From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 16:13:11 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #298 Linux-Activists Digest #298, Volume #6 Fri, 8 Oct 93 16:13:11 EDT Contents: Re: TokenRing card support? -- NO (Alan Cox) Re: Novell under Linux (Alan Cox) Re: Good serial communication package wanted. (Tom Reynolds) WANTED: BBS for Linux (Matthew S. Bailey) Re: NetBSD TCP/IP network benchmarks (Jaye Mathisen) Re: WANTED: BBS for Linux (Topic-Administrator for tcl (Bernd Kratz)) Which distribution? SLS/Slackware/mcc (James Bonfield) ? mounting a SuperStorED DOS drive in Linux ? (Mario Nascimento) LaTeX guru? (probstmj@cnsvax.uwec.edu) Re: Novell under Linux (Miquel van Smoorenburg,,,) Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin (Nan Zou) Re: How to load a Coherent cpio into Linux? (Louis J. Giliberto) XS3 for 928 (ELSA WINNER) (Gerd Grasshoff) Re: NetBSD TCP/IP network benchmarks (Chris Maeda) Re: NetBSD TCP/IP network benchmarks (Chris Maeda) Re: help: linux & wangtek en5099-24 tape (Kelly Murray) Re: norton-like shell for unix? (Tadeusz Bak) Re: what happened to Debian (Ian A Murdock) Re: Good serial communication package wanted. (Danny ter Haar) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: TokenRing card support? -- NO Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 13:56:21 GMT In article <29203e$758@nic.cerf.net> mcruse@nic.cerf.net (Mike Cruse) writes: >Donald J. Becker (becker@super.org) wrote: >: In article <93278.133414ZIYA@trmetu.bitnet>, >: Ziya Karakaya wrote: >: >Has any body used IBM TokenRing card with Linux? >: >If so I would like to hear about. > >: No, there is no token ring support in Linux. To support token ring requires >: more than only a writing a device driver, it also requires writing the source >: routing routines for token ring. Given that token ring is expensive, not It will require a device driver being written, routing code being written, changes to the bottom socket layer to support 802.2 and 802.2 based TCP/IP. Don't expect anything soon Alan ------------------------------ From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Novell under Linux Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 14:02:48 GMT In article <1993Oct7.174944.13044@super.org> becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker) writes: >In article <1993Oct7.134351.14366@kth.se>, >Mattias Olsson wrote: >>I woder if it is possible to make my Linux machine work as an Novell server >>and an Unix server at the same time. >>Is it possible and IF, how do i do it , what programs do I need ? >>If it is not possible ,could I make my Linux machine access an Novell server ? > >No, it's not possible. Novell treats the details of their protocols as a >trade secret. > The novell protocols are available from novell for various amounts. IPX is freely documented. SPX is about $1000 but I'm told Xerox SPP is identical _PLEASE_ has anyone got any freely distributable Xerox SPP code/documentation. The novell server spec costs you $15000 + royalties providing you only want to write a client, or $30000 + royalties otherwise. Needless to say the final output has to be binary only and subject to a novell license. Reading their license rules by my interpretation its also impossible for us to do because you would seem to have to bar disassembly of your final result, which is not allowed in the EEC. Bits of NCP are known, and I hope eventually enough will be known to write limited NCP support into Linux, for the moment I'm poking around at IPX, tho this will have to wait until the new network code is finished. Alan iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: treynold@vierzk.bates.scarolina.edu (Tom Reynolds) Subject: Re: Good serial communication package wanted. Date: 8 Oct 1993 15:01:30 GMT In article <1993Oct8.142554.2573@donau.et.tudelft.nl>, Antoon Frehe wrote: >Hi all, > >Is there a good serial communication package that understands >[A-z]modem protocol. I'm used to TELIX under DOS to get stuff down >via a phone line. I tried the installed KERMIT, but like under >DOS, it is so terribly slow ... > Try using kermit and then using rz/sz for file transfers. It really flies, just like Telix does. To do this, just send the file via zmodem on the remote machine, then escape to the kermit prompt, and say !rz <>/dev/cua? -- Thanx! Tom Reynolds treynold@hp800.lasalle.edu treynold@vierzk.bates.scarolina.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 01:21:59 EDT From: Matthew S. Bailey <32BDZWC@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: WANTED: BBS for Linux I am Looking for a good BBS package for linux if you know any or where I should look please let me know please include your full e-mail address in you reply's. Thanks for you time Matthew S. Bailey Mbailey@cps201.cps.cmich.edu ------------------------------ From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: NetBSD TCP/IP network benchmarks Date: 8 Oct 1993 16:06:57 GMT In article <1993Oct8.085554.9345@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, Chris Maeda wrote: > >system codebase kbytes/s > >NetBSD 0.8 BNR2 320 Well, rampant speculation might place the blame on your cards, or perhaps an outdated driver, I know David has spent a lot of time on some of the network drivers, better