From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 17:13:21 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #815 Linux-Misc Digest #815, Volume #2 Sat, 24 Sep 94 17:13:21 EDT Contents: Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux (Trent Piepho) Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux (Trent Piepho) Re: Royal Computers - How are hey in general and with Linux? (Craig) Re: IP Addresses For Standalone LAN (Al Longyear) Re: Linux on a 386 (davidsen@tmr.com) Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux) (amullick@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu) Mosaic for Linux? (Luis Mirantes) Linux install questions (Luis Mirantes) Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Larry Pyeatt) Support for CD-ROM hosted by sound card (Jean Daigle) Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux (David E. Fox) Re: Linux on 40,000 FREE(ish) CD's (Rasta Smurf) Re: reccomend a CD-ROM? (Joe Pannon) Re: Where do I get doom1.wad (Andrew Robert Ellsworth) Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (System Administrator) Re: C++ fabs() not defined in g++??? (pommnitz%prometheus.heidelbg.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com) Re: *** LINUX BOXES FOR ONLY 100 ECUs!! BUY BUY BUY!! *** (jon m) More Memory? (G. Browning) Re: Biostar motherboards any good? (Kenneth Crudup) Re: *** LINUX BOXES FOR ONLY 100 ECUs!! BUY BUY BUY!! *** (Anthony Lovell) Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Erik Ratcliffe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: xyzzy@u.washington.edu (Trent Piepho) Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran Subject: Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux Date: 22 Sep 1994 21:59:42 GMT In article , Mitchell R Grunes wrote: >>In <35iu09$1l4@news.u.washington.edu> xyzzy@u.washington.edu (Trent Piepho) >>writes: >>routines in libm. Does anyone know if getting 80-bit numbers ( and >>exponentation ) from f2c+gcc+linux is possible??? What if I write 80-bit >>libm routines? > >There may be another approach, since someone did once post >the following message: [message about multi precision library deleted] I'm not sure if this will work for me. I'm trying to speed the program up, and using more precision causes it to converge faster. The multi-precision functions are probably so much slower than the native machine instructions that any speed gain from fewer iterations will be lost. Since the x87 does all its math at 80-bits internally anyway, using 80-bit numbers will just increase load/store operations a little. ------------------------------ From: xyzzy@u.washington.edu (Trent Piepho) Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran Subject: Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux Date: 22 Sep 1994 22:01:53 GMT In article <1994Sep19.152759.615@rzu-news.unizh.ch>, Serge Pachkovsky wrote: >Anselm Lingnau (lingnau@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de) wrote: > >: Please consider also that FORTRAN, at least the obsolete version that >: f2c is supposed to compile, *requires* DOUBLE PRECISION variables to >: occupy twice as much storage as REAL variables (or, incidentally, as > >Fortran-90 requires that as well: > >14.6.3.1 Storage sequence > >.... >(1) A nonpointer scalar object of type default integer, default real or >default logical occupies a single {\bf numeric storage unit} > >(2) A nonpointer scalar object of type double precision real or default >complex occupies two contiguos numeric storage units. >.... What if my program doesn't use any REALs or complex numbers? It has integers of course, and I can't make them 40-bit. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc From: tracker@netcom.com (Craig) Subject: Re: Royal Computers - How are hey in general and with Linux? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:52:16 GMT Larry Doolittle (doolitt@recycle.cebaf.gov) wrote: : money back guarantee. Has Royal learned to use heat sink compound : (when they install heat sinks on processors) yet? Using the heat sink compound with a cpu cooling fan on Intel cpu's voids the Intel 5 year warranty. Best to use clip-on cpu cooling fans to not void the Intel warranty. -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= // Only believe in quality: \\ \\ 1)AT&T, Motorola/Codex, Multi-Tech, // // Telebit, ZyXEL. \\ \\ 2)Untouchable, Dr. Solomon's AVTK, // // AVP, F-Prot, TBAV. \\ =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= ------------------------------ From: longyear@netcom.com (Al Longyear) Subject: Re: IP Addresses For Standalone LAN Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:35:32 GMT dangit@netcom.com (Lam Dang) writes: >I have set up an IP net of several nodes at home. Following general >conventions, they're given the addresses 192.0.0.1, 192.0.0.5, and >192.0.0.9. At least one of these addresses (.1) already exists on the >Internet. If this one is connected via PPP to a node on the Internet, it >must be given another address to avoid confusion. >Are there IP addresses set aside for standalone LANs? Where are they >documented? From RFC 1597 . . . . 