From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 01:13:23 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #268 Linux-Activists Digest #268, Volume #6 Tue, 28 Sep 93 01:13:23 EDT Contents: Re: How does Linux compar (John Will) A DOS partition question. (John Will) Re: [A]RAWDISK.SYS: QIC-80 Backup of non-DOS disks (Philip Zembrod) Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? (Terje Eggestad) Re: Auto-answer with uugetty or getty (Mark Buckaway) 3c509 (aka Etherlink III) and NET-2 (Joseph Hoss) DigiBoard to support Linux!!!! (Gregory Gulik) PPP for linux??? (Matt Helgren) Help install X386_Mono (James F Hall) Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux (Dave Davey) Re: Where can I get source for doc ? (Dave Davey) Re: I think my monitor is exploding..help (John A. Green) Re: Auto-answer with uugetty or getty (Andrew R. Tefft) Cannot use df (Po-ting Wu) TESTING -- PLEASE IGNORE (Christopher Stevens) Re: Can't umount! (Pawel Gburzynski) term? (Timothy Mark Lawless) Re: LPD and 1.03 (Eberhard Moenkeberg) Re: SoundBlaster CD-ROM support? (Eberhard Moenkeberg) Dead DIP (Brett Michaels) SoftLanding Message (Brett Michaels) Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) Re: I think my monitor is exploding..help (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) Subject: Re: How does Linux compar Date: 26 Sep 93 22:05:00 GMT W >I run a computationally intensive xview program under Linux on a W >486DX33 in 8 seconds. The same program and data set on a Sun SPARC W >takes 11 seconds. Both compiles were gcc. There's lots of different models of the Sun sparc, which one were you using. Was it dedicated to the task at hand? Questions... questions... ------------------------------ From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) Subject: A DOS partition question. Date: 27 Sep 93 14:36:00 GMT J >Let's say I partition my HD 110meg for linux, 10meg sway, and 50meg for J >DOS. Can I run DoubleSpace(which is what I have, so no flames about J >stacker being better) on my DOS partition only? You can run DS on the DOS partition, but Linux will not be able to access those files with it's MS-DOS filesystem. I don't know what the sway partition is for, does that rock the disk? :-) BTW, Stacker is better, in case nobody told you. J >Also, is there a way to partition my drive without having to delete J >everything on it in the process? Nope. Welllllll, maybe. I have a program FIPS08.ZIP that I found on a BBS, it will shrink a disk partition if it's the only one on the disk. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.386bsd.misc From: zembrod@informatik.uni-freiburg.de (Philip Zembrod) Subject: Re: [A]RAWDISK.SYS: QIC-80 Backup of non-DOS disks Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 20:37:34 GMT buk@taz.de ($ Burkhard Kohl) writes: >Juergen Prang (prang@du9ds4.fb9dv.uni-duisburg.de) wrote: >: Currently a lot of work is done, to implement a driver for >: QIC-80 (Floppycontroller-) Streamertapes. In the meantime I >: decided to write a DOS device driver, that enables logical >: access to non-DOS disks/partitions under DOS. >As far as I know there is an drive for floppy tape streamers >for linux already available on sunsite.unc.edu: > /pub/Linux/kernel/tapes/ftape-0.9.tar.z >or even higher. Another tape-related question: The SLS installation script offers installation from tape. Is this from QIC-Floppycontroler tape or only SCSI tape, and how does the installation work ? Just to tar the whole SLS directory tree onto the tape and then boot from the bootdisk and say "installation from tape" will hardly do the job, I suppose ? Do I need a special form of the SLS package, and if so, where can I get it ? -- : whoisit? ( -- ) ." Philip Zembrod " ( zembrod@informatik.uni-freiburg.de ) ; ------------------------------ From: t0e0078@tamsun.tamu.edu (Terje Eggestad) Subject: Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? Date: 27 Sep 1993 16:38:40 -0500 I fail to see the purpose, or the sanity of this argument. How can you compare hardware to software?? This is like arguing about how this VCR tape compares to that VCR ot how the Cosby show compares to my TV! Let me explore the posibilities here a little bit. My 386/25 with no cache and 8 Meg of DRAM will run rings around a SUN IPC if I put 1meg of DRAM into it (yes I do think it still would run). However An 486DX2/66, with external cache, localbus accelerated SVGA card, 32 bit EISA or VESA bus, and SCSI drives, with the same amount DRAM running linux will probably run rings around an IPC. Terje ------------------------------ From: mark@datasoft.north.net (Mark