From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:13:56 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #764 Linux-Misc Digest #764, Volume #2 Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:13:56 EDT Contents: Re: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?) (dmin Frank Slootweg) Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? (David Fox) Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? (Andrew Krenz) Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem (Mihail S. Iotov) Re: Linux with WINE? New to Linux! (Arigapudi) posting HOWTOs to c.o.l.announce (rodrigo vanegas) Re: Installing a new kernel on the Slackware Boot disk! (Onno Roep) Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Joe Buck) Re: Go for Linux available! (Randy Hootman) SCSI 9 Track? (Ken Edwards) Re: Linux help manual (Randy Hootman) Re: DOSEMU0.52 problem (NJBIRDMAN) Re: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem (now about SNARL) (Howard "the Duck" Taylor) Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (Kai Petzke) Re: If GPL is true ... (Michael Will) Re: Biz.comp.linux* (Pierre Uszynski) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: franks@neth.hp.com (dmin Frank Slootweg) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 09:19:57 GMT Subject: Re: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware Disclaimer: I am no lawyer, and certainly not speaking for my employer. Mark A. Horton KA4YBR (mah@ka4ybr.com) wrote: > I certainly am no legal beagle, however it seems to me that by choosing the > path of non-support for a given environment that its software can be made to > run in (with additional non-vendor enhancements) that a company just might > be abdicating its rights to copyright protection in said environment. I do not know under which conditions WordPerfect is sold, but normally why you buy a software product, you effectively buy only a license-to-use. *If* you get media and/or documentation, then you only get those to be able to exercise your right to use to product. You "own" the media and documentation, but you are not allowed to copy them (except copying the media for backup purposes). If you return the product (for a refund), then you also return the license-to-use, so you are no longer allowed to use it. Given this, it really does not matter whether or not the copy you made is legal, you are not allowed to use it any longer. ------------------------------ From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Subject: Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? Date: 13 Sep 1994 23:59:10 GMT Here's an interesting, if vague, data point. I have a 486DX2/66 and a P90 networked together. The P90 took the same time to compile emacs (8.5 minutes elapsed) as the 66, with the 66 using a local SCSI disk and the P90 using the same disk via NFS. -- David Fox I want my HDTV! xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab baL hcraeseR aideM UYN ------------------------------ From: uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) Subject: Re: 486/dx2-66 vs P60 vs P66 vs P90 ? Date: 14 Sep 1994 17:40:42 GMT In esler@ch.hp.com (Kevin Esler) writes: >Does anybody have any benchmark figures on the relative raw CPU >performance of: > 486/dx2-66 > Pentium 60 > Pentium 66 > Pentium 90 >I am planning to purchase a system and it seems like the price >difference between the 486/dx2-66 and the P66 is about $300, and about >another $300 difference to get to the P90. I'm trying to allocate my >$ resources in the best way possible. >I realize that system performance depends on more than just CPU >performance, by the way. Most bang for the buck: Get a 486dx2-66, and make sure it's an AMD cpu, not Intel. Then, get a motherboard that you can easily change the bus speed settings, via jumpers. A friend of mine bought the above combination for $290 (MB + CPU) at a computer show, and the AMD chip happily cruises along at an overclocked 80mhz. He ran Doom running demo mode for 4 days straight without a crash. His Norton SI is 152, compared with ~124 at 66mhz, annd 190 for a P5-60. However, I heard a rumor that AMD is catching on and now calling their chips DX2-80's, so you might want to buy soon while they're cheap. Andy -- Andrew Krenz KE6BIP | Warning: This signature file has been determined uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu | to cause cancer in laboratory animals. ------------------------------ From: iotov@cco.caltech.edu (Mihail S. Iotov) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.prog,dc.org.linux-users Subject: Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem Date: 14 Sep 1994 02:06:37 GMT swilli@corp.cssi.net (Sean Williams) writes: >/usr/lib/smail/routers that will correct this with the right config >in it. The error is : >Xdefer:
reason: router uucp_neighbors : >command '/usr/bin/uuname' returned exit status EX_32256 >I know calling uuname is a bug in SMAIL and a routers file will fix >this but I don't know wht to put in it. >What do I need to put in /usr/lib/smail/routers to get these messages >delivered? Thanks for the help. Calling uuname is not a bug, you just have a uucp router in your routers file. Or is it that smail allways uses that router even if you comment it out in the routers ? I don't remeber. The easiest way out is to install uucp, then smail will call uuname to find out that the mail is not going to one of your uucp_neighbours and will try the next router. Even a better solution is to disable all routers and use a smart_host instead. In that way you avoid the problems with smail not looking up MX records. Mihail Iotov ------------------------------ From: mvalente@draco.lnec.pt () Subject: Re: Linux with WINE? Date: 15 Sep 1994 11:02:09 GMT Anthony K Kong (konga@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote: :Linux with WINE? I wouldnt recommend it. Nor using wine with any other Unix system. Using a Unix system with wine, after sleep, when you're sleepy, if you've had a good meal or if you're sick, can result in a rm * in the wrong place. Advice given in a book about Unix admin... Disclaimer: :-) sorry couldnt resist :-) C U! Mario Valente ------------------------------ From: shyamu@iastate.edu (Arigapudi) Subject: New to Linux! Date: 15 Sep 94 13:32:34 GMT Hi, I recently heard about Linux and am very interested. I have just bought a new 540M IDE harddrive. On reading the slakware_faq I found that Linux has problems with 540M IDE harddrive (cyliders =16 instead of 32). Is this true for the latest (stable) version of Linux? If not, what is that version? Thanks for any help/info. . ------------------------------ From: rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas) Subject: posting HOWTOs to c.o.l.announce Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:30:45 GMT I've noticed that not all of the HOWTOs posted to announce are cross-posted to news.answers? Is there any particular reason for this or is it just an oversight? I care because our site keeps a local cache of everything posted to news.answers and so it would be nice to have everything in one place updating automatically. rodrigo vanegas rv@cs.brown.edu ------------------------------ From: onno@dutian.twi.tudelft.nl (Onno Roep) Subject: Re: Installing a new kernel on the Slackware Boot disk! Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 15:22:11 GMT I installed a new kernel on an existing slackware bootfloppy. 1: mount floppy (mount /dev/fd0 /fd0) 2: copy zImage of your choice to /fd0 3: edit /fd0/etc/lilo.conf and add the new image 4: run lilo -r /dev/fd0 I hope I didn't forget anything , but I think the most essential is the lilo -r (change root dir) found in /usr/doc/lilo ------------------------------ From: jbuck@synopsys.com (Joe Buck) Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support Date: 15 Sep 1994 18:48:21 GMT mib@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell) writes: > - What about structures from include files > >Again, this depends on what the courts say is a "derived work". It >seems likely that use of data structure layouts does not constitute >derivation, at the very least, if you compile without symbols. In the AT&T vs BSDI/UCB case, the judge found that use of identical structures was not a copyright violation because it was basically a compatibility requirement. Since this was only preliminary it's not an official precedent. Anyway, for FSF to assert control over data structures even in GPLed code would be to assert an interface copyright. >With the LGPL, there is a special exemption for data structure layouts. > > - When is a dynamic link a dynamic link > >The FSF's legal documents never use this term, so it's definition >doesn't matter. In a way, this is unfortunate. A lot of the uncertainty over the LGPL is because people say "well, it looks like a dynamic link would satisfy the requirements, but it doesn't say so specifically so I'm not sure". -- -- Joe Buck Posting from but not speaking for Synopsys, Inc. ------------------------------ From: rph@netcom.com (Randy Hootman) Subject: Re: Go for Linux available! Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:27:34 GMT It is now on sunsite.unc.edu as /pub/Linux/Incoming/xgoban-wally.tgz. Randy -- /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "In recognizing the humanity of our fellow beings, we pay ourselves the highest tribute." - Thurgood Marshall ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Randy Hootman Randysoft Software (408) 229-0119 ------------------------------ From: edwards@xon.cuug.ab.ca (Ken Edwards) Subject: SCSI 9 Track? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 05:33:54 GMT Is anyone using a SCSI 9 track controller? In theory I would think that this would function like any other SCSI tape under Linux, but I want to make sure before plunking down any cash. For some strange reason 9 tracks aren't mentioned in the Howtos :') Any recommendations? Thanks. Ken. -- ------------------------------ From: rph@netcom.com (Randy Hootman) Subject: Re: Linux help manual Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:33:39 GMT Two of the best places to look are via anonymous ftp at: sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu /pub/Linux Look for the Linux HOW-TO's. In particular, you need the Linux Installation and Getting Started Guide by Matt Welsh. This is where to start and it is on the archive sites listed above. Hope this helps and good luck. Randy -- /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "In recognizing the humanity of our fellow beings, we pay ourselves the highest tribute." - Thurgood Marshall ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Randy Hootman Randysoft Software (408) 229-0119 ------------------------------ From: njbirdman@aol.com (NJBIRDMAN) Subject: Re: DOSEMU0.52 problem Date: 15 Sep 1994 11:36:08 -0400 In article <1994Sep10.081259.29987@cs.few.eur.nl>, bikostas@cs.few.eur.nl (Konstantijn R.J. van Goor) writes: I had the same problem. At that time I was running kernel 1.1.45. Nothing seemed to work. I tried several other kernels, and finally I was lucky with kernel 1.1.29. I installed it, recompiled dosemu and it worked almost rightaway. I ended up with 1.1.22. I understand dosemo0.53 works with new kernels. Am going to try it. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: taylor@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Howard "the Duck" Taylor) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions Subject: Re: PPP/IP Forwarding Problem (now about SNARL) Date: 15 Sep 1994 16:17:57 GMT In article marks@schooner.sys.hou.compaq.com writes: >For myself and at least one other person, the fix was to upgrade to >kernel 1.1.50. It's in the Incoming directory on sunsite. In my case, >since my slip server itself uses a Cisco for it's default route, I also had >to answer no to "Assume subnets are local". > >MarkS can someone explain the SNARL question in "make config"? I am trying to do something silimar as the originators of this thread. I am not sure if the problem I have is a netmask issue with an xterminal, or if I show worry about this SNARL question in the kernel. below I will describe the situation, and lotso output. anybody have any ideas? thanks, --> howie ************************************************************************ =================== Gory Gory Details Follow ============== ************************************************************************ I have been given a 3bit subnet (6hosts+netaddr+broadcast) from my internet provider. I use my linux box to establish a slip connection and want it to provide to routing for my subnet. the subnet is very small right now - just my linuxpc and a sun3 as an xterm to the pc (running linux-Xkernel!). here is a little experiment I have tried: ======================================================================== ping my sun3 xterminal from a host on the slip-server side... to check that the forwarding and routes were correct.... this is so I can throw up X stuff on my sun3 from other places on the net. host definitions: picard host on net of slip-server distraction my linux pc weenie my sun3 as an xterminal ip addrs: 134.207.6.40 my subnet (using last 3 bits) 124.207.6.47 broadcast for this subnet 255.255.255.248 netmask for this subnet 134.207.6.41 distraction 134.207.6.42 weenie facts: ping from picard to distraction is successful ping from picard to weenie fails, but packets are delivered to distraction's eth0 output from tcpdump while ping'ing weenie from picard: ======================================================================== [8] # tcpdump -i eth0 -N -v not port 6000 tcpdump: listening on eth0 17:14:44.765206 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20838) 17:14:44.778650 arp who-has picard tell weenie 17:14:45.402110 arp reply distraction is-at 0:60:8c:c0:db:6 17:14:45.406841 arp who-has distraction tell weenie 17:14:45.786329 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20862) 17:14:45.789243 arp who-has picard tell weenie 17:14:46.775263 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20929) 17:14:46.778871 arp who-has picard tell weenie 17:14:47.785225 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20943) 17:14:47.788842 arp who-has picard tell weenie 17:14:48.795330 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20962) 17:14:48.798936 arp who-has picard tell weenie 17:14:49.805278 picard > weenie: icmp: echo request (ttl 252, id 20985) 17:14:49.808860 arp who-has picard tell weenie 14 