From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 11:13:10 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #806 Linux-Misc Digest #806, Volume #2 Fri, 23 Sep 94 11:13:10 EDT Contents: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Ian McCloghrie) Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Svein Erik Brostigen) Re: OpenStep on GNU or Linux? (Gregor Hoffleit) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson) Reading from parallel port?? (Hendrik G. Seliger) Re: ** autoconf.h? ** (Christopher Michael Joslyn) Where to find AHA-1740 or U24F SCSI controller cheap. (Mark Buser) Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem (root) Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (Sean Gilley) Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Maxim Spivak) Re: ** autoconf.h? ** (Michael_Nelson) Term - Periodic traffic generation (Chris Herringshaw) Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Richard L. Goerwitz) Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Robert Gasch) Re: Royal Computers - How are hey in general and with Linux? (STOLFA ROLAND JOSE) Re: Don't use Linux; it's too academic! (Alexander Bottema) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ianm@qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie) Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! Date: 22 Sep 1994 09:30:13 -0700 jrp@widcat.Widener.EDU (Joshua R. Poulson) writes: >>8. Support for modern graphics accelerators like Mach64, Stealth64 etc, >> is not scheduled until maybe next year. >I'm enjoying my S3 quite nicely, thanks. Again, vendor support is an >issue because they want to sell or license their technology instead of >telling people what you need to use it. Also, these are supposed to be in XF86 3.1, I believe. Last I heard, that should be out any day now. -- ____ \bi/ Ian McCloghrie | FLUG: FurryMUCK Linux User's Group \/ email: ian@ucsd.edu | Card Carrying Member, UCSD Secret Islandia Club GCS (!)d-(--) p c++ l++(+++) u+ e- m+ s+/+ n+(-) h- f+ !g w+ t+ r y* The above represents my personal opinions and not necessarily those of my employer, Qualcomm Inc. ------------------------------ From: serik@oslonett.no (Svein Erik Brostigen) Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! Date: 23 Sep 1994 12:08:04 +0200 Reply-To: serik@oslonett.no Well, thanx a lot for all your comments on my previous posting, as usual, some says I am insane, some says I have a few points of truth. However, I'm not going into the discussion about which OS is the better one or which WP is the best. I merely states that there are quite a few reasons *at the moment* for *not* putting Linux in a commercial environment. So far none of your postings have made me change my mind. When we are talking about customers and their *weird* environment, with LAN's based on NetWare and TokenRing and there's an AS/400 in that ring and they use their PC's to connect to the AS/400, Linux falls through. I have used UNIX since 1987 and have been working 4 years with the Norwegian distributor of a UNIX product called Q-office (87-91). I still use Linux today for a lot of different tasks. The only time my MS-DOS/Windows combination needs a reboot, is every time I use Mosaic for Windows and it cannot open a connection. All the other programs we run, and our customers run, are running flawlessly. They boot up in the morning and shut down in the afternoon. The moment, we as an system integrator and network builder, can order the different packages and install them without 'any' problems on the different PC's, Linux might be interesting, but today, no! It's also interesting that some people say: 'You can just transfer and compile the different drivers and so on yourself'. In a business situation, we don't want to do that. We need packages that are tested and at least as stable as what you find in the MS-DOS world. Personally, I run 1.1.51 and the latest ALPHA/BETA versions of the stuff around. I also have a Mach64 card which runs X soothly, though unaccelerated. When it comes to nationalization, what about man-pages in the local language? This is something that needs to be done. At last, some of yoy says 'Why not do something yourself?' There is so much that should be done, but I can't manage, neither can my company spare the time and money at the moment. But, if there are people in Norway or the rest of Scandinavia whom might be interested in making Linux more commerciable (>-|), maybe we could do something together. If so, please mail me! Happy computing everyone! Svein Erik ------------------------------ From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: OpenStep on GNU or Linux? Date: 