From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 21:13:20 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #288 Linux-Activists Digest #288, Volume #6 Tue, 5 Oct 93 21:13:20 EDT Contents: Linux news groups... (Dave Clemans) Re: FidoNet software (jschief@finbol.toppoint.de) Re: Linux news groups... (Lars Wirzenius) X hangs on exit. please help (Madhu Yellamalli) norton-like shell for unix? (Hajo Simons) request for text titles (erlermf@cnsvax.uwec.edu) Re: Problem in Printing (Savio Lam) Re: Problem in Printing (Peter Wai Kwok Lie) Problem in Printing (Chan Chi Chiu) >Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting (Gareth Bult) Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting (Gareth Bult) Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Mark_Weaver@brown.edu) problems with mounting dos partitions (Gerry Gucher) Re: any S.New Hampshire users? (Gareth Bult) Re: Linux news groups... (Andrew R. Tefft) need specs for Xconfig, for Video7 102i interlaced svga card.. (Jeff Stern) Re: What is the ftp name for wuarchive? (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) SLS 1.03 w/ ne2000 (Dick JunJei Lin) Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Chris G. Demetriou) Re: What is the ftp name for wuarchive? (Laszlo Herczeg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dclemans@$DOMAIN (Dave Clemans) Subject: Linux news groups... Date: 5 Oct 1993 15:54:01 GMT Reply-To: dave_clemans@mentorg.com I've seen a number of messages in this newsgroup saying that it should be phased out, and instead more specific newsgroups like comp.os.linux.* should be used. Has those more specific newsgroups been created net-wide? If they have, I suggest the newgrp messages got lost somewhere. None of the local sites I have access to have newgrp creation messages for linux newsgroups, other than comp.os.linux and comp.os.linux.announce. dgc ------------------------------ From: jschief@finbol.toppoint.de Subject: Re: FidoNet software Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 13:59:15 GMT ben@compsol.fidonet.org (ben elliston) writes: >Has anyone seen FidoNet-compatible mail software anywhere for Linux? >Specifically, I'm looking for a mail processor and a message reader/editor. There is one, have a look at you favourite ftpsite somewhere in ../comm/.. Sorry, I can't find my copy to give the full name. Joerg -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Joerg Schlaeger jschief@finbol.toppoint.de 24113 Kiel Tel.: ++49 431 682210 (voice) =================================================== ------------------------------ From: wirzeniu@cs.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) Subject: Re: Linux news groups... Date: 5 Oct 1993 17:55:44 GMT > [ comp.os.linux is being replaced with new groups ] > > Has those more specific newsgroups been created net-wide? Yes. > If they have, I suggest the newgrp messages got lost somewhere. None > of the local sites I have access to have newgrp creation messages > for linux newsgroups, other than comp.os.linux and comp.os.linux.announce. You should contact your news administrator. The new groups are listed in the checkgroups message, and in the list of newsgroups posted by David Lawrence. (The problem might, of course, be upstream from you; in that case you need to contact your upstream site. Iterate as needed.) > From: dclemans@$DOMAIN (Dave Clemans) There seems to be something else that is wrong on your site, as well. -- Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi) It doesn't matter who you are, it's what you do that takes you far. --Madonna ------------------------------ From: myellama@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Madhu Yellamalli) Subject: X hangs on exit. please help Date: 5 Oct 93 16:22:04 GMT I recently bought a pc GATEWAY2000 (486dx, 16mbRAM, 400MB IDE hard disk crystal scan 1572 monitor). I installed Linux on my system. Everything seems to be working fine. But I have a problem when exiting X. The faq says to exit X kill the last process started in .xinitrc which is olwm in my case. But when i kill my window manager, I am not getting back to the shell prompt. Instead my whole screen freezes with vertical stripes on it. I doesn't know what is happening.I have to reboot the system when ever this happens, which is a big pain. I even tried alt-ctrl-backspc. (I did this thinking that the X server was not killed) Even that is not working. Can somebody tell me what is happening and how to overcome this ? thank u very much, -madhu. ------------------------------ From: H.SIMONS@TEC-BOX.zer.de (Hajo Simons) Subject: norton-like shell for unix? Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1993 12:33:23 +0100 Hi folks! Does anybody know about a shell that is comparable to the "Norton Commander" running under MS-DOS? I mean a shell that makes copying, moving and purging files more comfortable. ( No, it's _not_ for me but someone else ;-) If you know such one, could you post it to h.simons@tec-box.zer.de or 100022,2450@compuserve.com or, could you point to a ftp-site and path that contains it? thanks in advance HaJo ( please only email, because I've not subscribed to this newsgroup ) ------------------------------ From: erlermf@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: request for text titles Date: 5 Oct 93 14:27:50 -0600 Please excuse if this is too off topic for some. Like many of you I am the proud user of the LINIX OS. I would like to know if anyone would recommend system administration texts that they found informative. I have looked at the FAQs and would like to know more. Again, please excuse if this information is in a FAQ, I missed that one obviously, or if this request is too off topic. Thanks in advance, -=Matthew=- -- ERLERMF@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU ERLERMF@ADAM.CS.UWEC.EDU ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: cs.forum From: lam836@cs.cuhk.hk (Savio Lam) Subject: Re: Problem in Printing Reply-To: lam836@cs.cuhk.hk Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:40:22 GMT Chan Chi Chiu (ccchan@cs.cuhk.hk) wrote: > I've just installed the GNU Emacs 19.19.1, but I have problem in using > it to print as it just feed papers out and print nothing. > The printer I use is HP Deskjet 500C. > Can anyone help? > Furthermore, is there any word processor for Linux or X-Windows which is > more powerful than Emacs? Do you mean Word Processor or Text Editor? For text editor, I think Emacs is the most powerful text editor ever made. However, if you prefer user-friendliness to powerfulness, there is a WordStar look alike text editor called joe. For word processor, there is 'doc' from the InterView package. Not as good as WinWord, but it works. There is also 'ez' from the Andrew's package. However, I think LaTeX is nice too for preparing papers or reports. Regards, Savio Lam. -- ############################################################################### # | _ # # ------------------------------- | _| |_ # # Lam Lai Yin, Savio | |_ _| # # | | | # # Internet: lam836@cs.cuhk.hk | / \ Can't live with DOS? # # Department of Computer Science | | DOS | # # Chinese University of Hong Kong | | | Try Linux... # # ------------------------------- | | | # # | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ # ############################################################################### ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: cs.forum From: wklie@cs.cuhk.hk (Peter Wai Kwok Lie) Subject: Re: Problem in Printing Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 17:06:01 GMT ccchan@cs.cuhk.hk (Chan Chi Chiu) writes: >Furthermore, is there any word processor for Linux or X-Windows which is >more powerful than Emacs? Use DESQview/X to run WordPerfect 6.0 in a DOS session. If you can tolerate low speed, start MS Windows 3.1 Standard Mode in DESQview/X, then run Lotus Ami Pro 3.01 can be even more powerful... :-O~ Best Regards, Peter Wai-Kwok Lie -- | Computer Science | Life is a harsh Role Playing Game. si | | Chinese University | I can't save/load game (undo) or pause. | | of Hong Kong | Cheating in RPG leads to quick success. | | wklie@cs.cuhk.hk | Cheating in Life leads to tragedy. gh | ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: cs.forum From: ccchan@cs.cuhk.hk (Chan Chi Chiu) Subject: Problem in Printing Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:08:23 GMT I've just installed the GNU Emacs 19.19.1, but I have problem in using it to print as it just feed papers out and print nothing. The printer I use is HP Deskjet 500C. Can anyone help? Furthermore, is there any word processor for Linux or X-Windows which is more powerful than Emacs? Thanks in advanced. Charles, ccchan@cs.cuhk.hk ------------------------------ From: gareth@gblinux.demon.co.uk (Gareth Bult) Subject: >Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 11:46:38 GMT On 4 Oct 93 14:24:06 GMT; ----Roland Kwee (rkwee@ursula.ee.pdx.edu) said: >In fact, I am not very happy with the Yggdrasil CD. As a CD, it is >expensive to produce an update, and the Yggdrasil is patchlevel 5 or 7, >while the newest Linux version is pl 13. Probably we are better off >with a bigger hard disk and the newest version from SLS or downloaded >from the net. E.g., Yggdrasils linux does not recognize ext2 file systems. The latest Yggdrasil CD is available with pl13. I presently costs $25. ------------------------------ From: gareth@gblinux.demon.co.uk (Gareth Bult) Subject: Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 11:50:45 GMT On 2 Oct 1993 16:53:16 GMT; ----Frederick J. Goodrum (frgoodrum@delphi.com) said: > >I purchased Yggdrasil CDROM and am trying to install linux in the >cd_dependent mode (my hard drive is to small for the other versions) >I Cannot boot from the hard drive however as the kernel (sic?) cannot find >my CDROM. Which version of the CD? There are 2 usual causes; 1) You do not have your CD on the correct hardware settings. you need base address 300 and IRQ 5 by default. 