From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 02:13:13 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #825 Linux-Misc Digest #825, Volume #2 Mon, 26 Sep 94 02:13:13 EDT Contents: Re: Linux AMD Problems---WHICH AMD? (Robert Ashcroft) Re: reccomend a CD-ROM? (Jeff Kesselman) Re: Novell unveils plan for Corsair (H. Peter Anvin) Re: News readers for SL/ip (Mike Castle) Re: Scanning with Linux? (Russell Nelson) Re: Linux & Netware. (Mark Levy) Re: Can't get TERM to work (Kevin Lentin) Editors/WordProcessors for Linux ("S. Troughton") Damn X-aware xterms!!! (Alex Ramos) Re: Does Linux detect parity NMI? (R. Andrew Reynolds) sqrt function undefined? (Kenneth R Whittaker) Re: Yggdrasil Sum94 CD (jschmidt@renoir.cftnet.com) Re: GCC (templates) on Linux (NightHawk) [Q] Linux DOOM under xdm... (George Shin) Re: Premiere PCI/II BIOS (DTMF) Re: 10 Mb/s DMA on Adaptec 1542CF ? G486HVL Mb. (Chris Smith) Apple IIgs floppies (Pat St. Jean) Re: XFree86 patch for DOOM 320x200 doublescan (Trent Piepho) Unix EXPO (Was: Re: New Jersey Linuxers?) (Michael K. Johnson) SLIP problems solved and some tips offered (Shan Zhu) Which distributors to use (Pascal Cleve) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) Subject: Re: Linux AMD Problems---WHICH AMD? Date: 25 Sep 1994 22:31:36 GMT In article , Frank B. Brokken wrote: >rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes: > >>Could you perhaps be a little more clear by what you mean by AMD? >>The subject line seems to imply a problem with AMD chips, but your >>post seems to have nothing to do with AMD chips. > >>So far as I know, AMD chips work fine with Linux (I have one myself >>with zero problems). What is this other AMD? >Hm, > What's an AMD chip ? Any way, I always use AMD to mean Auto Mount Daemon. > In that meaning: we have coupled some 5 linux boxes using NFS mounting > each other's root directory, with amd managing the mounting process. > No problems, whatsoever, and we're doing it for quite some time now. You must be joking. AMD as in AMD 486 DX2/66, etc. As in competitor to Intel. RNA ------------------------------ From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) Subject: Re: reccomend a CD-ROM? Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 21:54:53 GMT In article <361rrd$4kn@news.halcyon.com>, Joe Pannon wrote: >In article <35vgorINNfsj@afshub.boulder.ibm.com>, >Andrew T. Brown wrote: >>Hello, >> >>I was wondering if someone could reccomend a CD-ROM drive for use >>with Linux. I also want to use this drive under MS-DOS and OS/2. >>I'm looking for a 3x or 4x speed w/ a SCSI-2 interface. It will be >>used w/ a SoundBlaster 16 w/ SCSI-2 interface. > >I hope the answers to this request will not be by e-mail 'cause there >may be many of us interested in the same question. > >So let's hear about preferred CD-ROM/Sound card combos with SCSI-2 >interface. > >Joe Pannon Okay. I am very happy with my SB AWE32 and a sony cd-33a cd-rom drive. (The 33a is basicly a cheap OEM version of the 31a. I bought mean in a 'MEDIA MAGIC' package for $129.00!) ------------------------------ From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin) Subject: Re: Novell unveils plan for Corsair Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 01:17:26 GMT Followup to: <35po5a$l4a@dodge.eng.sc.rolm.com> By author: amak@clipper.robadome.com In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc > > Page 5 Communications Week Sept 19, 1994 > > Title: Novell Product Plan Begin Trickling Out > > "Advance Client Services, the official name for the project also known as > Corsair and Ferret, will ship next year, Novell said. It will be > demonstrated for the first time at Steward Alsop's Agenda conference this > week in Phoenix, said Richard King, executive vice president of the NetWare > System Group." > Hot damn. Thought they'd killed that project. /hpa -- INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu --- Allah'u'abha --- IBM MAIL: I0050052 at IBMMAIL HAM RADIO: N9ITP or SM4TKN FIDONET: 1:115/511 or 1:115/512 STORMNET: 181:294/1 or 181:294/101 Id imperfectum manet dum confectum erit. ------------------------------ From: mcastle@umr.edu (Mike Castle) Subject: Re: News readers for SL/ip Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:31:58 GMT In article <362pu8$t7t@ionews.io.org>, Ian Colquhoun wrote: >Are there any news readers for Linux (or any other UNIX) that reads news >more like Trumpet for Windows does? Having to wait while TIN or TRN reads >the entire newsgroups file via NNTP over a 14.4K link is a bit ridiculous! At present, no. Evidently trumpet cheats a little, and either doesn't get all the information it needs or stores it between runs and updates it when you're busy doing something else (such as reading an article). This data includes information such as moderation status of a group, and can only be obtained by getting a copy of the active file. Wayne Davison, author of trn, is working on extending to NNTP protocol to make it SLIP friendly; mail him if you'd like to beta test trn 3.6. It will require changes to the NNTP server, though, so you'll need cooperation at that end. mrc -- Mike Castle .