performance is likely. I regularly get 400+k/sec out of my cheapo DEC DEPCA card on a 386-20sx with FreeBSD, and I don't think there are enough significant differences between NetBSD 0.8 and FreeBSD for it to be attributable to the OS. -- Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager (406) 994-4780 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717 osyjm@cs.montana.edu ------------------------------ From: tam-tcl@hrz-ws26.hrz.uni-kassel.de (Topic-Administrator for tcl (Bernd Kratz)) Subject: Re: WANTED: BBS for Linux Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 16:11:50 GMT I'm interested an GOOD BBS package for linux too. I'm currently using the XBBS-package. It's not to bad, but improvable. Please mail me to ben@ws-01.iest.kassel.de ------------------------------ From: rince@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (James Bonfield) Subject: Which distribution? SLS/Slackware/mcc Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 16:23:14 GMT Hello, Can anyone tell me what the difference is between all the Linux distributions. Software versions don't bother me much - it's always possible to obtain new versions and recompile (correct?). However, as an experienced UNIX chap I need to know what is actually different - does /etc change? Do some use the sys V rc directory scheme and others BSD? Etc etc etc. Obviously, the main part of linux is the kernel - this doesn't change much other than versions I presume between the distribution. The same goes for version of X, gcc, emacs, etc. However, where do the other things come from - GNU binutils and fileutils ??? What about stuff in dev, etc, lib, usr/share, sbin etc? Anyone feel like shedding any light on the situation? Cheers, James ------------------------------ From: mario@seas.smu.edu (Mario Nascimento) Subject: ? mounting a SuperStorED DOS drive in Linux ? Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 16:16:13 GMT Hello there, Does anybody has any experience in mounting from within Linux a DOS hard drive that is compressed with SuperStor (or the like) ? I'm about to buy a biggger HD to install small but compressed DOS par- tition, my guess is that it wouldn't work as SuperStor stays in bet- ween the HD and the DOS when it is booted up, and if Linux is booted up instead then how in the hell would the compress/decompress work ? Am I missing something ? Thanks for any hint/clue/answer/whatever ... Mario. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | +------------------+ E-mail: mario@seas.smu.edu | | | MARIO Nascimento | Postal Mail: SMU Box 752165 | | +------------------+ Dallas, TX 75275-2165 USA | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: probstmj@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: LaTeX guru? Date: 8 Oct 93 11:49:57 -0600 I am trying to get my system converted over to Linux for everything but music processing. I found that I can put a very minimal DOS partition with Windoze and Finale music composition up in about 30 compressed megs. I have no need to acces this from Linux. I've tried the switch before, but haven't had much luck because of the fact that I have had a very hard time getting LaTeX working properly. Lots of the documentation for LaTeX seems to be in TeX, which doesn't help me much. THe main problems I've had are getting it to work on a data file and getting the lp daemon to work with my Epson Actionlaser II, a HP IIP semi-compatible. (Works fine with HP drivers in the 'doze!) I can't pipe the output of a DVI-to-IIP conversion to spool. So, if there's anyone out ther ewho's a LaTeX setup guru, perhaps send me your Email address so I can ask my many upcoming questions outside of this group, I don't want to waste more bandwidth than I already have. Once I can get it set up and print out a simple TeX formatted file I'll be able to figure out how to use TeX itself. I'm converting to Linux today . . . this time there's nothing that will stop me from switching permanently. ------------------------------ From: miquels@caution.cistron.nl.mugnet.org (Miquel van Smoorenburg,,,) Subject: Re: Novell under Linux Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 10:53:58 In article <1993Oct7.174944.13044@super.org> becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker) writes: >In article <1993Oct7.134351.14366@kth.se>, >Mattias Olsson wrote: >>I woder if it is possible to make my Linux machine work as an Novell server >>and an Unix server at the same time. >>Is it possible and IF, how do i do it , what programs do I need ? >>If it is not possible ,could I make my Linux machine access an Novell server ? > >No, it's not possible. Novell treats the details of their protocols as a >trade secret. > >-- > >Donald Becker becker@super.org But it _is_ possible to set up a dedicated PC running both novell and the PD SOSS server and let it gateway from NFS to novell. This way it is possible to mount the Novell drives on the Unix (Linux) client. SOSS is a PD (perhaps with some restrictions, but freely available) NFS server for DOS. It includes the PC/IP TCP/IP implementation and runs on a packet driver. I have run both a Novell client (with PDIPX, a Packet Driver IPX) and this SOSS server together successfully. Look for 'SOSS' with archie. Mike. -- | Miquel van Smoorenburg, | | Chips - the