From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 02:13:13 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #803 Linux-Misc Digest #803, Volume #2 Fri, 23 Sep 94 02:13:13 EDT Contents: driver for NE3200 (EtherExpress 32 EISA)? (Stefan (SAM Muenzel)) Re: How to use floppy with linux? (Mark P. Nelson) Re: QUESTION: FAX software for Linux/X11? (Sam Leffler) LINUX WANTED !!! (Franck) Newbie Linux Install Question (TDIMARTI@eos.bentley.edu) Unix file system performance survey (David Fox) Re: how to write man pages (Peter Jones) Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Jeffrey Nipp) Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Jon Gefaell) Re: 486 Blue Lightning -75 and linux? (Michael Mellinger) SMC Ultra (Eric Hausgaard) Re: 486 Math Not Detected on 486SLC (Bill Davidsen) Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Hallvard Paulsen) Re: going back to DOS -- hard disk problems (Jay Ashworth) Re: Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux) (amullick@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muenzel@ceres.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Stefan (SAM) Muenzel) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin,de.comp.os.linux Subject: driver for NE3200 (EtherExpress 32 EISA)? Date: 22 Sep 94 15:49:22 GMT Hi folks, I have the following problem: my current employer has an EISA-machine with an (for me) unknown ethernet-card. It's a Intel EtherExpress 32Bit ( NE3200 ) / EISA I'm not sure this is the correct name, but i hope some guru on the net will recognize it. I looked through the kernel-sources (1.1.50), but couldn't find a driver for this card (or is it the ac3200 in drivers/net?). Does anybody know of this card, or is there already someone writing the driver? It's fairly important for us to get them working (the destination-machine will have 3 of them). Any information would be of great value ;-) ciao SAM -- ============================================================================= Stefan "SAM" Muenzel . o c , Fencing Theoretical Astrophysics / "#v-- --v#" is Computational Physics /'> <`\ fun ! University of Tuebingen Auf der Morgenstelle 10 --- D-72076 Tuebingen --- Germany Email: muenzel@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de ============================================================================= ------------------------------ From: mpn@AlleleB.Berkeley.EDU (Mark P. Nelson) Subject: Re: How to use floppy with linux? Date: 20 Sep 1994 18:29:56 GMT Reply-To: mpn@alleleb.berkeley.edu kidd travis danemon (tkidd@hubcap.clemson.edu) wrote: : Hi. I have Linux installed on my hard drive, and would like to know how I : can format and copy to and from floppy disks. I know my drives are named : fd0 and fd1, but that's about it. Any help on this group or private E-mail : would be appreciated. Travis: You need to get started on reading the man pages for mtools and fdformat. There was a good article on mtools in the last Linux Journal, too. -- Mark P. Nelson (mpn@alleleb.berkeley.edu) While I'll admit that anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short of deliberate.--V. ------------------------------ From: sam@oxford.chez.sgi.com (Sam Leffler) Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.fax Subject: Re: QUESTION: FAX software for Linux/X11? Date: 20 Sep 1994 16:08:40 GMT In article <1994Sep20.102001.20928@news.media.mit.edu>, ereidell@media.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell) writes: |> I have both Class 1 and Class 2 FAXmodems... |> and I can use GhostScript to generate large TIFFs, |> (question: is 'fine' FAX resolution exactly 196x204 dpi?) Fine resolution is usually meant to mean 204 dpi horizontally by 196 lpi vertically. (Some fax machine vendors refer to fine and super fine when talking about 98 lpi and 196 lpi, respectively.) |> and Linux/X11 on a PC can talk to the modem port (I'm using Seyon right now) |> |> so: is there any FAXmodem software out there for Linux? And how do I find it? Ask on a Linux news group. The most commonly known packages are probably gnufax (aka MIT netfax), mgetty+sendfax (which doesn't handle Class 1 modems and requires preprocessing to handle non-G3-encoded images), efax (handles Class 1 modems, like sendfax in terms of handling PS, TIFF, etc.), and FlexFAX. |> |> UNIX REVIEW Nov92 pp63-76 has reviews of ArnetFAX, DigiFax, Faximum, |> FaxLink, FaxTrax and VSI-Fax, but I bet they're all very expensive... |> |> If anyone can recommend the best way to send FAXes from a LinuxPC, |> please send me email! The best thing for you is a program that does what you want. Stick with the simplest software that'll satisfy your needs. If you plan to send many faxes and/or need a good client/server architecture then look at FlexFAX. Use archie to locate the closest ftp site with the software. Sam --- Sam Leffler Voice: (415) 390-1269 Silicon Graphics, Inc. Email: sam@sgi.com Research & Development, 6L-005 FAX: (415) 965-7824 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mountain View, CA 94039-7311 ------------------------------ From: franck@davina.inria.fr (Franck ) Subject: LINUX WANTED !!! Date: 22 Sep 1994 09:26:55 GMT Hello, everybody ! I want to install Linux on my PC. I have some very simple questions : - What's the last version of Linux ? - Where can I find it ? (ftp site...) Is documentation about installation, administration be complete and clear ? Thanks a lot for any contribution. _____/ _____/ / / /_ / Franck Charlemagne. __/ / Projet Rodin. / / e-mail : franck@inria.fr _/ _/ ______/ "Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it." Goethe. ------------------------------ From: TDIMARTI@eos.bentley.edu Subject: Newbie Linux Install Question Date: 20 Sep 94 11:54:33 EDT Hi, I have a problem installing Linux on a 486-66 PC. The PC has a soundblaster SCSI-II with an NEC 3x CD-ROM. I'm trying to install Linux on logical drive D via CD-ROM. The boot command I'm using is: linux aha152x=0x340,10,1,1 root=/dev/hda5 The problem is that the root gets mounted but hangs after I see this message: VFS: mounted root (umsdos filesystem) read only. I have downloaded all how-to files and am still unable to get the system to boot. Thanks in advance for any help. SPARSONS@BENTLEY.EDU ------------------------------ From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Subject: Unix file system performance survey Date: 22 Sep 1994 16:27:24 GMT I'm considering doing a survey of file system performance. Below is the first draft of the result format, a few examples, and a blank form for responses. Let me know if you have any suggestions for changes to the format, and you can send me filled in forms. The results are based on iozone, are there other Unix disk performance measurement tools I should know about? Make sure you run iozone with a sufficiently high argument for its results to be meaningful. IOZONE results: FS Client CPU Server CPU Disk Adapter Meg Write Read Who -- ------- --- ------- ---- ---- ------- --- ----- ---- --- ext2 L1.1.45 DX33 12550N 152x 30 834189 623163 A NFS L1.1.45 DX66 L1.1.45 DX33 12550N 152x 10 75818 70916 A sun S4.1.3 SS2 30 921751 633226 A NFS S4.1.3 SS2 S4.1.3 20 115225 758127 A irix I5.2 r4k 30 2147254 1155243 A Key: FS: ext2 - Linux second extended file system sun - SunOS file system irix - IRIX file system NFS - Network file system Client: Operating system of client machine Server: Operating system of server machine (if any) L1.0.9 - Linux version 1.0.9 S4.1.3 - SunOS version 4.1.3 I5.2 - Irix version 5.2 CPU: DX33 - I486DX/33 DX66 - I486DX2/66 SS2 - SparcStation 2 r4k - R4000 (100 MHz?) Disk: 12550N - Seagate 12500N 12400N - Seagate 12400N 31200N - Seagate 31200N Adapter: 152x - Adaptec 1520/1522 154x - Adaptec 1540/1542 Meg: Number of megabytes iozone wrote and read Who: A - fox@cs.nyu.edu Form: File system: Client OS version: Client CPU: Server OS version: Server CPU: Disk drive: Disk Adapter: Iozone megabytes: Read bytes/second: Write bytes/second: Your e-mail address: -- David Fox I want my HDTV! xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab baL hcraeseR aideM UYN ------------------------------ From: thanatos@drealm.drealm.org (Peter Jones) Subject: Re: how to write man pages Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:30:00 +0000 On Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:39:26 GMT, Lars A. Hansen (larsh@kfdata.no) wrote (in article <1994Sep20.173926.6243@kfdata.no>): > The subject says it all, how to write them what tool to use? > --- Lars --- > I use vi. [TR]roff come with 'man' macros. You mark-up your text with them. SVR4.2 has a nice, friendly 'man(5)' page which tells you what should go in and give a style guide. I don't know how this relates to Linux (as there is no central source of manpages......). -- Peter ------------------------------ From: jnipp@unix.cc.emory.edu (Jeffrey Nipp) Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. Date: 22 Sep 1994 04:38:00 GMT A. Rohde (exp109@modcomp.physik.uni-kiel.de) wrote: : In article , nmouawad@barrow.uwaterloo.ca (Naji Mouawad) writes: : |> : |> I need to write my thesis. I can either use Linux or Os/2. The advice you have gotten so far ranges from good to useless. The most important factor has not been discussed. You want to use a couple of unix programs to write your thesis. They have been ported to OS/2, but they are not native to that OS. For basic functions under the conditions you describe, linux will be faster at running unix applications. I have run the apps you speak of (except the draw package) under both systems and cannot tell you that one is markedly faster than the other in graphics mode (X or presentation manager), but because you have to run a BASH command interpreter to get full functionality, linux is more convenient to set up and use with these _unix_ programs. The real question is: Why would you want to write a THESIS on emax and latex? There are many comercial products which are much better suited to that particular task which will run native under OS/2 or in a dos or windows box under OS/2 and give much better performance