From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 12:13:06 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #222 Linux-Activists Digest #222, Volume #6 Sun, 12 Sep 93 12:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: NeXTStep & Linux (crazy lion) Linux on an IBM PS/1? (Eric Donald Wayne) Re: How to make "magic"(VLSI CAD TOOL) for Linux ? shared libraries (was BSD UNIX) (Chris Torek) PS giving Error. Please help (levinson@vax.sonoma.edu) Final: Keeping fs clean (levinson@vax.sonoma.edu) Where to find latest FAQ? (Roth Mark Daniel) Re: Final: Keeping fs clean (Petter Reinholdtsen) running windows pgms under Linux (dave_t@tatertot.com) Re: SLS wont mount /proc (Scarrow) Source and desirability (William J. Sandman) QIC-02 tape drive Q? (Tom Armistead) Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator? (Robert Nagy) Re: running windows pgms under Linux (Nicholas Vargish) varargs.h missing? (Tong Chi Wa) Re: Removing Linux (Gary Anderson) CAMAC Readout under Linux (Oliver Schersand) HPIB Bus and Linux (Oliver Schersand) EXA Byte TAPE Driver under Linux ? (Oliver Schersand) Thrashing - how to quantify (Richard William Jones) Re: ll (kch) Stable CSLIP ("Michael L. Yacht") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion) Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux Date: 11 Sep 1993 20:01:48 -0400 hell, i if i had a nextstation. or even nextstep intel running on my box, i wouldn't use x ever again.! rl ------------------------------ From: edwayne@uncc.edu (Eric Donald Wayne) Subject: Linux on an IBM PS/1? Reply-To: edwayne@uncc.edu Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 00:02:30 GMT Please email... edwayne@mosaic.uncc.edu ------------------------------ From: paul@pbunyk.physics.sunysb.edu () Subject: Re: How to make "magic"(VLSI CAD TOOL) for Linux ? Date: 12 Sep 1993 00:04:51 GMT In article <1993Sep10.071922.14476@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw>, d794348@cardinals (T.H.doctor) writes: |> Magic is a famous VLSI cad tool on workstations. |> It works find on our Sun Sparc 2. |> Has anybody ever compiled it for Linux ? |> Any suggestion is deeply appreciated. |> |> Jeng-Her Lin(d794348@ee.nctu.edu.tw) Just today in comp.os.linux.announce I saw an announce of some new Linux distribution on CD (I forgot the name) that includes Linux itself and a lot of different stuff, including Magic, Spice and Chipmunk - for only $90. I think, you can try. And, if you want to compile some system by yourself (I do) why not to start with OCTTOOLS? Paul. ------------------------------ From: torek@horse.ee.lbl.gov (Chris Torek) Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: shared libraries (was BSD UNIX) Date: 12 Sep 1993 01:44:10 GMT In article <1993Sep7.162843.19294@fcom.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes: >The difference between shared and dynamic libraries boils down to when the >offset table is filled out. While load tends to be faster with dynamic, >you do take run-time hits for initial reference of routines with dynamic >binding; I consider this a loss (it *is* a performance hit that should be >taken at link time, not runtime -- an application is typically linked >once and run many times). Also, depending on implementation, you end up >either losing shared text for each fixup (if it is done wrong) or losing >shared text for the GOT for the jump-through and reference-through tables >which could otherwise be marked as shared pages after initial fixup ... (We should note that given true PC-relative addressing, `link fix-ups' or indirections through tables occur only for cross-`chunk' references, such as calls from the application to a shared library. But many CPUs make PC-relative addressing difficult.) This makes the Utah approach (as described at the last USENIX) all the more interesting. In this case, `executing' a binary invokes the linker, which can choose either to run a cached `pre-linked' version or to construct a new one. As Terry notes, most applications are run much more often than they need re-linking (the shared libraries do not change often). Hence, the same cached `post-fixup' version can be reused (saving time) and shared (saving space). In effect, this is the happy medium between `pure static' and `pure dynamic': resolved on demand, then static until something forces a change. Note that if this is done `right', the cached post-fixup binaries do not need to contain the shared libraries. Rather, the dynamic linker chooses an address for each shared library for each binary, and attempts to keep this address constant per library. If/when this attempt fails, this falls back to the equivalent of `pure dynamic' linking; when it succeeds, it works much like `pure static' linking. The only thing that the choice of per-library address `constants' affects is the ratio of successful `static-like' links to failed `dynamic-like' links. Assigning addresses to libraries would be the task of a program similar to SunOS's `ldconfig'. A library that lacks a preselected address would simply have one chosen dynamically. This would take more space, to cache `preloaded' binaries and (at their preselected addresses) libraries, but only those that are in fact used and/or only those that meet some policy. Again, the fallback is, in essence, `pure dynamic' linking; all else is merely optimization. -- In-Real-Life: Chris Torek, Lawrence Berkeley Lab CSE/EE (+1 510 486 5427) Berkeley, CA Domain: torek@ee.lbl.gov ------------------------------ Subject: PS giving Error. Please help From: levinson@vax.sonoma.edu Date: 11 Sep 93 19:13:18 -0800 I have .99pl12. For some reason when I type PS I get the following message: Floating Point Exception I see /proc mounted on root and eerything seems to look okay in it. Also, what is the procedure to go thru to not have proc as a file system, but rather in memory like the sun systems? -- Eric Levinson rcisnet2!root@moon.nbn.com | Home computer (UUCP) levinson@vax.sonoma.edu | Vax I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way (415) 883-0696 ------------------------------ Subject: Final: Keeping fs clean From: levinson@vax.sonoma.edu Date: 11 Sep 93 19:11:22 -0800 I am primarily posting this to let users whom are still having the clean/dirty problem what I found the solutions to be. My problem was originally that VFS mounted root always saying that it was unchecked. If you get .99pl10 or higher, you will need to get e2fsck 0.3. If you have less then .99pl10, you wil not be able to mount root readonly. Get bootutils and follow these steps: 1) Use RDEV and make your kernel flag read only. This is done by rdev -R /dev/xxx 1 2) edit your /etc/rc file so that the first thing it does is e2fsck -av. If you have more than one ext2 drive, run it once for each drive. If e2fsck encounters an error, it will not be able to fix it cause you mounted read only. Next make your rc file remount root as read/write using the -remount flag. 3) Make sure umount -a works. It should not say that a device is busy. This will happen if the umount is earlier and does not remount read only 4) Create /bin/brc and place in it: #!/bin/sh echo "Unmounting file systems" umount -a chmod 700 /etc/brc Make sure you use SHUTDOWN only!! reboot and halt do not cleanly exit your system. I wanted to once again thanks all who wrote back to me with your suggestions. It is that kind of help which allows us DOS users to trash it for a better operating system. -- Eric Levinson rcisnet2!root@moon.nbn.com | Home computer (UUCP) levinson@vax.sonoma.edu | Vax I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way (415) 883-0696 ------------------------------ From: roth@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Roth Mark Daniel) Subject: Where to find latest FAQ? Date: 12 Sep 1993 04:02:10 GMT Can someone tell me where to find the latest FAQ? Or, alternately, repost it here? Thanx! -- =========================================================================== Brought to you by The Admiral, | "Fate protects fools, small Renengade Time Lord masquerading | children, and TARDISes named as Commandant of Starfleet Academy | Enterprise!" ------------------------------ From: petterr@stud.cs.uit.no (Petter Reinholdtsen) Subject: Re: Final: Keeping fs clean Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 03:55:23 GMT Here were some incorrect inforation. In article <1993Sep11.191122.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, levinson@vax.sonoma.edu writes: >1) Use RDEV and make your kernel flag read only. This is done by rdev -R >/dev/xxx 1 You should of corse use rdev on either zImage or /dev/fd* (You are really changing zImage ) >2) edit your /etc/rc file so that the first thing it does is e2fsck -av. If >you have more than one ext2 drive, run it once for each drive. If e2fsck >encounters an error, it will not be able to fix it cause you mounted read >only. Next make your rc file remount root as read/write using the -remount >flag. Eh, e2fsck _will_ be able to correct the error because you mounted the partition read-only. The device is not read-only. After the errors are corrected you will have to reboot to force the kernel to reread the partition. If no errors are found, it is safe to remount the partition read/write. >Make sure you use SHUTDOWN only!! reboot and halt do not cleanly exit your >system. You can safely use both halt and reboot, which are the programs starting /etc/brc. shutdown are in fact starting halt or reboot. (I hope I didn't introduce more mistakes... :) -- ##> Petter Reinholdtsen <## | petterr@stud.cs.uit.no ------------------------------ From: dave_t@tatertot.com Subject: running windows pgms under Linux Date: Sat, 11 Sep 93 22:34:51 PDT Anyone have current information on the ability to run windows programs under Linux? Thanks! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Split Infinity BBS San Francisco, CA 94103 1.415.255.8340 WWIVnet @4552 WWIVlink @14552 ------------------------------ From: bairds@flotsam.ee.pdx.edu (Scarrow) Subject: Re: SLS wont mount /proc Date: 11 Sep 1993 23:21:22 -0700 ldr@maki.EBay.Sun.COM (LANCE RECK) writes: > my fstab : > /dev/sda1 ext2 defaults > /proc /proc proc defaults This is a problem that I also had with the SLS 1.03 distribution. Try this: /dev/sda1 / ext2 defaults /proc /proc proc defaults Also, add a line for the swap partition if you have one. For example (from memory): /dev/sda2 none swap defaults -- Shawn L. Baird (Scarrow) | "By all means, take the moral high ground -- bairds@ursula.ee.pdx.edu | all that heavenly backlighting makes you a =========================| much easier target." ==Solomon Short ------------------------------ From: wjsand01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (William J. Sandman) Subject: Source and desirability Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 06:16:47 GMT C Ok, Ok... I'm a unix greenhorn.. I admit it.. No Flames please, just help a poor boy out. I've seengreat things from unix on UofLouisville's HP cluster and am thinking of bringing it home to a Microlink 486/33. I'd like to hear from those that think as I do (Univ/Linux is here and Dos & System & are out). But where can I get a copy.. What's the memory cost? and what are the big selling points of this version?? any pointers, suggestions etc are greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: toma@swsrv1.cirr.com (Tom Armistead) Subject: QIC-02 tape drive Q? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 03:31:06 GMT I've got a QIC-02 (Wangtek 60 meg) tape drive/controller and have been unable to get Linux 0.99 pl12 to work with it... Everything works fine until I try to read from or write to a tape (i.e. boot shows all to be ok). When I write to the tape, I get several messages from the driver some of which are; tpqic02: isr: exception on tape controller status 4d tpqic02: DMA transfer exception tpqic02: write: dma: error in writing ending in; tpqic02: release: device dead!? After this happens, if I try to read from the tape device, I get a message that the tape is dead, saying that I need to do an 'mt reset'. Any access to the tape device (read or write) now ends in the same error until I reboot. The tape is setup as IRQ 5, DMA 1, ADDR 0x338 and this is reported in the boot message and the tape is successfully reset. The tape device is on Major 12, Minor 0 device (I tried Minor 1 and had the same results). I don't know what particular model of Wangtek controller I have (I can't find any numbers on the card, just 'Wangtek'). The drive is also Wangtek and has a model #5099EN24. This controller/drive works fine using the default Wangtek drivers that come with Interactive 2.0.2 (System V.3.2). Any ideas??? Thanks, Tom -- Tom Armistead | 2918 Dukeswood Dr. | Garland, Tx. 75040 toma@swsrv1.cirr.com | ...!egsner!swsrv1!toma | ...!void!swsrv1!toma toma@swsrv1.LoneStar.org | ============ THIS SPACE FOR RENT ============ ------------------------------ From: nagy@turtle.apana.org.au (Robert Nagy) Subject: Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator? Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 09:22:50 GMT Can you imagine the increased flame wars when people say.... I have SLSMC1.02312a and am trying to install it on my VIC-20, why doesn't... or I have MSCLSC1.22xyzzy and can't get smail to work on my HP95LX.... uggh. Robert -- ========================================================================== 1993 Harley Davidson Fatboy - The Wind Beneath My Wings nagy@turtle.apana.org.au ------------------------------ From: vargish@cthulhu.sura.net (Nicholas Vargish) Subject: Re: running windows pgms under Linux Date: 12 Sep 1993 07:38:58 -0400 In article dave_t@tatertot.com writes: >Anyone have current information on the ability to run windows programs under >Linux? Thanks! Last I heard, the people working on the project were able to run Windoze "Solitaire", which as anyone who has spent any time with 'doze will tell you, is the only reason to have the thing at all. If anyone on the team for this (WINE, it's called, right?) is reading, do you need the whole Windoze package to run Solitaire, or just the Solitaire files? (I'd love to install 'doze, remove the cruft -- i.e., Windoze -- and be able to play the Solitaire!) Nick -- ---------------------- ---------------------- ---------------------- |. Nick Vargish .| |. SURAnet .| |. O:(301) 982-4600 .| |. vargish@sura.net .| |. systems engineer .