From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sat, 8 Oct 94 06:13:09 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #900 Linux-Misc Digest #900, Volume #2 Sat, 8 Oct 94 06:13:09 EDT Contents: Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development (Matthew Donadio) Re: New Linux Distribution (Lars Marowsky-Bree) Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Daniel Poirot) c and me (Bill McCarthy) Wanted: compiled Xwebster (Yan Xiao) Re: What PCMCIA ethernet card to buy? (David Hinds) GCC/Ncurses/Poll keypress? (Steven S. Spiroff) FVWM sound manager? (Bill McCarthy) Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Woody Jin) Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Sam Brown) Printer help (Joseph Jones) Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development (Ian McCloghrie) Re: SW Technologies (E. Robert Tisdale) Re: gas and header files (John Richardson) Commercial X servers: here's one (Andrew R. Tefft) Re: Xcalendar - seg fault (John Gotts) Executor -- Commercial Macintosh Emulator for Linux (Joe Thomas) Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Bill C. Riemers) Re: Hmmm (Stephen Harris) Re: xvnews (Elkhoury ...) looking for make (Jay Lewis) * DOSEMU Binaries?? * (Rajib Rashid) * Error Mounting File System * (Rajib Rashid) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donadio@mxd120.rh.psu.edu (Matthew Donadio) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development Date: 7 Oct 1994 15:54:24 GMT Xiaojun Zhu (xjzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca) wrote: : I want to start a flame here. Please feel free to flame me as well. First off, I failed to grasp your point. There are reasons why 2.6.0 hasn't been oficially released by the linux community, namely the fact that it is buggy and fails to compile some code (like some versions of the kernel). Can you imagine what would happen if newbies tried compiling things and get an errors like "Internal error: cannot find spill register"? -- Beaker aka Matt Donadio | Life is short, --- __ o __~o __ o donadio@mxd120.rh.psu.edu | ride like ---- _`\<, _`\<, _`\<, --- Penn State Cycling ---| the wind. --- ( )/( ) ( )/( ) ( )/( ) ====================================URL: http://mxd120.rh.psu.edu/~donadio ------------------------------ Date: 07 Oct 1994 15:07:00 +0200 From: lmb@pointer.in-minden.de (Lars Marowsky-Bree) Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution Hell, if there will be a simple version of Linux, which any J.Random can install, use and worse, understand, I am going to drop Linux and write my own... ;-) -- Lars Marowsky-Bree Voice: +49-571-63663 PGP-key via return receipt VirNet: 9:492/7158 Fido: 2:2449/620.16 Mail: lmb@pointer.in-minden.de PGP fingerprint: CF FC 3A F0 86 F1 D3 EB 79 8A CF 75 4F 4C 81 DF ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## ------------------------------ From: poirot@laurel.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel Poirot) Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:52:05 GMT In article , Mark Tinguely wrote: >In article jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) writes: > > >Technologies are quickly shared between all the OSes. So Linux, and *BSD are >actually have the whole group contributing the features found in the OS. >So what are the major things to look for when choosing an OS (IMHO)? > >1) the basic "flavor" of Unix you like. Besides being Posix compliant, I think > everyone can agree that Linux is a System V based OS and *BSD is BSD based > OS. there is a slight philosophy difference. How do you figure? Aside from /etc/inittab run state stuff, I can't think of a thing that makes Linux look like SysV (yuck). When I compile stuff off the Net, I configure for BSD. I hardly think that /proc counts either... -- Daniel Poirot poirot@aio.jsc.nasa.gov NASA JSC "The mind is a terrible thing." ER3 tel: (713)483-8793 Houston, TX 77058 fax: (713)483-3204 ------------------------------ From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy) Subject: c and me Date: 5 Oct 1994 12:09:15 -0400 Keywords: gcc howto Hiya: Forgive me if this is a totally clueless question, but...... I have zero programming background (took an intro basic course in '84) but would very much like to start using gcc in Linux - downloaded the gcc package from the Ygg cd last night. Where do I start? I need a reall basic intro to C for linux users-type book. To give you an idea of what I've tried: borrowed a