From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:13:16 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #919 Linux-Misc Digest #919, Volume #2 Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:13:16 EDT Contents: Mystery Chip...AMD (RYAN Colin Patrick) Linux X11R6 XFree86 3.0 support for S3 86C805 (Daniel Ho) DOes Linux runs Xenix binaries? (Mike Jagdis) 540 MB drive problems, anyone? (Joseph W. Vigneau) Re: 320x200 Xconfig line (John Comyns) NCR SCSI and NEC 2Xi (D M Leigh) Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) (Chris Bitmead) Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Grant Edwards) Re: help computerize a library (J.J. Paijmans) Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (J.J. Paijmans) Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Christopher A Chambers) Advantage of having sound card (Glenn Jayaputera) Re: WARNING: Xfree-3.1 XF86_Mach32 may damage non-green monitors! (Daniel Quinlan) Re: Newest Linux Journal? (Bob Collie) Re: AFS Linux? (Eric Kasten) Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!! (Steve Champagne) Re: 540 MB drive problems, anyone? (Bill West) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson) Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Terence S. Murphy) Re: /lib/ld.so: cache ... is corrupt. Help. (Thomas Pfau) Gateway Sound Card & Sony 33a CDROM (C.W. Southern) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin From: ryan@ecf.toronto.edu (RYAN Colin Patrick) Subject: Mystery Chip...AMD Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 21:44:41 GMT While responding to an add inteh local paper for a $99 486 upgrade it came to light that this upgrade was a quote "486/66 Mhz" which was a "faster chip and less expensive than the i486DX2-66". This propted my query on what the hell this chip was and the response was AMD. I was not aware of this chip. I was under the impression that all the 66's 75's 100's etc (non-Pentium) were overclocked 33 Mhz chips. Does a 'real' 66 Mhz chip exist? If so (and I dont' think so" do traditional mother boards ( ie that could handle a DX2) support this chip. And Finally, if this is true is it compatble and reliable. INquiring minds want to know!! ;-)) Thanks...Colin -- Colin P. Ryan Ceramic Engineer and Computer Hobbyist LINUX E-mail: ryan@ecf.utoronto.ca INSIDE !!!!!!! =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: danielho@netcom.com (Daniel Ho) Subject: Linux X11R6 XFree86 3.0 support for S3 86C805 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 08:09:35 GMT Is there anyone using S3 86C805 on Linux X11R6 XFree86 3.0? I have installed linux using Yggdrasil Fall 1994 release, and found that the video does not work after exiting from X window. What happens is that the screen will be black except the cursor after exiting from X window. Do I need a new driver? Does anyone have the same problem? The video card I use is miroCrystal 10SD using the S3 80C805 chip set. Please respond to me through danielho@netcom.com. Thank you dan ------------------------------ From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis) Subject: DOes Linux runs Xenix binaries? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 23:05:00 +0000 * In message , Anrea Gozzi said: ag> The title says it all... The iBCS emulator (tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/ALPHA/ibcs2) can handle Xenix 386 binaries although it isn't well tested at all. 286 Xenix _may_ happen sometime in the future. Mike ------------------------------ From: joev@res.WPI.EDU (Joseph W. Vigneau) Subject: 540 MB drive problems, anyone? Date: 11 Oct 1994 21:08:00 GMT I'm about to purchase a P54c system from Dell, and it is being shipped with a 540 Meg drive.. I've heard that Linux had trouble with 540 IDE drives. I'd like to devote this disk entirely to Linux (no need for DOS/Win :) Any info? -- joev@wpi.edu, joev@hotblack.gweep.net WPI Computer Science Linux! Click Here! ------------------------------ From: jcomyns@panix.com (John Comyns) Subject: Re: 320x200 Xconfig line Date: 11 Oct 1994 17:26:00 -0400 In article , Peter Mutsaers wrote: > HH> If your server/chipset driver provides a 12.5 MHz clock, you can define > HH> a sane 320x400 mode and work with that. > >However, the SVGA server from XFree 3.1 knows 320x200x256 without the >need for a modeline; choose generic svga and it works. Could someone please post a sample XF86Config. I tried to get it working in 320x200x256 but I had no luck. I looked in the man pages but didn't see anything. John ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc From: cbs3dml@leeds.ac.uk (D M Leigh) Subject: NCR SCSI and NEC 2Xi Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 20:23:38 +0100 (BST) I've been running OS/2 quite happily on my system using the NCR SCSI chipset and I'm now considering buying a CD-ROM drive. I have been told that the NEC is not as fast as many double speed drives but it seems to me that there would be an advantage (financial mainly but also in config matters) in going for the NEC 2Xi. Has anyone had any experience with this particular combination - does it give satisfactory performance, are there any incompatibility problems with software/hardware/CD-ROMs (I've been told that some drives won't read some disks). Comments on this combination for Linux would also be appreciated. As always, email responses would be preferred to follow-ups. Thank you all for any help you can give me. daniel -- ============================================================================== Daniel M Leigh (Info Sys / Man St) Can I have my 15 minutes please? cbs3dml@leeds.ac.uk ...or will I only get 15 lines on Usenet? ============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: chrisb@stork.