Buckaway) Subject: Re: Auto-answer with uugetty or getty Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 22:59:40 GMT Jack Roberts (roberts@nscf.org) wrote: : I only have one modem and would like to use it in a dialin and dialout : capacity. Do either of these packages allow for this without having to : kill the getty manually in order to dialout? Jack, a quick glance at the docs will answer your question. If it matters, I run two dial in/out lines. getty (getty_ps 2.07) can be setup two ways. One method permits callouts on the same dial-in line. First, you can have getty answer the call for you. It will monitor the modem and wait for a RING. When it gets this, it will issue an ATA to the modem and it answers the call. The only problem with this is the serial line is held open constantly and will not be available to other programs to call it. The second method is to let the modem answer the phone. getty does not hold the line but just waits for the DCD line to do something. Alternatively, it can wait for a character to do something. Check the man page. It's all in there. Mark -- ============================================================================== Mark Buckaway | root@datasoft.north.net | DataSoft Communications DataSoft Communications | uunorth!datasoft!root | 62 Rock Fernway System Administrator | Voice: +1 416 756 4497 | Willowdale, ON M2J 4N5 ============================================================================== "UNIX and OS/2 are operating systems. Windows is a shell, and DOS is an boot virus" ============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: us244953@emi.3m.com (Joseph Hoss) Subject: 3c509 (aka Etherlink III) and NET-2 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 22:32:36 GMT I was wondering if anyone has had any luck getting Linux (SLS distribution) to work with a 3com 3c509 (combo, for what its worth). I think that I have uncommented the appropriate lines in CONFIG and modified the Makefile to include el3.o (after copying the 3c509.c file to el3.o). The new kernel seems to find the card on bootup (it spews some lines starting with eliii, which do list the right IRQ and I/O address). However, the line in rc.net ifconfig eth0 130.99.34.55 ... gacks and spews some errors along the lines of SIOCSIFADDR invalid argument, SIOCGIFFLAGS invalid argument etc. It apparently doesn't like the eth0 device. The file /dev/eth0 is linked to /dev/wd0. Is this right for the 3c509? The link was created by the installation. The ifconfig command for lo don't complain. The route add 130.99.24.0 command complains with a Network cannot be reached error. Any hints/ideas would be appreciated. Joe Hoss us244953@emi.3m.com Joseph Hoss 3M Company EIS/IT ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik) Subject: DigiBoard to support Linux!!!! Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:19:41 GMT I guess all that nagging worked!!!! I just got off the phone with tech support at DigiBoard, and I was told they will have Linux drivers available for their products in about 8 weeks!!!! Their products are a bit pricey, but it's nice to see commercial vendors support Linux! -greg -- Gregory A. Gulik Call Gagme, a public access greg@serveme.chi.il.us UNIX system at 312-282-8606 || gulik@rtsg.mot.com For information, drop a note to info@gagme.chi.il.us ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help.misc,comp.os.linux From: helgren@dvorak.amd.com (Matt Helgren) Subject: PPP for linux??? Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 23:00:18 GMT Anyone know where I can find ppp for linux? I had thought dp-ppp had been ported to linux but I am not sure. Thanks for any info. Matt Helgren matt.helgren@amd.com ------------------------------ Subject: Help install X386_Mono From: ph9991ha@uwrf.edu (James F Hall) Date: 27 Sep 93 18:33:49 -0600 I need some help in installing the mono server for X on my machine. Anyone have any experience with this? Basically, I can get X to run, but all I ever get is a bunch of static, or vertical lines on my screen. Seems like the video mapping isn't set correctly. I appear to be able to move the mouse, because if I move it, the shading of the lines on the screen seem to shift around or change brightness. There were no errors reported when I issued % startx But I can't really use X at this point, because I can't see what I am doing. -- My system: 386dx with 8Mb physical memory, Dexxa 2-button Microsoft- compatible mouse, older vga card with 256k vga ram. I'd rather not buy a higher-quality vga card, since I really won't be using X to do more than view DVI files, and to use