book on C from work. Tried the newbie program that supposed to print "hello, world". Typed it in as per instructions in the book. Ran cc hello.c and got a parse error. Duh....huh? Took a look at LJ #5, and wouldn't you know it, on the cover is a shot of some emacs windows with the EXACT same thing. BUT, the script didn't look like the one I was trying to get to work. Hence, I'm looking for some guidance. Anyone take pity on a poor soul trying to better hisself through programming in C with Linux? Thanks. Bill McCarthy bmccarth@gulfaero.com "Isn't it pretty to think so." TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________ LinuX + i486dx2/66 usual disclaimer ------------------------------ From: yxiao@umabnet.ab.umd.edu (Yan Xiao) Subject: Wanted: compiled Xwebster Date: 07 Oct 1994 17:15:02 GMT Is anyone willing to share a compiled Xwebster? Yan ------------------------------ From: dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu (David Hinds) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.networking Subject: Re: What PCMCIA ethernet card to buy? Date: 7 Oct 1994 17:35:31 GMT edavis@ctron.com wrote: : In article <1994Oct3.183033.2807@Princeton.EDU>, : > I'm looking for PCMCIA ethernet card for my notebook running Linux. I : > have the list of Linux-happy cards (got it from the Stanford ftp site : > about a month ago.) I'm looking for recommendations on these or : > compatiable cards, as well as leads on good prices. Thanks! : > : > -- : jimgreer@princeton.edu : Hey you should get a Xircom Ethernet PCMCIA, (get a modem on it too) : I used it for: : exceed/W : Novell Netware : SNMP agent : Chameleon NFS Ack! Whatever you do, do not buy a Xircom PCMCIA card! Xircom does not release any technical information about their cards, which means that unless a miracle happens, they are never going to be supported by Linux. Stick with one of the cards on the "supported cards" list. There are really only three different cards: the D-Link (same as Linksys and IC-Card), the IBM (same as Network General, Thomas-Conrad, Kingston, and Novell), and the 3Com. As for which to choose, I don't know of any compelling reasons for picking any of these over any other. I'd be slightly wary of the 3Com card because I've received a few problem reports that I haven't been able to track down, but most people have no trouble with it. -- David Hinds dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu ------------------------------ From: sss@debris.cosmic.com (Steven S. Spiroff) Subject: GCC/Ncurses/Poll keypress? Date: 7 Oct 1994 17:57:39 GMT Is there a way, using gcc and the ncurses library, to sit in a loop updating the screen while checking to see if a key was pressed? In other words, not sit on a getch() waiting for a key, but too continue doing other stuff until a key is pressed.. Please respond via mail. -- Steven S Spiroff Stuck in the slow lane of the Infobahn (harf!) sss@cosmic.com Long Island, NY, USA ------------------------------ From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy) Subject: FVWM sound manager? Date: 5 Oct 1994 12:13:15 -0400 Hiya: Been reading the posts on the new ver of Xfree and came across references to an FVWM window event sound manager - can anyone tell me what this is and point to files related? I looked around at home and couldn't find anything in the system.fvwmrc. This sounds interesting and is the first time I"ve seen reference to such an animal. Thanks for any pointers. Bill McCarthy bmccarth@gulfaero.com "Isn't it pretty to think so." TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________ LinuX + i486dx2/66 usual disclaimer ------------------------------ From: wjin@moocow.cs.uh.edu (Woody Jin) Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? Date: 6 Oct 1994 20:03:40 GMT In article <36nd1u$d80@pdq.coe.montana.edu>, Nate Williams wrote: >In article <36djkn$nm8@girtab.usc.edu>, Po-Han Lin wrote: >>386bsd is monolithic (controlled I guess), while linux is non-monolithic. > >You were misinformed. Both Linux and the BSD's use monolithic kernels. >For a fun discussion of this, there is a series of articles were Linus >and Andy Tanenbaum 'discussed' the merits of both of these when Linux >was in it's infancy. BTW, I have a question. Compiling FreeBSD kernel in 386 is much faster than compiling Linux kernel in 486 with twice memory. I found that Linux compiles everything whatever options I choose. Am I doing something wrong, or is it the feature of Linux ? -- Woody