From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 03:13:14 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #272 Linux-Activists Digest #272, Volume #6 Wed, 29 Sep 93 03:13:14 EDT Contents: Re: SoftLanding Message (Mark A. Horton) Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux (R. Stewart Ellis) Re: term? (R. Stewart Ellis) [Q]'s Gateway/1542/Linux/Tamu problems ? (ceham@uu.american.edu) Re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot (robert balkenhol) Re: lpc couldn't start lpd daemon (Eric Sulzner) Booting probs with SLS 0.99 (Kevin Matassa) Backing up my Linux FS to (John Will) Memory and swap errors on (John Will) Re: Trantor support in Linux (bryan k williams) newbie advice needed (jdoliver@TrentU.CA) Re: term? (Craig Ashcroft Willmott) Re: I need a Xserver and Xconfig for ATI Graphics Ultra Plus (Thilo Jahke) Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? (Jacques Gelinas) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mahmha@crl.com (Mark A. Horton) Subject: Re: SoftLanding Message Date: 28 Sep 1993 18:16:58 -0700 Brett Michaels (brettm@access.digex.net) wrote: : Thanks for the help. The file /etc/issue contains this message. You can : edit it or remove to your liking. : Anyone know whta program/script calls displays this file? getty. you can control it - read the serial.FAQ for all the details - mark -- Mark A. Horton mah@ka4ybr.com (or here) P.O.Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747 ICBM: 33 45 N / 084 16 W +1.404.371.0291 Cruise: 33 45 30 N / 084 16 50 W "We may note that, for the purposes of these experiments, the symbol "=" has the meaning "may be confused with." ------------------------------ From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: WordProcessor (~=TEX) for Linux Date: 29 Sep 93 01:27:23 GMT mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis) writes: >snail@lsl.co.uk writes: >>In article <1993Sep24.111523@cs.utwente.nl>, debruijn@cs.utwente.nl (Steef S.G. de Bruijn) writes: >>> |> a la WordPerfect for Linux. >>I think he means Framemaker for Linux, or 'Word for Linux' :-) >>> Wordperfert sucks (it's no misspell!) >>Don't u mean worddefect, as its know here. We have it one the Vomit Making >>System. >Kindly keep your personal and unproductive comments to your self. We find >the software to be extremely productive, flexible, cost effective, and >open. Perhaps you two should tell us which wordprocessors you use and like >so others can say yours suck. >Also, perhaps you should enlighten us as >to a better wordprocessing system under Unix? Framemaker isn't bad, but >TERRIBLY expensive. Starting with the recognition that WP is available on the widest range of systems, which gives it a tremendous headstart, it has a number of serious problems. I have seen signed postings from a guy who used truss on SVR4 to observe wp opening a config file 500 times while it was starting up. This is consistent with the startup speed under X. Also WP fails totally to understand how X and UNIX printspooling are supposed to work. If you bring up a dialog box on the X version and then dismiss the box, it repaints the entire screen a couple of times rather than restoring the save-under region. This is a dismal failure and really gets in the way of trying to use it. Three of us here with a total of over 20 years of UNIX experience still cannot get WP to print to all of our lpd printers after dozens of hours of effort. That has been real productive. I now have the port on all my printers set to disk. At least I can print from the shell after I save them. The one thing that makes me support WP is that I can use it over a terminal and trade docs with the Windoze or DOS or VMeSs users. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,News and sendmail maintainer, all around hack /________/ / / / / ------------------------------ From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: term? Date: 29 Sep 93 01:39:01 GMT mahmha@crl.com (Mark A. Horton) writes: >Timothy Mark Lawless (tlawless@whale.st.usm.edu) wrote: >: I am real new to linux.. Can anyone tell me what i would use term for? >: and how to use it.. If all this is in a faq i would be happy to look >: it up if i knew where it was and what it was.. >: Thanx. >: Tim. > The major sites for "life, the universe, and Linux" are: > tsx-11.mit.edu /pub/linux > sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux > nic.funet.fi /pub/OS/Linux [delete lots] > In answer to your specific question, term is a terminal > communications program that is very robust. For more This is like saying a Ferrari is a wagon (they both have wheels and someone can ride in both). Term allows you to set up a socket over a modem connection that looks like the sockets that allow all sorts of network stuff to take place such as telnet, nntp,ftp, irc, and even X (tcp services but not udp services, so no NFS or talk). Also like a Ferrari, it is very powerful but occasionally kinda cranky. I would not characterize it as robust. I use it several hours a day. I now have 4 xterms on my home machine (a SPARC) displaying stuff running on the Sun server at school. > standard terminal emulation I enjoy using minicom (currently > version 1.4g) It is very complete, compiled clean first shot, > installed like a breeze, and is very well documented. > -- Mark -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,News and sendmail maintainer, all around hack /________/ / / / / ------------------------------ From: ceham@uu.american.edu Crossposted-To: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 Subject: [Q]'s Gateway/1542/Linux/Tamu problems ? Date: 29 Sep 1993 02:01:12 GMT Hi, ia have a couple of questions on the following config: PC: Gateway 3SX-33 (386-33) 4MB RAM Adaptec 1542 1 SCSI Drive OS: LINUX: TAMU.99p12 release Partitions: 1=DOS; 2=Swapfile (type 82); 3=Linux ext2fs (type 83) 1) What is the proper device configuration for the "PS/2" style microsoft mouse that comes with the Gateway for X ? I used the following lines in my Xconfig file ps/2 "/dev/psaux" emulate3botton despite these settings, I get no mouse activity.. (frozen X) :( I have also tried a 3 button logitech serial using /dev/ttys0. this results in a pointer locking up in the upper left corner of the screen. Arrg 2) [TAMU]: Where is the "mouse" utility advertized to be in /usr/X386/lib/X11/etc/v1.1/tst/mouse ??? Unless the Installation guide is wrong, I did not have such directory ! is there a site that carries this utility ? 3) I have installed bootactv and LILO on the system and I cannot boot from the harddisk. LILO is installed on partition 3 (/dev/sda3 ext2fs) When booting, the boot [1-4]: prompt says: Invalid ! when partition 3 is selected. I have tried different combinations of partitions, and can't seem to get around this. The only way I can boot is using the disk (LILO) and boot:harddisk root=/dev/sda3 Suggestions ? I have been through most FAQ's I could find, and the is not much on TAMU specific problems. (I whish there was :) I also saw a few people having boot problems with 1542, but their problems seemed different. Thanks (in advance) Maurice De Vidts, NE3S ceham@uu.american.edu ------------------------------ From: rbalkenh@sookit (robert balkenhol) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot Date: 29 Sep 1993 03:00:58 GMT Reply-To: rbalkenh@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Laurent Duperval (duperval@IRO.UMontreal.CA) wrote: : Wolfgang.Roth@graphics.ap.mchp.sni.de wrote: : -> In article cornell@syl.dl.nec.com writes: : -> >SLS version: 1.03 : -> >Machine1: NEC Powermate 386 : -> >Machine2: Amax PC/386 : -> > : -> >I've installed the SLS v.1.03 release on three machines. The two : -> >listed above had the same trouble after installing, making a : -> >bootdisk, and trying to boot from that bootdisk. : -> I have the same problems on 3 machines (2*486 and 1*386) when I : -> tried to boot from the original 3,5" bootdisk in driva A. The : -> loading stops after the message "Detecting soundcard: AdLib : -> (type 3)". I have no soundcards installed. : I had the same problem. I circumvented (sp?) it by booting at low speed. It : worked fine then, but I can't explain it. After I installed everything and : had my own boot floppy, I was again able to boot at high speed. Go figure. I too had a problem on two machines dying at the adlib sound card message. One was an AST 486 with all of the standard I/O on the mother board plus a novell ne2000 card. The other was a no-name black box 40 mhz 386 with an adaptec scsi card and a _novell_ne200_card_. NONE of the adresses or irq's appeared to conflict. I solved my problem by changeing the novell card to use 300h and irq5, (supposedly a non-standard setting, but it works). The troubleshooting was vexing..different kernels..6 mchines...differnent versions...screw with the hardware jumpers...sleep at last! -- *************************** Robert Balkenhol Jet Propulsion Laboratory Disclaimer:ispeakforonlyme! ------------------------------ From: esulzner@demo5.intel.com (Eric Sulzner) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: lpc couldn't start lpd daemon Date: 29 Sep 1993 02:59:01 GMT In article <287ioi$36f@usenet.mcs.kent.edu> ransel@mcs.kent.edu (Ransel Yoho) writes: I solved this by running two xterms, in one strace -f lpd (kill the old lpd first), in the other strace -f something that doesn't work (lpr filename, or lpc start lp). One of the windows (I think the lpd one) got an error when it tried to do an operation on /dev/lp, which was a directory. I removed it and made a link from lp to lp1. Now it works. FAQ? I've answered this a few times. Your mileage may vary. Use strace -f if it does. I'm running the slackware thaT looks like this: # uname -a Linux darkstar 0.99.12 #6 Sun Aug 8 16:02:35 CDT 1993 i486 I'm having trouble with lpr from the linux:.99pl12. The following commands show my configuration of lpd and the errors, each command is preceded by [#]: [1]$ cat /etc/printcap lp|laser|HPlaser in Library:\ :lp=/dev/ttyS1:sd=/usr/spool/laser:br#9600:\ :pl#66:pw#96:sh:lf=/usr/adm/lpd-errs:fs#021:fc#0300: [2]$ ls -l /usr/spool/laser/* -rw-r--r-- 1 root daemon 3 Sep 27 14:11 /usr/spool/laser/lock -rw-r--r-- 1 root daemon 0 Sep 24 07:48 /usr/spool/laser/status [3]$ grep lp rc rc.local rc.local:/etc/lpd & [4]$ ps -aux | grep lpd root 37 0.0 7.0 68 212 ? S 14:11 0:00 /etc/lpd [5]$ ls /bin | lpr -P laser [6]$ lpq Warning: no daemon present Rank Owner Job Files Total Size 1st ransel 10 (standard input) 629 bytes [7]$ ls -l /usr/spool/laser/* -rw-rw---- 1 daemon daemon 70 Sep 27 14:54 /usr/spool/laser/cfA010jigger -rw-rw---- 1 ransel daemon 629 Sep 27 14:54 /usr/spool/laser/dfA010jigger -rw-r--r-- 1 root daemon 4 Sep 27 14:54 /usr/spool/laser/lock -rw-r--r-- 1 root daemon 0 Sep 24 07:48 /usr/spool/laser/status [8]$ lpc lpc> start laser laser: printing enabled lpc: connect: No such file or directory couldn't start daemon lpc> [9]$ ls -l /etc/lpd /usr/bin/lpc /usr/bin/lpr /usr/bin/lpq /usr/etc/lpd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 24 08:45 /etc/lpd -> /usr/etc/lpd -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 21508 Aug 12 21:06 /usr/bin/lpc -r-sr-sr-x 1 daemon daemon 12328 Aug 12 20:58 /usr/bin/lpq -r-sr-sr-x 1 root daemon 14048 Aug 12 20:58 /usr/bin/lpr -r-sr-x--- 1 daemon daemon 39696 Aug 12 16:44 /usr/etc/lpd TCP/IP stuff on this old 386sx machine works fine, it has a 3C503 etherlink II card; telnet, ftp, & rlogin all work fine. The requests get spooled, but a daemon does not get spawned to print the file. Please advise!!! Thanks, Ransel (ransel@mcs.kent.edu) -- Eric Sulzner esulzner@cadev6.intel.com disclaimer -> I am not speaking for Intel. ------------------------------ From: ad737@Freenet.carleton.ca (Kevin Matassa) Subject: Booting probs with SLS 0.99 Reply-To: ad737@Freenet.carleton.ca (Kevin Matassa) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 03:14:59 GMT I have: - 33 MHZ TI 486 DLC with math copro - 4 MG RAM - UN-1072 I/O Card (Serial,parallel,game,hard disk, floppy) - Cirrus 1MG SVGA Card - 2 floppies - CrossLink Fax/Modem - 170 Quantum Disk My problem: On booting from the boot floppy I select the ramdisk option from LILO. It goes on identifying my hardware and then states that INIT: Version 2.0 is booting. The boot at this point hangs. There is local echo on the console, and my function keys for virtual terminals seem to work, but I do not get the SLS login prompt Help ? Thanks in advance -- // Kevin Matassa // ad737@freenet.carleton.ca // Ottawa, Ont, Canada ------------------------------ From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) Subject: Backing up my Linux FS to Date: 29 Sep 93 00:02:00 GMT G >Is there another G >way of baucking up my Linux system. To floppy? I don't have a tape G >drive. I know tar will do it, but I'd like to