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Chris Bitmead) Subject: Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) Date: 11 Oct 94 17:14:54 In article <1994Oct1.132237.407@golem.greenie.muc.de> andi@golem.greenie.muc.de (Andi Kleen) writes: >In article <19941001024823.AAA7336@emile.math.ucsb.edu>, >Axel Boldt wrote: >>Jiann-Ming> Why would Linux go away? >> >>Hurd, maybe? Are they planning an 486 version at all? > >Hurd is being developed on a Compaq 386. Hurd is available for 386, but I thought it was being developed on DEC Alpha. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 19:36:28 GMT Byron A Jeff (byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu) wrote: : Folks neither TeX, groff, or another other typesetter, or emulated : WP like WordPerfect under DOS/WINDOWS or SCO is going to cut it : here. A Wordprocessor is such a critical resource in a computing : system that Linux has the potential of never making inroads beyond : its supposed "hacker/Unix junkie" clientele. I, for one, don't have any problem with that. I don't claim to be in possesion of the one true set of beliefs and feel no need to proselytize. If MS-Windows does what needs to be done for the guy in the next cubicle, then I see no reason to try to shove Unix at him. : Linux needs it's own Wordprocessor. Something simple, elegant, and : moderately powerful. And we need it yesterday. I might use a Linux word processor if it existed, but then again I might not. I like LaTeX and it's free, and it's available for my other machines, so my documents are portable. : The question is how to accomplish this? Well, you write one. If you can't write one, and the people who can don't want one, then you're kind of stuck. That's the "nice" thing about MS-Windows -- there are a whole bunch of people who get paid to write programs for people who can't do it for themselves. Then you have to pay the people who paid the programmers if you want to use the results. -- Grant Edwards |Yow! someone in DAYTON, Ohio Rosemount Inc. |is selling USED CARPETS to a |SERBO-CROATIAN grante@rosemount.com | ------------------------------ From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) Subject: Re: help computerize a library Date: 11 Oct 1994 08:30:37 GMT In article <1994Oct10.205409.22982@midway.uchicago.edu> goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >bob@cocoa-puffs (Robert J. Chassell) writes: >> >>The public library in Lenox, Massachusetts, has received a grant from ... >>I have talked to the library's director, Dennis Lesieur. He has >>nothing against freely redistributable software; but he knows nothing ... >>I am looking for advice to give, for volunteers to help remotely via >>email, and, if possible, for a local volunteer to install and maintain >>systems. > >Let me get this straight: The pub library in Lenox has just received >a grant to do something the director hasn't the faintest idea how to >do, and they're not using the money to hire competent systems analysts >to do the implementation, but rather trying to solicit volunteers to >do the work (and afterwards maintain the software)? > >I suspect this isn't what you mean. As it comes off at first glance, >this seems a recipe for disaster. I can put in touch with some very >competent people who could do the work. They aren't independently >wealthy, though, and to get them and their time a few dollars would >need to fall their way.... > I don't see what is so ridiculous in trying to get free advice by posting on Internet. I don't know about your friends who "need a few dollars to fall their way", but a few experiences with that kind of people have shown me that *if and when* they enter in a library or some such institution where the staff self-admittedly has not much experience, they just grab as much money as they can and run. If there is a recipe-for-disaster then that is hiring people to do a job you yourself have not oriented yourself in (mmm... this sentence will not get me the Nobel prize for literature, but it should be clear). Funny thing is: one of the best IR-systems (Salton's SMART) actually can be downloaded for free. It compiles on Linux too! So why should Robert fork out tens of thousands of dollars to obtain this knowledge? Paai. ------------------------------ From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? Date: 11 Oct 1994 08:33:51 GMT In article <1994Oct10.172638.620@tanuki.twics.com> craig@tanuki.twics.com writes: ... > >This is an ongoing debate. If a text editor + LaTeX is a >viable alternative to a standard word processor like MS Word in >an office