From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sat, 1 Oct 94 02:13:09 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #854 Linux-Misc Digest #854, Volume #2 Sat, 1 Oct 94 02:13:09 EDT Contents: Re: Linux goes commercial (Peter Mutsaers) ObjectBuilder problem, ... (Dongxiao Yue) Linux counter: There are 7808 registered Linux users (Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no) New User HOWTO proposal (David K. Merriman) Re: pkzip for dos? (NightHawk) Re: Maple V for linux! (William Huang) Re: Special Sale On QNX! (Aaron K. Michalove) Re: New Linux Distribution (David - Morris) Re: running linux from cdrom (Erik Ratcliffe) Re: New User HOWTO proposal (David K. Merriman) Re: 286 telnet P5 with Linux? (Info Monger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: plm@atcmp.nl (Peter Mutsaers) Subject: Re: Linux goes commercial Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:58:37 GMT >> On 27 Sep 1994 10:54:58 GMT, c-clark@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu (Champ >> Clark) said: CC> My boss swears up and down that he read somewhere that Linux CC> is no longer going to be a "free" (when I say that, I mean, CC> you dont have to buy it.. you can FTP it) anymore. He states CC> that the author (linus) has decided to make "linux" a commerical CC> product. I told him that I though this was odd, and i figured Apperently your boss projects his own evilness on every other person. Apart from that, the whole Linux OS is made up of so many components of so many people that noone could ever decide to make it commercial. It is too much a joint 'net' project/effort. -- Peter Mutsaers | AT Computing bv, P.O. Box 1428, plm@atcmp.nl | 6501 BK Nijmegen, The Netherlands tel. work: +31 (0)80 527248 | tel. home: +31 (0)3405 71093 | "... En..., doet ie het al?" ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: dyue@mega.cs.umn.edu (Dongxiao Yue) Subject: ObjectBuilder problem, ... Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 04:41:30 GMT Hi, folks, I just installed OI for Linux, the thing does not look pretty as a Motif-like application(maybe I do not know where are the resources to set), another serious problem is: with the default settings, all the dialogs do not have a title bar added by the window manager(Fvwm), so i can not move the palete dialog and all the other stuff poped-up. Is there a way to tell the Fvwm to add the title bar? I checked the file uib.cf but found nothing. Dongxiao ------------------------------ From: Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no Subject: Linux counter: There are 7808 registered Linux users Date: 1 Oct 1994 03:00:05 +0100 This is the monthly report from the Linux Usage Counter. It is posted on the 1st of every month on the newsgroup comp.os.linux.misc An uptodate version is always available by anonymous FTP from ftp://aun.uninett.no/pub/misc/linux-counter, together with other reports based on the same material. To enter your registration into the statistics, send an E-mail to linux-counter@uninett.no, with the SUBJECT line being one of I use Linux at home I use Linux at work I use Linux at school The reply will contain information about how to register more information about yourself, your machine and your friends, if you want to. If you can't do FTP, you can get the reports by sending the counter an E-mail containing in the BODY one of the lines //REPORT short //REPORT persons //REPORT machines //HELP Any questions should be adressed to the maintainer of the counter, Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no Good luck! ================================================================= Status of the Linux counter, as of Sat Oct 1 01:01:19 MET 1994 There are 7808 registered Linux users I estimate this as being between 0.2 and 5% of the total number of Linux users, giving the total community size something between 156.160 and 3.904.000 members. See the file README.ESTIMATES for the details of why I think so. PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED ========================== Self Other Sum %Sum Place 5897 85 5982 76% home 1880 48 1928 24% work 225 513 738 9% school 583 52 635 8% somewhere 59 0 59 0% not used ========================== 7181 686 7867 100% TOTAL NOTE: Some people use Linux in multiple places, so the total is not the sum of the columns. COUNTRIES WHERE LINUX IS USED ============================= Country Self Other Sum MPop Linux/M =============================================================== 1 is Iceland 12 0 12 0.3 46.0 2 fi Finland 225 0 225 5.0 45.0 3 no Norway 140 0 140 4.3 32.6 4 nl Netherlands 303 2 305 14.9 20.3 5 dk Denmark 103 1 104 5.1 20.2 6 se Sweden 156 2 158 8.6 18.1 7 au Australia 267 4 271 17.1 15.6 8 de Germany 1045 11 1056 79.1 13.2 9 ca Canada 350 22 372 26.6 13.2 10 at Austria 94 11 105 7.6 12.4 11 