3. Private Address Space The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the following three blocks of the IP address space for private networks: 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 We will refer to the first block as "24-bit block", the second as "20-bit block, and to the third as "16-bit" block. Note that the first block is nothing but a single class A network number, while the second block is a set of 16 contiguous class B network numbers, and third block is a set of 255 contiguous class C network numbers. An enterprise that decides to use IP addresses out of the address space defined in this document can do so without any coordination with IANA or an Internet registry. The address space can thus be used by many enterprises. Addresses within this private address space will only be unique within the enterprise. -- Al Longyear longyear@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: davidsen@tmr.com Subject: Re: Linux on a 386 Date: 20 Sep 1994 18:42:43 -0400 In article , Rusty Chris wrote: : :I`m running 1.1.22 on a 386sx 16, with 8MB. before i "acquired" the 8 :MB, though, I always got the kernel panic stuff when i tried to install. :it`s not too terribly slow, but big compiles, like the kernel, still take :a good hour or two. BTW, i`m looking to upgrade- does anyone have :an idea of which would be better: a 486slc40 or a 386dx40 w/CP ? :i`m sure it depends a lot on the applications, but does anyone have a :general idea? I would avoid the slc and go for a dlc. The dlc is quite a bit faster than the dx40, by about 40%. I don't have the numbers here, but when I built a machine for my wife I use a 486dlc40 and checked it against my own 386dx40. I have a whole stack of old motherboards I'm waiting to give away to a deserving organization, some 386dx40s, a 386sx16 like yours, and a 386dx16 from my original 1986 "first 386 in town" system. That should give you an idea of my personal opinion is about their speed ;-) -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs.scsi From: amullick@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 23:49:52 GMT About a week ago, I posted requesting information about the experiences of the Net regarding SCSI/IDE combinations in general, and specifically in regard to MS-DOS/Windows and Linux setups. Though the original query went out in a couple of different forms to a number of different lists and groups, this single summary is being cross-posted to those newsgroups. I received responses from a number of people, and while a few indicated that problems would abound, most agreed that this setup was generally problem free. Specifically, of those with Buslogic and Adaptec 1522 SCSI controllers not one reported problems. One person who has a Trantor 130B indicates that while it works, it is very difficult to configure. While obvious to many, conflicts between address and IRQ spaces between IDE and SCSI controllers were mentioned often. One person suggested a combination IDE & SCSI controller but provided no more specifics (anyone have a specific one in mind?) Two or three people report being able to boot MS-DOS off of the SCSI drive but most indicated that booting off of the IDE would be the only workable solution. One suggested that connecting the IDE drive to the middle connector on the ribbon cable connecting it to the controller would enable it to be the D: drive and the SCSI drive the C: drive. As far as booting Linux, consenus seems to be that LILO needs to be on the IDE drive and everything else can be anywhere. As far as contact information goes, I got Adaptec info from the SCSI FAQ but can't locate Buslogic info...anybody? I thank those who responded and if anybody has anything to add either followup to this summary or email me. Apu amullick@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu -- =============================================================================== Apu..............................................amullick@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu WARNING: I DISCRIMINATE E-mail is dealt with immediately; Snail mail, if I have nothing to do (never) or I'm bored (sometimes) ------------------------------ From: lmirante@mason1.gmu.edu (Luis Mirantes) Subject: Mosaic for Linux? Date: 23 Sep 1994 00:34:23 GMT Is there a version