From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:13:10 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #949 Linux-Misc Digest #949, Volume #2 Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:13:10 EDT Contents: Re: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX??? (David Barth) Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Ian McCloghrie) Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Michael Carpenter) Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so m (ronb@antlabw1.esl.com) Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so m (someone@s96120.u96.stevens-tech.edu) Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (bmccarth@gulfaero.com) Re: Word (Text) Processors for Linux? (davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu) Re: [pine] where is spell(1) ? (btv@ldl.HealthPartners.COM) Re: Advantage of having sound card (grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com) Re: Weakest Linux Box (michaelu31b3hs@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de) Re: Weakest Linux Box (setzerkl@grumpy) Re: Weakest Linux Box (ddj+@pitt.edu) Re: What is Linux good for? (newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu) Re: What is Linux good for? (michaelb@hobbie.bocaraton.ibm.com) Re: What is Linux good for? (jwest@jwest.ecen.okstate.edu) Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processor (grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com) Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working (steve@stevegd.equinox.gen.nz) Re: Syquest and Linux (helmut@nexcom.hanse.de) Re: A badly missed feature in gcc (odonnell@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov) Re: I want SETUID scripts! (hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu) Frame Maker for Linux! (ed@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE) Re: Frame Maker for Linux! (mark@taylor.infi.net) Re: Frame Maker for Linux! (shendrix@escape.widomaker.com) WANTED: Metrolink Motif Update (1.2 (jk94r@ecs.soton.ac.uk) Comments about the Linux WP idea (davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu) Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea (goer@quads.uchicago.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dbarth@carl.fdn.fr (David Barth) Subject: Re: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX??? Date: 15 Oct 1994 12:19:32 +0100 Marc Tamsky (tamsky@pride.ugcs.caltech.edu) wrote: : Working configuration--no problems (believe me, I was amazed I didn't : have to wrestle it to make it work!) Works like a champ... : Intel PCI Premiere II BabyAT motherboard P5/90 256K cache (36.08 Bogomips) Do you know the difference with a Premiere I ? Is it just a bios change ? BTW : is it possible to upgrade to 512 Ko cache on this Intel MB ? TIA -- D.Barth (dbarth@carl.fdn.fr) "Linux, the choice of a GNU generation" ------------------------------ From: ianm@qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD Date: 14 Oct 1994 10:48:19 -0700 wiz@rcsg30.eld.ford.com (Joseph Stanley (Joe) Wisniewski) writes: >AMD had a massive technology trade agreement with Intel that let AMD "copy" >many chips from Intel, including the x86 series processors, just as Intel >could copy many chips from AMD, including bit-slice processors, memory chips, What's more, if I remember correctly, the original reason for this agreement was that Intel wanted to sell to the government, who won't buy anything unless there's a second source for it. (an entirely sensible rule, if you ask me). -- Ian McCloghrie work: ianm@qualcomm.com home: ian@egbt.org ____ GCS d-- H s+:+ !g p? au a- w+ v- C++$ UL++++ US++$ P+>++ \bi/ L+++ 3 E+ N++ K--- W--- M-- V-- -po+ Y+ t+ 5+++ jx R G''' \/ tv- b+++ D- B-- e- u* h- f+ r n- y* The above represents my personal opinions and not necessarily those of my employer, Qualcomm Inc. ------------------------------ From: mikec@hopi.gate.net (Michael Carpenter) Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? Date: 16 Oct 1994 15:44:05 GMT In article <1994Oct10.225658.29173@n5ial.mythical.com> jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham) writes: Of course, the ``^M'' (two characters) is supposed to be a '^M'. You'll need to replace it with a ^M (^V^M in vi, don't know if the '^V' is needed in emacs or not). emacs: ^Q^M >However, thus far, I have been unable to get a Linux text editor like >emacs to do a search and replace of the ^M lf character. simple: M-x replace-string[Ret] ^Q^M[Ret] [Ret] (M-x means (generally) "ESC x") Later... Mike ------------------------------ From: ronb@antlabw1.esl.com Date: 14 Oct 94 21:36 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so m Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom To Kar Keung Isaac (kkto@ipc14.csd.hku.hk) wrote: : In article jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) writes: : >> : >>Well, first off, I've heard that the code for Linux DOOM is pure C, whereas : >>the DOS version has some optimized assembly in it for speed. So you should : >>expect less performance. : The following is just my guess, and I don't know whether there is workaround... : First, DOOM in DOS have the permission to do anything on the machine, but Linux : one can't. The DOS one actually use DMA to transfer data from memory to DMA, : while the Linux one call X to display an image. What it means, with shared : memory, is to copy the data to an area provided by X, then wait X to find : whether any clipping is necessary (e.g. if another window obscure the DOOM : window that shouldn't be displayed), and finally the X server will copy that to : the video memory after a color mapping. That long process should be the : bottleneck of linxdoom. : Second, DOOM in DOS is near to the sole memory user. In Linux, it must compete : with all other clients, like the Xserver, the 4 virtual console, the window : manager, all system daemons, etc., and must also compete CPU time with them. : This is another bottleneck of the linxdoom. : That means that DOS is unique in providing such an environment. Even SGI doom : can't beat it. (However, the superb computational speed and pipeline of the SGI : should be able to compensate the problem completely) : Isaac. ------------------------------ From: someone@s96120.u96.stevens-tech.edu Date: 15 Oct 94 04:48 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so m Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom Jeff Kesselman (jeffpk@netcom.com) wrote: : In article <36ujf0$hvn@hacgate2.hac.com>, Ken Sorensen wrote: : >Thomas Gschwind (tom@csdec1.tuwien.ac.at) wrote: : >: Sujat Jamil (sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu) wrote: : >: : I'd really like to know why does Linux DOOM run significantly slower : >: : on Linux than it does on DOS for the same machine. Is it because it : >: : has to go through multiple layers of X and Linux? I've also played it : >: : on a SGI workstation, where it is reasonably fast. Of course, the : >: : machine also had a 150 MHz MIPS processor. Is there any way to : >: : make doom run faster on Linux besides getting a faster machine? One thing I've noticed-- It runs a HELUVA lot faster in XFree3.1 than it did in previous versions... -- #------------------------------------------------------------------------# | //\\ Jim McPherson | someone@s96120.u96.stevens-tech.edu | | << >> Business Manger, WEXP | jmcphers@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu | | \\// IDC Rep., Palmer 3rd. | jmcphers@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu | #>----------------------------------------------------------------------<# | "Insanity is necessary for understanding." | #>----------------------------------------------------------------------<# | GCS/MU d?>! H-() s+:++ g-(+)>! p1+ !au>- a-- w+ v(-)(?)@>--- C++(+++) | | UL++++S+U+X(-) P? L++>+++ 3- E- N(-) K- W(---)>! M-- V-(--) | | -po+ Y+ t+ !5 j R(+) G'''>'''' !tv() b+ D+ B-- e+(++)>+++ | | u(-)(**) h()@ f+@ r++ n- y+(**) | #------------------------------------------------------------------------# ------------------------------ From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com Date: 14 Oct 94 18:59 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree In article mcc@oat.ncc.up.pt (Manuel Eduardo Correia) writes: >In article <37f7hvINNfan@gulfaero.com> bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy) writes: > >>> Fer example, I idin't know that there is a FVWM homepage on the Web >>> til one fella mentioned it in a post to me. Good stuff there for beginners and >>> advancers alike. > > Could you please tell us poor ignorant souls the location of such a > wonder ;-) ? >-- (snip) Manuel: No problem. The url is http:/neutrino.nuc.berkeley.edu/neutronics/todd/ fvwm.html. It's got a lot of good info for fvwm. I for one wish I had known about the page when I was first starting out in X. The dist I have had a sample system.fvwmrc, but the docs said nothing about GoodStuff, for example. Check it out and have fun! buenas suerte Bill McCarthy bmccarth@gulfaero.com "Isn't it pretty to think so." TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________ LinuX + i486dx2/66 usual disclaimer ------------------------------ From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Date: 15 Oct 94 00:25 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Word (Text) Processors for Linux? Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? In article <37mnds$cl@uuneo.neosoft.com>, jleslie@dmccorp.com (Jerry Leslie) writes: : Regarding "integrate existing editor", why not make it flexible like 'elm' : and 'tin', where a user can specify an editor like 'vi', 'jed', 'emacs', : or our favorite, 'ed' (not the line-mode ed, but an editor patterned after : DEC VMS's EDT editor) ? The idea is that it will be a text-based WYS(Is kind of)WYG wordprocessor. It would makes no sense to do what you suggest. The best that could be done is to make the keybindings customizable. -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # ------------------------------ From: btv@ldl.HealthPartners.COM Date: 14 Oct 94 14:37 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: [pine] where is spell(1) ? In article , wrote: >In Article >pp000547@interramp.com writes: >> >> Hello. >> >> I just noticed that the Pine binary I have on my pC does not >>spell-check. >> >[Chomp] >> >> Bill > >You need to find a spell checking program that is compatible with `spell'. >I use gnu ispell-4.0, which is the obsolete version of ispell, but is >compatible with spell. ispell-3.x is the newer, better version (don't ask), >but is not compatible. You should still be able to find ispell-4.0 on gnu >sites like sunsite.unc.edu. If you have ispell, what you can do is make a symlink from ispell to spell. This is mentioned in the ispell man page. What it says, is that if you run ispell as "spell" (i.e. a symlink), it will operate as the original unix spell did. After creating a symlink from ispell to spell, my Pine spell-checking works great! -Bryan -- btv@ldl.healthpartners.com "The relentless pursuit of perfection" Linux -- The Choice of a GNU Generation "Make it so, Number One." ------------------------------ From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com Date: 14 Oct 94 19:25 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Advantage of having sound card Glenn Jayaputera (gtj@werple.apana.org.au) wrote: : WOndering if I have a lot of advantages if I buy a sound card for my : linux box. I bought one becuase the Linux distritribution I was trying to use wouldn't boot without one. I thought it was the coolest thing ever (well, next to Linux itself) for a couple days. A few months later I realized I hadn't used it at all after those first couple days, so I gave it away. Now that DOOM is out for Linux, I might have to scrounge up a sound card again. -- Grant Edwards |Yow! My mind is making Rosemount Inc. |ashtrays in Dayton.... | grante@rosemount.com | ------------------------------ From: (michael)u31b3hs@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Date: 13 Oct 94 22:06 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box Stormy@Purple.Madness (Stormy Henderson) writes: > I ran Slackware 1.1.1 on a 386sx16 with 4 meg ram and a 20 meg hard drive for > 3 months. It had the a, ap, n, and d disks. Was quite a tight fit. My older machine is a 386-20 with 2MB RAM. I use it to play with SLIP to my 486. It has two MFM drives connected to it and currently runs Linux 1.1.52. Enough to ftp to it, but unusable for serious work. Michael -- Twiggs and root are a wonderful tree (tm) Twiggs & root 1992 :-) d? H- s(+)/(-) g! au a- w v(---) C++(+++) UUL++++S++++?++++ L++ 3 E- N+++ tv b+ e+ h f+ m@ r++ n@ y+ ------------------------------ From: setzerkl@grumpy Date: 14 Oct 94 21:19 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box Michael Haardt ((michael)u31b3hs@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de) wrote: : Stormy@Purple.Madness (Stormy Henderson) writes: : > I ran Slackware 1.1.1 on a 386sx16 with 4 meg ram and a 20 meg hard drive for : > 3 months. It had the a, ap, n, and d disks. Was quite a tight fit. : My older machine is a 386-20 with 2MB RAM. I use it to play with SLIP : to my 486. It has two MFM drives connected to it and currently runs : Linux 1.1.52. Enough to ftp to it, but unusable for serious work. Would a machine along these lines be enough to serve as a terminal (via slip or plip) for my _real_ linux box? Kelly ------------------------------ From: ddj+@pitt.edu Date: 14 Oct 94 23:23 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box In article <1994Oct14.181922.27992@news.vanderbilt.edu>, Kelly Lee Setzer wrote: >: My older machine is a 386-20 with 2MB RAM. I use it to play with SLIP >: to my 486. It has two MFM drives connected to it and currently runs >: Linux 1.1.52. Enough to ftp to it, but unusable for serious work. > > Would a machine along these lines be enough to serve as a terminal > (via slip or plip) for my _real_ linux box? Absolutely. If I can get 8 256k 30 pin SIMMs, I'm going to set up my old 386DX40 motherboard this way (I've got a few spare ethernet cards laying around anyway). You might just want to run free DOS/Windows TCP/IP software for that function though. If you just boot up and run KA9Q, you should get bitchin' performance out of a box like that. KA9Q should have better network performance than the Linux kernel does, I would think. -- Doug