have something that is G >automated. Automated? You mean you want something else to put the floppies in? GNU tar is supposed to handle multi-volume archives, so it's as automatic as it gets, but you'll still have to stuff floppies... ------------------------------ From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) Subject: Memory and swap errors on Date: 29 Sep 93 00:06:00 GMT CM>"bad page table [00cf902c]=00000400" CM> CM>"NMI received. Dazed and confused, but trying to continue." CM> CM>These errors have been received durring various tasks. I loged in last CM>night, and left it on. When I woke, I had a few of these errors on CM>the screen, and the VC was locked up. Certainly sounds like memory problems to me, try removing 4mb of RAM and running with the 16mb and see if you still have a problem. I'd say you have memory problems... ------------------------------ From: uk02183@nx20.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) Subject: Re: Trantor support in Linux Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 05:26:43 GMT Is there anyone out there who has actually gotten the trantor SCSI alpha code for the T128 controller to work? I got the patch, with no more instructions than to extract to the src directory, do the patch, and recompile the kernel, all steps are done and I can verify the new code gets compiled, AND I forced the code to look for my board at $CC000 and expect no IRQ. BUT although this is done I get no recognition of the SCSI card. I assume that including the generic SCSI in addition to the T128 Alpha code is ok or needed (seems like there is a high-level driver on top of hardware-specific ones?)... Anybody got help? If I get strange messages regarding the success of individual patches, what should I make of them? Also: I compiled it into 0.99 pl 12. (slackware) ------------------------------ From: jdoliver@TrentU.CA Subject: newbie advice needed Reply-To: jdoliver@TrentU.CA Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 05:11:07 GMT Hello! I am thinking of trying out Linux on my PC (386DX/33 - 4 MB RAM) on the second hard drive (100MB). I would also like to try X-Windows. I need advice on how to install Linux (basically), and I also need a hand finding X-Windows - is it, or a clone of it, available through ftp? Where is the best site for Linux software distribution? I really need a hand here, as I really want to run this stuff... Thanks a lot in advance to anyone who helps me out here... jdoliver@trentu.ca Jeff Oliver Trent University Peterborough, Ont. Great White North, eh ------------------------------ From: cwil4@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Craig Ashcroft Willmott ) Subject: Re: term? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 05:16:18 GMT In ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) writes: >This is like saying a Ferrari is a wagon (they both have wheels and someone >can ride in both). Term allows you to set up a socket over a modem >connection that looks like the sockets that allow all sorts of network stuff >to take place such as telnet, nntp,ftp, irc, and even X (tcp services but >not udp services, so no NFS or talk). >Also like a Ferrari, it is very powerful but occasionally kinda cranky. I >would not characterize it as robust. I use it several hours a day. I now >have 4 xterms on my home machine (a SPARC) displaying stuff running on the >Sun server at school. I'm also a newcomer to the Linux world, I've had it installed for five days now, and a lot of that has been spent on Kermit and term. What I want to do is attach a socket at uni to a socket on linux, or more specifically, to a login prompt. I've got term going fine, so that I can trsh back and forth. Then I tried to use tredir to connect the sockets setup. So from uni I did tredir 12345 23 thinking that this should attach the remote port 12345 to my telnet port. Also I tried 12345 by itself, hoping it would just create a login. When trying to connect from uni, (telnet 12345) I get a connection but then nothing happens. Is there something wrong with my telnet connection? It works just fine when I telnet localhost 23 from home. Also, when I trsh back into linux, some characters (in particular line feeds) don't get through. According to the man, I can set up my ~.term/termrc file to escape these characters. How do you do that? Is termrc executed before an rsh is set up or what? Also, after I run tredir, my trsh dies (freezes). Is this supposed to happen? Yours, in an effort to avoid suid trshs, Craig. ---- "I had a bad day...I had to subvert my principles and kowtow to an idiot. Television makes these daily sacrifices possible ... deadens the inner core of my being." _Trust_ ------------------------------ From: jahke@amoeba.stgt.sub.org (Thilo Jahke) Subject: Re: I need a Xserver and Xconfig for ATI Graphics Ultra Plus Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 07:32:16 GMT Tony Cifelli (ag794@Freenet.carleton.ca) wrote: : Thanks to those who have helped so far. : Still no luck. I want to get something to download or ftp at best. : I've heard that people are having trouble re-compiling the Xserver. : I would like to avoid that if possible. : Does anyone out there actually have Linux working with the : ATI Graphics Ultra Plus? Regardless of whether it takes full : advantage of the hardware support it offers. It's workinh very nice using the X8514-version which can be found on tsx-11 or sunsite Look in directoy X11/X-servers (or similar) Thilo -- +--------------------------------------------+ / Thilo Jahke, Private Linux Site, Germany / / EMail: jahke@amoeba.stgt.sub.org / +--------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: jack@solucorp.qc.ca (Jacques Gelinas) Subject: Re: How does Linux compare to SUN IPC? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 05:01:17 GMT slater@gandalf.nrlssc.navy.mil (Rick Slater) writes: >a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) writes: >|> It has seemed to me that my Linux system at home (X and GCC running in >|> a 15mb partition, on a 386-40, with room to spare) is faster than the >|> SUN IPC workstations I use at school. I can only offer subjective >|> speculation though, ie. time for a xterm to open, etc... >|> >|> I was wondering, if anyone has done benchmarks between the two for >|> various processors. I am not saying that Linux is better, it still >|> has a ways to go before it can match the all around appeal of the SUN. >|> >I've run several "benchmarks" on both a 486DX-33 and a Sun IPC with the >overall result that the PC was in the same ballpark as the Sun. The >benchmarks were: Drystone test, whetstone test, and a large TeX file >that came with the SLS distribution (gentle.tex). The PC went from >a .tex file to a .dvi file, using the same version of tex, in a little >more than half the time that it took the Sun. OTOH, the Sun was slightly >faster on the first two tests. Those benchmark are funny. I think they highly depend on the application used. Those who compare Usenet news unpacking will have a winner with linux. SUNOS is does synchronous file creation, not linux. This means that if you creat a large number of files, linux will goes faster than sunos, which sync the directory to disk for each new file. SUNOS will be more reliable however. Off course, this is apple and banana. One real life test I am doing often is zip and gzip of large file. The ELC (33 mhz sparc) is about twice as fast as a 486dx33 (both with 16 megs ram). gzip is 30% faster on the Sparc. On a 486 66, zip is about the same speed, but it seem that SUNOS I/O (SCSI) is faster than IDE I/O on Linux. Much faster, so to crunch about 40 megs of DOS .obj file is 50 % faster on a Sparc ELC than the 486 66. Again, I guess it hardly depend of the type of the application you are using. One thing that really suprise me, it that people are getting better benchmark on Linux for floatting point. This is difficult to believe. Linux as little to do here. A 486 is not a screamer for floatting point ... by far. Benchmark publish by Unix Review show that a Sparc Classic outperform a 486 50 everywhere by almost 2 except on some integer test where the sparc was sligtly slower. For disk I/O, the Sparc was much faster. They used a High end 486 50 PC with retail for about the same price as the Sparc. Just more confusion I guess! -- ======================================================== Jacques Gelinas (jacques@solucorp.qc.ca) Maintainer of US4BINR jacques@us4binr.login.qc.ca ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************