of Mosaic, or similar program that'll run under XFree? Luis. ------------------------------ From: lmirante@mason1.gmu.edu (Luis Mirantes) Subject: Linux install questions Date: 23 Sep 1994 00:43:59 GMT Since I've installed the Slackware distribution of Linux in my machine I haven't been able to polish a few problems, mainly these two: 1 - I can't mount the CDROM (a 2X NEC connected to a or Audio Spectrum Sound Card SCSI port.) 2 - I get disconnected a few seconds after I connect to my school account using Seyon. I'm using a Hayes Optima 28.8. Any help will be apprecited, Luis. ------------------------------ From: pyeatt@cervesa.cs.colostate.edu (Larry Pyeatt) Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:08:18 GMT In article <35vean$cnj@mark.ucdavis.edu>, broadley@turing.ucdavis.edu (Bill Broadley) writes: |> |> : 2. SGI Indy does not cost ~3 times more than a top of the line DELL. |> : Let's look at the numbers, shall we: |> |> : Dell XPS 90, 16Meg ram, 17" monitor, #9 graphics card, |> : CD Rom Drive, 1G IDE disk, ethernet card, 3 year warranty. |> : Price: ~$4400 |> |> Funny in my 2 month old magazine I see a DELL P-90, 16 MB ram, 17" monitor, |> #9 2 MB vram card (250k xstones), 1 GB disk, 3*cdrom for |> $3899. I'm sure the ethernet card doesn't cost $500 You are free to call Dell and check my price. I did call them. You have two choices for ethernet cards. I went with the slow one. ------------------------------ From: jaydee@thor.ats.qc.ca (Jean Daigle) Subject: Support for CD-ROM hosted by sound card Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 16:44:08 GMT I have recently acquired a CD-ROM based distribution of Linux (Walnut Creek). My system is somewhat out of date (AMD 386DX40..., ), and underconfigured (quaint 170MB IDE drive...). Fortunately, there is the luxury of consulting the expertise out in netland before purchasing additional hardware. Two upgrade paths seem feasible: 1) Sound card with CD-ROM support; appropriate CD-ROM drive; 2nd large IDE hard drive 2) SCSI host adaptor; SCSI CD-ROM drive; large SCSI hard drive Option 1 is more appealing with the added functionality of a sound card, and probably lower cost. Option 2 would be higher performance, and components could eventually migrate to subsequent non-PC platforms. The Linux FAQ and HOWTO's have been very helpful in cataloging supported hardware, but there are a few points that need clarification. In particular, I am wondering whether there is current, alpha, or planned support for CD-ROM hosted by the Gravis UltraSound MAX card? Are there any strong testimonials for other sound card/CD-ROM combinations? The HOWTO's explicitly state support for ProAudio Spectrum and various Sound Blaster products. I have no special requirements for sound card features, aside from an aversion to conspicuously obsolete technology. Thanks in advance for any info. Cheers, Jean. ================================================================= | Jean Daigle ATS Aerospace Inc. | | Software Designer 1250 Boul Marie-Victorin | | St. Bruno, QC J3V 6B8 | | jaydee@ats.qc.ca Tel: (514) 441-9000 Fax: (514) 441-6789 | ================================================================= ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran From: root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox) Subject: Re: 80-bit floats with f2c and linux Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 04:41:05 GMT Dan Pop (danpop@cernapo.cern.ch) wrote: : If you think that the extra bits of precision/exponent are worth the : effort, try it. But you'll have to do a lot of work testing the : correctness and consistency of your changes. Doesn't the coprocessor do all arithmetic internally in 80 bits already? If so, the question then becomes whether or not it is prudent to keep around the extra bits from the 80 bit internal operation when stored in variables. I think you can use 80-bit values (tenbytes) directly but you need to drop to some inline asm to accomplish it, since the language doesn't support it directly. -- David Fox root@belvedere.sbay.org 5479 Castle Manor Drive San Jose, CA 95129 Thanks for letting me change 408/253-7992 magnetic patterns on your hard disk. ------------------------------ From: rsmurf@ritz.mordor.com (Rasta Smurf) Subject: Re: Linux on 40,000 FREE(ish) CD's Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 02:25:50 GMT What issue of PC PLUS is it, I looked at the Sept. 1994 issue and I didn't see any mention of Linux on the CD, or an article in the magazine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ From: danubius@chinook.