us USA 2962 52 3014 249.6 11.9 12 ch Switzerland 74 0 74 6.7 11.0 13 si Slovenia 19 1 20 2.0 9.7 14 gb Great Britain 402 10 412 57.2 7.0 15 ie Ireland 23 0 23 3.5 6.6 16 be Belgium 58 506 564 9.9 5.9 17 nz New Zealand 19 2 21 3.4 5.6 18 lu Luxembourg 2 0 2 0.4 5.1 19 ee Estonia 8 4 12 1.6 5.0 20 fr France 254 14 268 56.2 4.5 21 il Israel 19 0 19 6.3 3.0 22 sg Singapore 8 0 8 2.7 3.0 23 hk Hong Kong 16 0 16 5.9 2.7 24 hu Hungary 18 0 18 10.5 1.7 25 cr Costa Rica 5 0 5 3.1 1.6 26 it Italy 89 0 89 57.7 1.5 27 pt Portugal 15 2 17 10.3 1.5 28 gr Greece 14 0 14 10.1 1.4 29 cz Czech Rebublic 13 0 13 10.0 1.3 30 za South Africa 39 0 39 30.2 1.3 31 hr Croatia 6 0 6 4.8 1.3 32 es Spain 49 5 54 39.5 1.2 33 cl Chile 16 0 16 13.5 1.2 34 jp Japan 140 0 140 123.3 1.1 35 tw Taiwan 21 0 21 20.3 1.0 36 na Namibia 1 0 1 1.5 0.7 37 pr Puerto Rico 2 0 2 3.8 0.5 38 pl Poland 17 8 25 38.4 0.4 39 sk Slovakia 2 1 3 5.4 0.4 40 kr Korea (South) 14 0 14 43.1 0.3 41 uy Uruguay 1 0 1 3.2 0.3 42 ro Romania 7 0 7 23.2 0.3 43 lb Lebanon 1 0 1 3.6 0.3 44 ve Venezuela 5 0 5 20.1 0.2 45 ar Argentine 6 0 6 32.7 0.2 46 my Malaysia 3 0 3 18.0 0.2 47 ua Ukraine 6 0 6 51.9 0.1 48 su Soviet Union (former) 17 3 20 147.4 0.1 49 bg Bulgaria 1 0 1 8.8 0.1 50 br Brazil 16 3 19 158.2 0.1 51 by Belarus 1 0 1 10.4 0.1 52 co Colombia 3 0 3 34.3 0.1 53 mx Mexico 6 3 9 81.4 0.1 54 th Thailand 4 0 4 57.6 0.1 55 cs Czechoslovakia (former) 1 0 1 15.7 0.1 56 ph Philippines 3 0 3 68.5 0.0 57 xe Europe (Somewhere in it) 11 0 11 320.0 0.0 58 tr Turkey 1 0 1 60.9 0.0 59 in India 5 0 5 844.0 0.0 60 id Indonesia 1 0 1 197.2 0.0 61 xw The World (Somewhere in i 2 0 2 5000.0 0.0 62 xx Unknown 1 19 20 5000.0 0.0 ------------------------------ From: merriman@metronet.com (David K. Merriman) Subject: New User HOWTO proposal Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 03:59:38 GMT In light of the experiences I've had getting Linux installed and configured, I'd like to offer to write a Linux New Users HOWTO. I'm thinking that it could contain those little gems of wisdom that the experienced user has learned (like how to scroll back the boot screen(s)), what the different files are, and what their significance is, what programs in a "base" installation (broken down by disksets a, ap, d, i, n, t) do what (and how to invoke them - ie, what is bash/csh/man/etc.; "PICO is a basic text editor, similar to the MSDOS EDIT program. To start using it, enter the line 'pico '; additional options will be displayed at the bottom of the screen. Text entered is stored in memory only, and you *must* save the buffer to a file to save the text you've entered." ), what the system files are and what their contents mean (rc.K, rc.M, etc), how to decide what actions to take when (when to make the kernel? how to automate stuff like mounting floppies/cdroms, etc), and so on. I see it as being cross-referenced, not only internally, but to the other HOWTO's, indexed, the whole thing. I know that some of the stuff I'm asking for already exists - to some degree - in other HOWTOs; much of it is buried or expressed in different terms and phrases that don't have quite the same meaning to a new user. I'd like to have a try at changing that :-) As a recent convert from the messydos/WinDoze world, with minimal Unix experience, I was hoping to find such a file to - as I put it - "hold my hand" as I was led into the Linux world. It didn't exist, so I'd like to offer to be the one to create it. I expect that some might scoff, but hopefully, enough of you will remember what it was like the first time *you* were stuck in front of a Linux or Unix box - and were thoroughly baffled by it, and didn't know quite where to start. I doubt that I'll be able to attribute everyone's specific contributions, but I will make it more than clear that the file is *not* mine, other than as the one who pieced it together :-) Please email your tips, tricks, or anything else that you've had to tell another Unix/Linux newbie. Remember, it's up to you to explain things in kindergarden terms for us newbies, so code should be *heavily* commented, tips/tricks should be clearly explained as to function and method, and so on. Thanks! Dave Merriman merriman@metronet.com ------------------------------ From: fsosi@j51.com (NightHawk) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: pkzip for dos? Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:48:13 -0400 DABOUS@CHIP.FNAL.GOV wrote: : Hi All, : Does Linux have a utility to pkunzip DOS .zip files? If yes, would Yes. : you tell what site it is on? I think I got mine from gatekeeper.dec.com. : Thank you. : dabous@fnal.gov ------------------------------ From: wyhuang@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (William Huang) Subject: Re: Maple V for linux! Date: 28 Sep 94 07:28:17 GMT In article <1994Sep27.003555.1874@escape.widomaker.com> shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) writes: !swein@csc.albany.edu (Scott Weinstein) writes: ! !