| |. H:(301) 439-4291 .| ---------------------- ---------------------- ---------------------- ------------------------------ From: cwtong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Tong Chi Wa) Subject: varargs.h missing? Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 10:15:02 GMT Hi, In the system include files, there is only a sys/varargs.h which contains: #include and that's all. This happens in both the SLS and HJ's distribution. Would anybody be kind enough to give pointers to where a copy of the file varargs.h could be found OR if variable argument list is handled in a different way under Linux. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ From: ganderson@clark.net (Gary Anderson) Subject: Re: Removing Linux Date: 12 Sep 1993 13:29:17 GMT Brian Hampel (STBH%MARIST.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu) wrote: : Dear Whoever, : I'm am tring to remove linux off my system. I formated my drive, and : used FDISK to remove the partition. And even after all that, when I boot my : machine it still says, "Uncompressing Linux" Does anyone know why? Does : anyone know how to completely remove linux off my system? If so PLEASE send : e-mail back to me,.. since my school is to cheep to get usenet. Anyway : Thank You, : Brian Brian, if you're trying to go back to dos, try the following: 1.) Boot up from a DOS system diskette. 2.) Do a 'format c: /MBR' to put a new master boot record in the boot sector. Gary ------------------------------ From: scher@informatik.uni-freiburg.de (Oliver Schersand) Subject: CAMAC Readout under Linux Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 12:32:18 GMT Has someone used Linux to control and read CAMAC ? -Oliver -- Oliver Schersand email: hpfrs1.physik.uni-freiburg.de ------------------------------ From: scher@informatik.uni-freiburg.de (Oliver Schersand) Subject: HPIB Bus and Linux Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 12:34:28 GMT Has someone used an HPIB Bus interface from HP to read Scops CAMAC Voltmeter and so on under Linux in realtime. -Oliver -- Oliver Schersand email: hpfrs1.physik.uni-freiburg.de ------------------------------ From: scher@informatik.uni-freiburg.de (Oliver Schersand) Subject: EXA Byte TAPE Driver under Linux ? Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 12:35:53 GMT Has someone used an Exabyte on a PC running under Linux ? -Oliver -- Oliver Schersand email: hpfrs1.physik.uni-freiburg.de ------------------------------ From: rj3@motmot.doc.ic.ac.uk (Richard William Jones) Subject: Thrashing - how to quantify Date: 12 Sep 1993 13:54:13 GMT When I run gcc on my machine with 5 megs of real memory installed, it seems to run very slowly and swap frequently ... So it's probably thrashing ... What I need is a way to quantify exactly how much time is spent swapping in/out and how much is spent running the program. This way I can start to tune the system. The obvious choice is ps, but this doesn't seem to give the info I need, and really I'm stuck. Does anyone have any ideas? Secondly, how much real memory am I going to need? This stuff is expensive, and I think my only option is to go for the full 16+4 megs (I've only got 8 slots, with 4+1 config at the moment). This will cost more than I can bear at the moment. Is there another solution. Thanks in advance, ... Rich. ------------------------------ From: kch@edgtech.demon.co.uk (kch) Subject: Re: ll Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 17:53:33 +0000 Robert Broughton (Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote: :>I can type in "ll", and get the equivalent of "ls -l", but "find / -name ll :>-print" delivers nothing. What exactly is going on here. :>I'm interested because ll doesn't work when I'm in a non-login shell. If you look in /etc/profile, you will see that there are many aliases. 'll' is one of them. -- +---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Keith Howell | EdgTech International Ltd, 4/5 North Bar St, | | kch@edgtech.demon.co.uk | Banbury, OX16 0TB, United Kingdom. | | kch@cix.compulink.co.uk | Tel +44 (0)295 277088 Fax +44 (0)295 279179 | +---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: "Michael L. Yacht" Subject: Stable CSLIP Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 11:31:53 -0400 Hokay, I'm running .99.10 and using SLIP (Works real well, fairly stable [crashes once a week, needing reboot]). What I want to know is if there is a kernel out there with STABLE CSLIP. I'd rather use CSLIP for the obvious reasons, and just wanted to know if there was a kernal that supported it. -Mike Yacht -Carnegie Mellon University -- School of Computer Science ==================================================================== Mike Yacht || specter+@CMU.EDU ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************