From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sat, 11 Sep 93 20:13:06 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #221 Linux-Activists Digest #221, Volume #6 Sat, 11 Sep 93 20:13:06 EDT Contents: What can I delete? (levinson@vax.sonoma.edu) SLS wont mount /proc (LANCE RECK) Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount (Sunando Sen) [Q] Faircom c-tree Plus (denouden) need help -- what assembler to install? (Hobbes) Re: NeXTStep & Linux (Brett Person) Re: NeXTStep & Linux (Brett Person) Removing Linux (Brian Hampel) Re: BBS package (Mark Morley) How to make Linux getting logins via modem (Patrick Hoffmann) Where can I find ksh, csh, and tcsh?? (Jester) How to boot single user (Raymond Ngai) ix/MBox under Linux problem (JL Gomez) Support for arcnet cards under Linux? (john larson) Mathmatica like package for linux? (Daniel Garcia) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: What can I delete? From: levinson@vax.sonoma.edu Date: 11 Sep 93 10:48:54 -0800 I would like to know exactly which files/libraries and/or directories I can remove from my Linux system which has to do with Xwindows? I have removed Xwindows and would like to take off any other support stuff that is there cause I need my extra hard disk space for a project I am working on in school. Thanks -- Eric Levinson rcisnet2!root@moon.nbn.com | Home computer (UUCP) levinson@vax.sonoma.edu | Vax I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way (415) 883-0696 ------------------------------ From: ldr@maki.EBay.Sun.COM (LANCE RECK) Subject: SLS wont mount /proc Date: 11 Sep 1993 18:31:04 GMT Reply-To: ldr@maki.EBay.Sun.COM Hi all, I'm having problems with mounting /proc at boot time. The fstab entry is correct " /proc /proc proc defaults " but I must always hand mount /proc after boot. I am running linux on a 486/50Dx clone, 16 Mb of memory, and a A1542c with a 100 mb hard drive. Linux resides on the whole drive in one partition. I have no swap because as I understand it, the FAQ says that I do not need it with the amount of core memory I have on the system. So here are the symptoms : 1. On boot-up I get the message "mount unchecked ext2 partition" 2. In multi-user mode as root (or any user) I type df. It complains about /proc not being mounted. I mount it and df works but, it doesn't give stats on the / (sda1) partition. my fstab : /dev/sda1 ext2 defaults /proc /proc proc defaults *** The sda1 entry looks suspect but, I dont know enough about linux to know what it should look like. Also after install the /proc entry was not there...I had to enter it in. My Question - Did I screw up something during install ? Did linux screw up (i.e. is there a patch for this problem) ? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Lance. ------------------------------ From: sens@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Sunando Sen) Subject: Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 19:19:31 GMT In article <1993Sep11.104331.1@vax.sonoma.edu> levinson@vax.sonoma.edu writes: >In article , gilbert@inviso.com (Gilbert Callaghan) writes: >> In article <1993Sep8.094234.1@vax.sonoma.edu> levinson@vax.sonoma.edu writes: >>> >>>Well, I got SLS 1.01, and I have since gone from .99pl9-6 all the way to >>>.99pl12 without obtaining all of the support files. Like I said, if I use >>>shutdown now and go single user and type umount -a, it works. If I just use >>>shutdown -r now it doesnt unmount root. >> >> Shutdown runs the script '/etc/brc' which actually does the job of umounting: >> >> /etc/brc: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> echo "Unmounting Filesystems" >> umount -a >> >> and make sure it's owned by root with perms 700. > >Thanks for your information, Gilbert. I have had users from all over the world >telling me I needed utile14, but it has programs in it that are much older than >the ones I downloaded off of the ftp systems. For example, the shutdown >command has a date of last year, where the shutdown I got with my SLS package >is much newer. > >I did create a /etc/brc, but did not set the permissions on it. I will try it >and get back to you on it. > But have you tried bootutils-1.0 and svinit-2.4? I use the mount & unmount from the former and the init and shutdown from the latter. This combination seems to work. Sunando Sen ------------------------------ From: denouden@xs4all.hacktic.nl (denouden) Subject: [Q] Faircom c-tree Plus Date: 2 Sep 1993 12:57:08 GMT I am shopping for a b-tree/ISAM database management library to be used under Linux. One candidate is Faircom's c-tree Plus v6.0 D product. I have been looking for demos of applications developed with this library, but to no avail. The 'Demos' file area of the Faircom BBS is empty! So my questions are: Is anybody using c-tree Plus with linux? Any noteworthy experiences/ anecdotes/horror stories? What performance can be expected? I would very much like to play with a linux binary demo application. Failing that, a DOS demo would also be very helpful. Also, suggestions for other DBM libraries are most welcome. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: 96cat@williams.edu (Hobbes) Subject: need help -- what assembler to install? Date: 11 Sep 1993 16:20:26 -0400 I just installed SLS v1.03 and am trying to get some software (most notably pcomm) to compile.. but the package isn't distributed with an assembler! I'm running on a 80386 clone. Any ideas on what a good assembler to use would be? thanks.. ------------------------------ From: person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett Person) Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 20:26:37 GMT In article rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion) writes: >martini@tournesol.hep.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Ullrich Martini) writes: > >>hi, > >>we here a lot about running ms-windows apps on linux boxes, but there are >>much better user interfaces than windows, for example NeXT Step. this is >>why i am wondering if there are any activities to build a next-linux >>interface like wabi. >>maybe it would be sufficient to have a source-code compatibility. is it true >>that the objective-c compiler used by next is available and ported to linux? >>(heard something like that) > >>bye, ullrich > >nextssetp is, in my opinion the best OS there is. but it's hardware >requirements are just too great for intel. you'd have to have a fully >loaded comupter to even get one program running. so i doubt that anyoe >would spend all the time it owuld take to write it when few could benefit.. > > Huh? I'd say it would be worth it! What do ya mean 'too great for Intel'? Ever hear of the white hardware? All the white hardware I've seen has been Intel bassed and I hear it runs pretty well. I don't think the original poster meant that we should write NextStep for Linux, but rather a shell around X that looked like NS. Maybe call it NxS. I'd be happy with the ability to do drag and drop in a file manager. Come to think of it, I'd like a file manager. Having something that looked like NS would really boost the usability of Linux A LOT. Someone wanna work on this with me? -- Brett Person Guest Account North Dakota State University person@plains.nodak.edu || person@plains.bitnet ------------------------------ From: person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett Person) Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 20:35:12 GMT In article <1993Sep5.225916.776@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: >In article <930904.224103.9T2.rusnews.w165w@mulvey.com> rich@mulvey.com (Rich Mulvey) writes: >>rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion) writes: >>> nextssetp is, in my opinion the best OS there is. but it's hardware >>> requirements are just too great for intel. you'd have to have a fully >>> loaded comupter to even get one program running. so i doubt that anyoe >>> would spend all the time it owuld take to write it when few could benefit.. >>> >> "Too great for Intel?" Ummmm... you may be interested in knowing that >>it has been available on Intel processors for several months now... and >>in fact, since Next is no longer producing hardware, the average person >>is likely to see it *only* on Intel machines... :-) > >Which doesn't change the fact that it rivals NT for hardware requirements to >run it.... > >++Brandon Yeah, but With NextStep at least i get an operating system worthy of the hardware requirements. NT is really a damn bust. I saw NT on discount shelves at a computer sale recently. Store salescritter said he wasn't seliing any of them! Its been about three minutes since my last post on this subject, and I'm getting more and more serious about doing something that looks like nextstep. Anyone else interested? -- Brett Person Guest Account North Dakota State University person@plains.nodak.edu || person@plains.bitnet ------------------------------ From: Brian Hampel Subject: Removing Linux Date: 11 Sep 1993 17:39:35 -0400 Reply-To: STBH%MARIST.