From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 17:13:52 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #747 Linux-Misc Digest #747, Volume #2 Mon, 12 Sep 94 17:13:52 EDT Contents: Re: Biz.comp.linux* (Alan Cox) What is a BogoMIP? (Thomas L. Fors) Re: Virus checker software for Linux. (Alan Cox) Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Alan Cox) Re: Smallest Linux Distribution (John Verzani) Mosaic doesn't work?! (Kenneth Holmlund) Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's (Lasermoon Info Desk) Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs (J.J. Paijmans) Spea V7 Mercury 64 PCI (Riza the Great) Re: DOOM linux with TERM (Damian Frank) Re: Virus checker software for Linux. (Corey Brenner) Re: Ultrastore 34F vs Adaptec 1542CF (Dragon Fly) Re: Copyright and licensing - a plea to software authors (Jim Goddard) Re: DTC SCSI driver for Linux? (Colin J. Dunn) Time Screws up w/ Linux (Vaughn Adams) Re: What is a BogoMIP? (Greg Cisko) Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect. (Miguel de Icaza) Re: Slow curses - is there a better/faster curses? (Kai Petzke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: biz.config From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Biz.comp.linux* Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 16:19:09 GMT In article <34sqeo$hd6@kelly.teleport.com> spire@teleport.com (Steve Wicke) writes: >The reasoning I have for wanting to start a biz.* heirachy for linux is >that there are commercial vendors now addresses the need for >professional Linux support. Professional support costs money...ie; is >commercial and people on the net (including myself) have a tendacy to be >a little snide towards commercial posts in non commercial areas. I would Well I'd certain back the idea. Alan -- ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' ------------------------------ From: tfors@MCS.COM (Thomas L. Fors) Subject: What is a BogoMIP? Date: 12 Sep 1994 09:45:14 -0500 I am brand new to Linux (just installed it this weekend) and was wondering what the heck a BogoMIP is? I couldn't find an answer to this anywhere else. Thanks. Thomas L. Fors tfors@mcs.com ------------------------------ From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Virus checker software for Linux. Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 16:06:49 GMT In article jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) writes: >With other Uni*es, they have usually been owned by companies/universities >who have MONEY - and therefore had heaps of disk/resources to spare - so >it's quite practical to compile all your own stuff. Try compiling >XFree-2.2.1 on a 120Mb HDD :-) It just isn't practical to compile >everything yourself on such "boutique" systems as most of us own. > >Me, I'm happy to accept the risk, as we have seen with the likes of wuftp >- you can't even trust source code these days... > I'm going to start signing the Net-Tools stuff with PGP. I'd like to urge the other main developers like Xfree86, Florian, the Debian people etc to do the same. Alan -- ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' ------------------------------ From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 16:15:07 GMT In article orc@pell.com (Orc) writes: >In article <1994Sep8.142206.18896@cs.cornell.edu>, >Matt Welsh wrote: >>RMS's idea (which I have heard first-hand) is that Linux systems >>should be considered GNU systems with Linux as the kernel. > Well, that certainly puts a new twist on the GPL. An unpleasant >one; GPLing things makes them part of the GNU project. Chuckle.. poor Mr Stallman I guess the Linux community will have to absorb him rather than the reverse. >>Why shouldn't GNU receive recognition for this? > No reason. But since my first interpretation of RMS's idea is >that the FSF will take credit for work they've not done, it seems >like it's not the most politic way to ask for recognition. RMS is RMS. He can think what he likes. Do you think anyone cares ? I don't see what the difference between GNU using Linux and anyone else using Linux is apart from its more good publicity for us and makes their hurd project look rather silly 8) Alan -- ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' ------------------------------ From: verzani@ionesco.math.washington.edu (John Verzani) Subject: Re: Smallest Linux Distribution Date: 12 Sep 1994 16:17:20 GMT A really small Linux distribution that has a minimal amount of basics is the Milieu distribution at tsx-11.mit.edu in pub/linux/packages/TeX/Milieu. It doesn't have nearly the overhead that the larger distributions do which can be a blessing or a curse, but certainly will teach you about UNIX as you go along. John ------------------------------ From: holmlund@minerva.tp.umu.se (Kenneth Holmlund) Subject: Mosaic doesn't work?! Date: 12 Sep 1994 17:49:42 GMT Reply-To: holmlund@tp.umu.se I have just fetched mosaic2.4 from sunsite but it doesn't work properly. The window pops up but goes away immediately and the stderr shows a message that "Connect" wasn't found. What's the problem ? Please answer by email since this probably is a FAQ that other readers are bored with... Thanks, Kenneth Holmlund _____________________________________________________________________ //-------------------------------------------------------------------\\ || Kenneth Holmlund email: holmlund@tp.umu.se || || Theoretical Physics Division phone: +46-(0)90-167717 || || Umea University fax: +46-(0)90-166673 || || S-901 87 Umea || || Sweden || || || || Home: || || Mariehemsvägen 21G phone: +46-(0)90-118911 || || S-906 63 Umeå || || Sweden || \\-------------------------------------------------------------------// \___________________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ From: info@lasermoon.co.uk (Lasermoon Info Desk) Subject: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 21:44:41 GMT Linux Recognition by Major Magazine PC-PLUS, is the first of UK's leading PC magazines to give Linux the recognition it deserves and is not only devoting editorial space but, in conjunction with Lasermoon Ltd, is also : +++ including a copy of Slackware 2.0 on the Front-Cover CD-ROM +++ The CD-ROM will appear on almost 40,000 copies!!! which for the price of the magazine probably represents the biggest ultra low-cost release of Linux anywhere in the world. PC-PLUS are to be congratulated for being the first Major to recognise the importance of Linux and also for including it on the CD-ROM. To celibrate this, Lasermoon will give a discount of 10% off the UK price of the Slackware Professional 2.0 package to anyone who can tell us the page number of the Linux article or the CD-ROM description in PC-PLUS. This offer will probably be canceled in the event that some enterprising individual posts the page numbers :-) Lasermoon Ltd, PC-PLUS 2a Beaconsfield Road, Beauford Court Fareham, 30 Monmouth Street Hants, Bath England. Avon, England PO16 0QB BA1 2BW Voice : +44 (0) 329 826444 Voice : +44 (0) 225 442244 Fax : +44 (0) 329 825936 Fax : +44 (0) 225 462098 email : info@lasermoon.co.uk email : pcplus@cix.compulink.co.uk Other than assisting with the Linux CD-ROM, Lasermoon have no other relationship with PC-Plus whatsoever. -- Info Desk - info@lasermoon.co.uk Lasermoon Ltd, 2a Beaconsfield Road, Fareham, Hants, England. PO16 0QB Voice +44 (0) 329 826444 Fax: +44 (0) 329 825936 +++ The UNIX & Linux Freeware Specialists! +++ ------------------------------ From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs Date: 12 Sep 1994 17:11:47 GMT In article <1994Sep12.072748.21256@imec.be> buytaert@imec.be (Steven Buytaert) writes: ... > Don't worry Paai, > > As I've read the doom announcement today, I learned a new expression > and this guy fits the bill perfectly. > > "He sucks demon phalluses" > > Had to get that of my chest... > > [BTW, cleaned up the newsgroup line] > > Stef > >-- >Steven Buytaert Yes: I saw that one too. The meaning is clear, but a sound translation in dutch till now escaped me "...hij pijpt duivelspikken..." No, one way or another it doesn't sound right. I *like* to suck glasses of "Duvels" though. :-) Paai. -- Copyright Hans Paijmans 1994. Niets hierboven mag geheel of gedeeltelijk worden geciteerd buiten de nieuwsgroep(en) waar het oorspronkelijk is geplaatst. Nothing of the above may be cited outside the newsgroups in which the message originally was posted. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix From: che5ari@sun.leeds.ac.uk (Riza the Great) Subject: Spea V7 Mercury 64 PCI Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 18:26:45 +0100 (BST) Does anyone have the Spea V7 Mercury 64 PCI (2Meg) working with the current version of XFree86 and linux. Thanks in advance. -- ================================================================= Ahmed Riza Department of Chemical Engineering University of Leeds LS2 9JT A.Riza@leeds.ac.uk ================================================================= ------------------------------ From: damianf@wpi.edu (Damian Frank) Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom,comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: DOOM linux with TERM Date: 12 Sep 1994 18:33:08 GMT Reply-To: damianf@wpi.edu Alan Cox (iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk) wrote: : In article mdrejhon@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Mark Rejhon) writes: : >TIA is a program that you run on the remote shell account to emulate a : >SLIP / PPP server. You simply run your Linux/unix/DOS/Windows SLIP/PPP : >software on your local end. : >It supports TCP and UDP (not ICMP). I