From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:14:39 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #762 Linux-Misc Digest #762, Volume #2 Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:14:39 EDT Contents: Word Processor for Linux? (Adam Wasserman) Re: What is a BogoMIP? (Jake Colman) Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (Mark Stockton) Compaq Contura Aero (Jerod Tufte) Re: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem (Mark Stockton) Linux help manual (Bill Short) Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Alan Cox) Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's (rodrigo vanegas) Re: POSIX threads for Linux :Wanted (Marc Fraioli) Re: When can a new system-admin-guide be expected?? (James C. Graves) Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.help reorganization (Matt Welsh) tin newsreader? (Benjamin Alman) Re: Anyone have a 3c505 driver? (Alan Cox) Re: Linux DOOM is very impressive! (Alan Cox) Re: bootp problems (Alan Cox) Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's (Alan Cox) Re: DOOM (Re: 320x200 X resolution?) (Harry C Pulley) Re: Accelerated-X for Linux (Gary William Flake) What is the granularity of the Linux clock ? (Kevin Esler) Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? (Patrick J. Volkerding) Convert P5 90 -> 100 ? (Lee Wai Han) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: awasser@mtkgc.com (Adam Wasserman) Subject: Word Processor for Linux? Reply-To: awasser@mtkgc.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:12:36 GMT I'd like to obtain a word processor for linux, of the MS Word or IslandWrite variety: WYSIWIG, menu-driven, et. al. Does any of you know of such a beast? Please email me in addition to posting, particularly if you have one installed (vendor email invited as well). --- If linux had 1) a good word processor, 2) Quicken, and 3) ran my dos/windows multi-media toys, I'd wipe dos/windows off my disk completely. Assistance appreciated! ============================================================== | Adam Wasserman Sakura Global Capital awasser@mtkgc.com | ============================================================== ------------------------------ From: jcolman@lehman.com (Jake Colman) Subject: Re: What is a BogoMIP? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:16:19 GMT H. Peter Anvin (hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu) wrote: : It's one MIPS - two MIPS. Anyway. The BogoMIPS number is a : measurement of how fast your machine does absolutely nothing. So what is its relevance? -- Jake Colman email: jcolman@lehman.com Lehman Brothers, Inc. voice: (212) 526-1762 3 World Financial Center FAX : (212) 526-1411 21st Floor New York, NY 10285 ------------------------------ From: marks@schooner.sys.hou.compaq.com (Mark Stockton) Subject: Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! Reply-To: marks@schooner.sys.hou.compaq.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 00:44:05 GMT Bill West (billw@starbase.neosoft.com) wrote: : This thread started as a joke and now it is a debate over operating : systems:-) : -- : ****************************************************************************** : Bill West : Houston TX : email: billw@starbase.neosoft.com : ****************************************************************************** Yep. Someone please give Rich Hall 'net access. I think we need some new nouns and adjectives on Usenet. In his place, I'd like to present this sniglet: cybernality: n. That hidden part of a person's character that only surfaces on Usenet. -- Mark Stockton marks@schooner.sys.hou.compaq.com ------------------------------ From: jet@b62528.student.cwru.edu (Jerod Tufte) Subject: Compaq Contura Aero Date: 15 Sep 1994 01:28:12 GMT has anyone tried to run Linux on this machine? I'm thinking of getting one for light work, to complement my main linux system, and I was wondering if there were any problems with it and linux. I noticed in the bios messages that it supported the Plug-n-play standard. thanks, Jerod -- WARNING: In case of rapture, this computer will be manned. Drink Jolt!, All the sugar and twice the caffeine. PopUlating the World Check out BruceNet at http://b62528.student.cwru.edu/ "Groovy!" --Ash ****jet@b62528.student.cwru.edu <<< finger me for PGP2.5 public key***** ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions From: marks@schooner.sys.hou.compaq.com (Mark Stockton) Subject: Re: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem Reply-To: marks@schooner.sys.hou.compaq.