than the unix programs you mention. Your school should have a site license available which would make the cost almost negligible. Describe and Ami-pro are two excellent OS/2 native word processors which would meet all of your text editing and formatting needs in a single package. If you got lotus smarsuite you would get the graphics package as well. WordPerfect and Microsoft (shudder) also have robust (more robust) word processing programs which run great under OS/2. Someone else wrote of using mission critical apps on unproven systems. The point is well taken. Why run to a less full featured application to develop your mission critical document. I cannot slam the OS on this point, as linux has been rock solid for us, and we do use linux for mission critical research applications. We also use OS/2 for mission critical apps. None of the mission critical apps under _my_ supervision run on anything other than one of these 32 bit OS. Just remember, don't choose an OS or an app, then figure out how to make it work for what you want to do. Get a clear picture of your objective (I'm guessing- to make a very large document and keep track of numerous footnotes, figures and associated text, and bibliography), and then find the best available application to perform that task, then get the OS to run it to your best advantage. Until recently WordPerfect/dos was the only legitimate choice, which you could run under OS/2 to get some degree of multitasking. Now, the major windows programs are the clear kings of this hill. Lotus says that AmiPro is at the same level in both Win and OS/2 versions, so this might suit your needs (os/2 that is). Of course, the one fly in this ointment is any time you have invested in learning EMACS. All of the traditional desktop apps will be much easier to learn and use, but if you already know EMACS backwards, forewards and sideways, it is probably too late to make a big switch, although I learned most of Word's pertinent features in a couple of days. OOPS, I started prostelatizing. I said I wouldn't do that anymore. sorry. -jn ------------------------------ From: jeg7e@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Jon Gefaell) Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 22:06:13 GMT In article <7PIWkunLQ994071yn@oslonett.no>, Svein Erik Brostigen wrote: > >What amazes me, is that there are so few from the commercial world in >this fora, only from the academic world. Maybe I should take that as >a sign telling me that this is of purely academic interest at the >moment. > >Now gentlemen, it's up to YOU! Sir, Your tone is rude and arrogant, your assumptions flawed, your experience obviously limited. When I need a hammer, I use one. When I need a toaster, likewise. >--- >Svein Erik Brostigen, Tech. manager >Rønning Netverk Systemer AS Pho. +47 22 37 04 00 >P.O. Box 6730, Rodeløkka Fax. +47 22 37 03 70 >N-0503 Oslo Cel. +47 92 03 00 74 >Norway -- -- All opinions and ideas expressed herein are solely those of the author -- http://Hopper.ITC.Virginia.EDU/~jeg7e/ - soc.motss,rec.guns,wreck.moto,bodyart -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Jon Gefaell, Monticello Area Virtual Village | Amateur Radio Station KD4CQY Systems Engineer and Operations Manager | -Will chmod for Food- Hacker@[Virginia.EDU,Mont-AVV.GEN.VA.US] | B4 t+ w++ dc g++ k+ s+ m r p++ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- '82 Honda CB900F "Turing Machine" DoD #1439 - HK USP .40S&W "Don't Tread On Me" ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips From: melling@sylvester.trddsk.com (Michael Mellinger) Subject: Re: 486 Blue Lightning -75 and linux? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:18:21 GMT In article <1994Sep19.221857.16288@news.csuohio.edu> dwalker@omega.csuohio.edu (Derrik Walker II) writes: Does linux work with the blue lightning mother boards? And if so how does the performance stack up to a 486dx2/66 from amd or intel? Yes, I am running Linux (v 1.0.9?) on a 75MHz Blue Lightning motherboard and it works fine. I get something like 21.5 BogoMips. My machine had a 20Mhz 386 (<4 BogoMips) before I upgraded so it seems damn fast to me. For the price, around $330, it's hard to beat. -Mike melling@trddsk.com ------------------------------ From: ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard) Subject: SMC Ultra Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:59:02 GMT Can someone E-Mail me some opinters to getting a SMC Ultra to work under Slackware 2.0 (Most Recent from ftp.cdrom.com) Thanx Eric ueh@sunyit.edu -- ------------------------------ From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: 486 Math Not Detected on 486SLC Date: 21 Sep 1994 18:09:32 -0400 In article <35pk5t$968@cbs.ksu.ksu.edu>, Karl Buck wrote: :Symptoms: :When installing a fresh 1.1.51 kernel (gcc 2.5.8), and booting things :go ok until it gets to the math coprocessor test where it says :something to the effect: : :Math coprocessor or emulator not found :Giving up : :Anyone know how to fix this or why it is happening? --Karl The error message tells you why it's happening, your system does not have a math coprocessor and your kernel lacks the emulation package. You can correct either problem, either by using the correct kernel for your machine as configured, or by adding the FPU to your hardware. I didn't know that Slackware came with a kernel with no emulator as standard, since every system I have owned for the last five years or so has an FPU. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me ------------------------------ From: Hallvard.Paulsen@imm.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen) Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! Date: 22 Sep 1994 15:26:20 GMT Reply-To: Hallvard.Paulsen@imm.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen) In article <7PIWkunLQ994071yn@oslonett.no>, serik@oslonett.no (Svein Erik Brostigen) writes: |> It sure was!! |> First, please excuse my language - English is my second language, |> Norwegian is my first. Goes for me too.. |> |> Now, I would never (or at least not for some years) recommend Linux to |> my customers as an alternative to MS-DOS or OS/2, especially not when |> we are talking about networks and day-to-day use of business programs. |> |> 1. There is no support for the more sofisticated disk handlings like |> RAID 5 or STRIPING. You sound like you work in the computer business. Why don't you make some support for this yourself? (Sooner or later somebody will probably do it anyway.) |> 2. There are no programs available that does Word-processing, spreadsheets, |> databases, presentation graphics and so on, as we have under MS-DOS |> and Windows. Wrong. Actually, wordprocessing was the reason why I threw away ms-dos and windows from my computer in the first plase. WP4windows just keeps crashing and I think it is mostly because of Windows itself. (Printer driver crashing the display driver or wp_one_file crashing another wp_other_file. And yes I was using version 6.0*a*). I'm much happier using LaTeX under linux (or any other Unix) Databases I don't use. Windows spreadsheets are not powerfull enough for my use (limited support for importing *large* textfiles and simply not enough rows and collums anyway.) Presentations graphics, well I guess if you are a business person what is awailable is pretty nice, but still not stable on windows and I do much better with pbmplus, gnuplot and XITE for image manipulation graphics and so on. |> |> 3. There is currently no easy way to interconnect to LAN Server or Netware |> natively, i.e. from Linux. I don't know much about LAN server and Netware, but in our environment using TCP/IP based unix machines as fileservers and SUN PC/NFS for the msdos/windows machines, it was *much* easier to get linux on the net (slackware 2.0) than it was using msdos. (No looking around for drivers for my 3com card, just install the nettwork version of the kernel, add tcp/ip and I was on the net.) And it still has not been a single crash. |> |> 4. There is no support for MCA-based machines. |> Nix. |> 5. There is no support for Token-Ring (some ALPHA code is floating around |> on the Net, but....) Don't know. |> |> 6. Nationalized version of the few programs existing are not available. Acctually I suspect that the "Nationalized" version of windows and WP is one of the reasons why frequent reboots are so important.? |> |> 7. Nationalized versions of Linux is not available. Don't want it. LaTeX still lets me print Norwegian symbols. |> |> 8. Support for modern graphics accelerators like Mach64, Stealth64 etc, |> is not scheduled until maybe next year. I've got a Mach 32 card. The current version of the windows driver is 2.3 but it still has problems with Maple V-2 for windows. The mach 32 X server I'm using on the other hand works without any problems (used it for over a month now.) I guess "real" (i.e usable) support for mach 64 in windows will be available at about the time Chicago starts shipping. (Which means they will have to start all over again...?) |> |> 9. Printed manuals and easy 'Get started' manuals does not exist. |> They do. In postscript format on the net! |> 10. Support for Mulit-media is shaky. |> Don't you ever do any "real" work? |> 11. Support for ISDN is not generally available. |> I don't think I will get any ISDN phone for quite a while yet. I don't even think it is available all over the contry. |> 12. There is no disk-compression. |> I think there is. But how many years did it take befor MS-DOS got such a beast? |> I do have more points, but I think this is enough. |> Personally, I think Linux is great and I'm runnig it on one of my disks, |> but I also run MS-DOS and WfW 3.11 and OS/2 WARP2 BETA, OS/2 2.11, all |> except WARP2 in native language. |> |> When I'm recommending some system to my customers it should be something |> that has a proven record of durability, Netware and Lan Server both have |> that when it comes to NOS'es. MS-DOS and OS/2 have it when it comes to |> PC OS'es. Windows durability is about 2 hours.. (The time between reboots.) I guess MS-DOS is quite