hear that Linux DOOM uses only : >TCP and/or UDP so it should work with TIA. You can have a free : >trial of TIA. Get documents from FTP or WWW at marketplace.com .... : Why not just use TERM which is free. Because for something to work with term, it has to be recompiled. Now, since Dave Taylor didn't release the source (who can blame him?) *we* can't do this, and I kinda doubt that he'll go through the effort merely for term. Personally, I'd never heard of TIA, but it sounded quite nifty to me. -- ============================================================================ Damian Frank "Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and damianf@wpi.edu what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man." -Mark Twain ------------------------------ From: brennerc@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Corey Brenner) Subject: Re: Virus checker software for Linux. Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:59:32 GMT Phillip Hardy (phillip@mserve.kiwi.gen.nz) wrote: : bjorn@oslonett.no wrote: : : In article <34hdpf$s9g@trane.uninett.no> hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) writes: : : >I'm pretty laid-back about the threat of Unix viruses. : : 8<--------------->8 : : Would be nice to have a way to check diskettes for boot viruses, though. : : They coldn't do any real harm under Un*x, I guess, but they could : : keep spreading .. and I don't want to keep DOS around just for that ! : Errr : Hay guys. : Think... lets take for an example this idear... : ok. : virus spreads on boot floppys. : when the key gets of 0x0ff it then : looks at say 0xff00 and takes a byte. : now it writes this byte to sector 0, head 0, Cyl 0... etc etc. : and just keeps going till say sec 17, Head 4, Cyl 600 : Now how do you expect to be protected from that??? : some ppl do run dos and linux... : so it is possable for this to happen... : So if you run dos/linux/sco etc. : best bet is to run someting like scan in your dos side. : (i run a dos virus checker on my other box...) : Just my 2.5c worth... : Phill. also, if one were to make a good bbs on Linux and were to serve a DOS-based community with that bbs, a good virus scanner would be a definite bonus. (especially for the DOSabled). Corey Brenner ------------------------------ From: sviznyuk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Ultrastore 34F vs Adaptec 1542CF Date: 12 Sep 1994 16:56:35 GMT In article <34vs07$2b7@nntp.stanford.edu>, Robert Ashcroft wrote: > >How do these two boards compare for ease of setup, use, etc with Linux? Never used/owned 1542CF. I have U34F and never had any (I mean absolutely any) problems with it running Linux. You just have to set right I/O address (340 as far as I remember) with on-board jumpers. The default 330 won't work. >The 34F is a VLB board, the 1542 is ISA. Does that mean you get DMA >above 16MB on the 34F? Don't know. >I noticed something about manually having to give the disk dimensions >in the case of the 34F while reading the SCSI HOWTO. Bullshit. The only thing you need to set in U34F is I/O address. >I know that Ultrastore has gone bankrupt. Ah yeah ? I see there are a lot of Ultrastor controllers for sale in Computer Shopper.. What a pity. U-s looked like good company. >Any comments about the advisability of swapping out my 1542 for a 34F? I have heard 1542 is good too. Do not know how does it compare to U34F. >Finally, if I were to do so, would the 34F need to read the data on >my harddisk as it stands, or would I have to do a backup of everything >first and then load stuff back on? > >(of course I make backups anyway, but I'd rather not have to reload >Linux...) Hmm.. I don't get it. I'm running Linux with U34F for a year already without making any backups (stupid I know), except boot diskettes. U34F is pretty expensive though.. Cordially, Serge ------------------------------ From: jgoddard@batman.rd.qms.com (Jim Goddard) Subject: Re: Copyright and licensing - a plea to software authors Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:51:23 GMT Ian Jackson (ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: [deletion] : Some even don't come with copyright notices and permission statements : at all, which means that all the users who download and use the : program in question are in violation of the author's copyright ! [more deletion] : * Code which does not carry a copyright notice is _not_ public domain, : and people may _not_ do what they want with it. In fact, in the : absence of a statement saying what they may do or an explicit notice : saying the code is in the public domain they may not do _anything_ : with it ! [even more deletion] Have to disagree with you on these two Ian. If the code does not contain a copyright notice it is not copyrighted and you can use it at will. However the