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Dear Whoever, I'm am tring to remove linux off my system. I formated my drive, and used FDISK to remove the partition. And even after all that, when I boot my machine it still says, "Uncompressing Linux" Does anyone know why? Does anyone know how to completely remove linux off my system? If so PLEASE send e-mail back to me,.. since my school is to cheep to get usenet. Anyway Thank You, Brian ------------------------------ Subject: Re: BBS package From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) Date: 11 Sep 93 12:50:22 PDT Hello all, As some of you know I've been working on developing a BBS under Linux for a while now. I thought I'd let y'all know what's new. After bringing my C based BBS up to about %70 of what I want (need) it to do, I've scratched it and started over. What I'm now writing is a new programming language called M-Script that is designed specifically for writing BBS's and or MUD's. I'm re-writing my BBS in M-Script. M-Script is an interpreted language that looks very similar to dBase. It is very tightly written and is very fast (although I don't really have anything to compare it to). The interpreter executable is only 40K, although that will grow a little bit as I add more commands, etc. Why M-Script over regular shell scripts? It's simply easier to write a BBS in M-Script. Little knowledge of UNIX and none of C is required. I also plan on porting it to DOS so that the scripts will run directly under either Unix or DOS. Also, with many Internet applications built in, you have more control over how your (usually expensive) resources are used. A prime example is FTP. In M-Script you can give your users a menu of files that are available, say, at sunsite. They can tag all the ones they want and those selections are saved (or retrieved immediately - whatever) At midnight or so a cron job can be run that retrieves all the users' files, and mails them a report of the transactions. I think you get the idea. Just some of the commands you find in M-Script include: ftpopen/ftpclose/ftpcd/ftpdir/ftpput/ftpget/etc: Built in FTP commands. mail: mail a file to someone. browse/cbrowse: Allows a user to view a file and scroll it in BOTH directions with the arrow keys, etc. The 'c' version will interpret special codes in the file to manipulate colors, embed variables, etc. The non-c version does not interpret these codes. An example line containing some of these codes might look like this: \tLWelcome to ISLAND-NET ~FIRSTNAME~! You've called ~CALLS~ time\s before. The '\tL' sets the color to yellow, the ~FIRSTNAME~ is replaced by the value of the M-Script variable FIRSTNAME. ~CALLS~ is replaced by the value of the CALLS variable. The \s will print an 's' only if the last variable printed was not equal to '1'. There are dozens of such codes that can be used. Also, variables can be left or right justified, padded, etc. For example: ~FIRSTNAME>30~ would display the value of FIRSTNAME right-justified in a 30 character space. list/clist: Allows the user to view a file in a more "traditional" manner. Kinda like the 'more' command - one screen or line at a time. Again, the 'c' version interprets codes and variables. who: Displays a list of who's on the system. You can customize the way this display looks by setting the WHOHEADER, WHOENTRY, and WHOFOOTER variables. finger: embedded finger command. Works just like the real finger. print/cprint/nprint/ncprint: Display a line of text on the user's screen. Again, the 'c' versions interpret codes. The 'n' versions do not print a CR/NL after the text, the others do. shell: shell out and run some other program. Useful if you want to run elm or tin or something... colors: turn ANSI colors on or off, or toggle the current value. pickone: allows the user to pick one value from a list of values. For example, the statement 'pickone choice Yes,No,Maybe' would display the string 'Yes' on the user's screen. When s/he presses the space bar, it changes to 'No', then to 'Maybe', then back to 'Yes', etc. When the user presses enter the current value is stored into the variable 'choice'. input: read a line of text from the user and store it in a variable. This allows full editing of the string with the arrow keys, etc. There are many many others that manipulate variables (case conversion, parsing, etc), manipulate the display (clear, cursor positioning, etc), manipulate files (delete, copy, move, rename, etc) and directories (cd, md, rd, etc). It also has commands to open a file, read from it, search it, close it, etc. There are some limited database like functions as well (I hope to expand the database commands quite a bit). For program flow M-Script currently can deal with while loops and if/elif/else statements. Nesting is not a problem. I plan on adding a switch/case command this week. I'll probably add some sort of for loop as well. Oh, you can also include another M-Script file with the "include" statement. Finally, M-Script allows you to define new procedures and call them throughout your program. You can pass arguments to procedures, and procedures can return results. The first procedure I wrote in M-Script was yesterday. I called it PrintOut. It takes a single filename as an argument. The file is displayed on the screen on what looks like one of those green and white striped computer print outs (tractor feed holes, perforated edges, etc.) The