From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:13:32 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #950 Linux-Misc Digest #950, Volume #2 Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:13:32 EDT Contents: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be awar (duncan@bolero.okay.com) please repost fix for disk spindown (gellis@vega.oes.amdahl.com) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING (ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu) Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net (Gina Goff) Re: nedit for Linux? (dave delaune) Re: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX??? (Janne Sinkkonen) Re: [WANTED] Moasic 2.4 for XF86-3.1 (Harald Milz) Linux v1.1.45, XView v3L5.1 - compile warnings (TheDoctor) Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net (Gina Goff) Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working (David Williams) Re: What is Linux good for? (Matthew B Shoemake) Re: Stable kernel version opinion? (Andreas Helke) Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net (Binesh Bannerjee) NCR 53c9x SCSI Card (Lefteris Giakoumatos) Smallest Linux Box (Phillip Burgess) Re: [H] missing "Close" item onSWiM motif menu (Jason Van Patten) Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors f (Marc Fraioli) Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Martin Spott) Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Michael Berthold) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: duncan@bolero.okay.com Date: 15 Oct 94 00:57 GMT+0300 Subject: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be awar Subject: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware In article , Lee Crawford wrote: >In article , >yxiao@umabnet.ab.umd.edu (Yan Xiao) wrote: > >> The current yggdrasil CD is our second buy, and I can >> see the decline in quality. I noticed this also. The file system rearrangement was sloppy. Some scripts don't run without complaints about missing files and directories. I was never sure whether there was a problem with the CD-ROM install, my machine, or me. The Fall '94 is half-baked. I used the Fall '94 for a whole day - Columbus Day, which I had off. Then, giving up on this possibly bogus product, I blew up the install and went back to Summer '94, which, in my opinion, seems to be a better quality package. Next time I go to my favorite UNIX reseller, Promox Systems in Sunnyvale, I'm going to bitch about it. I have two Linux machines which were supposed to be Summer and Fall, respectively; at this point, they're now both Summer '94. -- K-FOX| w ["] | WA6MBV 94.5 |... |___|_____..duncan@bolero.okay.com | Jim Duncan KUFX | H | 408.297.5977 ******** \_____I_____/ 37 3 10N/121 59 10W ************** ------------------------------ From: gellis@vega.oes.amdahl.com Date: 15 Oct 94 02:50 GMT+0300 Subject: please repost fix for disk spindown Subject: please repost fix for disk spindown problem A while back, someone posted fixes for the problem of Linux receiving an interrupt and restarting the hard disk immediately after APM spins the disk down. Could someopne repost this fix?! I'm running kernel level 1.1.45 on a Compaq Concerto. Thanks. Greg =============================================================================== Gregory U. Ellis gellis@oes.amdahl.com Systems Software Engr. Amdahl Corporation =============================================================================== Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are mine, solely, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corporation. =============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: 15 Oct 94 13:03 GMT+0300 Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.09) Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux hierarchy. See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted biweekly to comp.os.linux.announce. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not a contribution to the development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj@cam-orl.co.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 1223 64238 ------------------------------ From: GINA@ricevm1.rice.edu (Gina Goff) Crossposted-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc,misc.legal,gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 11:04:18 CDT In article <37pjt2$9bc@panix.com> binesh@panix.com (Binesh Bannerjee) writes: >Thanks for deleting the POINT of this second argument. My apologies. I missed the fact that you were discussing the broadcast of something stolen. Could you make your paragraphs briefer, to improve readability? >The broadcast that I mentioned was one where someone >STOLE a copy of a soon to be released movie, took over >a TV station and aired the movie in it's entirety... >And, ... >: :and this broadcast came over the air. Then, again it's MY tape >: :so, I should be able to make copies of it, so if I make a copy and >: :give it to a friend, well, it's MY tape, and I should be able to do so. >: :Or are you saying that the cops should break into everyone's house >: :and order everyone to blank out any tapes they made? The cops are unlikely to