22 Sep 1994 16:24:47 GMT Don Hurter (dhurter@world.std.com) wrote: : Linux appeals to Intel owners who probably inherited their machines with : Windows installed, yet want to learn the inner secrets of Unix without a : huge investment. The important feature of the Linux community is their : sense of innitiative and openness towards developing public tools and : utilities. These are the kinds of people that NeXT unfortunately let go : when they stopped supporting academia. They are also the kind of people ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Funny. If I should try to be honest, NeXT's support for academia was never better than today here in Germany. For 690,- DM you get a full NEXTSTEP user+developer for any supported hardware, leaving the actual hardware discounts to the manufacturer (and you know what that means e.g. for HP). When they sold us their own black hardware, there was never more than 10% higher edu discount! That were the bad times for us! Ok, if we speak of actually 'supporting' academia in Germany, well, I've never ever noticed that anytime. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) | ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) Date: 23 Sep 1994 04:03:28 -0600 Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux hierarchy. See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: hank@Blimp.automat.uni-essen.de (Hendrik G. Seliger) Subject: Reading from parallel port?? Date: 21 Sep 1994 21:18:04 GMT Reply-To: hank@automat.uni-essen.de Hi everybody! I'm trying to talk to my PostScript printer, which is connectec to a parallel port. Sending data is no problem, but I'd like also to recieve the 'answers' from teh printer, to get infos etc. without having to print everyting on dozens of sheets of paper. But it seems to be not possible to easily *read* data from a /dev/lp?. As I can see it, the kernel does not have any functions to read from these port anyway. So my question: is there any way of capturing the data the printer sends to the parallel port? Thanks for any ideas! Cheers, Hank -- ====================================================================== Hendrik G. Seliger Universitaet Essen hank@automat.uni-essen.de Schuetzenbahn 70 Tel.: +49-201-183-2898 45117 Essen, Germany ====================================================================== "Handling interrupts is simple." (G. Pajari) "Interrupts are an unpleasant fact of life." (A. Tanenbaum) ------------------------------ From: chrisj@pvi.com (Christopher Michael Joslyn) Subject: Re: ** autoconf.h? ** Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:01:39 GMT In article <35pd43$i7@myrddin.imat.com>, Michael_Nelson wrote: >Recently, when attempting to build some applications (one was yamm), I've >encountered a problem where the application will #include > > "/usr/src/linux/include/config.h" > >config.h isn't a problem, because it's there, and it gets #included without >problem. But config.h has a line in it that #includes "", >and there is no autoconf.h anywhere on my system. > >So far I've been able to get around the problem by commenting the #include >of that file out of config.h, and the applications seem to build without >problem... but it makes me uncomfortable when I have to hack system files >like this... > >Is this #include of autoconf.h an error in config.h, or should I really have >an autoconf.h? /usr/src/linux/include/linux/autoconf.h is created after you do a make config in the /usr/src/linux directory. The kernel uses it, as well as some other applications, to know how the kernel is configured. There are two ways it can be removed, one is to explicitly remove it and the other is to do a make mrproper in the /usr/src/linux directory [can we get this changed anyone?]. You will need to do a make config again to recreated it. - Chris -- ---- Purgamentum Init, Exit Purgamentum ------------------------------------ Christopher M. Joslyn | Visual Numerics, Inc. | "A la fin de l'envoi, +1 (303) 581-3269 | 6230 Lookout Road | je touche!" chrisj@boulder.vni.com | Boulder, CO 80301 | My opinions are mine! ------------------------------ From: buser@tartan.com (Mark Buser) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Where to find AHA-1740 or U24F SCSI controller cheap. Date: 22 Sep 94 19:18:27 GMT I'm looking for a source for either the adaptec 174x or ultrastor 24F EISA SCSI controllers. Since these are both out of production it seems to be a good time to pick one up. I've read that the 34F is now available for $89 from CSC. Unfortunately they don't carry any EISA controllers. I currently have a VLB video card and IDE controller so I'd like to take advantage of those