From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 14:13:14 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #923 Linux-Misc Digest #923, Volume #2 Wed, 12 Oct 94 14:13:14 EDT Contents: Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system? (Jeff Kesselman) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson) X-window help in Linux (please) (Franco Gerace) Commercial CD packages (Kevin Penrose) Which distribution on CDROM and Sony CDROM support? (G.J.Heezen) Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (zachary brown) Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) (Chris Bitmead) Microsoft Keyboard users? (Jason A. Philbrook) Re: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone? (ACC Corp.) Help !! Kernel compile problems (wayne e. smith) Can't compile W.R. Stevens's book Adv. Prog. (Stryder) smail configuration woes... (Douglas Lenz) Re: Removeable-media support in Linux ? (Don Rubin) Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (John Palaima) Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (scott@minotaur.alve.com) Re: LOCAL: Meeting for Linux Enthusiasts in Atlanta (Dan Newcombe) Re: X-window help in Linux (please) (Chabane Rezzik) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) Subject: Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system? Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 08:38:10 GMT In article , Steven M. Doyle wrote: >In longyear@netcom.com (Al Longyear) writes: > >>keithk@nando.net (Keith Kee) writes: > >>>Is linux a multithreaded operating system? > >>No. It is multi-user. > >I am somewhat confused on this issue. What exactly is multi-threaded? And >are multi-threaded and multi-user mutually exclusive? > >Ever confused.... =) >-- You SHOUDL be confused, because so was the last poster! :) Linux is a UNIX work-alike. In these matters it is very similar. UNIX is a true pre-emptive multi-tasking operating system. This means that multiple 'processes' may be run at once and that they share the available resources, such as the CPU. A program will be one or more processes (a program can 'fork' itself to start new processes. Thsi is hwo most daemons operate.) Because you can run many process at once, you can run many programs, or many copies of the same program at once. UNIX implements multi-user access by running a seperate 'shell' process for each user. (There are actually other process invovled too, such as getty which handles the terminal io, but thats more detail then you probobly need.) So yes, UNIX is multi-threaded in the sens that there are multiple threads of control operating in a time-sliced fashion. The term 'threading' is often used in multi-tasking system however to denote a 'lesser form' of multi-taskign that goes on completely within a single process. thsi is also sometimes called 'light-weight multi-tasking'. UNIX (and Linux) don't inhearently preclude this, but implementation of it is up to the makers of a light-weight tasking library (such as the berkley light-weight multi-tasking library) or teh compiler system in cases where light-weight multi-tasking is built directly into the compiler system (as in Modula2). All of the above are generalizations. If you REALLY want to know more then you can pick up an intro operating systems text. Particularly useful would be one that discuss UNIX in detail. Jeff Kesselman ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) Date: 9 Oct 1994 04:03:11 -0600 Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux hierarchy. See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: f_gerac@pavo.concordia.ca (Franco Gerace) Subject: X-window help in Linux (please) Date: 12 Oct 1994 10:13 -0500 I managed to install X on my linux box and seem to have configures Xconfig properly. So upon starting "startx" everything runs smoothly. My question is, when I exit X, i see the message . . . "xinit: unknown error (errno 0) client error" What is this aerror for. Everything seems to work fine but this is bugging me. Also, does anyone have any mwm-like system.fvwm configerations I could use. There are a few in the slackware distribution, but I'm sure ther must be some real hot ones out there. --Thanks ------------------------------ From: kpenrose@fooba.ml.com (Kevin Penrose) Subject: Commercial CD packages Reply-To: kpenrose@fooba.ml.