Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.386bsd.misc: 9-Sep-93 Re: What are the
various PC.. by Jeff Stern@aris.ss.uci.e
> Wouldn't this, however, be an argument *for* getting a 486? I am just
> wondering, as I have heard that UNIX on a 486 should conceivably run
> better because the 486's hardware, especially if it has a local bus,
> accesses peripherals, especially the hard drive, much more
> efficiently, so that users are not as affected by others using the
> drive...
The hardware is pretty much the same as on 386 systems (which is why a
lot of motherboards let you plug in a 386 or 486 these days). Local bus
should speed up disk access (esp with scsi) and video access, but you
can get local bus for 386 machines as well.
I agree with the above statement that you really don't need a 486 (I
used to run bsd on a 386dx/16 with a 387 very happily, but wanted more
memory which meant buying a new motherboard, so I got a 486sx).
On the other hand with MB prices being so low these days (about a $30
difference between a 386/33 and a 486sx/25) why not just buy the 486...
alex
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS?
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:40:23 GMT
In article <2C8E9252.3016@news.service.uci.edu> jstern@aris.ss.uci.edu (Jeff Stern) writes:
>Wouldn't this, however, be an argument *for* getting a 486? I am just
>wondering, as I have heard that UNIX on a 486 should conceivably run
>better because the 486's hardware, especially if it has a local bus,
>accesses peripherals, especially the hard drive, much more
>efficiently, so that users are not as affected by others using the
>drive...
I said a 486 wasn't that vital talking on CPU grounds. I've not run a local
bus machine, but faster video card and disk driving would be a huge asset.
Yes it probably is a very good argument.
Alan
iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: fauerbac@clyde.cs.unca.edu (John Fauerbach)
Subject: xlock under pl12
Date: 9 Sep 1993 14:41:58 GMT
I upgrade to pl12 from Slackware and my xlock will not work right. It
keeps givien me an invaild password when I enter my password. Any ideas?
John Fauerbach
------------------------------
From: af8t@aixfile2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Markus Nullmeier)
Subject: Re: Linux 'port to 16-bit machines??
Date: 9 Sep 1993 15:02:36 GMT
In article <CCs502.4Mz@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Larry Doolittle (doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov) writes:
> 8088's are too slow to be useful for anything anymore. *
They may come in handy with an ethernet card and NCSA Telnet,
with reasonable speed (for an MHz 8088, that is).
> a '286 would be worth it.
A 4MB 286 might serve as an low-end X-terminal.
Some company sells a very old X11R3 server which runs
on top of Windows (-> slooow...). Any Ideas about
related freeware?
> Does gcc even support the '286?
I've been told that GCC is able to compile for 16-bit target
processors, but don't know if somebody has had worked out that
for the 8086 or 286 yet.
--
---------------------------------------------------
Markus Nullmeier af8t@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
------------------------------
From: fauerbac@clyde.cs.unca.edu (John Fauerbach)
Subject: rlogin problem
Date: 9 Sep 1993 14:47:10 GMT
Has anyone else have problems with rlogin. It works for me about half
the time and the rest of the time it gives me a "User defined signal 1"
it then runs my .cshrc and .login and exits the remote workstation. My
other problem is when I press control-c on the remote workstation, it
closes my connection. This does not happen when I telnet in. I have
had this problem since pl9 and I am currently on pl12. Any ideas out
there?
Thanks,
John Fauerbach
------------------------------
From: af8t@aixfile2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Markus Nullmeier)
Subject: Re: [Q] PhotoCD Access ?
Date: 9 Sep 1993 15:44:54 GMT
In article <1993Sep9.123828.18922@swan.pyr> Alan Cox (iiitac@swan.pyr) writes:
> Now as it happens if you look on alt.sources archives you'll find a
> preproduction photo-cd reader for various systems, which should port
> to Linux.
Is this the same pice of software written about in the
August UnixWorld by Alan Southerton (sp?) ?
--
---------------------------------------------------
Markus Nullmeier af8t@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
------------------------------
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator?
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:43:20 GMT
In article <1993Sep9.105814.6130@swan.pyr> iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>In article <1993Sep8.161642.21708@amoco.com> zjoc01@hou.amoco.com writes:
>>It may not be Linux, but even the vernible COCO from Radio $hark has run
>>OS9 (a Unix clone) for years...
>OS9 is _not_ a Unix clone. OS9 is a small very neat modular real time OS.
Everything I've heard about OS/9 indicates that it was specifically designed
to be Unix-like.
++Brandon
--
Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development." ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca
------------------------------
From: af8t@aixfile2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Markus Nullmeier)
Subject: Re: printing & BogoMips
Date: 9 Sep 1993 15:51:37 GMT
In article <26n50a$j8m@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> Lars Wirzenius (wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI) writes:
> BogoMips are Linus's invention. The kernel (or was it a device
> driver?) needs a timing loop (the time is too short and/or needs to be
> too exact for a non-busy-loop method of waiting)
The cheap QIC-80 hardware reportedly needs such strange methods of timing.
--
---------------------------------------------------
Markus Nullmeier af8t@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
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