DeJulio ddj+@pitt.edu http://www.pitt.edu/~ddj/ ------------------------------ From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu Date: 15 Oct 94 19:33 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: What is Linux good for? In article SA073@getty.onu.edu (Daniel Woodard) writes: >>FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are > That's an outright lie. I looked for a faq. Not finding one, I posted >this message. Where did you look? There is one. There is quite a bit if you count the HOW-TO's etc... -- Dan Newcombe newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "And the man in the mirror has sad eyes." -Marillion ------------------------------ From: michaelb@hobbie.bocaraton.ibm.com Date: 15 Oct 94 01:58 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: What is Linux good for? Daniel Woodard (SA073@getty.onu.edu) wrote: : >FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are : That's an outright lie. I looked for a faq. Not finding one, I posted : this message. Did you go to rtfm.mit.edu?? That's where I go to look for a FAQ. There's always the chance that the posted FAQ has diappeared from my site. -- ==========All Opinions Expressed are MINE, not IBM's============== Michael Rogero Brown (uK Development System Administrator) IBM (uK Development) TEL/TIE (407) 443-6400 Boca Raton, FL Internet: mikal@bocaraton.ibm.com If you think I speak for IBM, then I've got some swamp land^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H real estate to sell you. ------------------------------ From: jwest@jwest.ecen.okstate.edu Date: 15 Oct 94 17:57 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: What is Linux good for? In article newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe) writes: >In article SA073@getty.onu.edu (Daniel Woodard) writes: > >>>FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are >> That's an outright lie. I looked for a faq. Not finding one, I posted >>this message. > >Where did you look? > >There is one. There is quite a bit if you count the HOW-TO's etc... But it is not posted to this group, which is probably the most logical place for a newbie to look (based on names). I think this is a very good argument for support of Ian Jackson's proposal to post the FAQ in all Linux groups. jw > >-- >Dan Newcombe newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >"And the man in the mirror has sad eyes." -Marillion -- Jim West jwest@jwest.ecen.okstate.edu Associate Professor jwest@master.ceat.okstate.edu Electrical and Computer Engineering Oklahoma State University ------------------------------ From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com Date: 15 Oct 94 00:06 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processor Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? Mat Ballard (m.ballard@forprod.csiro.au) wrote: : more seriously, i'd like to suggest that what is needed, particularly : to appeal to the average dos/win user, is a series of useful and capable : applets, in roughly this order of need: I'm not trying to discourage anybody from developing a nice X11 spreadsheet, word processor, drawing program, or whatever. What I don't understand is the wish to make Linux applications appeal to the "average dos/win" user. When developing an application for Linux, shouldn't the concern be to make it appeal to the Linux user? [...] : after a while, this, i think, would get your average dos/win user : happily chugging away on linux. There seems to be an assumed goal of "converting" dos/win users to Linux -- and I don't understand why this is a worthy goal. I'm a bit of a relativist so I have my doubts that there is a "one true faith" (especially regarding OS/language/editor preferences). Do we really care about "market share" like Bill Gates? Do we want Linux to be a mass-market product? -- Grant Edwards |Yow! Boys, you have ALL been Rosemount Inc. |selected to LEAVE th' PLANET |in 15 minutes!! grante@rosemount.com | ------------------------------ From: steve@stevegd.equinox.gen.nz Date: 15 Oct 94 07:49 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working Subject: Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working Eric Silver (silver.e@grin.io.org) wrote: : I tried several times to make the rz and rx part of MINICOM work. : I was trying to download a file from a UNIX BBS and the system : seems to just sit there. I can perform this same function using : DOS based PROCOMM PLUS. The order I do things in is; : $sz filename [Enter] from the shell prompt at the BBS : ctrl-a r : z [Enter] : filename typed in pop up box In the 'configuration' menu, under the 'File transfer protocols' item change program names: /usr/bin/rz -vv and /usr/bin/sz -vv to /usr/bin/rz -vv /dev/modem and /usr/bin/sz -vv /dev/modem and all should work well. Steve ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Stephen F. Gourdie steve@stevegd.equinox.gen.nz (pref) Christchurch Stephen_Gourdie@equinox.gen.nz New Zealand ph (643) 389 4332 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ From: helmut@nexcom.hanse.de Date: 14 Oct 94 02:05 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Syquest and Linux pietrek@euklid.