gnuplot, both of which are _essential_. -- I think I had posted this before, but either no one felt they could repond meaningfully, or my poster was broken. I would appreciate the help, though. Getting X to run is the last thing on my "to-do" list before Linux is fully tailored for me. I'd also be open to a one-on-one dialog with any Linux X-wizard. ------------------------------ From: daved@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Dave Davey) Subject: Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 00:25:28 GMT In <284qs5$hrq@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> btf57346@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Byron Faber) writes: >So I guess the answer is that there is not word processor for linux? There is "doc", which I have to admit I have not used seriously enough to evaluate, and I cannot see any obvious reasony why the Andrew system "ez" could not be ported to linux since it is an X client. It would probably consume a lot of disk space though! ------------------------------ From: daved@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Dave Davey) Subject: Re: Where can I get source for doc ? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 00:35:16 GMT In <283kof$p31@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> taluskie@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (Vince Taluskie) writes: >doc looks like a great package and would be very useful to my users - >where can I get source that I can build on my Irix and AIX boxes ? interviews.stanford.mit ------------------------------ From: john@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (John A. Green) Subject: Re: I think my monitor is exploding..help Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 01:11:31 GMT I think my monitor is exploding too! In article <284iiq$l50@news.umbc.edu> john@midget.towson.edu (John Banghart) writes: >Ok, here's the deal. >I have a tvga8900cl card with 1mb. I installed SLS 1.03 and the whole >thing went off without a hitch. I modified the Xconfig files and set it >up to the best of my ability. I inserted a line for my chipset and >modified the other parts according to the FAQ. Xwindows runs fine but >when I start it up, my monitor flickers, makes a awfully loud *click* >and the screen goes dead. Not just blank, but dead. The power is still >on though. After about 1/2 a second it flickers again, and then X starts >to come up. It also seems that the monitor is growing abnormally hot >after what seems to be a short period of time. FUNNY you should mention this...! I just went through the same procedure, with EXACTLY the same software & tvga card, two days ago. It sounds like you are running into the same problem that I did; your monitor is interlaced, and you are trying to run X as though the monitor is non-interlaced (or vice-versa). Try changing your Modes entry: "1024x768" to "1024x768i". That worked for me. But I actually took that entry out entirely, and just use the 800x600 config; it's a lot more legible on my screen. NOW: please take this advice for what it's worth: very little. I just started on this Linux/X/vga business, and... My monitor is still EXPLODING. I just sat down in the den, and was startled to hear the crackle of electricity. I looked at my monitor, and it was black (screen-saver), except for the odd flash and flicker and sound of electical cracking. Electricity makes me nervous at the best of times. Guess how long it took me to kill the power on the monitor, computer, and every other electrical appliance that just looked at me funny. HELP!??? Is it the screen saver? X server? Bad card? Bad monitor? Bad hair day? Mine is a 'Darius' interlaced SVGA monitor HRV-1025. Even after I turned it off, it crackled. It's staying off until I get some advice. So there. -- John A Green PROGRESS programmer at large john@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------ From: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Subject: Re: Auto-answer with uugetty or getty Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 01:42:14 GMT In article <1993Sep26.225940.2779@datasoft.north.net> mark@datasoft.north.net (Mark Buckaway) writes: >Jack Roberts (roberts@nscf.org) wrote: >: I only have one modem and would like to use it in a dialin and dialout >: capacity. Do either of these packages allow for this without having to >: kill the getty manually in order to dialout? >callouts on the same dial-in line. First, you can have getty answer >the call for you. It will monitor the modem and wait for a RING. When >it gets this, it will issue an ATA to the modem and it answers