>I havn't seen anything on the newsgroups about this... Maple V is !>available for Linux. It looks and runs just like the Solaris version. !>The binaries are not staticly linked and the entire installation takes !>up 24 MB. I'm impressed. ! I'll be really impressed when they get Matlab working for Linux. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc From: amichalo@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Aaron K. Michalove) Subject: Re: Special Sale On QNX! Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 05:26:46 GMT : knowledgable and go the extra mile for the sale. And, we promise to BEAT : ANYONE'S PRICE! A complete QNX developer's package starts at just $195! You "BEAT ANYONE'S PRICE" huh? Beat Linux's then..PAY me to use it. -Aaron ------------------------------ From: dwm@shell.portal.com (David - Morris) Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution Date: 29 Sep 1994 07:24:12 GMT >Juana Moreno (madrid@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote: >:[...] >: My distribution, tentatively called "WIn-dos Transition" (WIT), would have >: the following features: Seems to me that if someone is going to invest time in making it easier to initially access linux, the effort would be better spent in improving an existing distribution such as the Yggdrisil Plug&Play approach. It will run from the provided boot floppy and cd-rom. The curious can try it, see if their hardware will be easily supported. Some kind of file system emulated via a DOS file so that config data and user home directories could be preserved w/o worry about harddrive space, partitions, etc. Same for SWAP space if required. Yggdrisill still requires a few arcane decisions and some help getting X started. All the basic function could be present, just slow. AND when ready, the user has everything in hand to install the 'real' thing. ------------------------------ From: erat@netcom.com (Erik Ratcliffe) Subject: Re: running linux from cdrom Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 04:32:09 GMT Ludo Daemen (daemenl@Belgium.EU.net) wrote: : I'm new to the unix/linux world. I would like to give linux a try on my : machine. Only : I don't have 80 meg readily available on my drive to do a : full installation. : So : is it possible to keep part of the software on the distribution : CD-rom ?? The Yggdrasil "Plug-and-Play" Linux CDROMs do just that; they allow you to install a small system on your hard drive, and the rest runs from the CD. Also, I think TransAmeritech has a CDROM of Linux that does the same thing. Either of these would probably do a sufficient job (one note, though: running programs from a CDROM that's double-speed or slower is ssslllooooooowwwwwwwwww... If you can handle the lack of speed without pulling your hair out, you'll be fine; otherwise, I'd fork out a couple hundred bucks and get another hard drive... :). I don't have the addresses/phone numbers for these companies handy, but if you need them, drop me some e-mail and I'll dig them up for you. -- | (0)(0) erat@netcom.com | "Drink up... Happy Hour is | | (oo) Greetings from fragrant | now enforced by law." | | =\/= Old Town Alexandria, VA (USA) | -- Dead Kennedys | ------------------------------ From: merriman@metronet.com (David K. Merriman) Subject: Re: New User HOWTO proposal Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 05:33:53 GMT In article <1994Sep28.151109.15306@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes: >In article merriman@metronet.com (David K. Merriman) writes:>>In light of the experiences I've had getting Linux installed and configured, >>I'd like to offer to write a Linux New Users HOWTO. >Your idea is a good one, but I fear that such a HOWTO would be >extremely long. You want to cover everything from shells to >man pages to editors to kernel compliations. This is essentially >what has been done in the I&GS, which covers these things and more. >You can't condense this information considerably, and if you try >to do so you'll lose the content. What's wrong with the I&GS? I am not proposing to write the Ultimate Linux HOWTO; as I thought I made clear, I mean only to cover those items that come with a Linux "basic" installation. Further, I wouldn't want to try and give detailed explanations of how to use all the programs that are installed; rather, brief single-paragraph descriptions and how-to-start-it-the-first-time instructions would be the goal. As for the I&GS, it does *not* cover anything more than getting the most general and rudimentary Linux system installed. On the other hand, the rest of the HOWTOs are excellent for the areas *they* cover (and very well, from what I can tell - but