Jin ------------------------------ From: rigor@crl.com (Sam Brown) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD Date: 6 Oct 1994 05:42:45 -0700 picked up a dx-2-80 amd, works great. $210 was my cost $320 w/green vlb motherboard. extremely stable and fast ------------------------------ From: jones@news.unr.edu (Joseph Jones) Subject: Printer help Date: 7 Oct 1994 00:02:57 GMT Does anybody have the printcap entry for an HP Deskjet 500/520? Thanks! joe ------------------------------ From: ianm@qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie) Subject: Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development Date: 7 Oct 1994 09:14:20 -0700 (just posted to c.o.l.m) xjzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca (Xiaojun Zhu) writes: >But how could people fix those bugs? At least the gnu people? I think >mainly through people using and testing them. That's also how the Look, if you want to help support GNU's debugging effort by building your kernel with a known-buggy compiler and risking your data, go right ahead. Compiling gcc on a linux box is easy, you just download the file, untar it, type "./configure --target=i486-unknown-linux", "make" and "make install". You're quite welcome to do it -- I'm not going to. -- Ian McCloghrie work: ianm@qualcomm.com home: ian@egbt.org ____ GCS d-- H s+:+ !g p? au a- w+ v- C++$ UL++++ US++$ P+>++ \bi/ L+++ 3 E+ N++ K--- W--- M-- V-- -po+ Y+ t+ 5+++ jx R G''' \/ tv- b+++ D- B-- e- u* h- f+ r n- y* The above represents my personal opinions and not necessarily those of my employer, Qualcomm Inc. ------------------------------ From: edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (E. Robert Tisdale) Subject: Re: SW Technologies Date: 7 Oct 1994 18:24:56 GMT In article jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) writes: > >If someone is going to try to make a business out of shipping >pre-configured Linux workstations, then they assume QA headaches. >Otherwise, what makes their 'preconfigured' system worth the extra money >versus my going out and building a machine out of parts and a Linux CD-ROM??? It proves that Linux can be installed on the system you bought and ensures that Linux will support every component. If you build your own machine, you may waste hours trying to install and configure Linux before you discover that you made a mistake and bought a component that Linux will not support. Hardware vendors usually charge a restocking fee (typically 15%) on returned components unless you can prove that the parts were defective. Linux workstation vendors are competitive with ordinary PC-clone vendors. You might try getting a quote for a Linux workstation from SWT and compare it with quotes for equivalent machines from some of the major mail order PC-clone vendors. I think you will find that Marvin Wu can match or beat any other vendor's price. This means that you get Linux installed and configured essentially for free. The problem with mail order Linux workstations is that it is a pain to get warranty service through the mail. This is why I recommend buying a Linux workstation from one of your local PC-clone vendors. There are half a dozen vendors in my neighborhood who have promised to install Linux in the systems they sell if the customer requests them to do so. I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to convince at least one of your local area vendors to do the same. Hope this helps, Bob Tisdale. ------------------------------ From: jrichard@cs.uml.edu (John Richardson) Subject: Re: gas and header files Date: 4 Oct 1994 21:16:18 GMT In article <36sa60$o1b@ulowell.uml.edu>, John Richardson wrote: >Is there any info about the seemingly "advanced" gas/gcc assembly >in the linux header files? As I was searching though the code >I came across > >#define restore_flags(x) \ >__asm__ __volatile__("pushl %0 ; popfl": /* no output */ :"r" (x):"memory") > Duh. I just ftp-ed gcc 2.6.0 and what did I find in the info pages? Ah hah! The format of asm statements in gcc! For those interested the general idea is: asm("asm-statment" : outputs : inputs : what is modified) -- John Richardson jrichard@cs.uml.edu ------------------------------ From: teffta@erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Subject: Commercial X servers: here's one Reply-To: teffta@erie.ge.com Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:44:26 GMT This may already been well known, but I thought I would post. The October Uniforum Monthly