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel [9] # contents of /proc/net/arp ======================================================================== [9] # cat /proc/net/arp IP address HW type Flags HW address 134.207.6.42 0x1 0x2 08:00:20:06:38:E8 stats for route and ifconfig: ======================================================================== [5] # ifconfig lo Link encap Local Loopback inet addr 127.0.0.1 Bcast 127.255.255.255 Mask 255.0.0.0 UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU 2000 Metric 1 RX packets 0 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 TX packets 129 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 sl0 Link encap Serial Line IP inet addr 134.207.6.41 P-t-P 134.207.12.150 Mask 255.255.0.0 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING MTU 1006 Metric 1 RX packets 2971 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 TX packets 2752 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 eth0 Link encap 10Mbps Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:8C:C0:DB:06 inet addr 134.207.6.41 Bcast 134.207.6.47 Mask 255.255.255.248 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MTU 1500 Metric 1 RX packets 246676 errors 1 dropped 0 overruns 1 TX packets 531687 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 [6] # netstat -rn Kernel routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 134.207.12.150 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 492 sl0 134.207.6.40 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 532125 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 129 lo 0.0.0.0 134.207.12.150 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 517 sl0 -- ============================================================================= Howard Taylor Dept of Electrical Engineering University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Kai Petzke) Subject: Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! Date: 15 Sep 94 13:37:28 GMT jw_lamp@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (John Lamp) writes: >jcolman@lehman.com (Jake Colman) writes: >>Kevin Lentin (kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au) wrote: >>: Huh? I know QDOS as a separate product. Sort of in the lvein of 4DOS. Is >>: this a coincidence? >>QDOS is a product from Gazelle Systems which is more like X-Tree than it >>is like 4DOS. The latter is a replacement command processor for DOS >>in that it fully replaces COMMAND.COM. QDOS is a file selector/browser >>tool with a few other goodies thrown in as well. >Yep, and not to be confused with Seattle's QDOS (quick and dirty o/s) >which was renamed MS-DOS 1.0. I have been using Gazelle's QDOS since 1.2 >and can heartily recommend it. The Sinclair QL (a home computer based upon the 68008 processor, which came out about the same time as the Amiga and the Atari ST) also had an operating system called QDOS. Maybe, these 4 characters are a magic acronym? Kai -- Kai Petzke | How fast can computers get? Technical University of Berlin | Berlin, Germany | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek. wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de | ------------------------------ From: zxmgv07@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will) Subject: Re: If GPL is true ... Date: 14 Sep 94 19:48:08 GMT In <779468500.252snx@rsainc.com> billyc@rsainc.com (Liang Chen) writes: > If GNU's GPL is true, are all the software written in C or ASM have > to release their source because they are using GCC or GAS and C > library. Is that the only chose of not release their source Wrong. Read the GPL before complaining about it. Cheers, Michael Will ------------------------------ From: pierre@shell.portal.com (Pierre Uszynski) Crossposted-To: biz.config Subject: Re: Biz.comp.linux* Date: 15 Sep 1994 20:06:43 GMT In jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) writes: >example is this 'I can't get Yygdrasil F94 to boot on my sony cd' problem. >I've been tellign the same story over and over, 'cause it disappears in >the flood of mail. If there was a place were people could ask yygdrasil >questions, and read their posts, it might alleviate some of this. I don't think that would be solved by a biz.comp.linux hierarchy. This is a col.help question. How to split col.help is an open issue certainly but I don't think it will be split across the comp and biz hierarchies. As to support from Yggdrasil themselves, while they often reply to col.help questions, they also state their policy in their manual: custom support is "for money" via a 900 line (although they have also outlined a mail-robot system). So their IS a place to ask Yggdrasil questions. It's just that you don't like it (I don't either actually, but that's not the point.) biz groups would not help you in this case. 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