From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 00:13:10 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #835 Linux-Misc Digest #835, Volume #2 Wed, 28 Sep 94 00:13:10 EDT Contents: Maple V for Linux (Steve Weibel) Re: Linux & Netware. (David W Bellizzi) Application oriented languages, Was: Why you should not use Tcl (Paul Budnik) Re: Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux) (Jeff Kesselman) SCO WordPerfect: does it run on Linux? (Jeff Arnholt) Linux & IBM Thinkpad 500? (Phillip Burgess) Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) (Drew Eckhardt) Commercial software for Linux (Miguel A. Rozsas) Re: Maple V for Linux (Ross Niebergall) Re: Maple V for linux! (Ralph T. Muehleisen) Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) (Mats 'MaDsen' Wikholm) Re: LILO (Rutger van de GeVEL) Re: Emacs & latex for thesis (Jeffrey Nipp) pkzip for dos? (DABOUS@CHIP.FNAL.GOV) 16 Port Board: Which model and where?? (Bart Kindt) Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Robert Ashcroft) Re: Time Screws up w/ Linux (Kamal Shaker) Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) (Craig S. Maloney) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: spw@chamois.bu.edu (Steve Weibel) Subject: Maple V for Linux Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:04:16 GMT For those of you interested, this is what I found out about Maple V for Linux. Egads - $595(US)... ======================================================================= Message-Id: Date: 27 Sep 1994 08:18:44 -0500 From: "Stefanie Dietrich" Subject: Re: FWD>Maple for Linux To: "Steve Weibel" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Status: R Waterloo Maple Software RE>FWD>Maple for Linux Dear Steve, **************************************************************** Maple V Release 3 and Linux **************************************************************** Thank you for your message indicating your interest in Maple for Linux. Waterloo Maple Software has recently completed a port to the Linux operating system and the product is now available for shipping. Maple was compiled under Linux kernel 1.0. Disk space use is standard for a UNIX port: 30 MB. If the user is running X and xmaple, then 8 MB of RAM are essential. The academic price for a single copy of Linux is $595.00 (US) If you have any further questions please feel free to contact us. |\^/| Waterloo Maple Software ._|\| |/|_. 450 Phillip Street \ MAPLE / Waterloo, Ontario <____ ____> CANADA N2L 5J2 | Tel: (519) 747-2373 Fax: (519) 747-5284 E-mail: info@maplesoft.on.ca ******************************************************************* ====================================== Date: 9/26/94 09:16 AM To: Stefanie Dietrich From: Info general ====================================== ======================================================================= I don't know... When I can pick up a student version of Mathematica for Windows at the bookstore for $160, I'm tempted to keep my DOS partition. Steve Weibel ------------------------------ From: dbelliz@gomez.sc.intel.com (David W Bellizzi) Subject: Re: Linux & Netware. Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 09:59:42 -0800 I was reading in the NET2 HOWTO that someone has a package out for connecting DOS workstations to Linux /Unix workstation/servers. It was call something like Sams Own Server System (SOSS). I however use Novells LanWorkplace for DOS/Windows which works great. This package lets you telnet/ftp in DOS or Windows and also comes with a host of other utils like rsh. One of the coolest apps it gives you is a Windows drag and drop ftp. To get to Netware from my Linux system I run a small Windows background FTP server which lets me FTP from my Linux system and see all the attached drives of my Windows system. Lan Workplace is buck though..around $300 per node. Hopes this helps out -DB- ------------------------------ From: paul@mtnmath.mtnmath.com (Paul Budnik) Crossposted-To: comp.dsp,comp.lang.c++,gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Application oriented languages, Was: Why you should not use Tcl Date: 27 Sep 1994 12:32:57 -0700 Paul Alexander (pa@mrao.cam.ac.uk) writes: [...] : I am a fairly late convert to the : strengths of multi-language programming in a single application, but : now converted I would never go back to my old ways. It is essential to : remember that most people using computers are not programmers at all; this : is now true even in a physics lab and has been brought about by the excellence : of special purpose languages (mostly now Maple and Mathematica!!). I write : applications for this audience and they demand applications which have : an easy to learn extension language. Tcl is ideal for this, its simplicity : of syntax (it IS for non-programmers who have never seen C!) makes it very : popular among USERS. C++ provides an interesting way to address this. The language is internally extensible. Thus one can define a matrix class and define the standard operators: +, -, * etc to be the standard operations on matrices. That is the approach I adopted in ObjectProDSP. Rather than create a new language for defining Digital Signal Processing (DSP) networks I used the internal extension capabilities of C++. This approach does not force one to use a compiler. I wrote an interpreter for a fragment of C++ that allows one to use this language interactively. Then I provided facilities for creating and editing networks using menus