From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 01:13:13 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #910 Linux-Misc Digest #910, Volume #2 Mon, 10 Oct 94 01:13:13 EDT Contents: Re: Security hole in smail - be careful! (Jim Jagielski) Re: X News-reader for LinuX (Jason Haar) Re: talk/talkd and ^Z (Benjamin John Walter) Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm) (A computer genius) Re: Why doesn't EMAIL work? (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer)) Re: HHTP/HTML editor for Linux?? (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer)) Re: Real stupid question. What is Motif?? :) (Joseph W. Vigneau) Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR) Re: How to pronounce Linux?? (Andrew Robert Ellsworth) Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm) (Noel Maddy) Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Maxim Spivak) SCSI error...need help (Satya Reddy) Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Jason Saunders) Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Andrew Gillham) Re: Wanted: True color pix-viewer Re: ftp + term suggestions Re: Linux doesn't like my cache Re: Lilo booting last booted OS. Re: New Linux Distribution (Erik Troan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) Subject: Re: Security hole in smail - be careful! Date: 9 Oct 94 18:45:36 GMT Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) oliver@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Christopher Oliver) writes: > I have written a source patch to remove this bug. I have sent the >diff to the the original authors as well. I have removed the method of >exploition which was included in the original post, but I suggested that >the author should write CERT. The patch follows: >*** main.c.orig Fri Oct 7 04:31:28 1994 >- --- main.c Fri Oct 7 04:05:32 1994 >*************** >*** 333,338 **** >- --- 333,339 ---- > } > if (config_file != save_config_file || arg_second_config_file || >+ arg_debug_file || > arg_director_file || arg_router_file || arg_transport_file || > arg_qualify_file || arg_retry_file || arg_smail_lib_dir || > arg_alias_file || operation_mode == REBUILD_ALIASES) This looks like the same one that Ron posted... By the way, doing this patch closes the bug, but removes the capability of actually _using_ -D/-d as a regular user, which may be undesired. The patch I posted a bit ago, isn't as "clean" (i.e. is involves moving some code and changing 1 line) but, at least as far as Ron is concerned, may a "better" approach (i.e. using fopen_as_user()). -- #include | Jim Jagielski | jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | V: 301 286-5964 | | NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | Greenbelt, MD 20771 | F: 301 286-1719 | << Hey! Your karma just ran over my dogma! >> ------------------------------ From: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) Subject: Re: X News-reader for LinuX Date: 6 Oct 1994 08:10:13 GMT Don Rubin (rubin@setinc.com) wrote: : I use XRn and it leaves alot to be desired. Has anyone built : xvNews for Linux? I would be interested in hearing about any : other X newsreaders too. I can't believe no one has mentioned tknews yet! I think it's the best one available at the moment (always a moving target that! ;-) and it supports... THREADS!!!! Quite similar in look to NewsWatcher (for those out there who have used this Mac newsreader). Of course it requires Tcl/TK to run... Get it from: archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/tknews -- Cheers, Jason +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Jason Haar, European SysAdmin Phone: + 44 (256) 790111 | | Motorola Cellular Subscriber Fax: + 44 (256) 790519 | | Basingstoke, Hampshire | | RG21 1PL, ENGLAND Internet: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com | +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: ben@tsunami.demon.co.uk (Benjamin John Walter) Subject: Re: talk/talkd and ^Z Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 21:07:00 +0000 : has anyone else noticed that talk and ytalk really don't like to be : suspended under linux? : this was true from 0.99.1? up to what i'm using now 1.1.48, and through : several versions : of net code... just curious if anybody knows why this is... I've found that... talk goes pretty hyperactive when I try to suspend it! Peace, Ben -- __ _ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / . . . t h e c h o i c e o f a /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ G N U g e n e r a t i o n . . . ------------------------------ From: stevenl@ccnet.com (A computer genius) Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds Subject: Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm) Date: 9 Oct 1994 15:02:34 -0700 Roderick Hoekstra (rdrckhks@dordt.edu) wrote: : Nyaa, I got you all beat. I started with Slackware 1.2.0, : Kernal, what, I don't remember right now. (It was a summer : project, and CS took my computer away at the end of summer -boo : hoo-) I think, though that it's 1.0.8? Yeah, I'm pretty sure : it is. Don't got me beat. Thats when I started too. (And yes, it is 1.0.8. I think slackware is still in that one, even with 2.0) ------------------------------ From: bass@cais2.cais.com (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer)) Subject: Re: Why doesn't EMAIL work? Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:41:10 GMT Paul Pearson (ppearson@folio.com) wrote: : I can't seem to get email working correctly with Linux 1.0.9 : (the Slackware distribution). I am using elm on the virutual : consoles and CAN send messages to other users on the same : system. However, if the user doesn't have an account on the : local system, the mail never reaches them. Also, mail coming : from a remote system never arrives at my Linux box. I have I recently had a similar problem with sendmail and found the mail was arriving is the sendmail mqueue (/usr/spool/mqueue) dir but was not being delivered to the local user. The problem was in the lmail.c code. I've 'fixed' it on my linux box and all is well. : tried mailing directly to the Linux box's IP address (e.g. : user@198.60.24.139) rather than utilizing the name server. This is not exactly related, but user@[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] must have the brackets. Of course, this is not the core of your problem. :-) : I assume that 'deliver' is working correctly because local mail : works fine. I guess my question is, how does 'smail' need to Well, if local delivery is working, is doesn't sound at all like the lmail problem..... : be set up and does it need to run as a background proccess all : the time in order for mail to be delivered/received to/from : remote sites? : Also, I used 'mail' with the verbose mode turned on and I see a : message that says something like: : read error in output from '/usr/bin/uuname' : : ANY suggestions would be helpful -- and please don't say "read : the HOWTO" because I have and it doesn't seem to help me : (perhaps it has the answer but I don't see it). Thanks. : --Paul Pearson : ppearson@folio.com : "Please Wait... Brain booting from floppy." ------------------------------ From: bass@cais2.cais.com (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer)) Subject: Re: HHTP/HTML editor for Linux?? Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:47:20 GMT If no one know of one, I'm about to pull out some of my old Motif code and write one. As I see it, a fairly good Motif based HTML editor is pretty basic stuff and could be a lot of fun. Steven Kornreich (steve@eps.com) wrote: : Is there a compiled HTTP server and HTML editor available for Linux? If : so, what ftp site? : Thanks : -- : Steven Kornreich : Kornreich Communications : steve@eps.com ------------------------------ From: joev@res.WPI.EDU (Joseph W. Vigneau) Subject: Re: Real stupid question. What is Motif?? :) Date: 10 Oct 1994 01:59:19 GMT In article , Martin Eggen wrote: >As the subject says.. Can someone tell me what Motif really is, since >everyone is talking about it..? :-) There is often much confusion on what Motif is.. I'll try to sum it up here. Motif (from the Open Software Foundation) consists of three major parts: 1) mwm, which is a window manager for the X Window System. It attempts to look and feel similar to the Microsoft Windows' window manager (Alt-F4 means quits by default, etc.) 2) It is also a set of libraries to make programming simpler, and to allow applications to have a simlar look and feel to one another. You can usually tell if an application is Motif based if it has a menu bar, and the buttons have a three dimensional appearance. 3) It is a set of conventions to specify how programs should interact with the user. This is the least obvious, as not many programmers follow them, but the OSF does distribute it's Style Guide... Motif is available for Linux from various distributors. SWiM comes to mind (from the ACC bookstore..) I don't have this, nor do I know anyone who does, so I can't comment on quality or whatever... Comments? Questions? -- joev@wpi.edu, joev@hotblack.gweep.net WPI Computer Science Linux! Click Here! ------------------------------ From: mah@ka4ybr.com (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR) Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:07:28 GMT Christopher Wiles (a0017097@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu) wrote: : Jesus, take it to e-mail if you two are going to bash each other. : -- Chris Well said, Chris. This has to be one of the longer "Days of Our Internet Lives" wars I've seen in a long time... perhaps it should be archived on "Best of Internet" or something. - Mark (Just my opinion. Flame on, gentlemen!) -- "Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus." ============================================================ Mark A. Horton ka4ybr mah@ka4ybr.atlanta.com P.O. Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747 mah@ka4ybr.atl.ga.us +1.404.371.0291 : 33 45 31 N / 084 16 59 W mah@ka4ybr.com ------------------------------ From: are1@ritz.cec.wustl.edu (Andrew Robert Ellsworth) Subject: Re: How to pronounce Linux?? Date: 7 Oct 1994 17:56:21 -0500 I guess you guys haven't seen the Mosaic page for linux at sunsite where you "click here to hear how Linus Torvalds pronounces 'Linux'". It goes something like this: "Hi, I'm Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux "lih-nooks"." I'd say that's the definitive answer... Andy Ellsworth are1@cec.wustl.edu ------------------------------ From: noel@garnet.msen.com (Noel Maddy) Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds Subject: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm) Date: 7 Oct 1994 21:28:08 GMT Cameron Newham (cam@iinet.com.au) wrote: : tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts) writes: : >My God. You make me feel like a newbie! My first Linux kernel was : >0.98pl5, but I had only just taken delivery of my (then) shiny new : >486-33 with 8Mb RAM, which I thought was the bee's knees at the time. : Don't feel like a newbie! I joined at 0.99pl12 (i think) : (whatever one was released in May 1993) when I got my 486dx50. Well, I didn't get into it until 0.99pl15...again, when I got a usable computer (DX2/50 for me). Sure love it though. I can hardly wait until wine goes beta and I can dump my DOS/Windows pseudo-OS! (I'd bet that Linux 1.x + wine 0.x will crash a lot less than Windows 3.x! Just shows what version numbers *really* mean, huh? ;-) -- Noel Maddy noel@mail.msen.com Work: ncm@biostat.hfh.edu "There are no infrastructure heros." - Dan McLaren ------------------------------ From: maxims@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Maxim Spivak) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree Date: 7 Oct 1994 17:53:35 GMT In article <373rrl$19kq@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>, DAVID L. JOHNSON wrote: >In article <372tg0$1ai@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin) writes: >>In article <1994Oct5.141142.773@muvms6>, >>Andy Bailey wrote [in c.o.l.misc]: >>>[...] >>> > >This is arleady avialable. Try GREAT. Really. It takes a while to >configure, and you should have Motif to get the best performance, but it has >lots of options. How is GREAT`s performance now? I tried .90 with static Motif, and it was _slow_ on an 8 MB machine. I do have Motif libs now, and also have 16 MB of RAM, but will it slow the machine to a halt if I load it up and open an emacs as well? Max -- ************************************************************************** Maxim Spivak | #include University of California, Berkeley | #include maxims@ucsee.eecs.berkeley.edu | #include ".signature" ------------------------------ From: satya@netcom.com (Satya Reddy) Subject: SCSI error...need help Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 00:26:41 GMT SCSI error: HELP APPRECIATED: ========================================== System configuration: 386DX, Single IDE Maxtor disk with DOS installed. Upgrade: installed a SCSI board and a SCSI Maxtor disk with linux installed, with target_id set to 3. I am getting the following disk erros while booting Linux from the floppy disk. Partition Check: sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 hda: Maxtor 7120AT, 124MB W/64KB cache, CHS-9361417 max mult=16 hda: hda1 SCSI disk request error: invalid device ll_rw_block: only 765483-char block implemented (1024) MINUX-fs: unable to read super block.. And it goes on with more error messages and hangs... What i suspect is that it is trying to read from the DOS disk and not the SCSI disk. How can I force the booting process to read from the SCSI disk or how can I tell that the SCSI disk visible to the system at all ? Thanks for your help... ===== End Included Message ===== ------------------------------ From: maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Jason Saunders) Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? Date: 9 Oct 1994 23:21:34 +0100 In article , iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) writes: +>For a fun discussion of this, there is a series of articles were Linus +>and Andy Tanenbaum 'discussed' the merits of both of these when Linux +>was in it's infancy. +The discussion is on sunsite.unc.edu if you can ever get it to work. Whereabouts on sunsite is the discussion? The Linux area on there is quite large to say the least! Cheers, Jason -- Jason L Saunders Argo Business Consultants 22 Samuel Hayward House, Roseberry Avenue, Coventry, UK, CV2 1QR Tel: (0203) 666454 ------------------------------ From: gillham@andrews.edu (Andrew Gillham) Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? Date: 7 Oct 1994 16:48:09 GMT In article <37291g$mc4@j51.com> fsosi@j51.com (NightHawk) writes: > >Woody Jin (wjin@moocow.cs.uh.edu) wrote: >: In article <36nd1u$d80@pdq.coe.montana.edu>, >: Nate Williams wrote: >: >In article <36djkn$nm8@girtab.usc.edu>, Po-Han Lin wrote: >: >>386bsd is monolithic (controlled I guess), while linux is non-monolithic. >: > >: >You were misinformed. Both Linux and the BSD's use monolithic kernels. >: >For a fun discussion of this, there is a series of articles were Linus >: >and Andy Tanenbaum 'discussed' the merits of both of these when Linux >: >was in it's infancy. > >: BTW, I have a question. Compiling FreeBSD kernel