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon) Subject: Re: reccomend a CD-ROM? Date: 24 Sep 1994 18:40:45 GMT In article <35vgorINNfsj@afshub.boulder.ibm.com>, Andrew T. Brown wrote: >Hello, > >I was wondering if someone could reccomend a CD-ROM drive for use >with Linux. I also want to use this drive under MS-DOS and OS/2. >I'm looking for a 3x or 4x speed w/ a SCSI-2 interface. It will be >used w/ a SoundBlaster 16 w/ SCSI-2 interface. I hope the answers to this request will not be by e-mail 'cause there may be many of us interested in the same question. So let's hear about preferred CD-ROM/Sound card combos with SCSI-2 interface. Joe Pannon ------------------------------ From: are1@ritz.cec.wustl.edu (Andrew Robert Ellsworth) Subject: Re: Where do I get doom1.wad Date: 23 Sep 1994 01:45:50 -0500 In article , Paul Julie wrote: >I downloaded the X version of DOOM for linux. However, I don't have >the DOOM1.WAD shareware file. Where do I get this???? Someone upped a copy of it on wuarchive.wustl.edu (bless them), so if you don't want to peruse thru sunsite's multitudinous files, you can find it in /pub/linux/doom1wad.tgz. (Sorry, but if I attached a > 2MB file to this message, it would make a lot of people angry...) Andy Ellsworth are1@cec.wustl.edu (INSERT CREATIVE FOOTER HERE) ------------------------------ From: root@jaguar.tigerden.com (System Administrator) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:04:26 GMT DABOUS@CHIP.FNAL.GOV wrote: : Hello everyone, [ Text deleted] : Said that, I am having problems with telnet an MTU sizes. If I : telnet/ftp to my Linux box from a remote site, I find my sessions _sometimes_ : hang up. ifconfig shows that some packets have been dropped. Reading some : documentation, I found out that this is a fragmentation problem that is : being worked on in Net-2E. I choose mtu with different sizes, but I guess : the best that can work for me is 576 (though this still breaks.) I am : running v1.1.48 and using SLIP protocol. : The problem gets much worse and freeze much quicker if you telnet : to your Linux machine, and then from your Linux machine you telnet/ftp to : some other machine. : I've seen this problem being reported several times on Linux : newsgroups, but no one had given an answer to it. I have programming : experiecne and I would like to help in solving it. We have had a similar probem. We are running slip to our internet provider, and intermittantly experience telnet lockups during logins. The system either 1) refuses connections 2) accepts the connection, but just sits 3) provides a login prompt, takes input, and never gives the password prompt (ususally creating a login zombie in the process). This is our singularly most vexing problem. It has been present since the first <1.0 kernel we used (now 1.1.45). Anyone else seeing such behaviour? -- George Nemeyer (tigerwolf@tigerden.com) Systems Administrator Tigerden.com ------------------------------ From: pommnitz%prometheus.heidelbg.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: C++ fabs() not defined in g++??? Date: 23 Sep 1994 11:18:37 GMT Reply-To: pommnitz%prometheus.heidelbg.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com In <1994Sep21.064430.5715@stevegd.equinox.gen.nz> steve@stevegd.equinox.gen.nz (Stephen Gourdie) writes: >compiling the above with the command line > >g++ -lm -o test test.cc How about: g++ -o test test.cc -lm Best regards Joerg ================================================================================ Joerg Pommnitz, ARTe Team, IBM Scientific Center Heidelberg, Germany Mail1: pommnitz%prometheus.heidelbg.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com Mail2: jpo@vnet.ibm.com Tel. : Germany (06221) 59 3609 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: *** LINUX BOXES FOR ONLY 100 ECUs!! BUY BUY BUY!! *** From: icqo409@iupui.edu (jon m) Date: 22 Sep 94 14:37:47 -0500 In article , Pete Chown wrote: >(An ECU - a European Currency Unit - is worth roughly the same as a US >dollar, in case that was the only reason you read this article... :-) yup! so, someone's selling linux boxes for 100 bucks!!!!!!!!!!! i'm next in line! >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Pete.Chown@dale.dircon.co.uk "The Pen is mightier than the Quill" > -- anonymous jon -- jon madison oit consultant in training ------------------------------ From: gbrownin@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu (G. Browning) Subject: More Memory? Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 20:12:39 GMT Hello, I currently have 32 Megs of actual RAM and have a 50 meg swap partition and I was wondering if expanded memory boards would work with linux. Basically, I want to have a LARGE amount of actual RAM for many services that are planned for our linux box. Basically, I would like to have somewhere around 64 megs + of ram (the computer is maxed with 32 megs extended). Second topic,whenever I connect to my linux box from an old version of PCTCP (2.05) it says it is connecting using 7 data bits but when I connect to other linux boxes it reports using 8 data bits.. how did mine get changed?? (i am using linux kernel 1.1.51) Third topic, quota.. has quota been implemented for the newer kernel versions? I have 1.1.51 and want to use quota again. Thanks -Gary R. Browning Indiana University South Bend ------------------------------ From: kenny@panix.com (Kenneth Crudup) Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc Subject: Re: Biostar motherboards any good? Date: 24 Sep 1994 13:26:57 -0400 In article <3600jn$rc4@perot.mtsu.edu>, csjohn@perot.mtsu.edu (John Wallace) says: >Are Biostar motherboards any good? They use the Bioteq chipset. I used one under OS/2 2.1 for quite some time- had to give it up 'cause the clone system MB I had didn't busmaster on the VLB slots. -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup, Unix Software Consultant, Scott County Consulting kenny@world.std.com (kenny@panix.com) +1 617 524 5929/4949 Home/Office 16 Plainfield St, Boston, MA 02130-3633 +1 617 983 9410 Fax On "panix" temporarily while my regular IP gets over growing pains. OS/2 it! ------------------------------ From: alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk (Anthony Lovell) Subject: Re: *** LINUX BOXES FOR ONLY 100 ECUs!! BUY BUY BUY!! *** Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 16:31:44 GMT Joshua R. Poulson (jrp@widcat.Widener.EDU) wrote: : In article , : >(An ECU - a European Currency Unit - is worth roughly the same as a US : >dollar, in case that was the only reason you read this article... :-) : And here I thought it was a bird on the endangered species list. :) I don't know about that, but as a Currency it's on the endangered list -- anthony ============================================================================== alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk | If at first you don't succeed PGP Key available from a server | alovell@cix.compulink.co.uk | Get a Bigger Hammer ============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: erat@netcom.com (Erik Ratcliffe) Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 19:55:36 GMT Guy Bobenrieth (guy@lmias6.u-strasbg.fr) wrote: : I'm looking for informations about this CD ans its quality : Thanks for sending them to me : contains, installation, ... I bought the Summer 1994 edition of "Plug-and-Play" and used it for a few months (I have since bought a 420 meg hard drive and don't need the CD stuff anymore). I think it's an alright setup, but it's slow (at least on my double speed CDROM drive) and it can't seem to install packages from the control panel in X-Windows like it says it can. I don't know why this is; I just never had any luck making it work. Also, the hard drive installation options are quite limited. The Summer 1994 edition offered three options: cd_dependent (4 megs) System runs from the CD, but files/configurations you create are stored on the HD custom (35 megs) Small set of programs, including a minimal X-Windows setup, are stored on the HD. Supposedly the X "control panel" lets you install other packages, but it never worked for me... standard (600 megs) Supposed to be only 300 megs, but the Yggdrasil guys changed it at the last minute to include storage of all the source code (compressed) in the HD installation. This setup contains pretty much every- thing that's on the CD. complete (1 gig) Everything on the CD; source code decompressed. The programs that are included on this CD pretty much cover everything you'd need for a solid Linux system: X-Windows (along with a slew of graphic editors, games, graphic file viewers, multimedia mail, on and on), emacs, TeX, Ghostscript, gcc, communication software (minicom, xc, rz/sz, seyon, kermit), mail readers (elm, pine, mail, smail/rmail), newsreaders (tin, nn), UUCP stuff, TCP/IP networking stuff, ftp, gopher, yadda yadda yadda... You name it, it's there. If only there were options to install by package instead of the above CD dependencies... The distribution could use a bit of work. But for systems that only have about 40 megs to dedicate to Linux, the Plug-and-Play CD is a fairly good option. It needs some tweaking, but it gives you access to programs that you would otherwise not have access to without lots of hard drive space. Hell, it's only about $25... -- | (0)(0) erat@netcom.com | "Drink up... Happy Hour is | | (oo) Greetings from fragrant | now enforced by law." | | =\/= Old Town Alexandria, VA (USA) | -- Dead Kennedys | ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************