-=NEXUS=-. Life is like a clock: You can work constantly mcastle@cs.umr.edu and be right all the time, or not work at all mcastle@umr.edu and be right at least twice a day. -- mrc We are all of us living in the shadow of Manhattan. -- Watchmen ------------------------------ From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Subject: Re: Scanning with Linux? Date: 22 Sep 1994 01:24:13 GMT In article <35k0c6$qib@virgo.cc.gatech.edu> byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes: 1.1 The misconception of TWAIN compliancy ----------------------------------------- One of the comments I often see is "If we write a TWAIN driver then all scanners will work..." Unfortunately this is an incorrect assertion. TWAIN is a standard that the scanner manufacurers came up with to provide a common, standard interface between their scanners and the DOS/Windows applications that use them. Quick Picture: Okay, so why can't we design a similar interface, so that manufacturers can port their TWAIN driver? -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions From: mhlevy@tyrell.net (Mark Levy) Subject: Re: Linux & Netware. Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 01:13:59 GMT In article , Joao de Souza wrote: >Hi all. > > I am running on a Novell Netware / IBM Token Ring network, >and I was hoping (sp?) to start running Linux on at least one of >our machines as a test. So the question is: Does Linux support >Netware and Token Rings? I can't speak for the Linux being able to support token ring (I haven't been using it for very long) but there is no problem in using Netware & IP on the same network, provided that you are using Netware v3x or v4x (no IP support on Netware v2x). If Linux doesn't support TR, you're still OK, because your Netware server will act as an IP router (see above). Just put a supported ethernet board in the Linux box, put on in the Netware server, and enable IP (load the TCPIP.NLM, with the option forward=yes). You will need some extra memory in the server (TCPIP.NLM also loads SNMP.NLM, STREAMS, CLIB, TLI, IPXS, AFTER311) so be sure that you have enough memory to support it (about an additional 2MB). You will also (probably) want to increase the minimum an maximum packet receive buffers if you are using v3.11. If you are on 3.12 or 4.x, you should be OK. You should be aware that your Netware server will act as an IP router out of the box, but that's it. If you want to do files sharing or printing you will need to buy extra stuff. If you have any other questions, feel free to email me. Mark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Levy CN[EI] - mhlevy@tyrell.net CI$ 72450,3217 SYSOP of KLUDGE - A Novell-DOS-UNIX Support BBS (816)246-4375 ------------------------------ From: kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lentin) Subject: Re: Can't get TERM to work Date: 22 Sep 1994 01:39:43 GMT Lars L. Madsen (madsen@polymer.ucsb.edu) wrote: > Do any of you know what this means ? I have started term with the > -l $HOME/tlog but the tlog file is empty. I have also tried to run > linecheck and it completes without any problems, ie. no ignore/escape > characters. Although I doubt this is your problem, try escape/ignore 17 and 19 anyway. I ran linecheck and nothing out of the ordinary was printed. But term just wouldn't work. Seemed that the XON/XOFF between the modems was kicking in with large packets only and linecheck doesn't seem to use large packets so it only died when it was working hard. -- [==================================================================] [ Kevin Lentin |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\__/~\__/~\_| ] [ kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au |___/~\/~\_____/~\______/~\/~\__| ] [ Macintrash: 'Just say NO!' |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\____/~~\___| ] [==================================================================] ------------------------------ From: Stuart@trognet.demon.co.uk ("S. Troughton") Subject: Editors/WordProcessors for Linux Reply-To: Stuart@trognet.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:53:43 +0000 Hi all, I am new to using Linux and I was wondering what editors/wordprocessors exists. The ones I know about (came with the Slackware distribution) are Emacs (several variants), TeX (lots of different macros), Jove, ed and elvis. I have also invested in Crsip (not working yet). This is a request for opinions, not arguements, directions on how to get something, nor am I asking for a guide to the use of a particular piece of software. All I really want is a list of all the packages that run under Linux so I can make a choice. TIA -- Wot! No sig? Na, I ain't interested in nufing. BFB ------------------------------ From: ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos) Subject: Damn X-aware xterms!!! Date: 20 Sep 1994 01:22:41 GMT Yeah I know an xterm is "X-aware" by definition... but maybe someone knows what I'm talking about: On slackware2.0 Linux, it's impossible to paste between xterms, because whenever you click on one, it emulates arrow keys instead of highlighting for pasting. How do I disable such an annoying (argghh) "feature"? Thanks. -- Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/ Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine ------------------------------ From: reynolds@ug.cs.dal.ca (R. Andrew Reynolds) Subject: Re: Does Linux detect parity NMI? Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 23:33:48 GMT Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) wrote: : Does Linux detect and handle a memory parity error NMI? : Given empirical evidence that I have, I think the answer : is "NO, Linux just ignores them", but I would like to know : for sure. : Thanks : -- : Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/ : Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine Well, for a while, I was running non parity simms in a 386 that can't disable parity checking. When Linux received the NMI's, it gave me a minor error blurb, and kept on going without a whimper. -- Andrew Reynolds | Reynolds@ug.cs.dal.ca 01rynlds@ac.dal.ca | "400=400" Dalhousie CS | "I'm just a guppy in a sea of sharks." | -L. Rolston, 1992 ------------------------------ From: krw@sprint.uccs.edu.uccs.edu (Kenneth R Whittaker) Subject: sqrt function undefined? Date: 25 Sep 1994 23:42:03 GMT I have a problem. #include user sqrt function. When I compile I get /tmp/cca109321.o: Undefined symbol _sqrt referenced from text segment I don't understand it. I included it. Are there some config changes I need to check? I'm using gcc v2.4 under Linux. Any help? Thanks in advance! Ken. -- **************************************************************** * Kenneth R. Whittaker INTERNET: krw@sprint.uccs.edu * **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Sum94 CD From: jschmidt@renoir.cftnet.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:28:58 PDT In article , writes: > > In article <1994Sep6.112126.3309@rdr.com>, wrote: > > > >I recently purchase a new hard drive and went to re-install Linux from the Ygg > >Sum94 CD-ROM and about halfway thru I start getting I/O and time out errors > > ...... deleted .... > > >Is there any way to recover from this or should I just write it off and buy a > >new one? I heard rumors that Yggdrasil has a Fall94 release out but have not > >been able to find out any info on it. > > > > The Fall94 is available from Universal CD-ROM (tm) for store pickup or > mail order worldwide. Cost $34.95 + $3 US Prioirty Shipping or $6 > oversea air mail. > > Universal CD-ROM > 1645 S. Bascom Ave., #7 > Campbell, CA 95008 > Phone/Fax: 408-369-9818 > alte@rahul.net > > Charles > > >Eric > > > -- > End of Note I had similar problems with my CD-ROM drive. I solved it by using my Yggdrasil CD as a coaster and bought a the SLS distribution CD from TransAmeritech. I have not had a SINGLE PROBLEM with it. It installed right out of the box and all I had to do was follow the directions (however minimal) I would suggest also the "Linux Bible; The GNU testament" from Yggdrasil though. Cheers. John S ------------------------------ From: fsosi@j51.com (NightHawk) Subject: Re: GCC (templates) on Linux Date: 26 Sep 1994 00:06:03 -0400 David Fox (fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu) wrote: : In article <360drt$nsl@hydra.cs.unc.edu> rhoades@cs.unc.edu (John Rhoades) writes: : ] Templates sort of work in gcc 2.5.8. I've been using them successfully, but : ] I've had one problem. I have to include the implementation part along with : ] the interface part in every source file. If I don't, I get undefined : ] externals. This slows down compilations quite a bit. Anybody know a way : ] around this? : I believe that this is that standard way of doing things with G++ : templates. I haven't found it inordinantly slow. Are there other : compilers that don't need the implementation in the header file? g++ 2.6.x seems to have -fexternal-templates, which I couldn't get it to work :-(. NH : -- : David Fox xoF divaD : NYU Media Research Lab baL hcraeseR aideM UYN ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom,comp.os.linux.help From: gshin@netcom.com (George Shin) Subject: [Q] Linux DOOM under xdm... Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 04:11:04 GMT Has anyone got the Linux DOOM to work under xdm management? I can get DOOM run just PERFECT under X when started with "startx" but if the X starts with xdm and when i try to start DOOM, two things differ: 1. DOOM cannot start sound driver (it's in path) 2. once started, obviously i get no sound and playable however the background windows all get blacked out whereas under normal "startx" startup X, background windows would sort of get darkened but still readable... Any clues??? I'll have to do some debugging... - george ------------------------------ From: dtmf@indirect.com (DTMF) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Subject: Re: Premiere PCI/II BIOS Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 22:04:22 In article steeg@prl.philips.nl (Patrick vd Steeg) writes: >From: steeg@prl.philips.nl (Patrick vd Steeg) >Subject: Re: Premiere PCI/II BIOS >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 06:36:41 GMT >My computer refused to work with my Conner tape streamer (QIC80) >until I upgraded to Bios rev. 10. After the upgrade everything worked >perfectly!! For me this was the most important reason to upgrade, I >didn't notice any speed difference (I didn't run any benchmarks). >Hope this helps, >Patrick van de Steeg >e-mail: steeg@prl.philips.nl >-- > > Philips Research Laboratories > Building , Prof. Holstlaan 4, 5656 AA Eindhoven, The Netherlands I had the same problem with my Iomega and Colorado 250 QIC-80. Turned out to be software. PC Tools has a Pentium FIX for their software. dtmf ------------------------------ From: csmith@convex.com (Chris Smith) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.cd-rom,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: 10 Mb/s DMA on Adaptec 1542CF ? G486HVL Mb. Date: 25 Sep 1994 23:41:23 -0500 From: Prabhat Keni Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 21:12:36 GMT I have Adaptec 1542CF and only a Toshiba 3401b on it. I have enabled sync negotiation and fast scsi options on this one. 1) Has anyone gotten transfer rates of 10 Mb/s on similar hardware ? 2) Is it normal for ASPI4DOS to take more time for 10 Mb/s while loading. i.e. should I wait a little longer, at the risk of hard disk corruption ? 3) Is there any benchmarking stuff for cd-rom performance in public domain/shareware/copy lefted s/w. 4) Am I missing something ? I have a Tosh 3401 on an Adaptec 1742 along with some other devices, and formerly used it on this same MB. (Dallas summertime + bad air conditioning cooked it, alas.) Anyway, I initially set it to 10 mb/s. This was too greedy. I experienced occasional flakiness -- no error messages, but bad data read from the disk once a week or so. I cut it back to 6.67 mb/sec and have had no more problems. I have since read that the passive termination provided free on the devices is not good enough for reliable operation at 10 mb/s -- this was the problem in my case. The 1742 (and I believe also the 1542) have active termination, but you need it on both ends. A CDROM puts out about 300k/sec, though it bursts faster than that. You're losing absolutely nothing by running the scsi bus at 5. There are CDROM benchmarks for DOS on simtel somewhere (big help, I know). DOS is probably best, you get the raw number, unmodified by OS speedups or slowdowns. I have no idea why ASPI4DOS would hang, but if you really want to work on it, I'd start with the termination and cabling. If there are no disks on the SCSI bus, it's most unlikely that you could get disk corruption. The MB does work at 10 meg/sec, if the scsi bus itself can. I think I used to get something in the 8000's of k/sec from CORETEST, which basically measures the transfer rate from the buffer on the disk. ------------------------------ From: stjeanp@enmu.edu (Pat St. Jean) Subject: Apple IIgs floppies Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 03:56:33 GMT I was wondering if anyone has tried to read a IIgs prodos floppy from a Linux system. I am not even sure if it is possible to do what with the variable speed drive that wrote it (these are 800k floppies). I have some data on a few of these floppies and have no easy access to a IIgs to take it off. Plus, I kinda thought that it would be fun to write a prodos filesystem for my Linux box (just for the heck of it!). But it will be pretty hard if I cannot read the floppy... Thanks in advance! --Pat =========================================================================== Pat St. Jean stjeanp@math.enmu.edu Eastern New Mexico University Systems Administrator www home page --> http://chestnut.enmu.edu/~stjeanp/home.html =========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: xyzzy@u.washington.edu (Trent Piepho) Subject: Re: XFree86 patch for DOOM 320x200 doublescan Date: 22 Sep 1994 03:16:55 GMT In article <35pjo1$9uh@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, Jerod Tufte wrote: >Dick Streefland (dicks@tasking.nl) wrote: >: Peter Bollerman (bollerma@math.ruu.nl) wrote: >: --> In article Jow@tasking.nl, dicks@tasking.nl (Dick Streefland) writes: >: --> [%]I have made a small patch to the XFree86-2.1.1 release which >: --> [%]implements a "doublescan" flag that may be added to a mode line >: --> [%]in Xconfig, just like the "interlace" flag. > >would you be willing to upload this patched server to sunsite or >some such so those of us who also have the card but don't have the >disk space to compile X can try it out? thanks, I would be willing to patch the SVGA server, but I only have 10 megs of disk space left. If I make a patch (can I fit the source in 10 megs) will somebody else compile it for me? ------------------------------ From: johnsonm@nigel.vnet.net (Michael