environment, then there needs to be some way to share >documents with other platforms. We use RTF to share between >Mac/Windows. If software for Linux can't do this, then it >should be able to read it plain text and translate the >"lf" characters. In the case of a Mac, this is ^M. > ... > >Craig Oda craig@twics.com ^^^ ========| Are you aware of the applicability of your name to the subject :-) Paai. ------------------------------ From: cchamber@utdallas.edu (Christopher A Chambers) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware Date: 11 Oct 1994 17:36:02 GMT Yan Xiao (yxiao@umabnet.ab.umd.edu) wrote: : 3. Plug-and-Play, no-plug, no-play: waning CD-ROM can be a challenge : We didn't install everything (has anyone?), thus we picked : packages we wanted from control-panel. Guess what, we still : have pointers to CD-ROM, such as /usr/X386/lib/libX11*. I encountered this problem also, and I did install the packages from the CD onto disk, all that needed to be done is the moving of some links.. The only thing that bugs me about the package, is on the back of the users guide, harware compatability list, it sows that the NCR chips are experimental, which my chip, the 53c7xx (53c700-66) is listed, but I can't get anything at all to work on my SCSI bus. I've even recompiled the driver with debug information turned on, and rebuilt the kernal (I can do all this since the Yggdrasil CD supports my 1.8gig HD from DOS Bios callbacks), still to no avail. I've found that where other plain slackware distributions wouldn't work, at least I can get a system up and running with Yggdrasil. The only problem with the DOS Bios access of my harddrive, occurs while I am in X, then everytime the HD accesses, the mouse locks for one minute. I can fix it by CTRL-ALT F4, then ALT F5, but it really gets annoying.. So If someone can please help me out.. I need a new driver for the NCR53c700-66 (Or Forex line of VLB SCSI cards) Just my 2 cents... Chris Chambers cchamber@utdallas.edu ------------------------------ From: gtj@werple.apana.org.au (Glenn Jayaputera) Subject: Advantage of having sound card Date: 10 Oct 1994 21:37:20 +1000 WOndering if I have a lot of advantages if I buy a sound card for my linux box. -- Cheers Glenn T. Jayaputera ------------------------------ From: quinlan@freya.yggdrasil.com (Daniel Quinlan) Subject: Re: WARNING: Xfree-3.1 XF86_Mach32 may damage non-green monitors! Date: 11 Oct 1994 21:41:09 GMT Reply-To: quinlan@yggdrasil.com Andreas Koppenhoefer writes: > That's only true while NOT running X. Linux console driver blanks my > screen correctly while displaying a console screen. But with X on > display the X-screensaver determines blanking behaviour and not the > console driver! You're right about this -- the command you can use to set this behavior is `xset'. > [...] Well, what's better: posting warnings or the possibility of > blowing several monitors? Post a warning when you are certain about the possibility of danger. What you posted was complete conjecture, an uncertain warning to a public newsgroup. It would have been better to send a query to the XFree86 developers so that they could investigate the problem and issue a warning if necessary. - Dan -- Daniel Quinlan ------------------------------ From: collieb@iia.org (Bob Collie) Subject: Re: Newest Linux Journal? Date: 6 Oct 1994 17:52:38 GMT Kevin K. Lewis (lewikk@grasshopper.aud.alcatel.com) wrote: : Can anyone tell me if they've received the newest (November?) issue of : Linux Journal, yet? I just subscribed to the magazine and they said that the November issue will be mailing during the next week. Hope this helps, Bob Collie collieb@iia.org : I had to call and tell them I never received my October issue (which : they promptly shipped -- kudos for that!). I'm just wondering if the : same problem might have occurred with my November issue. : Thanks for any info. : -- : Kevin K. Lewis | My opinions may be unreasonable : lewikk@aud.alcatel.com | but such is the voice of inspiration ------------------------------ From: tigger@tigger.cl.msu.edu (Eric Kasten) Subject: Re: AFS Linux? Date: 12 Oct 1994 01:07:39 GMT Reply-To: tigger@tigger.cl.msu.edu (Eric Kasten) Dan Pop (danpop@cernapo.cern.ch) wrote: : In <37cakc$h64@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu> mtanen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Michael J. Tanenhaus) writes: : >Anyone heard if this will be ported? : > : AFS is proprietary software. If you have a source code licence from : Transarc, you can port it and use it for yourself. : AFS was already ported at MIT and they're trying to sort out a way of : distributing it (at least to the sites having AFS licences) with : Transarc. Ok, we have a site license. Who could I talk to about getting the patches or some such at MIT or where ever? Thanks! ...tig -- Eric Kasten Michigan State University tigger@tigger.cl.msu.edu My opinions, without a doubt, are all mine. ------------------------------ From: bubbly@dusk.fishkill.ibm.com (Steve Champagne) Subject: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!! Date: 11 Oct 1994 09:21:54 -0400 Reply-To: bubbly@vnet.ibm.com Based on recent