know, and even if they did, I doubt anyone would be breaking into your house. To answer your original point, distributing stolen copyrighted material is a violation even if you aren't the one who took the copy in the first place. Distribution is one of the rights covered by copyright. G. ------------------------------ From: dave@u.washington.edu (dave delaune) Subject: Re: nedit for Linux? Date: 16 Oct 1994 05:45:39 GMT Reply-To: dave@u.washington.edu In article nki@clarknet.clark.net, mjf@clark.net (Marc Fraioli) writes: > In article 4ga@kisa.seanet.com, blane@seanet.com (Brian Lane) writes: > >Frank Conway (fconway@chs.mb.ca) wrote: > >: I have recently dicovered an editor for my Sun called nedit. > >: Source code is available. I really like this editor, and > >: will be porting it to Linux for home use. > > > >: Has anyone already done this? If so, I won't waste my time. > > > > > > NEdit's home site is ftp.fnal.gov in /pub/nedit/v3_1 > > > > in the contrib directory is a Makefile.linux, so it's already been > >done(pretty trivial). > > > > The catch is that it needs Motif, which isn't free. Anyone want to > >tackle a free Motif compatible X library? > > > Someone is already doing it. It's in the Linux Projects FAQ, and I > think it's called the Xu lib and Widget set or something similar. In > the interim, how about somebody who has Motif for Linux making a static > binary of nedit like was done for Mosaic? Any volunteers? > Already been done, check sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/X11/xapps/editors/nedit.tar.gz Dave Delaune ------------------------------ From: janne@avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (Janne Sinkkonen) Subject: Re: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX??? Date: 16 Oct 1994 01:17:17 +0200 Timothy Demarest wrote: >I have Linux running on a system using the Plato Premier PCI II. Everything >works great. I am using an old Adaptec 1542C, so if you decide to go with >the NCR SCSI board, you may have some tricky things to do to get it to work. Basically it's just a couple of addresses in the kernel initialization phase, or maybe nothing at all for some versions of Plato. E-mail me if you need more help. -- Janne ------------------------------ From: hm@ix.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: [WANTED] Moasic 2.4 for XF86-3.1 Reply-To: hm@ix.de Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:57:06 GMT In comp.os.linux.misc, Chris Lo (cklo@hkucs92.air.org) wrote: > While trying to elminate the X11R5, (and without Motif here), I find > Moasic is compiled with X11R5. Can someone re-compile it with R6 > please?? Why? Mine works fine with XFree86 3.1. Just make sure to keep the old libs in /usr/X386/lib and to keep this dir in /etc/ld.so.conf. -- Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. -- Harald Milz (hm@ix.de) WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine phone +49 (511) 53 52-377 Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover fax +49 (511) 53 52-378 Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's. ------------------------------ From: mrash@xmission.com (TheDoctor) Subject: Linux v1.1.45, XView v3L5.1 - compile warnings Date: 13 Oct 1994 19:57:42 -0600 Reply-To: mrash@xmission.com Here's my problem. During installation of XView (version info in subject line), I keep getting warnings to the effect: seln.c:32: warning: passing arg 1 of `xv_create` makes integer from pointer without a cast. I also get some that say (this one is not a direct quote): warning: comparison of integer and pointer. I'm doing the installation of XView right now and don't know whether it'll work or not. Over the last few days, I've been gathering/building/installing quite a bit of software from the comp.os.announce newsgroup messages. I also see messages from people who appear to be successfully running them. I get these same two messages in almost everything I try to build (xrn, xvnews, xgopher, xarchie). Some actually build and run (although some funtions they provide kill the whole program or just don't work), while others die and won't build at all. My question (Finally!) is: What is wrong here. here are the versions of some of my stuff: gcc = v2.5.8 XFree86 = v2.1.1 libc = 4.5.26 linux = Slackware 2.0 kernel = 1.1.45 XView = 3L5.1 (Today is first install of XView, it has not been on my system before now.) I do have the olwm though and it runs fine. Won't know about after XView installation 'til it finishes. It's been building stuff for an hour or more now... hmm. It's in ../src/sspkg/drawarea now. Any help and/or suggestions will be most appreciated. I'll upgrade whatever I need to. Don't know whether I can downgrade anything. We'll see. Thanks in advance. ...Mark Ash (mrash@xmission.com) ------------------------------ From: GINA@ricevm1.rice.edu (Gina Goff) Crossposted-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc,misc.legal,gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 11:58:13 CDT In article <37riod$44k@panix.com> binesh@panix.com (Binesh Bannerjee) writes: >I can't see any proof for incremental damage, despite your fervent >FAITH that there is such a