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 00:37:55 GMT For myself and at least one other person, the fix was to upgrade to kernel 1.1.50. It's in the Incoming directory on sunsite. In my case, since my slip server itself uses a Cisco for it's default route, I also had to answer no to "Assume subnets are local". MarkS ------------------------------ From: short@csc.mc.edu (Bill Short) Subject: Linux help manual Date: 14 Sep 1994 16:48:08 -0500 Hi, I need a Linux help manual in ps or text could someone tell me where that might be or where the faq is? Thanks, William ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:52:11 GMT In article <1994Sep11.201208.22928@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes: >Those "disclaimers" don't relieve the fundamental problems that >people perceive with the GPL, namely, the fact that (a) source >mustg be provided, and (b) modifications must be copylefted as >well. Well the problem is what constitutes an interface and thats something GNU do need to clean up. There are numerous other little problems with it like any other license eg - Can BSD code be incorporated and redistributed as part of a GPL program: Specifically does the BSD license requirement for credits in the documentation etc count as an 'additional restriction' on distribution as the GPL requires there are none. If it does (as my legal info says) then you can't mix BSD with GPL and distribute the result. If it doesn't can I therefore sell software GPL'd but with a documentation requirement of must come with this expensive booklet I've written ? - How do inline functions in include files related to the GPL - What about structures from include files - When is a dynamic link a dynamic link - Interface issues. If I build a system that can use an LGPL shared library I don't have to give a damn about the LGPL - It hasn't got any gnu code in it and if people choose to plug the two together its up to them. A GPL v3 seems needed for at least one of these issues. Alan -- ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' ------------------------------ From: rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas) Subject: Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 13:08:14 GMT In article , c9219517@sage.newcastle.edu.au (Scott Howard) writes: > : Since when did FSF start demanding that distributors give this > : stuff away at cost? I was under the impression that they could > : sell it for anything they wanted. The distributor, however, could > : not control what the purchaser does with it. > From the FSF COPYING file... > b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three > years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your > cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete > machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be This only applies if the original sale did not already include a copy of the source code. The intent here is that there should be no opportunity for a company to sell a program object code (such as a binary) for a low price and then the source code for a high price so that the profit once again derives from the "restricted" access to the source code. If, however, the program is delivered in one package which includes the source code, then it may be sold at any price. The idea is simple. You can sell GPLed code, you just can't sell it without also providing ready access to its source code. If you want to distribute without the hassle of delivering megs of C files to users who usually won't care, then there is a provision (quoted above) to make life easy for you. rodrigo vanegas rv@cs.brown.edu ps. Followups to gnu.misc.discuss ------------------------------ From: mjf@clark.net (Marc Fraioli) Subject: Re: POSIX threads for Linux :Wanted Date: 13 Sep 1994 23:59:04 GMT Reply-To: mjf@clark.net There should be an implementation at rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/pthreads that compiles on Linux out of the box. Compliant with some draft or other of POSIX.4. --- Marc Fraioli | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " mjf@clark.net | - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick, | Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War ------------------------------ From: ansible@MCS.COM (James C. Graves) Subject: Re: When can a new system-admin-guide be expected?? Date: 13 Sep 1994 20:29:55 -0500 I just called O'Reilly & Associates today. The Linux Network Administrator's Guide will be delayed until December, but they are taking back orders now. The operator I talked to heard that there are plans for another book. Also highly recommended is: TCP/IP Network Administration. It has general info on the protocols, routing, name service, sendmail, and a little security. Also has a good section on troubleshooting. O'Reilly: (800) 998-9938 or order@ora.com Later Dudes, James ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: news.groups From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.help reorganization Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 13:47:20 GMT In article <357c05$cie@rodan.UU.NET> Dave Sill writes: >I recently conducted a straw poll in comp.os.linux.help Probably not the best group to conduct such a poll. > 2. Create: > comp.os.linux.answers > For posting Linux FAQs and How-To's. This will help keep the > traffic down in the c.o.l.help.