dope of the nineties. You may carry them with you, | | but they are more expensive per kilo than cocaine. | ------------------------------ From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin Date: 8 Oct 1993 01:48:59 -0500 will@oliver (Michael Will) writes: >CFC / CFI Call for Code / Call for Ideas :-) >Xsysadmin - this is what I want to write, only I think there already is >a lot of code outside? I have been thinking about this for a while too. I think it's a very good idea. In fact, when I learn a little more about C and X11 programming and when I have some free time I even plan to take it up myself. However, the scope of my program idea is a lot more narrower: it only deals with user maintainance (adding/deleting). Right now I use the add_user/delete_user program with their long and hard-to-remember command lines. A X11 interface based on either OI/OB or Tcl/Tk would be much more intuitive. It doesn't even have to be too complicated, just gather up the parameters and pass them to add_user/delete_user... Like another poster said, a curses/ncurses based interface should also be available for those not running X. >Please contact me if you are working on something similar, have done something >alike or have something stuffed away which did not work to well... >I would like to make a LinuxConfigurationtool for > - usermaintainement (incl. shadow-support) > - uucp > - smail > - cnews / tin > - internet > - cron > - printers >I do not know whether it is a good idea to put this all into one program, >especially since many people should contribute to this program - I cannot >do it all alone. I think it's quite ambitious for you to tackle all aspects of system configuration. Perhaps you should coordinate your efforts with the maintainers of these packages? -- Nan ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent From: ljg@rci.chi.il.us (Louis J. Giliberto) Subject: Re: How to load a Coherent cpio into Linux? Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 04:49:28 GMT Patrick Draper (pdrap@ctp.com) wrote: : The trouble is that I can't load it into Linux. There's a difference : between Coherent's cpio and others because I can backup and restore : a diskette that I made only with Linux in the Linux cpio format. : I purposefully used cpio to back up my stuff because the manual said : that it's more portable than tar, however, I've never had trouble with : tar before. When you backed up with cpio, hopefully you backed up with a "c" switch -- like cpio -ocv >/dev/floppy If you didn't, that may be the cause of your problems. Other than that, the only other thing I can think of is a corrupt disk and/or a corrupt backup. -Louis -- ===================================================================== Louis J. Giliberto, Jr. -- "I never met a hacker I didn't like" ===================================================================== DarkTower Software..........magus@drktowr.chi.il.us Ripco Communication, Inc....ljg@rci.chi.il.us ===================================================================== Also: magus@gagme.chi.il.us, lgilibe@mica.meddean.luc.edu ===================================================================== ------------------------------ From: grasshof@rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Gerd Grasshoff) Subject: XS3 for 928 (ELSA WINNER) Date: 8 Oct 93 17:35:20 GMT My ELSA WINNER 1000 card (s3 chip 928) doesn't work. I am sure that Xconfig is correct (It works with another card). The standard Xs3 server, latest edition, doesn't work with it. Since patches were recommended for the 928 chip, which are supposed to work in XS3-928, I installed that. Result: frozen black screen. Hard reset required. I use Xfree86 1.3. Who can help? Gerd Grasshoff Uni Hamburg ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc From: cmaeda@cs.washington.edu (Chris Maeda) Subject: Re: NetBSD TCP/IP network benchmarks Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 18:22:10 GMT In article mrs@cygnus.com (Mike Stump) writes: >In article <1993Oct8.085554.9345@beaver.cs.washington.edu> cmaeda@cs.washington.edu (Chris Maeda) writes: >> >>In article <2CB12A8D.17397@news.service.uci.edu> >>TCP throughput was measured using ttcp (anon ftp from sgi.com in >>sgi/src/ttcp) which is a 16MB one-way memory-to-memory transfer. >> >>system codebase kbytes/s >> >>NetBSD 0.8 BNR2 320 >>Mach 2.5 4.3BSD 457 >>Mach 3.0(UX server) 4.3BSD 415 >>Mach 3.0(BSDSS server) BNR2 382 >>Mach 3.0(library) BNR2 469 > >386BSD 0.1.111 <-> NetBSD 0.9 985 > >It would seem you are doing something wrong. (Maybe?) Between a >386BSD 0.1 system and a NetBSD 0.9 system, we have observed >985Kbytes/s. Contact sef@kithrup.com for details. I did and he says he got these numbers using 16bit wd8013 cards. I got my numbers using 8bit 3c503 cards. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc From: cmaeda@cs.washington.edu (Chris Maeda) Subject: Re: NetBSD TCP/IP network benchmarks Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 18:30:48 GMT In article <294371$aga@pdq.coe.montana.edu> osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) writes: >In article <1993Oct8.085554.9345@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, >Chris Maeda wrote: >> >>system codebase kbytes/s >> >>NetBSD 0.8 BNR2 320 > >Well, rampant speculation might place the blame on your cards, or perhaps >an outdated driver, I know David has spent a lot of time on some of >the network drivers, better performance is likely. The cards are probably responsible for the slow (300-400 kbyte/s) performance in general but they definitely have nothing to do with the difference between the various OS's. All my experiments were run on the same two boxes; I booted off a different partition for each OS. >I regularly get 400+k/sec out of my cheapo DEC DEPCA card on a 386-20sx >with FreeBSD, and I don't think there are enough significant differences >between NetBSD 0.8 and FreeBSD for it to be attributable to the OS. Is this card 8bit or 16 bit? ------------------------------ From: kem@prl.ufl.edu (Kelly Murray) Subject: Re: help: linux & wangtek en5099-24 tape Date: 8 Oct 1993 19:06:37 GMT In article <750019614.AA06847@csource.oz.au>, cas@csource.oz.au (Craig Sanders) writes: |> i've installed linux into a 100mb partition on my hard disk for testing, |> experimenting & configuring - when i'm happy with the way it works then it gets |> the whole disk to itself... |> |> details: |> |> wangtek en5099-24 60MB tape drive |> Wangtek PC-36 controller card (IRQ:5, DMA:1, PORT:300) |> SLS 1.03 (series a,b,c disks only) |> |> i can't get tar or mt to access the tape drive. i've recompiled the kernel to |> make sure that the qic-02 support is installed, and got rid of some of the |> stuff i didn't need (like SCSI drivers, -m486 flag etc). then i moved the old |> /zImage to /old.zImage and copied the newly compiled zImage to / |> |> i don't even see any message which could be the qic02 driver being loaded at |> boot time. |> I have this tape drive working on one of my machines (SLS 1.01). If you don't get any messages at boot time about the tape drive, then the kernel you're booting is not configured with the qic02 device driver. It sounds like you're still booting the old kernel. You need to use lilo to install it -- just creating a new /zImage won't do. You should create a new kernel on a floppy disk, and boot off the floppy first to test things out -- don't clobber your working kernel on your hard-drive until your sure it's working from the floppy. Look at the Makefile in /usr/src/linux. Hope this helps, Kelly ------------------------------ From: gcbak@cyf-kr.edu.pl (Tadeusz Bak ) Subject: Re: norton-like shell for unix? Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 19:27:18 GMT In rabe@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Matthias Rabe) writes: >In article <30.470@tec-box.zer.de>, >Hajo Simons wrote: >>Does anybody know about a shell that is comparable to the >>"Norton Commander" running under MS-DOS? >> >>I mean a shell that makes copying, moving and purging files >>more comfortable. ( No, it's _not_ for me but someone else ;-) >Please reply to this group, too. I'm a happy user of "Allegro". This programm looks and works like "Norton Commander" (one or two windows, status bar at the bottom, norton-like function keys, built-in editor, etc.). It is a commercial product, ask the author - Jaroslaw Strzalkowski ( js@uci.agh.edu.pl ) for more information. Tadeusz Bak ------------------------------ From: imurdock@shell.portal.com (Ian A Murdock) Subject: Re: what happened to Debian Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 19:28:37 GMT Cobalt Stargazer (cam@adied.oz.au) wrote: : subject says it all - what is the current status of it? It is currently in ALPHA. The second ALPHA version should be released within the next few days (after we resolve a few filesystem-related issues). : will we ever see it? You're more than welcome to join in the effort. Debian has changed quite a bit since I first announced its existence in August; it has turned into a fairly large group effort, as opposed to the "traditional" development stategy of Linux distributions (development by one individual or small group). If you want to become a part of the pre-release development or become an ALPHA/ BETA tester, then join the Debian channel of the linux-activists mailing list. If you don't know how to do that, then 'finger imurdock@sage.cc.purdue.edu' for instructions. -- Ian --- Ian Murdock | For the latest Debian Linux ------------------------------ From: danny@caution.cistron.nl.mugnet.org (Danny ter Haar) Subject: Re: Good serial communication package wanted. Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 18:23:51 In article <1993Oct8.142554.2573@donau.et.tudelft.nl> antoon@warga.et.tudelft.nl (Antoon Frehe) writes: >Hi all, > >Is there a good serial communication package that understands >[A-z]modem protocol. I'm used to TELIX under DOS to get stuff down >via a phone line. I tried the installed KERMIT, but like under >DOS, it is so terribly slow ... > Sure, try minicom current releases version is mc14g available on sunsite and tsx-11 We are currently developping version 1.5a if you can't wait get it from our public linux machine in +31-1720-42580 in /pub/linux/communication/mc1.5a.tar.gz This version includes local echo and some bug fixes ... >Thx Toon. _____ Danny -- _______________________________________________________________________ Danny ter Haar or PHILIPS DCC: combining the disadvantages of cd-rom's and tapes ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************