and the mouse. These actions generate statements in this DSP language and those statements are interpreted interactively to create DSP nodes and edit them into a network. A user can start with only knowing about menus and which mouse buttons to click to edit a network. This is all she needs to fully use my tool. If she wants she can quickly come to understand the DSP language statements that are generated (and can be displayed) when she edits a DSP network graphically. In many cases it can be quicker to write this code directly rather then play with the mouse and menus. This code no matter how it is created and no matter how little the user knows about C++ is syntactically correct C++ code. With this approach I have defined an application oriented language that is easy and natural for people working in DSP to understand and use. Because it is done in the framework of C++ it can be extended to support anything that can be supported in C++. If you start with a lesser framework you are almost certainly going to adopt syntax conventions that sooner or later will come to haunt you and limit the extensibility of your language. Of course C++ is not an ideal language and Richard Stallman is critical of its syntax just as he is critical of Tcl. Bjare Stoustup made a deliberate decision in designing C++ to maintain nearly complete upward compatibility with C. The result is a syntax that is not ideal but has been of enormous practical value. C++ may not be the perfect foundation for application oriented languages but it is the best practical foundation we have today. It is a foundation that allows the language to grow indefinitely and still maintain a reasonably clean structure. This is an essential element if a language is to grow over time to include more applications and more sophisticated operations in the applications it addresses. The architecture of ObjectProDSP and ObjectPro++ were designed to support such indefinite extensibility. The challenge is not to provide a language that addresses a single application area but to provide a framework for integrating many application areas so they work together. We need to do this in a way that each application has a language that is natural and intuitive for those working in that area. That is the problem I was addressing and why I choose C++ as a foundation for my application language. Paul Budnik ObjectProDSP and ObjectPro++ are available at: tsx-11.mit.edu directory /pub/linux/packages/dsp SunSITE.unc.edu directory /pub/Linux/devel/opd ftp.funet.fi directory /pub/OS/Linux/util/electronics/opd Please use the mirror site nearest you. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs.scsi From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) Subject: Re: Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 07:46:20 GMT I think I'm 130B user mentioned. I just wanted to note that this was an issue with the ncr5380 driver, NOT with combining the SCSI with the IDE. That combination in general should add no more complexities beyond your making sure that you don't conflict addresses or IRQs (I'm runnign the 130B IRQ-less, so its a non-issue for me...) Jeff Kesselman ------------------------------ From: arnholt@mayo.edu (Jeff Arnholt) Subject: SCO WordPerfect: does it run on Linux? Date: 24 Sep 1994 20:27:53 GMT Reply-To: arnholt@mayo.edu I use WP at work on a SparcStation. I use WP under Windows at home. WP is the only utility I'm missing from my Linux arsenal. Questions: does it run under Linux? What problems have people encountered? Would anybody recommend it? I should sadly note that the Windows version is much faster than the SparcStation (the Sun having >3x mips), but of course not as reliable. I'd guess that SCO WP is like molasses. I'd appreciate any comments, preferably mail (arnholt@mayo.edu) Many thanks. --- Jeff Arnholt: mail arnholt@mayo.edu Mayo Medical and Graduate Schools 200 1st St. SW, Rochester, MN 55905 ------------------------------ From: pburgess@netcom.com (Phillip Burgess) Subject: Linux & IBM Thinkpad 500? Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 07:59:50 GMT Many thanks to all who sent me mail regarding my earlier query regarding Linux and subnotebook machines in general. I've pretty much narrowed my choices to two machines (based mostly on budget): The Toshiba T3400 and the IBM Thinkpad 500. The Toshiba does look good. I've seen it for about $1050 (or $900 for a refurbished unit), it seems peppy & has a good warranty, and most importatly I've heard from someone who is running Linux on it already, so I know that part works. I've seen the Thinkpad 500 for around $1000 ($800 used) in a 4MB/170MB configuration. The cheaper price and extra 50 megs of HD are nice (as is the angular black case), but I have not been able to find one of these machines in person, and I haven't heard from anyone running Linux on this specific Thinkpad model (though the Installation HOWTO does mention Thinkpads in general). I'm mainly concerned with the screen controls, which are buttons rather than sliders, and might be under the influence of software. If you've seen or used Linux on this machine, or just have some more general data you'd be willing to share, e-mail would be infinitely appreciated. -- Phillip Burgess (pburgess@netcom.com) >belch< ------------------------------ From: drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt) Subject: Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:12:03 GMT In article <368s4h$1n7@kubds1.kub.nl>, J.J. Paijmans wrote: >In article <3674l8$5up@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt) writes: >> >>For light beers, I'd have to go with Sierra Nevada Pale, >>the Walnut Brewery's Buffalo Gold Ale, or Breckenridge Brewery's >>India Pale Ale. > >Are those the pilsener type beers? (Lager, I think in Anglo Saxon >speech). Nope, they're all ales (albeit pale ones). -- Since our leaders won't respect The Constitution, the highest law of our country, you can't expect them to obey lesser laws of any country. Boycott the United States until this changes. ------------------------------ From: miguel@dt.fee.unicamp.br (Miguel A. Rozsas) Subject: Commercial software for Linux Date: 27 Sep 1994 11:06:42 -0500 Hi ! I would like to know about commercial software for Linux. I am looking for a SQL Database Manager and a COBOL compiler. Exists in PDS and proprietary solution ? Anyone can point me a anonymous ftp address that have Linux software ? Thanks a lot, ------------------------------ From: rossn@unbc.edu (Ross Niebergall) Subject: Re: Maple V for Linux Date: 27 Sep 1994 13:21:34 -0700 In article <369jag$rp@news.bu.edu> spw@chamois.bu.edu (Steve Weibel) writes: > > >I don't know... When I can pick up a student version of Mathematica for >Windows at the bookstore for $160, I'm tempted to keep my DOS partition. > The student version of Maple for Windows is generally available for CDN$100. You should note that the price that was quoted for Maple for Linux was not the student version. Ross ------------------------------ From: rtm@sabine.acs.psu.edu (Ralph T. Muehleisen) Subject: Re: Maple V for linux! Date: 27 Sep 1994 20:36:13 GMT This is the message I got from maplesoft about Maple V pricing RE>Price and availability of Maple for Linux Maple V for the Linux System became available August 31, 1994. The cost of Maple V is $795.00 (US). Academic discount is $595.00 (US). Linux Requirements: Maple was complied under Linix kernel 1.0. Disk space use is standard for a UNIX port: 30 MB. If the user is running X and xmaple, then 8 MB of RAM are essential. Sincerely yours, Tim Brown, Account Manager Waterloo Maple Software |\^/| 450 Phillip Street ._|\| |/|_. Waterloo, Ontario \ MAPLE / CANADA N2L 5J2 <____ ____> Tel: (519) 747-2373 | 1-800-267-6583 (North America) Fax: (519) 747-5284 Email: tbrown@maplesoft.on.ca --- Ralph Muehleisen Graduate Student in the Graduate Program in Acoustics at Penn State Just learnin' to quiet down ducts... It's a bird! It's a plane! It's a (quack) ... duct! =============================================== Ralph Muehleisen (rtm@sabine.acs.psu.edu) phone (814-865-0422) fax (814-865-3119) =============================================== ------------------------------ From: mwikholm@at8.abo.fi (Mats 'MaDsen' Wikholm) Subject: Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:25:37 GMT In article <368s4h$1n7@kubds1.kub.nl> paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes: >Aside from all that: does anybody know what is involved in getting >bottles with beer to Finland? I understand that the customs over there >put so much tax on it that you'd better invite him over to Holland. >Still I'd want to make a gesture. You might try sending it with the contents described as 'dirty underwear' or something like that, then they wont open the package in customs. Be sure to wrap the bottles up in something so that they don't make any sound (or break) when the package is rattled... :) >(One of the obvious things to work on is electronic transmission >of bottles & alcoholic contents by internet) If you manage this, let me know, cause I'd like to download pizza! (I know there's already the Pizza Hut WWW but they dont deliver to Åbo, Finland :-( ) -- . . . . mwikholm@at8.abo.fi / frantzgatan 3 E 25 . . . @358.(9)21.377.363 / 20380 åbo finland . . Linux, the way to get rid of boot viruses . my homepage ------------------------------ From: gevel@kub.nl (Rutger van de GeVEL) Subject: Re: LILO Date: 27 Sep 1994 10:56:04 GMT Reply-To: rutger@kub.nl Tom Barringer (tomb@bedford.progress.COM) wrote: : In article , cburnett@nvl.army.mil (Chris Burnette) : writes: : |> : |> Anyone know of a way to make LILO boot up DOS on default instead of : |> Linux? : Edit your /etc/lilo.conf file. : The file contains 3-line descriptions of each bootable partition. : (Lines starting with a hash mark '#' are comments.) : The partition listed first is the one which will boot by default. I remember that some old version of lilo had a feature that the last booted operating system would continue to boot until a different OS was selected. The new version of lilo doesn't seem to have this feature any more. I liked this feature, and I would like to use it again: any ideas anyone? -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Hey Worf, have you eaten any good books lately?" - Q in "Deja Q" ST:TNG | | MIME Messages are welcome -- PGP Public Key available via PGP Servers -- | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: jnipp@unix.cc.emory.edu (Jeffrey Nipp) Subject: Re: Emacs & latex for thesis Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:32:33 GMT Ok, so what have we learned here? The software package you are used to is the best package for doing productive work, as long as it can handle the task at hand. Simple enough. TTFN JKN ------------------------------ From: DABOUS@CHIP.FNAL.GOV Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: pkzip for dos? Date: 27 Sep 1994 15:57:05 -0500 Hi All, Does Linux have a utility to pkunzip DOS .zip files? If yes, would you tell what site it is on? Thank you. dabous@fnal.gov ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin From: bart@dunedin.es.co.nz (Bart Kindt) Subject: 16 Port Board: Which model and where?? Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:29:01 GMT Hi! I have to set up a 16 port Dial-In terminal server. For this, I need a Linux compatible 16 (serial) Port PC board. I have read about boards with the name BOCA, but is this the only one I can use? And more important, where can I buy one, as cheap as possible? I am in New Zealand, and they are *not* available here. Any info and suggestions would be very much appreciated! Please reply be E-Mail ! Thanks very much, Bart. ==================================================================================== Bart Kindt (ZL4FOX) System Operator, Efficient Software NZ LTD, Dunedin, New Zealand ==================================================================================== ------------------------------ From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:38:11 GMT Not that I know of. You want to visit a bookstore and get one of the books on Latex and Tex. Which one, I'm not sure, since the book by Leslie Lamport on Latex is a bit useless. RNA In article , Robert Gasch wrote: >All this discussion of Tex is making me curious: Is there an online >tuorial or guide detailing it's features available? > >Thanks for any pointers >--> robert >PS: I know what it is but have no clue how to use it. > > >Robert Ashcroft (rna@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote: >: In article <35r1n8$8e5@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, >: Jeffrey Nipp wrote: >: >The real question is: Why would you want to write a THESIS on emax and >: >latex? There are many comercial products which are much better suited to >: >that particular task which will run native under OS/2 or in a dos or >: >windows box under OS/2 and give much better performance than the unix >: >programs you mention. > >: Uh, I've known numerous people who have written theses, and almost all >: of them used Latex or Tex or something, and most of those used Emacs >: while doing so. The only exception being a marketing weenie I know who >: wrote his thesis in MS Word on a ****ing Macintosh... > >: And I'm using Latex and Emacs (with Auctex! Very nice package that >: more or less integrates the two) for my thesis. > >: I've yet to see nicer looking math output than Tex and Latex. There is >: a ton of stuff available for it too, just check out the Tex newsgroup >: faqs sometime. > >: RNA ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Time Screws up w/ Linux From: shaker@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Kamal Shaker) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 00:00:04 GMT Spencer PriceNash (spencer@montego.umcc.umich.edu) wrote: : In article <1994Sep16.064006.246@huiac.apana.org.au>, : John Pearson wrote: : >adamsvm@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Vaughn Adams) writes: : > : >> I have had this problem for a while and never bothered to resolve it. : >>Now that I need cron, I need to get it fixd. Everytime I boot Linux, my i : >>clock screws up. THe time is always off, but the date is ok. This doesn't : >>happen with any other OS that I have run on the computer. I am runnin : >>Slackware 1.2 with a couple of dirrerent kernels. it seems to be kernel : >>independant. Ha! You think you have problems, everytime I boot to linux it sets the date to April!! I have no idea about this, but OS/2 and Dos don't do anything like this.... Kamal. -- ============================================================================== Kamal Shaker, | cscks@luxor.latrobe.edu.au or shaker@latcs1.lat.oz.au Student Vax Cluster, | %SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, alcohol quota exceeded, La Trobe Uni, | stomach dumped. (Using OS/2 2.1, and loving it!) ------------------------------ From: craig@enterprise (Craig S. Maloney) Subject: Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) Date: 27 Sep 1994 18:13:29 GMT On Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:17:52 GMT David K. Merriman (merriman@metronet.com) wrote the following... :>In article <368s4h$1n7@kubds1.kub.nl> paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes: :>>Aside from all that: does anybody know what is involved in getting :>>bottles with beer to Finland? I understand that the customs over there :>>put so much tax on it that you'd better invite him over to Holland. :>>Still I'd want to make a gesture. :>>(One of the obvious things to work on is electronic transmission :>>of bottles & alcoholic contents by internet) :>You mean uuencoding or MIME don't work? Bummer. :>:-) :>Dave Merriman Best watch out for us Americans... Someone might just MIME over a case of "Miller Lite". (American Term for Beer without the Beer taste) -- Craig ============================================================================= Craig Maloney | Engineering Computer Center Supervisor | Wayne State University PC/Mac Systems, College of Engineering | 5050 Anthony Wayne Drive Internet: craig@enterprise.eng.wayne.edu| Detroit, MI 48202 Phone : 313-577-5789 | USA. Fax : 313-577-5969 | | "Eat Drum, Eat Drum, EAT DRUM!" | -Animal ============================================================================= ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************