* groups--only a single "Read > before posting"-type message will be required. This is what comp.os.linux.announce is for. It has been around for some time, it's moderated, and it's got a readership of over 150,000. Why on earth would you want to create another group? M. Welsh ------------------------------ From: alman@myhost.subdomain.domain (Benjamin Alman) Crossposted-To: wpi.system.linux,comp.os.linux.help Subject: tin newsreader? Date: 15 Sep 1994 13:45:18 GMT Reply-To: alman@strangiato.Res.WPI.EDU ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ look here (i think) I use tin (well, rtin) to read news here... on my own pc on the .Res subdomain... and whenever I post a message, it shows my address as alman@myhost.subdomain.domain - (of course i have gotten it so that when people reply, it works fine... but why does it display this? and how can I fix it? thanks! email any responses please! -- ============================================================================= From: Ben Alman, Internet: alman@wpi.edu, My PC: alman@strangiato.res.wpi.edu Linux 1.1.50 + XFree386-2.1.1, Slackware 2.0 on an i486 DX/2-66 with 20mb RAM It's just the age, It's just a stage, We disengage, We turn the page... -Rush ------------------------------ From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Anyone have a 3c505 driver? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:41:47 GMT In article <355ucs$ofr@maxwell11.ee> kmzoerho@mtu.edu (Forkboy) writes: >Subject says it all. Anyone have one? Know where I could find one? I've >looked on the ftp sites, and haven't found one yet. It isn't terribly >important, but I would like to be able to use my 3c505 under Linux. It's in the ALPHA test drivers in 1.1.50 - dunno how well it works 8) Alan -- ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' ------------------------------ From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Linux DOOM is very impressive! Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:45:51 GMT In article <352els$r1i@news.u.washington.edu> xyzzy@u.washington.edu (Trent Piepho) writes: >slow down when I turn on sound. I think you just have some kind of setup >problem. Does it say "using MIT-SHM" when is starts up? Whoops... now thats an embarassing oversight. Make config; make dep; make and its now playable :) Alan -- ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' ------------------------------ From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: bootp problems Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:53:53 GMT In article <1994Sep9.170830.15899@umr.edu> quandt@cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt) writes: >GeAtting the follwoing out of bootp can anyone hlep, I'm running >a slackware install upgraded to 1.1.35 of the os > >ioctl(SIOCSARP) protocol family not supported. Get the upgraded bootp from sunacm.swan.ac.uk in the Upgrades directory Alan -- ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' ------------------------------ From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:56:08 GMT In article c9219517@sage.newcastle.edu.au (Scott Howard) writes: > b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three > years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your > cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete > machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be But all the CD-ROM vendors include all the sources anyway (see section (a)) instead. Alan -- ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' ------------------------------ From: hpulley@uoguelph.ca (Harry C Pulley) Subject: Re: DOOM (Re: 320x200 X resolution?) Date: 15 Sep 1994 12:41:30 GMT Teemu Kilpivuori (teekilpi@utu.fi) wrote: : Philippe Steindl (psteindl@il.us.swissbank.com) wrote: : : > : : > Note that pixel doubling/tripling doesn't work, and sound only : : > works with a 16 bit soundcard. (Anyone want to sell one cheap? *grin*) : : Nope, that's wrong :-) There is a newer version on sunsite now, where : : pixel doubling and tripling are fixed. The 16 bit soundcard thing is true, : : though... : Not anymore. I found a package called doom_16to8bit_snd.tar.gz : (or something like that) from ftp.funet.fi:/pub/OS/Linux/Incoming : I haven't tried it yet, so I don't no if it works, but ... It works great! The sound isn't perfect and it is a bit late (but I hear that it is late on a real 16 bit card too?) but it is much better than silence. I fight a lot better when I can hear my opponents. Harry -- <:-{} hpulley@uoguelph.ca |This message released|It takes all kinds, \ Harry C. Pulley, IV |to the PUBLIC DOMAIN.