I'm limited in my knowledge of Linux). Simply put, I'm proposing to generate a HOWTO to "bridge" between the I&GS, and the others, _briefly_ describe the _general_ function/purpose of the different applications (I installed the entire 4-disk AP set, and I'll be damned if I know what half that stuff is, or what it's for - I'm a _new user_; I don't *know* Unix/Linux yet. All I have is a Linux *system* to learn on), and give rudimentary instructions on how to start the program. I hold my own question about how to extract a tar file as an example: my own limited knowledge led me to think that the "f" command-line option would only be appropriate if reading from a tape device - that it wouldn't be needed if I specified the directory/file. Several kind folks pointed out my error, and how to correct it. Now why should some other newbie like myself have to go through the same thing? Or similar, with a different program/utility, when the absolute basic operations can be quickly and easily explained? As for making new kernels, I'd like to see something like a flowchart or cookbook approach: if This, then That, else the other Thing - if you did That, then you need to rebuild your kernel by doing a, b, c, d. I *precisely* followed the instructions in the Installation howto; but either some details were missing, or I didn't understand what I was supposed to be doing: I could boot off my hard drive or a floppy, but could *not* access the floppy drives or my soundblaster/cdrom. Going through other howto files,and following the instructions I could find, I tried editing some of the files, and remaking the kernel. Now the boot process stops after it configures the serial ports - and I mean _stops_ : I can enter text and such, but *never* get the prompt. So now I have to go back through and try to figure out where it's getting confused, and how to undo what I did wrong :-) I'd rather be actually *using* Linux for something, but if this turns out to help me learn more about it, then I can live with it; but it's time and effort expended that could be better spent on something more productive. >Miscellaneous tips, tricks, and so forth are already covered in the >Tips-HOWTO, by Vince reed (reedv@rpi.edu). Please send that information>to him. I'd rather see people updating the current HOWTOs instead >of trying to preempt what we already have. Again, I'm not proposing the Ultimate Guide; simply the kinds of things that a new user would find helpful - like using SHIFT-PAGEUP to scroll back through the boot screens (to try and find out where their bad kernel make went off into the weeds :-) The tips & tricks would be introduced at different points in the document - for example, the shift-pageup could be highlighted and placed right after a section on the kernel make sequence _and_ somewhere around a description of what all the boot messages mean. That way, they'd be more likely to be rememberd in the appropriate context. Simply put, I see the I&GS as the "bridge" between DOS/Windows/??? and Linux, and the other HOWTOs as roads to different places - I'm simply proposing to set up a stand at the end of the bridge, containing maps and directions, to help others that are new to the Land of Linux get started. Dave Merriman ------------------------------ From: trowbrid@jakesys.sol.net (Info Monger) Subject: Re: 286 telnet P5 with Linux? Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 07:56:43 GMT Erik Mouw (jakmouw@et.tudelft.nl) wrote: : In article <1994Sep21.191611.22638@uxmail.ust.hk>, im_lwhab@uxmail.ust.hk (Lee Wai Han) writes: : > Is it worth to set up a 286 system to telnet to a P5(with Linux installed) : > to do somethings? : > : > What things can a 286 do with such connections? : > : > Do I have any better connection for choose? : > [ Say, null modem / terminal(?) ] : > : > If connecting a 286 didn't worth anything, how about a 386? : > : > Thank you in advance? : Depends on what you want to do. A 286 with NCSA telnet is something like : a Linux machine in text mode with virtual consoles. At home I have a 386 : running Linux, a 286 running NCSA telnet and a VT100 connected to the : 386. I prefer the 286 with NCSA telnet as "second workplace" because of : the virtual consoles. The VT100 is only for emergency purposes, such as : killing processes (as root). : Erik : -------------------------------------------------- : Erik Mouw, Department of Electrical Engineering, : Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands : email : JAKMouw@ET.TUDelft.NL : D O N ' T P A N I C ! : -------------------------------------------------- : Why did the Roman Empire collapse? : What is the Latin for office automation? -- ============================================================================= Info Monger (alias: Tim J. 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