From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 5 Oct 94 14:13:21 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #882 Linux-Misc Digest #882, Volume #2 Wed, 5 Oct 94 14:13:21 EDT Contents: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz) [Q]Linux on PPC a hoax? (rfraser@vanisl.decus.ca) Re: SB_PRO does not sound like 4W/channel.. (Joseph Stanley (Joe Wisniewski)) Linux marches on (Robert Ashcroft) Domainname and Hostname, and midi sb16, and xfree with stealth (Po-Han Lin) Re: looking for X11 CAD package (Sebastian W. Bunka) Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Hallvard Paulsen) Datebook Recommendations (Raymond Kraft) ftp + term suggestions (Raymond Kraft) Re: diamond stealth status? (Erik Troan) xvnews (J.Tench) Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Peter Reilley) Re: adding a dumb terminal (Joseph W. Vigneau) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz) Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:00:28 GMT willis@bltop.ncsu.edu (Bill Willis) writes: > >|>Still, it is not as if style sheets can't be done using major word proces- >|>sors. And I'm not sure that TeX is really the right thing to bring up for >|>average users. It's just not a word processor in the sense that most of >|>us use those words. Any system that separates editing from viewing just >|>adds another gratuitous layer of indirection to the process of producing >|>documents. > >I guess that we are not talking letters and memos here, but reports, books, >etc. and this makes a difference. But the bottom line is, no body has ever >shown me anything that proves WYSIWYG makes for more productive writing... For me WYSIWYG is critical. Critical. Like many scholars in the humanities, I'm citing documents in languages other than English, and it's terribly irk- some to have to enter text in these languages using a cumbersome nonnative notation. I just use a WYSIWYG editor that lets me change keyboards on the fly. One minute I'm touch typing English. Another I'm entering Arabic or Hebrew or whatever I need. And I see what I'm typing as it normally should be seen, i.e., without all the formatting crap and with foreign characters in the correct font. Of course, this is all moot for Linux, since there *is* no multilingual word processor for Unix (though some stabs are being made in that direction). It seems that the programming/engineering/CS community is pretty much a mono- lingual culture (at least here in the US). So maybe for them ASCII-based typesetters are fine. -- -Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer ------------------------------ Subject: [Q]Linux on PPC a hoax? From: rfraser@vanisl.decus.ca Date: 5 Oct 94 06:28:47 PDT Reply-To: rfraser@vanisl.decus.ca Is the Linux for the PPC project a hoax? Promised delivery of kernel was August when the project was supposedly started, then September in the Linux FAQ. I know it is difficult to port software written specifically for the X86 to another platform and it does take time. The silence about this project leads me to think the software is vaporware. If the project is real then we have some real status reports like the Linux ports to other platforms. Thanks ------------------------------ From: wiz@rcsg30.eld.ford.com (Joseph Stanley (Joe) Wisniewski) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.tech,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard Subject: Re: SB_PRO does not sound like 4W/channel.. Date: 5 Oct 1994 12:40:24 GMT In article , et@madmax.aa.nps.navy.mil () writes: |> |> |> |> I have just installed SB_PRO + MITSUMi_double-speed |> CRrom drive + 8_ohm unamplified SONIC speakers on my |> Linux box. I hooked up the CD sound to Sb_Pro after |> switching the pins. It works, but it did not live up |> to my expectations. It does not sound like 4W per |> channel to me. |> |> The manual says that when hooked up to at 8ohm |> speakers, the power drops to 2W/channel. First, I |> could not make much sense out of this. It should be |> just the opposite! Second, even then it does not |> sound like 2W's either. Two things to keep in mind: If you are stuck with a low power supply voltage, you lower the speaker impedance gives more power. If your SB_PRO does 2 watts with 8 ohm speakers, it can do 4 watts with 4 ohm speakers. Ford uses 