in 386 is much faster >: than compiling Linux kernel in 486 with twice memory. >: I found that Linux compiles everything whatever options I choose. >: Am I doing something wrong, or is it the feature of Linux ? > >You cannot compare apple with orange. Try to compile the same source code >with the same gcc release. > >NH He's not, you're turning Oranges into Applesauce. Odd, that wasn't how I *read* his question. My understanding of his question was: "Why is the Linux make rebuilding everything? Is this normal behavior, or do I have something incorrectly configured? Just as a comparison, a FreeBSD system that I have access seems to function correctly with regard to dependencies." So.. why do you jump down his throat? You're giving your fellow *BSD'ers a bad rep. You could simply say "It would be better to ask this in a Linux group" or just not bother. Anyway, I don't have the answer to his question, maybe the date is wrong on your Linux box, and you need to set it. i.e. All of your .o files are created sometime after 1-1-80 but the sources are from 9-1-94 or similar. Or that's the way it works, or you need to run make depend.. Anyway, I imagine a Linux hacker will know. -Andrew -- ========================================================== Andrew Gillham gillham@andrews.edu LAN/WAN/Netware/Unix Analyst gillham@whirlpool.com ========================================================== ------------------------------ From: manolo@fobos.ulpgc.es () Subject: Re: Wanted: True color pix-viewer Date: 9 Oct 1994 23:55:28 GMT Arjan van Oeveren (arjano@htsa.hva.nl) wrote: : Hello, [...] XFree86-3.1 displays in 24 bpp if you have the appropriate hardware For console, try zgv-* MGM ------------------------------ From: manolo@fobos.ulpgc.es () Subject: Re: ftp + term suggestions Date: 9 Oct 1994 23:58:04 GMT Raymond Kraft (ray@eskimo.com) wrote: : Hello, : Does anyone know if there is a version of ftp that works with term? : I've got xftp-2.2.athena+term, but I'm curious if there is anything : else available. Thanks in advance. [...] Try ncftp-1.8.3 it works very well (1.8.5)does not work (I don't know why) MGM ------------------------------ From: manolo@fobos.ulpgc.es () Subject: Re: Linux doesn't like my cache Date: 10 Oct 1994 00:10:29 GMT David Flood (dcflood@u.washington.edu) wrote: : I recently upgraded my mother board and memory from a 386sx16 w/ 4M to a : 386dx40 with 5M. This new bard has a 128K cache on it that when enabled, : an attempted recompile of the kernel will bomb out with several errors : that a restart of the compile will run right by until another error occurs. : But with the cache disabled, everything runs just fine. : Also, with the cache, I get a lot faster response and speed with a : BogoMip rating of around 7.8-7.9. Without it it is closer to 4.0. How : can I keep the cache and (perhaps more importantly) does anyone know of a : program to test cache memory incase I have a bad chip? I'm sorry for you but most probably you've got a defective DRAM in your cache. Maybe someone grabbed the MB with his dirty, static fingers? It is hard to check out, I know about some late BIOS that make a cache check but... Don't get mad anyway and ask your supplier to replace the MB - if possible 8-) MGM ------------------------------ From: rutger@kub.nl () Subject: Re: Lilo booting last booted OS. Date: 10 Oct 1994 01:09:57 GMT Werner Almesberger (almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch) wrote: : In article <36s7k8$r7j@kubds1.kub.nl> rutger@arrakis.kub.nl () writes: : > I would like to know if it is possible that Lilo will boot the last booted : > OS. E.g. if I boot Linux then Lilo will keep on booting linux 'till I select : > another OS (MS-Dos). : LILO 0.15 will have this. : > I liked this feature in the SLS distribution (0.99.X), but it is gone in : > the slackware distribution. : Well, there it was a misfeature, causing quite a lot of complaints. : The trick there was to use /sbin/lilo -R in some /etc/rc* to set the : new default. Ah, I C. and when will LILO 0.15 be out? Rutger. ------------------------------ From: ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan) Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution Date: 9 Oct 1994 19:46:20 GMT In article <372kef$s37@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, Alexandra Griffin wrote: >In article <370us8$fnl@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>, >Erik Troan wrote: >>[...] >>Don't forget less used. Python may be good, but it's not ubiquitous. If you >>leave out sed and awk you're breaking a lot of shell scripts. How many >>makefiles use sed or awk in them? None of those will work if you remove them. > >Agreed, and what's with this desire to strip away so many of the >normal Unix utils? sed + awk <200K (slack 2.0 binaries), and most of >the other shell tools are similarly small. Leaving out development Yikes you got me out of context. I'm against stripping the tools away. Erik -- ============================================================================ "Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************