has an ad for and a blurb about a server from X-Inside called Accelerated X which runs on Linux, SCO, Solaris, FreeBSD, and others. It is an X server only. They claim "highest performance", with truecolor, and up to 1600x1200 resolution (not on all hardware, of course). No numbers or useful details except price is $199 (which seems steep). Email sales@xinside.com. Maybe I'll see if they will send me a review copy for a Linux Journal review :-) -- Andy Tefft - new, expanded .sig - teffta@erie.ge.com ------------------------------ From: john@jgotts.ccs.itd.umich.edu (John Gotts) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Xcalendar - seg fault Date: 4 Oct 1994 05:49:19 GMT Get new sources from ftp.x.org and recompile. -- John Gotts (jgotts@umich.edu) 73 de N8QDW URL: http://www.umich.edu/~jgotts GE -d+ H s+: g-- p? !au a-- w+ v C++++ UL++++ P+>++ L++ 3- E--- N+++ K- !W M-- V-- -po+(---) Y+ t+ 5 j+ R- G? tv b+ D B- e+ u--- h f+ r n- y? ------------------------------ From: jthomas@mitre.org (Joe Thomas) Subject: Executor -- Commercial Macintosh Emulator for Linux Date: 6 Oct 1994 12:47:17 GMT Anyone interested in Mac emulation under Linux should check out comp.emulators.misc. Apparently ARDI, will be releasing a version of Executor for Linux soon. Executor is a Mac emulator that started a couple years ago on the NeXT, and now has a version for PCs running DOS. I'm not affilliated with ARDI, but I am impressed by the NeXT version. In comp.emulators.misc article "Clifford T. Matthews" wrote: > Executor/Linux 1.99a > > Internally we're doing almost all our development under Linux. > This version will allow people with Linux to see what Executor > looks like under X-Windows. It will have a time-limit that > can be removed with an activation key. The price for this > activation key hasn't been set yet. Joe ------------------------------ From: bcr@k9.via.term.none (Bill C. Riemers) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree Date: 08 Oct 1994 05:17:40 GMT Reply-To: bcr@physics.purdue.edu >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Wilson writes: Tom> In article <372tg0$1ai@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, Alexandra Griffin Tom> wrote: Tom> :3) Another idea from HP-VUE... this environment Tom> features a "console :bar" area at the bottom of the screen, Tom> containing buttons to switch :virtual desktops, invocation Tom> icons for commonly-used apps, small icons It already exists. Its called "GoodStuff" and is part of fvwm. For example, I prefere to put stuff on the side. So I have a left "management" area that contains the following: ========== | | | Xclock | | | | | ========== = | | | | | | | | ========== > virtual screen manager | | | | | | | | ========== = | | | | | | | > Icon space. Boarders would be a nice addition... | | | | | | ========== = | | | | | A | B | | ========== | | | | | | C | D | | ========== | | | | | | E | F | | ========== | | | | | | G | H | > GoodStuff buttons ========== | | | | | | I | J | | ========== | | | | | | K | L | | ========== | | | | | | M | N | | ========== = You can set this up however you want, and map about anything to buttons with any icon. My only complaint is the default size of the buttons are too large. But this is easily changed. Here is what I have mapped: A. Previous desktop B. Next desktop C. Resize window D. Move window E. Lower window F. Iconify/deiconify G. Kill window H. Xmagnify I. xman J. xmail K. xfilemanager L. xterm M. Desk-0 indicator N. Exit/Restart/Refresh menu. Each button has an icon that shows clearly what the button does. i.e. Forexample button N shows a stop sign. By using the side, istead of the bottom, I still have about 1024x910 of my 1152x910 display left. Leaving me ruffly a square screen area to work with. Tom> I've been toying with somthing quite similar using fvwm and Tom> xfm...the functionality is quite similar if you don't mind Tom> using fvwm's virtual desktops. Whats wrong with them. I prefere virtual screens to virtual desktops, but normally I use a combination of both. i.e. Completely separate projects go on different desktops, the same project overflows to different virtual screens. Since it is a pain sticking windows switching to another desktop and then unsticking them (the only way I know to move windows between desktops) virtual screens tend to be easier. Tom> :for system functions (logging out...), and space for a Tom> clock, :calendar, Xload bargraph, & other stuff. The Tom> appearance