empty EISA slots I have :). Any tips to who might still have some of these in stock. I'll consider used, but prefer new. I've checked the Computer Shopper, but its discount days are long gone. Thanks in advance, Mark (buser@tartan.com) ------------------------------ From: root@awc2-03.bham.ac.uk (root) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem Date: 23 Sep 1994 10:18:24 GMT Hmmmmm, actually, I got this error message whilst setting up SMAIL, problem was it was trying to use uucp type stuff when I only wanted it to use smtp, and was trying to find the uumaps for my site. I used the example files for workstations (./samples/bigsite/workstns I think), and managed to get them hacked around to work, and they never use uucp... -Neil Email: nxc@cs.bham.ac.uk (i.e. don't reply to where this came from...) ------------------------------ From: slg@slgsun.cb.att.com (Sean Gilley) Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! Reply-To: sean.l.gilley@att.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:27:10 GMT In article <35suhk$13go@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>, DAVID L. JOHNSON wrote: >Huh? Are you sure it's not still in the buffer? Why do you click on the other >term -- and with which button? It may not still be highlighted, if say you >type in an xterm, but you can still paste. At least I can. Is it in the buffer? Can't say yes or no for sure, but what I *am* sure about is that after I click on the other window, I can no longer paste my selection. So for you latecomers, let me again describe the problem: Two xterm windows up. Select text in the first window. Click on the second and try to paste. Nothing happens. I'm not in an editor, just have a shell (bash) in each window. I'm using olvwm as my window manager. Another person thought it was relelated to my window manager. I don't think so. I use olvwm on my Sun at work as well as at home, and I'm using the same config files on both machines. (Or very close to the same. I don't know of any differences, but I'm not willing to swear on it.) Oh -- I use the oeft button to drag the highlighting for selection, and use my middle button to paste. Note that cut and paste *does* work if I don't click on the second window first. Sean. --- Sean L. Gilley The Information Super Highway is sean.l.gilley@att.com really just a rough gravel road with 614 860 9053 (h), 614 860 5743 (w) wonderful roadsigns. ------------------------------ From: maxims@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Maxim Spivak) Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! Date: 22 Sep 1994 16:51:31 GMT In article <7PIWkunLQ994071yn@oslonett.no>, Svein Erik Brostigen wrote: >When it comes to TokenRing and MCA based machines, well IBM is the >biggest player in the computer world no matter what you people of the >.edu thinks! Actually, to be fair, Microsoft is the biggest player in the computer world. IBM is really a has-been and may be will-be but definitely not-here. Of course this is in the US, not Norway. >What amazes me, is that there are so few from the commercial world in >this fora, only from the academic world. Maybe I should take that as >a sign telling me that this is of purely academic interest at the >moment. Yes, you're may be right, but we never said we want to force Linux on MS Windows users for whom double-clicking is an art. Actually, if you do read these newsgroups, you'd see many .com and .org, once in a while a .mil and a .gov. >Now gentlemen, it's up to YOU! What exactly is up to us? Max -- ************************************************************************** Maxim Spivak | #include University of California, Berkeley | #include maxims@ucsee.eecs.berkeley.edu | #include ".signature" ------------------------------ From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael_Nelson) Subject: Re: ** autoconf.h? ** Date: 22 Sep 1994 05:51:45 GMT Reply-To: nelson@seahunt.imat.com Christopher Michael Joslyn (chrisj@pvi.com) wrote: -> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/autoconf.h is created after you do a make -> config in the /usr/src/linux directory. The kernel uses it, as well as -> some other applications, to know how the kernel is configured. There are -> two ways it can be removed, one is to explicitly remove it and the other -> is to do a make mrproper in the /usr/src/linux directory [can we get this -> changed anyone?]. You will need to do a make config again to recreated it. Aha! Thanks much! I was in the habit of doing a make mrproper and a make clean after compiling and installing new kernels. No WONDER autoconf.h didn't exist when config.h went looking for it! I have one now... thanks again! -- Michael Nelson nelson@seahunt.imat.com San Francisco, CA FAX: 1-415-621-2608 ------------------------------ From: xxviper@med.