3.2 watt speakers so we can get higher power levels in 12 volt car stereos. Second: speakers efficiencies vary over a tremendous range. There are speakers that can produce more sound with 4 watts than other speakers can produce using 400 watts! I don't know what the efficiency of SONIC speakers is: are they the type of small speakers with plastic cases that typicallly come with multimedia bundles? A nice pair of Koss bookshelf speakers could probably beat their efficiency by a factor of 10. |> I have not adjusted anything with the software, since |> the software I use -cdplayer- is a simple command line |> tool. I turn up the volume at the back of the card to |> maximum though. |> |> Any insight is appreciated. |> |> ismail -- Joseph S. Wisniewski | The views expressed are purely my own, and do not Ford Motor Company | reflect those of the Ford Motor Company, or any of Project Sapphire | its affiliates. wiz@rcsg30.eld.ford.com | "any color you want -- as long as it's black" ------------------------------ From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) Subject: Linux marches on Date: 5 Oct 1994 04:22:30 GMT Reply-To: rna@leland.stanford.edu My dad's department (a physical science department at a large Ivy League university) is about to buy 10 Pentiums running Linux. ;-) A postdoc joined their department about a month ago, a long time Linux hacker. And he's already infected them to this degree ;-) RNA ------------------------------ From: plin@girtab.usc.edu (Po-Han Lin) Subject: Domainname and Hostname, and midi sb16, and xfree with stealth Date: 5 Oct 1994 07:39:28 -0700 How can I change the default domainname and hostname from slakware? It is currently frop.com, and darkstar. (darkstar.frop.com) So how do you do it? Is there any midi players for my sb16asp on commandline, as apposed to xwindows? My cdrom (mitsumi) and sb16 asp works when playing cd's and mod files. Now are there anyprogram out there that works with midi and 16/8 bit SB FM? (command line of course) The ones i saw, some required the old versions of linux (.99) While my current kernel is 1.1.45. Did anyone have any success getting 3.1 Xfree86 to work with Diamond Stealth VLB? -- Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û ²°°°°°°°°°°°±±±±±±±±±±±²²²²²²²²²²²ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ²²²²²²²²²²²±±±±±±±±±±±°°°°°°°°°°°² ±°°°°°°°°°°°±±±±±±±±±±±²²²²²²²²²²²ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ²²²²²²²²²²²±±±±±±±±±±±°°°°°°°°°°°± °±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±°±²Û²±° ------------------------------ From: seb@i102pc1.vu-wien.ac.at (Sebastian W. Bunka) Subject: Re: looking for X11 CAD package Date: 4 Oct 1994 09:14:13 GMT Reply-To: Sebastian.Bunka@vu-wien.ac.at tHuH sYzTum g0D (root@attila.ankle.com) wrote: : Sorry if this is the wrong place for this, but... I'm looking for an X11 : AutoCAD-esque package for linux. I don't need nearly as many features as : ACAD, but 3-d drafting with maybe some color or textures would be really nice. : I remember somewhere seeing a posting that there was a german package that had : not been translated to english; this would be fine, but I don't remember the : name and have lost the posting of the original announcement. If anybody could : point me in the right direction to sources, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. : Joe It's name is siscad-p 1.3, and an english version is planned. However it is "only" 2-D; but it looks great. get it from: Begin2 Title = SISCAD-P Version = 1.3-3 Desc1 = SISCAD-P is a professional parametric 2D-CAD system running on several Desc2 = UNIX workstations and available as shareware for Linux. Today there is only a Desc3 = German version of SISCAD-P available. Unfortunately we can not yet provide Desc4 = a SISCAD-P version in any foreign language but we are already working on an Desc5 = English version. The release date for this version is not certain yet. Author = Coproduction of programmers at Staedtler Mars GmbH & Co/Germany AuthorEmail = support@SIS.Staedtler.DE Maintainer = support@SIS.Staedtler.DE MaintEmail = support@SIS.Staedtler.DE Site1 = ftp.Germany.EU.net Path1 = pub/comp/i386/Linux/Local.EUnet/Applications/Graphics File1 = siscadp1.3-3.tar.gz FileSize1 = 4135864 Site2 = sunsite.unc.edu Path2 = /pub/linux/X11/xapps/graphics File2 = siscadp1.3-3.tar.gz FileSize2 = 4135864 Required1 = Xwindows running under Linux. 