author has not lost the right to copyright the work. To copyright the work after releaseing it without a copyright notice the author has to notify the recipients. I.E. if you use it, you can't be sued (thats not quite acurate you can be sued for anything) unless you are notified that you are in copyright violation and given a chance to stop first. I don't claim to be an expert on the subject but I have reistered copyrights before and the above is MY INTERPRETATION of the copyright documentation provided by the Library of Congress. Jim ------------------------------ From: dunnc@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Colin J. Dunn) Subject: Re: DTC SCSI driver for Linux? Date: 12 Sep 94 15:02:48 GMT mwe@dfw.net writes: >DTC make a slew of controllers; you need to give a model#/name/type/etc. >the one sitting in a machine next to me works fine with Linux. > (although, i will admit that it's using "aha1452-emulation" to do it...) The last I read the Linux SCSI how-to, it said that the DTC controllers with AHA1542 emulation will work in Linux, as a clone of the AHA1542. But other DTC models that lack this emulation (such as the 3270 VL-bus controller) absolutely will not work in Linux, as DTC only provides programming information under non-disclosure (same problem as with Diamond video cards). I had to return a DTC 3270 card I bought because it was not supported under anything but DOS/Windows, and "upgrade" to an Adaptec 1522. The Adaptec 1522 (not 1542) was slower than the DTC 3270, but works in OS/2 (and supposedly Linux as well, though I haven't had the opportunity to try it yet). -- Colin Joseph Dunn (TeamOS2) dunnc@ucsub.colorado.edu .. Economists do it at bliss point. ------------------------------ From: adamsvm@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Vaughn Adams) Subject: Time Screws up w/ Linux Date: 12 Sep 1994 11:06:03 -0400 I have had this problem for a while and never bothered to resolve it. Now that I need cron, I need to get it fixd. Everytime I boot Linux, my i clock screws up. THe time is always off, but the date is ok. This doesn't happen with any other OS that I have run on the computer. I am runnin Slackware 1.2 with a couple of dirrerent kernels. it seems to be kernel independant. Any response would be appreciated. Vaughn "V1nce" Adams adamsvm@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu ------------------------------ From: cisko@d0tokensun.fnal.gov (Greg Cisko) Subject: Re: What is a BogoMIP? Date: 12 Sep 1994 15:09:35 GMT Reply-To: cisko@d0tokensun.fnal.gov In article rkq@Venus.mcs.com, tfors@MCS.COM (Thomas L. Fors) writes: > I am brand new to Linux (just installed it this weekend) and was wondering what the heck a BogoMIP is? I couldn't find an answer to this anywhere else. I would suggest reading the document BogoMips on sunsite.unc.edu. In short though, it is a number that doesn't mean very much in a multi-user system. > > Thanks. > > Thomas L. Fors > tfors@mcs.com > ------------------------------ From: miguel@sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx (Miguel de Icaza) Subject: Re: Thanks ID and ddt - Linux DOOM is perfect. Date: 12 Sep 1994 17:29:39 GMT > Almost completely unplayable on a 386/40/8. Runs 'way too slow, and _that_ > is at 320x200. Video card is an OTI-087, using an experimental accel > driver that speeds everything else up ... DOOM seemed slow when running on a 486/33. I don't have a sound card, but as soon as I removed the sndserver from the .doomrc, the speed of the program ran much faster, maybe because it was trying to use a non existant sound device. Hope this help, Miguel. ------------------------------ From: wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Kai Petzke) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: Slow curses - is there a better/faster curses? Date: 12 Sep 94 15:09:09 GMT jamesd@teleport.com (James Deibele) writes: >Console output under Linux was very quick and I'm sure X performance is >pretty good. But curses performance is a little sluggish and adding >lines near the bottom of the screen is a real killer - curses seems to >clear the screen with blank lines adds the new text. What do you mean? Elvis performance under X or elvis performance on console or curses performance under X/console? Elvis does not use curses, it has its own terminal interface. This is *very* fast on Linux the console. However, in an X-Term, scrolling is very slow when you do not have accelerated video, and that affects the insertion and deletion of lines with elvis. Kai -- Kai Petzke | How fast can computers get? Technical University of Berlin | Berlin, Germany | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek. wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de | ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************