|and to each his own. ==================================+=====================|This thought in mind, Stay away from the DOS side, Luke!|Un*x don't play that.|I walk alone. ------------------------------ From: flake@scr.siemens.com (Gary William Flake) Subject: Re: Accelerated-X for Linux Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 21:28:10 GMT In article , Jeremy Chatfield wrote: >X Inside Inc has a high performance X Server available for Linux. >The server is a replacement for the XFree86 Server (i.e. install >XFree86 server, fonts, clients and libs and then install >Accelerated-X Server). The server supports modern high performance >graphics accelerator chipsets, such as the Matrox MGA series, ATI >Mach 64, S3 964, Number 9 I-128, Cirrus GD5434, etc. ^^^^^^^ Actually, this is not true. We purchased the ``Accelerated'' X server from X-Inside a few weeks ago. We also purchased an ATI MACH 64 specifically because of this and other advertisements which make such claims. After working through versions 1.0 and 1.1 of the server without success, I called them back to get some technical assistance. They finally told me that a later release would fix the problem (It's not that the performance was poor -- the server never worked at all.) They promised to FedEx a working version to me ASAP. It never arrived. I called back. It was to arrive yesterday. Still nothing. Jeremy Chatfield has not returned a single phone call. Gary Anderson was great at selling me on X-Inside but has failed to produce a working product or deliver any of his promises. I am actively seeking a refund. Let the buyer beware. Regards, Gary Flake, Ph.D. -- Gary W. Flake, flake@scr.siemens.com, Phone: 609-734-3676, Fax: 609-734-6565 USPS: Siemens Corporate Research, 755 College Road East, Princeton, NJ 08540 ------------------------------ From: esler@ch.hp.com (Kevin Esler) Subject: What is the granularity of the Linux clock ? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:27:19 GMT Reply-To: Kevin Esler Can a Linux user tell me what is the length of the clock tick on Linux ? The following program, when compiled and run, will print it out: >-----------------------------------------------------------------< #include main () { printf ("%d\n", sysconf(_SC_CLK_TCK)); } >-----------------------------------------------------------------< Secondly, has anyone experimented with making the timer granularity finer ? If so, what sort of overhead is incurred ? -- Kevin Esler //hewlett-packard/cso/stg/std/mll (MA Language Lab) esler@ch.hp.com (508) 436-5979 ------------------------------ From: gonzo@magnet.mednet.net (Patrick J. Volkerding) Subject: Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? Date: 14 Sep 1994 19:55:09 GMT In article <357cir$cfv@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, Andrew Krenz wrote: >Most bang for the buck: Get a 486dx2-66, and make sure it's an AMD >cpu, not Intel. Then, get a motherboard that you can easily change the >bus speed settings, via jumpers. A friend of mine bought the above >combination for $290 (MB + CPU) at a computer show, and the AMD chip >happily cruises along at an overclocked 80mhz. He ran Doom running >demo mode for 4 days straight without a crash. His Norton SI is >152, compared with ~124 at 66mhz, annd 190 for a P5-60. However, I >heard a rumor that AMD is catching on and now calling their chips >DX2-80's, so you might want to buy soon while they're cheap. Yup, I'm doing this. I get 40.something BogoMips on it. I'm using an AMD 486DX2-66 with an SiS 486-471 VL bus motherboard. One catch. It crashes randomly unless I have the case cover off and a desk fan blowing on the motherboard. And yes, I do have a fan on the case (*and* a CPU fan), but it wasn't enough. I'd still recommend it, though. There's a hole on the case to mount a second fan, and I think once I do that the problems will clear up -- the one that came with the case is pretty weak. Pat ------------------------------ From: im_lwhab@uxmail.ust.hk (Lee Wai Han) Subject: Convert P5 90 -> 100 ? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:03:12 GMT We already heard that AMD dx2-66 can be work as dx2-80. But do anybody think/had tried to work P5 90 at frequency of 100? Or work P5 60 at frequency 66MHz? ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************