experience, I'd highly recommend Fintronic as a provider of systems pre-configured with Linux. I purchased the following: - Intel 486DX2-66MHz VLB basic system - Buslogic KT-445S VLB SCSI Controller w/ ASPI DOS drivers - 1.0GB, Quantum Empire 1080S, 9ms, 512K cache, 3.5x1" - Conner Viper 2525S 525MB 1/4" SCSI tape - Viewsonic 17, 17", 1280x1024 - #9 GXE Level 11 VLB 2MB, S3-928 - DOS 6.2/Windows 3.1 installed with dual boot (via LILO) For slightly less than $4100 (including shipping). Notes: They said they'd ship 11 days after taking my order... and ended up missing this by 10 days. They were, however, courteous enough to call before the original ship date to let me know that it was being held up. The delay seemed reasonable in light of their having recently gotten favorable press in Byte magazine. All hardware documentation (motherboard, harddrive, controller, video card, tape drive, monitor) and related diskettes were included and well organized. The latest version of a few Linux docs were also included. The machine worked flawlessly right out of the box. Within the first hour of powerup I was in X, compiling, downloading stuff from my online service via 'seyon', and even sneaking a peek at a few jpeg's via 'xv'. One thing that really sticks in my mind (having dealt with "take the money and run" suppliers in the past) is that they didn't bill my credit card until the day they shipped the system. Steve Champagne -- _.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._ | Steven R. Champagne | Opinions expressed herein are solely | | bubbly@vnet.ibm.com | those of the author. | ~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~-._.-~ ------------------------------ From: billw@starbase.neosoft.com (Bill West) Subject: Re: 540 MB drive problems, anyone? Date: 11 Oct 1994 22:41:00 GMT Joseph W. Vigneau (joev@res.WPI.EDU) wrote: : I'm about to purchase a P54c system from Dell, and it is being shipped with : a 540 Meg drive.. I've heard that Linux had trouble with 540 IDE drives. : I'd like to devote this disk entirely to Linux (no need for DOS/Win :) : Any info? I have no problems with mine, 540meg SCSI with aha1522 : -- : joev@wpi.edu, joev@hotblack.gweep.net WPI Computer Science Linux! : Click Here! -- ****************************************************************************** Bill West Houston TX email: billw@starbase.neosoft.com ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) Date: 11 Oct 1994 04:03:23 -0600 Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux hierarchy. See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: blackbob@wwa.com (Terence S. Murphy) Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree Date: 11 Oct 1994 10:16:18 -0500 In article , Andrew R. Tefft wrote: >Anyway I like the idea of a HOWTO, but even better, I like the idea of a >whole package, containing documentation, sample configuration files of >various 'schemes' of things (.fvwmrc's, app-defaults files, whatever), >and a tool to manipulate (choose/install) them. This is even a better idea, yes. I think we should do this! What do others think? -- Terry Murphy | UIUC Frosh/CS Major | "The whole world has been made again" - Marillion | There ought to be an alt.fan.linus-torvalds! | "The S.A.T is not geared for the lower class so why waste time even trying to pass?"-Gang Starr "I never found a companion that was so companionable as solitude"-H.D.Thoreau ------------------------------ From: pfau@kona.digex.net (Thomas Pfau) Subject: Re: /lib/ld.so: cache ... is corrupt. Help. Date: 12 Oct 1994 01:13:39 GMT Reply-To: kona.digex.net kline@juncol.juniata.edu wrote: : I'm currently in a fix. I shutdown my system while doing a tar to tape. The : system shutdown properly but now when I reboot I get: : /lib/ld.so: cache "/etc/ld.co.cache' is corrupt. I think you mean '/etc/ld.so.conf'. This should be a list of directories which should be searched for shared libraries. Mine contains the following: ==========cut here========== /usr/local/lib /usr/X386/lib /usr/openwin/lib ==========cut here========== : When I shutdown, i get: : ... /etc/mtab.temp : no room on device. Try 'df' and 'df -i'. You are either out of disk space or out of inodes. -- tom_p | I could get a new lease on life pfau@cnj.digex.net | if only I didn't need the first | and last month in advance. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: cws9669@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.W. Southern) Subject: Gateway Sound Card & Sony 33a CDROM Reply-To: cws9669@ultb.rit.edu () Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:36:11 GMT I have a system with a sound card that Gateway provided in my machine. Connected to that sound card is my Sony 33a CDROM, which they also provided. For the life of me I can't get the CDROM or the sound card to work under kernel 1.1.18/Slackware2.0. I have tried compiling the kernel with different sound options but none work. Does anyone out there have this combination? If so how did you get it to work??? chris. -- Chris Southern RIT Computer Science E-mail: cws9669@ultb.rit.edu WWW: http://ultb.rit.edu/~cws9669 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************