the >call. The only problem with this is the serial line is held open >constantly and will not be available to other programs to call it. The >second method is to let the modem answer the phone. getty does not >hold the line but just waits for the DCD line to do something. I suggest the second method (set the modem on auto-answer) unless you want to use ringback, where your modem only answers after a certain number of rings, then a pause, then more rings (useful for sharing the line with your voice phone). This method is much simpler since you don't have to worry about quite as much. What you *do* have to make sure of is that your modem asserts CD when a carrier is present, and that it is set to auto-answer. You can set this in the modem's NVRAM settings (recommended) or in the INIT string in your uugetty setup file. This way you don't have to worry about things like INITLINE or a CONNECT chat. -- -- Andy Tefft - new, expanded .sig - teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com ------------------------------ From: wu@cs.purdue.edu (Po-ting Wu) Subject: Cannot use df Date: 27 Sep 1993 22:03:36 -0500 Following error occurs when I use df, df: cannot read table of mounted filesystems I am using SLS 1.03, mount /dev/sda2 to / (ext2), /dev/swapfile to none (swap), none to /proc (proc). If someone know what's wrong, please help me. Thanks in advanced, Po-Ting ------------------------------ From: albert@stu.rpi.edu (Christopher Stevens) Subject: TESTING -- PLEASE IGNORE Date: 28 Sep 1993 03:14:58 GMT TESTING -- PLEASE IGNORE. Thank you. -- Christopher Stevens =============================================================================== stevec2@rpi.edu stevens@acm.rpi.edu ------------------------------ From: pawel@cs.UAlberta.CA (Pawel Gburzynski) Subject: Re: Can't umount! Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 20:17:54 GMT ryanm4@hall101.its.rpi.edu (Matthew J. Ryan) writes: > Please help - I dont want to shutdown my system - This has >happen before, same installation, and last time it ate >/usr/local and /usr, and I had to reinstall. umount won't work if the target directory (of a subdirectory thereof) is the current directory of at least one process (including your shell). ====================================================================== Pawel Gburzynski, Associate Professor, Department of Computing Science University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta CANADA T6G 2H1 e-mail: pawel@cs.ualberta.ca, tel: (403) 492-2347, fax: (403) 492-1071 ====================================================================== ------------------------------ From: tlawless@whale.st.usm.edu (Timothy Mark Lawless) Subject: term? Date: 28 Sep 1993 03:43:25 GMT I am real new to linux.. Can anyone tell me what i would use term for? and how to use it.. If all this is in a faq i would be happy to look it up if i knew where it was and what it was.. Thanx. Tim. -- ______ _ _ / _/_ / _// // --/ o ______ ____/ /_ __ , / __. , , , // _ _ _ (_/ <_/ / / <_(_) (__/ /_/ (_/ /___ (_/|_(_(_/_ I was able to solve my lpd and lpr problems by running them with strace ES> -f in separate windows so I could watch both. Most of the problems were ES> errors trying to open files or devices. ES> ES> BTW, I think there's an SLS 1.03 and a Slackware 1.03 now, so you need ES> to specify. My script "lpd.build" (see C.O.L.A) is useable for both - with Slackware, you just have to remove the "cat /etc/lpd & >>rc.local" line... It was supposed to setup remote printing only - but directories & file with the right permissions will get setup, too... Greetings ... Eberhard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 03:13:14 +0100 From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg) Subject: Re: SoundBlaster CD-ROM support? DN> ^AMSGID: nigel.msen.com 2734268f DN> ^AORIGID: <27mum5$1ro@nigel.msen.com> DN> From: dnichols@garnet.msen.com (David Nicholson) Yes, you do not have to form a question - the answer is "of course". Since a long time... All kinds of drives. Data & audio. ftp.gwdg.de:/pub/linux/cdrom/sbpcd04.tgz Greetings ... Eberhard ------------------------------ From: brettm@access.digex.net (Brett Michaels) Subject: Dead DIP Date: 28 Sep 1993 00:36:19 -0400 I have been working with DIP and SLS 1.0.3. I followed all of the latest NET-2 instructions. When I use DIP I can not get it to talk to the modem. I have a 14.4 modem attached to /dev/cua1. I use: dip -t >port /dev/cua1 >speed 9600 >reset (nothing happens to the modem) >dial xxxxxxx (no string is sent) Then when I exit dip via a ^C, the modem line is frozen for use by other