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 12:51:49 GMT A quick question if I may... Running linux, with a CD-ROM, can one access (read) commercial cd's such as encyclopedia's, atlases, etc. Don't want windoze if I don't need it! Thanks, Kevin --- ______________________________________________________________________________ Kevin M. Penrose Email: kpenrose@ml.com Merrill Lynch World Financial Center - NT 212-449-5712 New York, NY 10281-1314 ------------------------------ From: g.j.heezen@ct.utwente.nl (G.J.Heezen) Subject: Which distribution on CDROM and Sony CDROM support? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:57:01 GMT Hello, I can buy different distributions of Linux : Snow and Yggdrasil. Does ananbody know, which one is the best? Second, does Linux support Sony CDROM players? Hope, somebody can answer these questions. Jan Heezen ------------------------------ From: zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown) Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? Date: 12 Oct 1994 10:50:50 -0400 In article <37fdfv$4tm@news.dmpe.csiro.au>, Mat Ballard wrote: >more seriously, i'd like to suggest that what is needed, particularly >to appeal to the average dos/win user, is a series of useful and capable >applets, in roughly this order of need: > > 0. a very simple editor, like "notepad"; > 1. a word processor: maybe similar to "write"; > 2. a spreadsheet: similar to "quattro pro dos"; > 3. a paint program: similar to "paintbrush"; > 4. a draw program: something the drawing package in "amipro"; > 5. a pim / calendar: something better than "calendar", but simpler > than "organiser"; > 6. a database: like DBase 3;. > If the whole point is to give linux things that windows has already, why not just wait for WINE? Running the programs they already know and love will appeal much more strongly to the average dos/win user. About a year ago (as someone already mentioned in this thread), some people tried to write a WYSIWYG LaTeX interface. If something with that kind of power is not the object of this discussion, whoever takes this project on will just be wasting their time, in my opinion. There may be no WINE before its time, but I think WINE will be running word for windows long before a comparably powerful packages can be put together for Linux. The lead is just too great. I think that rather than trying to appeal to the dos and windows users, this project should follow the Unix tradition of doing things right. There is no need to appeal to the dos and windows users. They are flocking to Linux almost as fast as they are hearing about linux, and the reasons are growing daily. But I for one would hate to see Linux turned into merely a multitasking dos. One of the evils of Word and WordPerfect etc., is that you can't without great difficulty, work on files in a different word processor. They do this and other things on purpose, to make you dependant on their program. I suggest that people reconsider a WYSIWYG LaTeX interface, keeping in mind that it would not have to contain every LaTeX feature in order to be useable and to create LaTeX output. There would be no need to know LaTeX, yet it would be there for manual tweaking and editing with vi at your friend's house. Also, it already exists and is an exceptional package. Why reinvent the wheel? Just put a motor on it and watch it go. Just my opinion. -ZB- ------------------------------ From: chrisb@stork.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Chris Bitmead) Subject: Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) Date: 12 Oct 94 15:41:47 In article <37e1c2$30r@lynx.dac.neu.edu> zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown) writes: >NNTP-Posting-Host: lynx.dac.neu.edu > >In article , >Chris Bitmead wrote: >>In article <1994Oct1.132237.407@golem.greenie.muc.de> andi@golem.greenie.muc.de (Andi Kleen) writes: >> >>>In article <19941001024823.AAA7336@emile.math.ucsb.edu>, >>>Axel Boldt wrote: >>>>Jiann-Ming> Why would Linux go away? >>>> >>>>Hurd, maybe? Are they planning an 486 version at all? >>> >>>Hurd is being developed on a Compaq 386. >> >>Hurd is available for 386, but I thought it was being developed on DEC >>Alpha. >> >I thought it was supposed to eventually be hardware independant. The hurd is (mostly) hardware independant, but the underlying Mach micro-kernel is not. ------------------------------ From: jasonph@wpi.edu (Jason A. Philbrook) Subject: Microsoft Keyboard users? Date: 12 Oct 1994 16:15:38 GMT Has anyone used the new microsoft keyboard (funky shaped thing) with linux sucessfully? I might get one soon as this keyboard is about to die. If anyone has, have you got the new symbol key to work? No general comments about Microsoft please. Thanks, Jason Philbrook ------------------------------ From: info@acc-corp.com (ACC Corp.) Subject: Re: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 14:50:27 GMT In Article , mark@gcs.com (Mark Bolzern) wrote: >In article <1994Oct5.184600.20175@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, wrote: >>Does anyone have the phone for ACC Bookstore? They are Linux CD/book >>disktributors. >>^^^^^^ >> >>Ed Gonzalez >>edg@comm.mot.com > >203-454-3242 Tel >203-454-2582 Fax > I suppose we should add to this thread... ACC's phone numbers and contact info is: (800) 546-7274 This is good in the North America - ie Canada and Mexico as well. (203) 454-5500 This is a new local # although 454-3242 will also work. Fax: (203) 454-2582 email: info@acc-corp.com regular mail: ACC Corp. 136 Riverside Ave, Westport CT, 06880-4606 Cheers, Bob. ACC Bookstores "Home of the PC UNIX - Linux Catalog" 1 (800) 546-7274 info@acc-corp.com ------------------------------ From: smithwe@netcom.com (wayne e. smith) Subject: Help !! Kernel compile problems Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 14:14:51 GMT ------------------------------ From: stryder@access4.digex.net (Stryder) Subject: Can't compile W.R. Stevens's book Adv. Prog. Date: 12 Oct 1994 02:25:49 -0400 I'm trying to compile the examples in the book "Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment", by W. Richard Stevens. If anyone has been able to do this, I'd appreciate some tips. Thanks. stryder@access.digex.net _____________________________________________________________________________ Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try. No hell below us, And above us only sky. John Lennon _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: doug@interaccess (Douglas Lenz) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help Subject: smail configuration woes... Date: 12 Oct 1994 05:50:57 GMT Reply-To: doug@interaccess.com I'm currently connecting to the internet via a dialin PPP connection. I've configured smail to route mail through my PPP host as a smart_host (I'm using it right now), but it only works if I'm actually connected via PPP. If I try to send mail while I'm not connected, I get the following: |------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------| lenz@comm.mot.com ... transport smtp: connect: Network is unreachable |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------| I've tried using the 'retry' file and durations in my smail config, but it insists on dying if my PPP connection is not up when I try to send mail. Is there ANY way to be able to have smail retry sending mail if the smtp connection is down? Right now I've kludged it my having smail only queue mail. Then when I start up my PPP connection, I enable smail to process the queue in the background. When I shut down my PPP connection it likewise kills smail so that it won't try sending anything. Certainly there must be a better way. ANY help would be appreciated (I can forward my config files if needed). Thanks in Advance! Doug doug@interaccess.com lenz@comm.mot.com ------------------------------ From: rubin@setinc.com (Don Rubin) Subject: Re: Removeable-media support in Linux ? Date: 12 Oct 1994 14:56:33 GMT Reply-To: rubin@setinc.com I have been having trouble getting Linux up on a system with only a single Bernoulli drive. When the Slackware SCSI kernel boots it recognises the CD but doesn't see the Bernoulli. The controller is an Adaptec AHA-1520 but when it boots it thinks its something else (ProAudio I think I'm not at the machine now). Any ideas? Don -- ,,, (o o) _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _ _/ oOO--(_)--OOo _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Don Rubin Voice: 301-588-8010 _/ _/ Systems Engineering Technology Inc. Fax: 301-588-0154 _/ _/ 9703 Forest Glen Court Internet: rubin@setinc.com _/ _/ Silver Spring, MD 20910-1121 Compuserve: 70402,2714 _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ------------------------------ From: jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Palaima) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD Date: 12 Oct 1994 16:16:24 GMT In article , Rob Kean wrote: >AMD is about to release, yes you guessed it, their 486DX2-80MHz!!!!! > >From what I've heard through my venders, It will run about $20 more than an >Intel 66MHz. Hah. Apparently you didn't hear that the Am486 DX/2 66 could be safely over-clocked to run at 80Mhz. All the DX2-80 is is a relabeled DX2-66. That's why it's not much more expensive. It's the same chip. Anyone wanna take bets