K. Johnson) Subject: Unix EXPO (Was: Re: New Jersey Linuxers?) Date: 21 Sep 1994 20:14:17 GMT info@acc-corp.com (ACC Corp.) writes: The New York City Linux Users group is meeting on Tuesday the 4th of October at Unix Expo at 5.30pm. Unix Expo is one of the two biggest Unix shows in the US, and is being held at the Javits Center at approx 36 St and 11 Ave. Some of you might be interested to know that SSC, the publishers of Linux Journal, has a booth at Unix Expo. Barring disaster, I'll be at Unix EXPO, sometimes talking Linux at the SSC booth, and sometimes wandering around being "press"... :-) Feel free to stop by and chat! michaelkjohnson ------------------------------ From: shanzhu@eesun1.tamu.edu (Shan Zhu) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: SLIP problems solved and some tips offered Date: 26 Sep 1994 00:33:32 GMT Hi, there, I posted some questions regarding the setup of SLIP (with dynamic IP address assignment) using dip a few days ago. Thanks to a lot of friends on the network, the problems are solved. Since I also got several requests for the same problems, I'd like to summarize some important tips for those who are still struggling with their SLIP setups. I think for those who use the terminal servers with static IP address assignment, the setup is quite simple (just get the sample script file and make some modifications). So, here, only the case of dynamic IP address assignment is concerned. To my knowledge, there are two kinds of servers: one automatically (or by some commands) shows the IP address when you dial in. The other one uses BOOTP to send the IP address to the local systems (I believe most servers can also show IP address by some command, such as, "show port alt ip char" on Xyplex terminal servers, though). For those who use the first kind of servers, you can use the command "get $locip remote" (Note: not "get $rmtip remote") to capture the address, or if the IP address is not shown automatically, you should figure out what is the command to let the server show the address (you may need to ask the server managers since sometimes, the command is not that straightforward). For those who use the second type of servers (I mean the servers not willing to show the address except through BOOTP). you may need the package of bootpc.v031.tgz at sunsite.unc.edu:pub/Linux/system/Network/admin. Since I didn't do this, I don't know the details about using BOOTP. For servers which can somehow show the IP address, the following tips may be helpful to setup SLIP. 1. Give a name as the hostname of your local system and setup the domain name, such as tamu.edu in my case, for your local system. 2. Put a name server in /etc/resolve.conf. You can take a look at some existing systems in network for the format. 3. For easier debugging, you can use interactive mode by "dip -t" and "term" to login to your terminal server and try the commands you want to put in your dip script. 4. For those who use modems which need atdt as dial prefix, put an extra "t" before the phone number since current dip uses atd as the prefix (you need to make sure about your dip, though). 5. According to my experience, using "\r" at the end of command lines you send to remote server is better than using "\n". I don't know why. The above procedures are very effective for me. I am not sure they are the same for you, but at least you can try. The following is my script used for a Xyplex server. main: get $local jenny get $remote 128.194.24.175 # Set the desired serial port and speed. port /dev/cua2 speed 38400 reset # Prepare for dialing. # send ATQ0V1E1X1 dial t845-1420 if $errlvl != 0 goto error wait CONNECT 60 if $errlvl != 0 goto error # We are connected. Login to the system. login: send \r\r wait name> 4 if $errlvl != 0 goto error send \r wait word> 4 if $errlvl != 0 goto error send \r wait Choice: 4 if $errlvl != 0 goto error send 1\r loggedin: # Set up the SLIP operating parameters. get $mtu 1006 #you can put something less # Set Destination net/address as type 'default' (vice an address). # This is used by the 'route' command to set the kernel routing table. # Some machines seem to require this be done for SLIP to work properly. # Say hello and fire up! done: wait Xyplex> 4 if $errlvl != 0 goto error send show port alt ip char\r wait Address: 10 get $locip remote 10 if $errlvl != 0 goto error wait Address: 10 get $locip remote 10 if $errlvl != 0 goto error default print CONNECTED to eeslip local at $locip send set port internet slip enable\r mode SLIP goto exit error: print SLIP to $remote failed. err: print I am here. exit: ======================================= Good luck --shan ------------------------------ From: cleve@tiac.net (Pascal Cleve) Subject: Which distributors to use Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 00:34:17 GMT Which distributors would you recommend for Linux. Downloading is not fun. Any horror stories? Should I pick one at random? -- Pascal Cleve cleve@tiac.net ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************