durable, but ohh so limited in its capabilities. |> |> My customers are like all other customers, they will use wordprocessors, |> spreadsheets and so on. They are now used to be able to see the same thing |> on the screen as they will get on the paper. They need to import data |> from a wide range of other products, read MAC disks etc. Using pbmplus and postscript files in LaTeX enables me to do everything *I* need. |> |> In a network environment, things like RAID 5 and STRIPING both adds to |> security and speed. Very possible. |> |> When it comes to TokenRing and MCA based machines, well IBM is the |> biggest player in the computer world no matter what you people of the |> .edu thinks! |> Well, IBM seams to realize that MCA is not going to survive very much longer. |> What amazes me, is that there are so few from the commercial world in |> this fora, only from the academic world. Maybe I should take that as |> a sign telling me that this is of purely academic interest at the |> moment. This is still an academic net. I don't know how many commercial places are connected at this time. Anywhay, "nobody has ever been fired for buying IBM is still an important phrase". |> |> Now gentlemen, it's up to YOU! |> |> --- |> Svein Erik Brostigen, Tech. manager |> Rønning Netverk Systemer AS Pho. +47 22 37 04 00 |> P.O. Box 6730, Rodeløkka Fax. +47 22 37 03 70 |> N-0503 Oslo Cel. +47 92 03 00 74 |> Norway |> |> I have to go no. Hallvard Paulsen ------------------------------ From: jra@zeus.IntNet.net (Jay Ashworth) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: going back to DOS -- hard disk problems Date: 20 Sep 1994 01:25:42 -0400 BOBSNYDER421@delphi.com writes: >Well, I'm not sure if you mentioned the type of 270M disk, but- >you cannot format an IDE drive. Low level, that is. Forget the >DEBUG format, that is low level format. Well... You can low level format an IDE drive, but you have to have the right software. It's no longer the $3500 it was when IDE first happened; I gather Disk Manager either 5.x or 6.x can do it for a lot of drives. But I do _hate_ drives that lie to the operating system about their geometry. Blows my elevator seek algorithms all to hell... Cheers, -- jr 'avg. seek time: 20 minutes. The kids are too smart for me...' a -- Jay R. Ashworth Ashworth Designer & Associates ka1fjx/4 High Technology Systems Consulting jra@baylink.com +1 813 790 7592 ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs.scsi From: amullick@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: Re: Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 05:38:33 GMT In article <1994Sep20.184952.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu>, I wrote: > be the only workable solution. One suggested that connecting > the IDE drive to the middle connector on the ribbon cable > connecting it to the controller would enable it to be the D: > drive and the SCSI drive the C: drive. I have been getting a number of email messages about this section of my previous post so I guess a clarification is in order... Based on my interpretation of the original message, the person was saying to connect the IDE drive to the middle connector on the IDE ribbon cable and the SCSI drive to the SCSI cable. The idea was that the computer was to find no IDE drive, boot off the SCSI drive and then find the IDE drive using [I assume] some sort of driver or utility. I am also assuming they are trying for some sort of slave with no master setup or some kind of BIOS setting. I realize that the popular opinion is that IDE _must_ be the boot drive but this person says it works the other way for him and I have no reason to question his motives in saying this. If this person wishes me to repost his original message, I will do so. Or if he wishes to add his comments to this thread, he is free to do so. Otherwise, I'm just going to leave this topic as is and chaulk it up to an unverified urban legend. I have tons of experience with SCSI and a good amount of experience with IDE and I know putting the two on one ribbon cable is not a good idea--kind of like putting gasoline in a diesel engine. I have not mixed IDE and SCSI or gas and diesel and have absolutely no plans to do so!! (I do however know people who have done the latter to our ambulances and the long downtimes this has created.) Additional comments: ==================== -One respondant mentioned using a Control Concepts combination IDE, SCSI, 4-floppy, 4-serial port, 2-bidirectional parallel port board. Company is an advertiser in Byte and is based in either Virginia or Texas. -Another respondant mentioned having seen a IDE/SCSI controller offered by Tiger but no more details were given. -Finally, after more searching, I found Buslogic contact information: NB: These are unverified as I won't be able to call until Friday. BBS: 408-492-1984 Tech Support (voice): 408-492-9090 or 408-988-7338 Tech Support (fax): 408-492-1542 As before, followups are welcome, both in the newsgroup(s) and by email. 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