neat thing is I can call PrintOut at any time, giving any filename as an argument, and voila! I need no special codes in the file at all - it's just plain ASCII. This is just one example of what you can do with procedures. Miscellany: Every command can be abbreviated to the first 2-3 characters, supports comments (of course), some limited debugging (line echoing and statement stepping), etc. Anyway, that's all I've got so far, but in a week or two M-Script should be a pretty sophisticated language. I'm always open to ideas and constructive criticism. Questions anyone? In a week I'll be willing to give out a half dozen or so binaries of M-Script to beta-testers, if anyone's interested. Drop me a note. Mark morley@camosun.bc.ca ------------------------------ From: maddox@zelator.in-berlin.de (Patrick Hoffmann) Subject: How to make Linux getting logins via modem Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 13:56:08 GMT Hi! I've the following question: What should I do to get logins via modem. Should I use getty? Which files should I edit and with what options? -- It remains... /////Mad.M.Maddox///// (...spoken: Math-m-atics) Patrick Hoffmann (maddox@zelator.in-berlin.de) ...bye! ------------------------------ From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester) Subject: Where can I find ksh, csh, and tcsh?? Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 21:55:17 GMT I was wondering what sites would have ksh, csh, and tcsh for linux available for ftp? Jester -- For the lack of something better here, I will just leave some blank space on which to meditate, while I think of something witty. ------------------------------ From: rngai@oracle.com (Raymond Ngai) Subject: How to boot single user Date: 11 Sep 93 23:24:17 GMT Linux crashed and destroyed the hard disk partitioning table few days ago. After using a dos utility to rebuild the partitioning table I was able to start up linux (sort of). However, xdm did not came up correctly as it used to. And it messed up my screen to the extent that I couldn't do anything but reboot. I have lilo installed. Is that a way I could boot linux single user so I could try to fix the problem or at least save some of my work. Please reply to: rngai@oracle.com Thanks, Ray Ngai -- ( Raymond Ngai ) ( Senior Applications Engineer 300 Oracle Parkway, #670A ) ( Vertical Applications Division Redwood Shores, CA 94065 ) ( Oracle Corporation (415)506-3385 FAX:506-7262 ) ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc From: gomez@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu (JL Gomez) Subject: ix/MBox under Linux problem Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 22:44:11 GMT I've got the tar file for ix/MBox for Linux on sunsite.unc.edu. Fixed it up and it compiled. The problem is that I created an anonymous user id called 'bbs' so the public may dial in and use the BBS. But for some reason, ix/MBox always uses the last user name when logging in. For example, I create a 'test user' on the BBS, then when I login again via 'bbs', I get 'test user' back! Anyone successfully running ix/MBox? -- gomez@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Support for arcnet cards under Linux? From: larson@condor.stcloud.msus.edu (john larson) Date: 11 Sep 93 18:01:33 -0600 Reply-To: larson@condor.stcloud.msus.edu (john larson) Does anybody know if there is support for Arcnet cards under Linux? If so, what Arcnet cards are supported and where can i get the drivers for Linux? A faculty member from our department has a 486/33 and would like to run Linux on her PC rather than MS-DOS. We use an arcnet cabling setup and are looking for drivers and a supported arcnet card to hook her up with our Novell network. But whatever, please email any helpful information to any of the following e-mail addresses: john@ghost.mcs.stcloud.msus.edu larson@condor.stcloud.msus.edu larson@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu John Larson Network Administrator, Microcomputer Studies Saint Cloud State University St. Cloud, MN ------------------------------ From: kender@esu.edu (Daniel Garcia) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Mathmatica like package for linux? Date: 11 Sep 93 23:04:04 GMT Reply-To: kender@esu.edu Hiya alls. Like the title says, i'm looking for a Mathmatica like package for linux. Right now, i have to log into my system at school to use mathmatica, but since we only have one phone line in the dorm room, i would like to try to avoid tying up a line like that. D -- Daniel Garcia------------ooOO Kender@esu.edu OOoo--------------Comp Sci Student Coram Deo These views belong to Daniel Garcia, any flames belong to /dev/null GCS/MU d--() -p+ c++(c+) l++ u+ e+(*) m++(*) s !n h f+ !g w+ t++(--) r+ !y ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************