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) Subject: Term - Periodic traffic generation Date: 23 Sep 1994 12:57:07 GMT Is there a way to make term generate traffic periodically? The problem I have is the timeout on the dial-in modem is small, so if I get in the shower or go to lunch right before a tupload ends, the modem times out and closes connection, thus I have to restart everything more often then I'd like. If there is not a way to do this, is there a tping or other sort of utility avaiable, that I can throw in a script to periodically ping my router on the net end? I think this would solve the problem, too. Thanks! -- ==================================================================== Christopher Herringshaw Networking and Special Projects Division Medical Center Information Technology (MCIT) xxviper@med.umich.edu University of Michigan Medical Center, B1911 CFOB 1414 Catherine Street, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0704 (313) 747-2778 ==================================================================== ------------------------------ From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz) Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 14:21:47 GMT jeg7e@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Jon Gefaell) writes: >> >>Now gentlemen, it's up to YOU! > > Your tone is rude and arrogant, your assumptions flawed, >your experience obviously limited. When I need a hammer, I use one. >When I need a toaster, likewise. What sort of tool would recommend to end this thread? -- -Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer ------------------------------ From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:09:24 GMT Joshua R. Poulson (jrp@widcat.Widener.EDU) wrote: : In a environment like that you have the money to buy a machine with : more I/O bandwidth than a PC to do the job. PC's are laughable when : it comes to serious I/O. Im wondering about this. In general you're certainly right. But what about the top of the line Intel Machines (as sold by Compaq and others)? Given that they carry price tags of $10000 and more, how does their I/O capability compare to workstations? If these do not give decent I/O, where does all the money go (other than into compaq's pockets)? --> Robert ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc From: rjs@a.cs.okstate.edu (STOLFA ROLAND JOSE) Subject: Re: Royal Computers - How are hey in general and with Linux? Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:52:18 GMT In article <35fhje$9dg@pluto.njcc.com>, Brian Kramer wrote: > >Has anyone had experience with Royal Electronics in Industry, CA? Just to add my $0.02 to this, I have a Royal box at home. When I received it, the system had obviously not been burnt in. The monitor (still packed with the original tape) had several LARGE color distortions and was wholely unacceptable. Furthermore, the 3.5" floppy drive controller cable *wasn't even plugged in*! After calling them several times (over a period of 3 weeks while they kept asking me to find someone locally to verify what my own eyes were showing in regards to the monitor), I finally talked them into replacing the monitor. After this rather major incident, I was not impressed. Since then, I have had the power switch on the front of the case fail on several ocasions (I'm about to go to Ace and just get a cluggy switch to replace the acursed thing). Once I got it turned on, I've vowed to just use my power strip to turn it on and off. :-/ >How are their systems, service, etc? All in all, I was *NOT* impressed. Roland Stolfa Internet: rjs@a.cs.okstate.edu Computer Science Department 219 Math Sciences Building Disclaimer: You've lost your mind Oklahoma State University if you think anyone Stillwater OK 74078-0599 speaks for this place! ------------------------------ From: d91a1bo@Lima.meryl.csd.uu.se (Alexander Bottema) Subject: Re: Don't use Linux; it's too academic! Date: 23 Sep 1994 07:46:00 GMT > If someone wants to do word processing, then Linux clearly isn't the first > choice. TeX is an 80s-style typesetter. Like looking at WordPerfect in ------------------------------ Well, there's is LaTeX2e and LaTeX2e is clearly NOT an 80s-style typesetter. It's a 90s-style typegrapher. -- Alexander Jean-Claude Bottema, Email: d91a1bo@meryl.csd.uu.se University of Uppsala, Computing Science Department. #include LINUX,GCC,Eiffel,Haskell,ML,CAML-light,Prolog http://www.csd.uu.se/~d91a1bo/ LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************