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Georg Pietrek) writes: >I have a Syquest drive (SCSI, 270 MB) and my question is very >simple (hopefully the answer will be simple, too): >How can I use it with Linux ? What about: sort of removable hard disk ??? >Bye > Georg >*-------------------------------------------------------------------* >| Georg Pietrek | pietrek@ls7.informatik.uni-dortmund.de | >| | ___ | >| Universitaet Dortmund | //// | >| Fachbereich Informatik | UNI DO// | >| Lehrstuhl VII | ___ //// | >| D 44221 Dortmund | Tel.: 0049/231/755-6122 \*\\/// | >| Germany | Fax: 0049/231/755-6321 \\\\/ | >*-------------------------------------------------------------------* -- Helmut Schoenborn email: helmut@nexcom.hanse.de Rheingoldweg 13 voice (040) 810 816 22559 Hamburg fax (040) 811 93 74 -- Helmut Schoenborn email: helmut@nexcom.hanse.de Rheingoldweg 13 voice (040) 810 816 22559 Hamburg fax (040) 811 93 74 ------------------------------ From: odonnell@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov Date: 14 Oct 94 23:14 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: A badly missed feature in gcc In article , orc@pell.com (Orc) writes... > > I prefer to use them when writing C++ code. // makes my code >look like assembly language. More like IBM JCL. John ------------------------------ From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu Date: 14 Oct 94 18:44 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: I want SETUID scripts! Followup to: <37l0iv$fe1@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> By author: kevinl@fangorn.cs.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lentin) In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc > > Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) wrote: > > Does anybody have patches for allowing setuid shell scripts? > > Like many other Linux users, the only reason I even have a *user* > > account on my system is mostly to avoid shooting myself on the foot. > > So, I don't care if setuid scripts are unsecure. As long as I can't > > break one on accident, it's fine with me. > > I just searched the source for how this happens and can't find it. I can > find the bit where it extracts the interpreter from the #! line but nowhere > can I find where it inhibits setuid scripts. I'm stumped. > It doesn't! The setuid bit that applies for scripts is the one on the *command interpreter*. It is then up to the command interpreter to decide if it wants to honour the setuid bit on the script (the command interpreter has to be setuid root in order to be able to do this. It is doable with perl, but not with bash). /hpa -- INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu --- Allah'u'abha --- IBM MAIL: I0050052 at IBMMAIL HAM RADIO: N9ITP or SM4TKN FIDONET: 1:115/511 or 1:115/512 STORMNET: 181:294/1 or 181:294/101 Amicule, deliciae, num is sum qui mentiar tibi? ------------------------------ From: ed@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE Date: 14 Oct 94 16:07 GMT+0300 Subject: Frame Maker for Linux! I was at UNIX open in Vienna and the general distributor for Austria told me that Frame will bring with the new version of Frame Maker in March also a Linux Version of Frame Maker. Go on. ------------------------------ From: mark@taylor.infi.net Date: 14 Oct 94 17:49 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Frame Maker for Linux! ed@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Edmund Humenberger) writes: >I was at UNIX open in Vienna and the general distributor for Austria >told me that Frame will bring with the new version of Frame Maker >in March also a Linux Version of Frame Maker. >Go on. I wonder if it will cost $2000 for a single floating license like the SCO version does. -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Mark A. Davis | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk,VA (804)-461-5001x431 | | Director/SysAdmin | Information Systems | mark@taylor.infi.net | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ From: shendrix@escape.widomaker.com Date: 15 Oct 94 07:12 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Frame Maker for Linux! mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes: >ed@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Edmund Humenberger) writes: >>I was at UNIX open in Vienna and the general distributor for Austria >>told me that Frame will bring with the new version