thing. And, I have no intention of calling >the Paramount legal division, so either we can kill this thread, and >I'll continue on my merry way distributing the script, and you can >continue on your merry way calling me an ass for doing so... Or, you >could post a summary of what they tell you, in laymans terms. Incremental damage is irrelevant bullshit, Binesh. Distributing copyrighted material without the owner's permission is illegal _even if you weren't the original violator_. That is a fact, whether you like it or not. Ignoring that fact is foolish. Publicly advertising that you're ignoring it is even more foolish. >The NSA wants escrowed keys for the Clipper chip... I'm going to follow >the perhaps conservative but undoubtedly safe assumption that they have >a perfectly valid reason for wanting it. Wow, if you think going along with Clipper is a conservative or safe assumption, then you really ARE a fool. Gina ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: dnw@eskimo.com (David Williams) Subject: Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:35:39 GMT Stephen Gourdie (steve@stevegd.equinox.gen.nz) wrote: : Eric Silver (silver.e@grin.io.org) wrote: : : I tried several times to make the rz and rx part of MINICOM work. : : I was trying to download a file from a UNIX BBS and the system [del] : change program names: : /usr/bin/rz -vv and /usr/bin/sz -vv : to : /usr/bin/rz -vv /dev/modem : and : /usr/bin/sz -vv /dev/modem : and all should work well. I had the same sort of problem, and I tried the above fix without success. ------------------------------ From: shoemake@cs.tamu.edu (Matthew B Shoemake) Subject: Re: What is Linux good for? Date: 16 Oct 1994 05:36:22 GMT In article , Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin) wrote: >Daniel Woodard (SA073@getty.onu.edu) wrote: >: >FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are >: That's an outright lie. I looked for a faq. Not finding one, I posted >: this message. > >Did you go to rtfm.mit.edu?? That's where I go to look for a FAQ. There's >always the chance that the posted FAQ has diappeared from my site. I "found" the linux news groups yesterday also. However, I read the FAQ and the HOW-TOs before this, my first posting. I found the FAQ on comp.os.linux.announce yesterday. So they are there. No excuses for not seeing them. On the other hand, some of you linux advocates may want to be a little nicer with potential brethren. Just a thought. On with my questions. I am not yet using linux. I have tried OS/2, DOS, Windows, and I am not happy with them. I am a UNIX fan and am thinking of giving linux a shot. Here are a few things I'd like to know before I go through with the deed: 1) I read that Linux can run some DOS executables using DOSEMU, but I also read that there is no support for Windows exectuables yet. But I have also seen mention of Windoze. So do we support Windows executables or not? (Trying to decide whether to keep a partion with DOS and Win on it.) 2) I read that I can use Ghostscript to print non-ASCII files, such as PS files to my HP Deskjet 500. Can anyone verify that this works well? 3) I'd like to get a little feed back on the speed of using xterms and X windows that are executing on remote machines using a 14.4Kbps modem and Xfree86 with linux. I will be doing this a lot so its efficiency is a major concern in my decision whether to switch to linux or not. Thanks for your time and input. Matthew Shoemake shoemake@ee.cornell.edu *** Go Big Red *** Gig 'em Aggies *** Threepeat Cowboys *** ------------------------------ From: andreas@orion.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de (Andreas Helke) Subject: Re: Stable kernel version opinion? Date: 16 Oct 1994 17:19:31 GMT Marc Ewing (redhat@netcom.com) wrote: : We are putting the finishing touches on our CD-ROM distribution : and I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the stability : of some of the more recent kernels. : Our install procedure allows you to use multiple kernel versions, : and right now we have 1.0.9 and 1.1.18. Version 1.1.53 has been : a little bit troublesome and may not make the cut. What version : do you think is the latest, most stable release? Some versios around 1.1.44 kill partition tables on Quantum IDE disks. This problem is fixed in 1.1.49. I am using this version on several computers and I am happy with it. Orion has now a uptime of 23 days with the 1.1.49 kernel. Andreas -- * Andreas Helke, Institut fuer molekulare Genetik, Universitaet Heidelberg ** Im Neuenheimer Feld 230, 69122 Heidelberg, Germany *** orion.