that new 66Mhz chips will be "crippled" so they can't be over- clocked? :) -- Richard Cooley Extraordinaire "Yeah. Arrgh." rcooley96@dgl.ssc.mass.edu These are my opinions, not MITs etc... rcooley@nyx.cs.du.edu Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux "LILO - it's not just a boot loader, it's a way of life" -- me -- what, no suck^H^H^H^Htakers? :) ------------------------------ From: scott@minotaur.alve.com Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD Date: 5 Oct 1994 23:49:57 -0500 > While responding to an add inteh local paper for a $99 486 upgrade it came > to light that this upgrade was a quote "486/66 Mhz" which was a "faster chip and > less expensive than the i486DX2-66". This propted my query on what the hell > this chip was and the response was AMD. I was not aware of this chip. I was > under the impression that all the 66's 75's 100's etc (non-Pentium) were > overclocked 33 Mhz chips. Does a 'real' 66 Mhz chip exist? If so (and I dont' The chip is manufactured (here in Austin, I might add) by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD). It is an internally clock-doubled 33MHz CPU, just like the i486DX2-66. As far as I know, there are no 'real' 66 MHz chips. The pin-out is identical to the Intel; it is supposed to work in Intel 486-compatible motherboards, although from experience this is not always the case. > think so" do traditional mother boards ( ie that could handle a DX2) support > this chip. And Finally, if this is true is it compatble and reliable. I am running Linux 1.1.45 on a mystery motherboard (UMC chipset) with an AMD 486DX2/66 with no problems, although my first motherboard choice (OPTi chipset) had trouble when I upgraded the cache from 64K to 256K. Older versions of the chip reportedly had problems with Ghostscript, but gs (and everything else) runs just fine on mine. Be sure to get one with the MS Windows- compatible logo on it; these are newer and more compatible, and you can cover up the logo with a heatsink! > > INquiring minds want to know!! ;-)) > Thanks...Colin =============================================================================== Scott Taylor ALVE, L.C. scott@minotaur.alve.com (512) 467-8868 (voice) (512) 467-8898 (FAX) -- =============================================================================== Scott Taylor ALVE, L.C. scott@minotaur.alve.com (512) 467-8868 (voice) (512) 467-8898 (FAX) ------------------------------ From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe) Crossposted-To: git.general,git.cc.general,atl.general Subject: Re: LOCAL: Meeting for Linux Enthusiasts in Atlanta Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 11:09:37 UNDEFINED In article vernard@cc.gatech.edu (Vernard C. Martin) writes: >You are all cordially invited to come and join the first meeting of the >unofficial Georgia Tech Linux Enthusiast Organization on Wednesday October >12th at 5pm at the Georgia Tech College of Computing in Room 201. All >students, faculty, staff, and others are welcome to attend. I'd love to come, but I work until 5pm, and with rush hour traffic, probably wouldn't be there til 7. In the future, why not have the meetings start a bit later for those of us that are not located at Tech, or are not students and have a full-time job and have to travel a bit to get there???? P...p...p...p...p...please!!! (also a little more advanced notice would be nice :) -Dan -- Dan Newcombe newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "And the man in the mirror has sad eyes." -Marillion ------------------------------ From: rezzik@bcarh846.bnr.ca (Chabane Rezzik) Subject: Re: X-window help in Linux (please) Date: 12 Oct 1994 15:07:37 GMT In article <12OCT199410132120@pavo.concordia.ca>, f_gerac@pavo.concordia.ca (Franco Gerace) writes: |> I managed to install X on my linux box and seem to have configures Xconfig |> properly. So upon starting "startx" everything runs smoothly. My question |> is, when I exit X, i see the message . . . |> |> "xinit: unknown error (errno 0) client error" |> |> What is this aerror for. Everything seems to work fine but this is bugging |> me. |> |> Also, does anyone have any mwm-like system.fvwm configerations I could use. |> There are a few in the slackware distribution, but I'm sure ther must be |> some real hot ones out there. |> |> --Thanks |> Same thing is happening to my X. Anybody knows what is the problem? Any fix? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. -- Chabane Rezzik x37615 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************