of the bar is :very professional, with little Tom> beveled insets for each item. I'm You can arrange your desktop however you want. I agree this should be much easier to configure. It took me quite awhile to come-up with something I think looks just as professional as as the HP-UX environment. Even longer to improve on it. "vuewm" is you can't load your own background, you have to stick to ugly patterns. I much prefere being able to have 'xv" load a random picture from CD every 5 or so minuites, so I'm not constantly looking at the same thing. What is really needed is: 1. A Null box. i.e. Something that can be used to mark areas for xload, xbiff, and icons even when they aren't present, but as far as the window manager is conserned don't exist. 2. Auto-resume from last session. i.e. Each time I end-up opening several xterms in one screen, emacs somewhere else, Mosaic, ... if fvwm could remember what I had running when I quit and ask me to restart them again, it would be quite a timesaver. Bill --
Bill C. Riemers, bcr@physics.purdue.edu
Department of Physics, Purdue University ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds From: harris@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk (Stephen Harris) Subject: Re: Hmmm Date: 6 Oct 94 11:55:42 BST Mitchum DSouza (Mitchum.DSouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk) wrote: : Hey I'm a fan. Have been so since 0.10. Im sure everyone else joined a bit more I never did get round to sending the postcard that those early release notes asked for! Must remember to do it someday :-) -- Stephen Harris harris.teaching@physics.oxford.ac.uk [ but not a physicist ] Opinions are just opinions, and the facts are the facts. But what are what? ------------------------------ From: naaman@info.polymtl.ca (Elkhoury ...) Subject: Re: xvnews Date: 6 Oct 1994 23:01:01 GMT J.Tench (cm5585@scitsc25.wlv.ac.uk) wrote: : Dear all : Does any one know where I can get hold of a copy of the source for xvnews. : Jim T. : -- ftp.mcc.ac.uk:/pub/linux/fimirror/util/X11/contrib/xvnews/xvnews.tar.z Last time I checked anyways :) Ciao, Alex. naaman@info.polymtl.ca -- Alexandre Naaman | Try out my home page : Mechanical Engineering Student | http://www.polymtl.ca:8001/zuse Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal | /naaman/Mosaic/home.html ------------------------------ From: tssjay@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Jay Lewis) Subject: looking for make Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:50:04 GMT Can anybody tell me where on sunsite (if anywhere) I can find the make utility? ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: rr002c@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Rajib Rashid) Subject: * DOSEMU Binaries?? * Reply-To: rr002c@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:14:37 GMT Hello: I have recently installed Linux on my 25MHz pc with 8MB ram, and everything seems fine, except I cannot access my stacked drive. I am aware of the DOSEMU package, but the problem is I cannot compile it because the linux source is not installed on my system because of limited space. So I was wondering if I could get the binaries for it from somewhere (if possible at all) or if someone could send it to me my e-mail. I do not have any limitations on the size of the mail (although multipart is appreciated). Once again, I am not sure if it is possible to install only the binaries without compiling it, so please forgive me if this sounds stupid. Thank you very much in advance. Please send your replies to 'rr002c@uhura.cc.rochester.edu'. Rajib Rashid University of Rochester ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: rr002c@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Rajib Rashid) Subject: * Error Mounting File System * Reply-To: rr002c@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:13:37 GMT Hello: I have recently installed Linux on my 25MHz pc with 8MB ram, and everything seems fine, except once in a while I get this error: mount cleanudp_creat RPC: portmap failure when I try to mount a file system. This does not happen all the time though. I have not been able to figure out what makes this happen. Does anyone have any idea or suggestions on why this is happening, and how I can fix the problem? Thank you very much in advance. Please send your replies to 'rr002c@uhura.cc.rochester.edu'. Rajib Rashid University of Rochester ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************