comm. programs. I have to reboot. No processes seeem to be runningnas shown by ps. The /dev/cua1 and moem work fine for normal telecom. Any clues? ------------------------------ From: brettm@access.digex.net (Brett Michaels) Subject: SoftLanding Message Date: 28 Sep 1993 00:38:35 -0400 Anyone know how to get rid of the softlanding message that appears just before the login prompt? ------------------------------ From: a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) Subject: Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:22:46 GMT In article <287mh0$9ql@tamsun.tamu.edu> t0e0078@tamsun.tamu.edu (Terje Eggestad) writes: >I fail to see the purpose, or the sanity of this argument. >How can you compare hardware to software?? > >This is like arguing about how this VCR tape compares to that VCR >ot how the Cosby show compares to my TV! > >Let me explore the posibilities here a little bit. >My 386/25 with no cache and 8 Meg of DRAM will run rings around >a SUN IPC if I put 1meg of DRAM into it (yes I do think it still would run). > >However An 486DX2/66, with external cache, localbus accelerated SVGA >card, 32 bit EISA or VESA bus, and SCSI drives, with the same amount >DRAM running linux will probably run rings around an IPC. > >Terje As the original person who started this thread I must say that my intentions were to elaborate in the artical itself and not the subject header. As far as a general comparison between the two, I think it is perfectly valid since we are talking about systems that can potentially run the same ported software , applications that can be directly compared because they are identical at the source level. Not only can this comparison be kind of objective but helpful. The SUN IPC costs many times more than a typical Linux system. That is even if you took a 'Maxed Out' PC and put Linux on it you could give the IPC a run for its money. P.S. I am sorry about your computer, time to upgrade rather than get angry. -- ======================== a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu Bikram Dhaliwal (416) 845-4567 ------------------------------ From: a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) Subject: Re: I think my monitor is exploding..help Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:28:37 GMT In article <1993Sep28.011131.3992@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca> john@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (John A. Green) writes: >I think my monitor is exploding too! >In article (John Banghart) writes: >>Ok, here's the deal. >>I have a tvga8900cl card with 1mb. I installed SLS 1.03 and the whole >>thing went off without a hitch. I modified the Xconfig files and set it >>up to the best of my ability. I inserted a line for my chipset and >>modified the other parts according to the FAQ. Xwindows runs fine but >>when I start it up, my monitor flickers, makes a awfully loud *click* >>and the screen goes dead. Not just blank, but dead. The power is still >>on though. After about 1/2 a second it flickers again, and then X starts >>to come up. It also seems that the monitor is growing abnormally hot >>after what seems to be a short period of time. > > >FUNNY you should mention this...! > >I just went through the same procedure, with EXACTLY the same software >& tvga card, two days ago. It sounds like you are running into the same >problem that I did; your monitor is interlaced, and you are trying to run >X as though the monitor is non-interlaced (or vice-versa). > >Try changing your Modes entry: > "1024x768" to "1024x768i". >That worked for me. But I actually took that entry out entirely, and just >use the 800x600 config; it's a lot more legible on my screen. > > >NOW: please take this advice for what it's worth: very little. I just >started on this Linux/X/vga business, and... > >HELP!??? Is it the screen saver? X server? Bad card? Bad monitor? >Bad hair day? Mine is a 'Darius' interlaced SVGA monitor HRV-1025. No, it certainly is not a screen saver. You must be careful because the wrong settings in your Xconfig can permanently dammage your monitor. I have read many reports about people frying or burning out monitors. Good news though, It sounds like you have the exact same equipment as I have, that is: tvga8900, and a Darius HRV-1024 (?). I have posted my Xconfig before (a few days ago) and it is the one that works perfectly with my setup in colour. So let me know if you want me to post it again. -- ======================== a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu Bikram Dhaliwal (416) 845-4567 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************