of Frame Maker >>in March also a Linux Version of Frame Maker. >>Go on. >I wonder if it will cost $2000 for a single floating license like the SCO >version does. You can get a single for $300 and at school we used to run the single on multiple machines all the time. No idea why. I personally think floating licenses are a ripoff. I know people with more than one machine at home and it's stupid for them to not be able to log into either of them and run a program. Yeah, I know all about loss of sales but I think most of that is BS. >-- > /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > | Mark A. Davis | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk,VA (804)-461-5001x431 | > | Director/SysAdmin | Information Systems | mark@taylor.infi.net | > \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ -- csh =========================================================================== shendrix@escape.widomaker.com | Linux... that's it for the moment ===================================+ ------------------------------ From: jk94r@ecs.soton.ac.uk Date: 14 Oct 94 20:20 GMT+0300 Subject: WANTED: Metrolink Motif Update (1.2 Subject: WANTED: Metrolink Motif Update (1.2.2 to 1.2.4) Can anyone tell where can I get the update version of Metrolink Motif for Linux update for 1.2.2 to 1.2.4? Thanks in advance Joe (jk94r) ------------------------------ From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Date: 15 Oct 94 00:45 GMT+0300 Subject: Comments about the Linux WP idea In article <37mion$kjm@solaria.cc.gatech.edu>, byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes: : I think we can integrate existing editor (JED), menu(dialog), mouse(the : selection replacement of the Mouseless Commander), formatter (QuikScript), : and renderer (GhostScript) into a workable system that can meet the basic : wordprocessing demands of most folks. The fundamental question is how the buffer is going to be implemented--- what will the data structure look like. Fundamentally, a word processor and an editor are very different. I suspect that the best choice for a data structure for the WP would consist of a linked list of paragraphs. Perhaps the paragraph should be implemented as a buffer gap. Also, how will the character attributes be stored? Should we store an attribute with each character? Should the data structure consist of a parallel stream of attributes? Questions like this are going to be fundamental to the development of the WP. I suspect that it is NOT a good idea to integrate an existing editor into the WP. The user interface should be fairly simple to implement. For example, consider my S-Lang library. It already has routines for multiple keymaps, keyboard tty input, Screen Managment Facility (with color), etc... In fact, much of JED is interfaced to this library. The rest of JED consists of routines to handle its representation of the buffer. Finally, I am also working on a Text based window library for S-Lang. One could incorporate this library into the WP to handle windows, Scroll bars, dialog boxes, etc... to make it look pretty. But, the fundamental question remains: What will the representation of the buffer look like? Finally, is this project worth doing? How well does DOSEMU run Wordperfect? Can it run Wordperfect over a serial line? If we ever do get a WP for Linux off the ground and functional, will it be better than Wordperfect running under DOSEMU over a serial line? (I am emphasising serial line because I would like to use something like it remotely from, e.g., a vt100) -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # ------------------------------ From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu Date: 15 Oct 94 08:48 GMT+0300 Subject: Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea Subject: Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu writes: >...what will the data structure look like. Fundamentally, a word processor >and an editor are very different. I suspect that the best choice for a data >structure for the WP would consist of a linked list of paragraphs. Perhaps >the paragraph should be implemented as a buffer gap. Also, how will the >character attributes be stored? Should we store an attribute with each >character? Should the data structure consist of a parallel stream of >attributes? Questions like this are going to be fundamental to the >development of the WP. I suspect that it is NOT a good idea to integrate an >existing editor into the WP. Always willing to play Miss Thistlebottom, let me just remind you guys to make sure those data structures can accommodate wide characters (e.g. what you'd find in Unicide) and that your wrapping and other algorithms aren't obsessive about text going left-right all the time! -- -Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************