8 MB of memory, 16 MB or more Required2 = recommended. Slackware Linux 0.19PL14 and 0.19PL15 others not Required3 = tryed. Fvwm or Mwm window manager recommended . German speaking user Required4 = required; sorry for this inconvenience. CopyPolicy1 = Copyright by Staedtler Mars GmbH & Co - SIS CopyPolicy2 = Free distributable binaries as Shareware for Linux. Keywords = CAD, CAD/CAM, drawing, parametric Comment1 = For people which do not have access to the internet, SISCAD-P Comment2 = for Linux is available on disks from Computer Solutions Software GmbH, Comment3 = Postfach 1180, D-85561 Grafing, Tel. 08092/5018, FAX 08092/31727 Comment4 = As commercial product on other UNIX-flavors available from Staedtler. Entered = 15MAR94 EnteredBy = Helmrich Streitmatter CheckedEmail = helmrich@SIS.Staedtler.DE End Cheers, Sebastian -- email: [ Sebastian.Bunka@vu-wien.ac.at ] voice: FAX: +43-1-71155260 +43-1-7149110 Location: earth, europe, austria, vienna Inst. of Bacteriology Vet.Univ. ------------------------------ From: hallpaul@imm.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen) Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? Date: 5 Oct 1994 14:39:15 GMT Reply-To: Hallvard.Paulsen@imm.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen) In article <1994Oct5.140028.5759@midway.uchicago.edu>, goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz) writes: |> For me WYSIWYG is critical. Critical. Like many scholars in the humanities, |> I'm citing documents in languages other than English, and it's terribly irk- |> some to have to enter text in these languages using a cumbersome nonnative |> notation. I just use a WYSIWYG editor that lets me change keyboards on the |> fly. One minute I'm touch typing English. Another I'm entering Arabic or |> Hebrew or whatever I need. And I see what I'm typing as it normally should |> be seen, i.e., without all the formatting crap and with foreign characters |> in the correct font. Then make sure you realy have WYSIWYG. That is not allways the case with MS-DOS/windows SW. Here in Norway we only have 6 special characters not found in english (æøåÆØÅ) but still after more than 10 years with personal computers it is amassing how often you see the japanese yen character in stead of the norwegian ø {\o}. This happens in the printing process. (Also I've found that not all greek characters are found in all printer fonts.) Personally I prefer WYWIWYG (what you write is what you get) i.e. LaTeX Hallvard Paulsen ------------------------------ From: ray@eskimo.com (Raymond Kraft) Subject: Datebook Recommendations Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:49:15 GMT Hello, Does anyone have any recommendations on a datebook that will run on a system that does not have Motif? I've tried "plan", but it needs Motif, and the precompiled version seems to exhibit a few quirks on my system. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -Ray Kraft Seattle, Washington ray@eskimo.com -- -Ray Kraft Seattle, Washington ray@eskimo.com ------------------------------ From: ray@eskimo.com (Raymond Kraft) Subject: ftp + term suggestions Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:54:17 GMT Hello, Does anyone know if there is a version of ftp that works with term? I've got xftp-2.2.athena+term, but I'm curious if there is anything else available. Thanks in advance. --Ray Kraft Seattle, Washington ray@eskimo.com -- -Ray Kraft Seattle, Washington ray@eskimo.com ------------------------------ From: ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan) Subject: Re: diamond stealth status? Date: 5 Oct 1994 14:51:20 GMT In article , Dan Pop wrote: >In <31381166@MVB.SAIC.COM> Karl Rudnick writes: > >I'm pretty sure you can get a cheaper supported card than a commercial >X server. And I've never heard of commercial servers for Linux. I guess >nobody dared to face the competition of XFree86 :-) > There's something called Accelerated X, or Xcelerator or something like that for many 80x86 platforms (including linux) for about $199. If you look in the XFree86 P9000 documentation there's a reference to it, and they've been advertising in Linux Journal. Erik -- ============================================================================ "Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt ------------------------------ From: cm5585@scitsc25.wlv.ac.uk (J.Tench) Subject: xvnews Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:07:03 +0100 Dear all Does any one know where I can get hold of a copy of the source for xvnews. Jim T. -- "Not only fighting the cause of the down trodden student, but a damned good looking bloke aswell" ------------------------------ From: pvr@wang.com (Peter Reilley) Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:53:04 GMT bash@tware.com (Paul Bash) writes: $>In article , $>Jeff Kesselman wrote: $>The INT 13 BIOS on the Adaptec provides the basic support DOS needs for the $>first two drives. Beyond that _DOS_ needs additional driver support not $>supplied with the OS. Perhaps that is what you are thinking. I believe, nay $>I'm positive, that this has no bearing on the problem. Linux has all the $>additional support necessary right out of the box (providing you are using $>the SCSI kernel) and Linux has _excellent_ support for the 1542B. $>I suspect that this has more to do with the master boot record or the partition $>table not being to the liking of the fdisk used in Yggdrasil. It is probably $>checking some form of signature in the MBR that doesn't match up to what it $>expects. The OS/2 boot manager is active on this drive and that might be $>confusing things. The OS/2 boot manager, though, is nothing new to Linux $>users. There are notes in various README's that tell how to have Boot $>Manager and LILO co-exist on the same disk. You install boot manager first, $>then you don't allow LILO to take over the MBR during the Linux install. $>This is dirt simple and has worked for a _long_ time. $>The fdisk used in Slackware sees nothing wrong with the disk. Perhaps it is $>different from the one used by Yggdrasil. I can't imagine why but I guess its a $>possibility. The Yggdrasil fdisk is obviously less well tested than $>Slackware's if it is in fact the culprit. I had a problem with the Yggdrasil install during partitioning. It decided that my freshly formatted SCSI disk had a partition table. The table appeared corrupted as displayed but I could not fix it. I attempted to use DOS fdisk. It saw a partition table as well, but it displayed as obvioulsy corrupted data. I found a DOS partition utility on Simtel that could write a valid table. Then linux installed and partitioned correctly. The formatting of SCSI disks is handled entirely by the drive. The controller only issues a format command and waits for completion. The data pattern remaining after format will be different on different drives. Some of these patterns can be confused with a partition table. The linux partition utility needs to have the ability to initialize a partition table on command from the user. There is obviously some danger in this but it is the only way to handle the case of certain format patterns as well as corrupted partition tables. The DOS fdisk needs it too. -- -->>>>>>>>>> Peter Reilley ..... pvr@wiis.wang.com ..... KA1LAT <<<<<<<<<<<-- BEAV, the best binary file editor w/src. For info finger pvr@das.wang.com "Knocked while you were out" - Opportunity ------------------------------ From: joev@garden.WPI.EDU (Joseph W. Vigneau) Subject: Re: adding a dumb terminal Date: 5 Oct 1994 17:24:34 GMT In article <36um1f$6vi@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Ka-pui Ko wrote: > >I am thinking of adding a dumb terminal to my machine that is >running Linux. I have an old 286 machine with serial port, with >monitor, with keyborad. > >Is that any additional hardware that I need to get? How do >I config the Linux to recognize that a dumb terminal exits? On the 286, you'll need a terminal program (Qmodem, Telix, etc...) Get a null-modem cable to connect the machines. In your /etc/inittab, create or uncomment a line that says s1:45:respawn:/sbin/agetty 19200 ttyS1 ^^^^^ ^^^^^ (1) (2) 1) Change to the highest speed you can reliably receive | 2) Change to which serial port you want to hang the 286 off of. Then do an init 4 or init 5 (or just reboot), and you should get a login prompt on the terminal. -- joev@wpi.edu, joev@hotblack.gweep.net WPI Computer Science Linux! 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