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de has a ftp server with Unix tools for DOS **** and with the HFM V. 4.02 DOS file manager and archive program shell ------------------------------ From: binesh@panix.com (Binesh Bannerjee) Crossposted-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc,misc.legal,gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:27:56 -0400 Blanche Cohen (blanche@du.edu) wrote: : We need to start defining things much more clearly here. Binesh and others : have cited gnu, TeX, shareware, etc as examples of the spirit : of the software community. However, most software is NOT written for small : personal computers but for larger workstations and mainframes. True there is : a great deal of "community" software for unix, but much of that is due to : the original distribution philosophy of AT&T (before they realized they : had a money-maker!) : It's not completely valid to cite these examples. To wit - TeX may be freely : distributed but a number of companies are now marketing new and improved : versions of TeX for various platforms - and they're NOT free. XWindows is : another example - the basic system is freely available here on the net, or : pay a small service fee and have the X Consortium send you the tapes. On : the other hand, there is an entire industry of X developers of toolkits, : add-ons, consultants, etc. that are NOT shareware/freeware/whatever. : And I have yet to hear of any shareware/freeware/whatever in the COBOL arena, : nor in the US Dept of Defense (talk about proprietary and classified!) and : so on. People just don't make shareware/freeware/whatever for high-end : mainframes, Crays, etc. Huh? I never said ALL software development follows this tradition. I just said that it isn't true that nobody would do anything if there wasn't a monetary incentive. Although, probably with COBOL you might have a point... I doubt anyone would program in COBOL unless they were paid... Also, I just realized something else that I might not have made clear to Gina, since she said that she assumes that Paramount has a legal basis to their claims... I would not dispute that they may or may not have a legal basis to their claim, since, I know nothing about the legality of this issue, and further, I don't care about the legality or illegality of my actions. What I DO care about is the ethics of the thing. Like I keep saying IF I can see that I am hurting Paramount in some tangible way by distributing the script, then I would not do it... You could trust it or not, but... So, again, please tell me how I'm hurting Paramount by distributing the script to people who would not have bought the script anyway... (I know that much for a fact (That they wouldn't have bought the script had it not been for free)) AND, everyone I gave it to, is going to see the movie anyway... And, again, I'll reiterate my claims. I do NOT justify the initial posting of the script, and truthfully I find posting the script AGAIN at this point is kind of silly, All I'm asking is how exactly Paramount gets hurt by continued distribution of the script. And noone has yet told me any tangible way that Paramount is getting hurt... I've heard "potential loss" I've heard "it's not the writers final draft" etc. etc, but no real way that Paramounts wallet is hurting... Certainly not per EACH copy that is made (cause I've heard about the 1% of the population who reads the script and says "I ain't paying to see that", which if Paramount counts that, they should bring libel suits against every reviewer also... Unless people tell me that reviewers all have to be registered with Paramount before they do a review.) : If you take a look at the entire software development spectrum, I think you'll : find that pc development is a small (altho growing) part of the industry. (?) Binesh : -- : "It might be interesting to explore useless for a while" [DS9] : "Chocolate is a serious business" [TNG] : "Worst case of testosterone poisoning I've ever seen..." [B5] -- * Will sit by a pool and relax and have fun for money. * Hey... it's going to work someday... ------------------------------ From: lgiakoum@ic.sunysb.edu (Lefteris Giakoumatos) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,alt.os.linux Subject: NCR 53c9x SCSI Card Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:24:40 GMT Hi there, I reacently tried to install Linux on my machine but I had some frustrating problems. My SCSI card is an ABIT SC3210V VL-BUS generic SCSI card. My hard drive is a 1 Gigabyte (1080 MEG) 11 ms drive. When my pc boots up, I get the following information from the controller card: =============================================================== ID7:SC3210V VESA SCSI CONTROLLER V1.0 V ID0:No SCSI device connected ID1:No SCSI device connected .....all the way to ID6 then:.... ID6:Quantum 1079MB Drive 0 =============================================================== Parameters of logical drives: Drive 0: Cyl:1028 Heads:64 Sct/Trk:32 1079MB Drive 1: Cyl: Heads: Sct/Trk: =============================================================== I opened up my computer and I discovered that my card has an NCR53c94 chip on it (It also says so in the manual). When I try to boot up linux with the modern boot disk it won't detect my hard drive or my controller card. I then tried to pass the following parameters to the kernal: boot ramdisk hd=1028,64,32 It then tells me: hd.c ST-506 interface disk with more than 16 heads detected, probably due to non standard sector translation, giving up. when I don't set any parameters and let it boot up with the default settings it responds with: mcd=0x300,10 Init failed, no such device... Any reply or help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. ------------------------------ From: pburgess@netcom.com (Phillip Burgess) Subject: Smallest Linux Box Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 05:03:05 GMT The "Weakest Box" thread is a hoot. What I'd like to know is what's the physically *smallest* Linux box? All the palmtops I've seen are ROM-based and floppyless (and few have enough RAM), so I would imagine those are out of the question. I've heard from folks running it on a Thinkpad 500 (at least the textual portions, dunno about X11 yet) and some other machines around four pounds (Compaq, Toshiba, Canon), but not on any of the handful (pun!) of machines that are even smaller. The Handbook, Omnibook, and DTR-1 all come to mind. The consensus seems to be that Linux probably won't get along with the funkier hardware & power conservation features in these systems (and good luck getting the whacky input devices to work), but I don't know if anyone's actually tried yet, or perhaps there are some other wee systems that I'm overlooking. It's kind of both funny and appealing at the same time... Pocket Linux! -- Phillip Burgess (pburgess@netcom.com) >belch< ------------------------------ From: vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason Van Patten) Subject: Re: [H] missing "Close" item onSWiM motif menu Date: 16 Oct 1994 18:30:01 GMT Chris Roger (croger@lute.gcr.com) wrote: : I have the same problem with my SWiM. -and the suggested solution does : not bring back the menu below the separator (the lines were already in : the mwmrc file). If you double-click on the menu button, the window will : close - you just cant choose close from the menu. Interesting. Here's what I have (this is on AIX, not Linux, but Motif is Motif) In my .Xdefaults file, on line is this: Mwm*windowMenu: DefaultWindowMenu And in my .mwmrc: Menu DefaultWindowMenu MwmWindowMenu { "Restore" _R AltF5 f.normalize "Move" _M AltF7 f.move "Size" _S AltF8 f.resize "Minimize" _n AltF9 f.minimize "Maximize" _x AltF10 f.maximize "Lower" _L AltF3 f.lower no-label f.separator "Close" _C AltF4 f.kill } Now, my menu looks just like this: ______________________ | Restore Alt+F5 | | Move Alt+F7 | | Size Alt+F8 | | Minimize Alt+F9 | | Maximize Alt+F10| | Lower Alt+F3 | |----------------------| | Close Alt+F4 | |______________________| Both the double-click and selecting the "Close" works. If it doesn't work for you, you might want to ask whatever company you got Motif from. Jason -- Jason Van Patten | If at first you don't succeed, keep | Clarkson University | on sucking till you do succeed. | vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | - Curly Howard | | (The Three Stooges) | ** Any opinions expressed here are actually yours, you just don't know it, yet. ** ------------------------------ From: mjf@clark.net (Marc Fraioli) Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors f Date: 13 Oct 1994 00:08:12 GMT Reply-To: mjf@clark.net In article pg8@rs1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de, sk001sp@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Martin Spott) writes: >There is a Wordprocessing/Desktop-Publishing System for Linux in progress - >programmed by a group of german enthusiasts. It'll take a lot of time to >get it working, also it will cost al little bit. Please don't be impatient, >it's a lot of work. > That's very interesting. Perhaps they should consider adding it to the projects FAQ. I haven't seen it there. With all the debate about Linux word processors, I think many people would be interested to know about this. --- Marc Fraioli | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " mjf@clark.net | - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick, | Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War ------------------------------ From: sk001sp@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Martin Spott) Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? Date: 12 Oct 1994 17:10:04 GMT There is a Wordprocessing/Desktop-Publishing System for Linux in progress - programmed by a group of german enthusiasts. It'll take a lot of time to get it working, also it will cost al little bit. Please don't be impatient, it's a lot of work. Martin. -- EMail: bevorzugt privat: Martin@smigel.mitropa.com notfalls auch "dienstlich": Martin.Spott@uni-duisburg.de ------------------------------ From: berthold@fzi.de (Michael Berthold) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD Date: 13 Oct 1994 17:53:11 GMT Reply-To: berthold@fzi.de In article <37iuhc$lkk@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Jason Saunders wrote: > >I wonder if anyone has tried running the new DX2-80 at 90 or 100MHz? Now that >would be something to reckon with! A DX2-100 would in fact be faster than a >DX4-100. This is not necessarily true. The DX4 has a different layout and needs less clock cycles for some commands. This is why Intel calls it DX4 and not DX3 (which would be the more logical name), they claim that it behaves like a normal 486, *four* times overclocked internally. (Physically it's only a triple-clock) just my $.02, Michael ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************