2) Newer drives have nasty firmware that breaks the driver. If you only have boot floppy rev B, you need rev C. >According to the online doc I have to recompile linux setting the ISO-9660 >flag. The is great if I can fit the sources on my pc. but according to the >doc that ain't gonna happen. This sounds like a chicken and egg problem. >question: Is there a minimal group of source files I can copy to my hard >drive to perform the recompile? >Should I request an updated CDROM (I thought the floppies and the CD >would be in sync)? >Thanks in advance The ISO9660 filesystem is compiled into the yggdrasil kernel when you get it.. otherwise you could never load the thing could you? :) Gareth. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc From: Mark_Weaver@brown.edu Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 21:59:19 GMT In article <2CB12A8D.17397@news.service.uci.edu> jstern@aris.ss.uci.edu (Jeff Stern) writes: > These are two different dhrystone benchmarks, and a dhampstone > benchmark which I compiled both under gcc (without optimization) on > each system. To be fair, I can't remember which gcc I was running on ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > the 386bsd system, the one on linux is 2.4.5. The version of bsd I > had was 0.1, of course, with a few patches. Linux here is SLS > 0.99.12/1.03. My box is a 386-33 Micronics with 8MB ram and 64K > cache, no wait states, and a co-processor (for what it's worth). > Also, for what it's worth, each compile had different problems which I > pragmatically hacked, having to do with conflicts with the libraries > on previous declarations. i can explain each of these if anyone wanted > to get into it.. You you were running gcc version 1 (the default that comes with 386bsd 0.1) then that explains it. gcc2 has a significantly better optimizer that could easily explain this kind of speed difference. Mark -- ==================================================================== Email: Mark_Weaver@brown.edu | Brown University PGP Key: finger mhw@cs.brown.edu | Dept of Computer Science ------------------------------ From: gegu@zurich.spectrospin.ch (Gerry Gucher) Subject: problems with mounting dos partitions Date: 5 Oct 93 21:51:03 GMT Hello Linuxers, I have 2 problems with mounting msdos partitions under linux. 1) I have my msdos harddisk partition automatically mounted at boot time as /c with the following fstab entry: /dev/sda2 /c msdos defaults things are almost fine, except that all files and directories on /c belong to user root, group root and have permissions rwxr-xr-x, which means I cannot create or modify any files on the dos partition as a regular user. I tried to give 'loose' permissions to the mount point (/c) to the device (/dev/sda2), I explicitely specified 'w' as mounting option, all to no avail. Is there a way to automatically mount the partition at boot time with rw permissions on the files ? I imagine writing a C program with owner me and 'setuid' bit set, which is called by the boot script and mounts the disk would probably work, because when I mount manually, the permissions are all right. But I find this an ugly hack and wonder if there is another way to do it. 2) I also want to have the disk drives in the fstab file, so I don't have to specify the whole "mount -t msdos /dev/fd...... /a" command to mount a file. The problem is that I don't want to mount the floppies when booting. I tried /dev/fd0H1440 /a msdos noauto,default /dev/fd1h1200 /b msdos noauto,default This properly prevents the floppies to be mounted at boot time, but unfortunately a simple 'mount /a' does not work either. What can I do except writing a 'setuid' program that does the work ? Thanks for any hints Gerry +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Gerry Gucher gegu@spectrospin.ch | | Spectrospin AG, Industriestr 26, 8117 Faellanden Switzerland | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | A program that returns the wrong | There is nothing wrong with | | result twice as fast is infinitely | making mistakes, but make | | slower. - H. Spencer | new ones. - D.Sim | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: gareth@gblinux.demon.co.uk (Gareth Bult) Subject: Re: any S.New Hampshire users? Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 23:08:38 GMT Pointless. A set up demo can make it look as good or BETTER than any Unix workstation. It runs the same software as other Unix workstations, and based on the performance I get and benchmark results of other systems, it out performs most (if not all) other PC Unixes. ------------------------------ From: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Subject: Re: Linux news groups... Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 22:52:49 GMT >From: dclemans@$DOMAIN (Dave Clemans) >Reply-To: dave_clemans@mentorg.com > >Has those more specific newsgroups been created net-wide? Yes, quite a while ago. >If they have, I suggest the newgrp messages got lost somewhere. None >of the local sites I have access to have newgrp creation messages >for linux newsgroups, other than comp.os.linux and comp.os.linux.announce. Many many sites have all the new groups. Some are set up so that newgrp messages get forwarded to a person, who may or may not have time to create the groups. Anyway, judging by your From: header line (above), I would say your particular news installation needs a bit of work :-) Seriously though, ask your news administrator to fix your From: header and create the new groups. He can check the official group listings from news.* if he doesn't believe you (or you can make it easy on him and grep out the relevant info for him -- it should even still be in the "currently active votes" periodic posting. -- Andy Tefft - new, expanded .sig - teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com ------------------------------ From: jstern@aris.ss.uci.edu (Jeff Stern) Subject: need specs for Xconfig, for Video7 102i interlaced svga card.. Date: 5 Oct 93 22:03:03 GMT Didn't see any for this card in vga.dbase, so if anyone's got 'em, would you please forward them? Thanks.. =========================================================================== Jeff Stern "Timex Sinclair UNIX.. coming soon to a dealer near you." =========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) Subject: Re: What is the ftp name for wuarchive? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 00:10:59 GMT In article <1993Oct5.043537.20485@cdf.toronto.edu> a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) writes: >I used to use a ftp site before called wuarchive.xxxx.edu. >Does anybody know what the rest of the domain is in its address >(I forgot). > >Thanks, and happy new year! >-- >------------------------ >a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu >Bikram Dhaliwal >(416) 845-4567 Please!!! No more responses, the address is wuarchive.wustl.edu . I typed mail this morning and the list of responses scrolled off my 60 line long xterm. I want to thank all that mailed me. I would also like to apologize for posting something that apparantly has nothing to do with Linux. -- ======================== a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu Bikram Dhaliwal (416) 845-4567 ------------------------------ From: b811014@math.ntu.edu.tw (Dick JunJei Lin) Subject: SLS 1.03 w/ ne2000 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 00:39:32 GMT I've installed SLS 1.03 with my NE2000. I setup my network options via doinstall of SLS 1.03 but it dosen't work ! Does this relate to IRQ/Port setting on NE2000 ? ------------------------------ From: cgd@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou) Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd Date: 5 Oct 93 17:46:50 In article Mark_Weaver@brown.edu writes: >You you were running gcc version 1 (the default that comes with >386bsd 0.1) then that explains it. gcc2 has a significantly better >optimizer that could easily explain this kind of speed difference. geez, considering that 386bsd beat linux by a large percentage with a *poorer* optimizer, i'm not sure i want to think about with an equivalent optimizer... *chuckle* chris -- chris g. demetriou cgd@cs.berkeley.edu smarter than your average clam. ------------------------------ From: las@whome.uucp (Laszlo Herczeg) Subject: Re: What is the ftp name for wuarchive? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 00:04:53 GMT Dhaliwal Bikram Singh (a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu) wrote: : I used to use a ftp site before called wuarchive.xxxx.edu. : Does anybody know what the rest of the domain is in its address : (I forgot). : Thanks, and happy new year! : -- : ------------------------ : a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu The address is: wuarchive.wustl.edu Please refrain from asking non-Linux specific questions in this newsgroup if you can help it. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************