Subject: Linux-Development Digest #548 From: Digestifier To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 13:13:09 EST Linux-Development Digest #548, Volume #1 Sun, 13 Mar 94 13:13:09 EST Contents: STRAW POLL: Linux groups automonitoring (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Re: UDP report card (The Answer is 42.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: news.groups,comp.os.linux.announce,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Subject: STRAW POLL: Linux groups automonitoring Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 17:52:38 GMT [] STRAW POLL (Last Call) Linux groups automonitoring Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, Thu 17 March 1994. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposal contact Ian Jackson . PROPOSAL (Ian) I propose to set up an auto-response daemon which will scan the newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, .help, .development and .admin. It will send email to the posters of any messages which either (a) do not include one of a set or recognised keywords in the Keywords line or (b) are crossposted between two or more of the groups listed above, without a Followup-To header being used to direct followups into no more than one of those groups (plus perhaps one or more groups outside the comp.os.linux hierarchy). The email will be a brief, friendly introduction to the newsgroup in question and the hierarchy in general - probably based on Matt Welsh's introduction to the comp.os.linux hierarchy and my daily postings in comp.os.linux.misc and .help. It will say where the FAQs are, why to read them, and where to get them. It will also say why the message has been sent to the user, and give a brief explanation of why Keywords are a good thing and/or why crossposting is a bad thing (as appropriate). I would determine the set of allowable keywords with assistance from the Linux community; I expect the set to change quite frequently, and there to be a dozen or two at most. The existence of my daemon would be documented in a regular posting to the groups (preferably as part of an existing regular posting). Note that this proposal will NOT prevent anyone from posting and does not involve marking the groups as moderated. I hope to be able to provide an email-to-news gateway that will be allow users with retarded software to post with Keywords lines. RATIONALE (Ian) During the recent discussion in news.groups regarding my original proposal to moderate col.* using a program, several people suggested that perhaps many of the "poor" posts do not come from first-time posters, and that therefore it would be sufficient to send email to posters whose postings did not have one of a set of approved keywords. Doing so would allow experienced users to start using killfiles to read only postings they believe they would find interesting, based on keywords, since any users posting without such keywords would be informed by the daemon that and why their posting might not get the attention they would wish for it. HOW TO REPLY Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names. Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against automonitoring as described above for that particular group. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Then mail the ballot to: voting@qualcomm.com Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- linux automoderation poll Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: Use YES or NO for each group to indicate support or opposition to automonitoring for that group as described in the proposal above. [Your Vote] Group ======================================================================= [ ] comp.os.linux.misc [ ] comp.os.linux.help [ ] comp.os.linux.admin [ ] comp.os.linux.development -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Only one ballot per person and per account will be counted. All names, addresses, and votes are public. linux automoderation poll - I have votes from the following as of March 12. If you're in here you don't need to vote again. ============================================================================== 63912i@cfi.waseda.ac.jp Alexander D\"uring a.triulzi@ic.ac.uk Arrigo Triulzi abragad@DI.UniPi.IT adam@netcom.com Adam J. Richter adriano@leland.Stanford.EDU azevedo ajake@snafu.muncca.fi Jarkko Aitti al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx Eugenio Sanchez Alec.Muffett@UK.Sun.COM Alec Muffett - Sun IS - System Administrator alex@amnaas.oss.nl Alex Sorell allender@vnet.IBM.COM Mark Allender ampe91@control.auc.dk A. Majland andras@cs.wits.ac.za Andr\'as Salamon andreas@knobel.knirsch.de Andreas Klemm Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl Andries Brouwer andy@sysc.pdx.edu Andrew M. Fraser aoppelt@scr.siemens.com Achim Oppelt arras@forwiss.uni-erlangen.de Michael Arras b16ryf@isbe.ch Urs Ryf badri@sofia.tn.cornell.edu Badrinarayanan Seshadri bap@scr.siemens.com Barak Pearlmutter bart@pdn.paradyne.com Warren Bartlett bde@halcyon.com Bruce D. Elliott bet@std.sbi.com Bennett Todd bob@amscons.amscons.com Bob Amstadt bobt@nova.net.com Bob Tykulsker brandon@uncvx2.oit.unc.edu Brandon Van Every bseller@shlneth.demon.co.uk Brad Seller buckel@linuxbox.incubus.sub.org Bernhard H. 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Toman toobii@elixir.e.kth.se Torbj\"orn Lindh toy@soho.crd.ge.com Raymond Toy twpierce@unix.amherst.edu Tim Pierce u9219811@sys.uea.ac.uk Nick Holland UMV801@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Manfred Pflueger UNE41C@IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Uwe Ritzmann urlichs@smurf.noris.de Matthias Urlichs vandevod@cs.cuhk.hk David VANDEVOORDE vds7789@aw101.iasl.ca.boeing.com Vince Skahan ve@nils.rhein.de Volkmar Eich veillard@mururoa.imag.fr Daniel Veillard vindvad@imf.unit.no Hans Vindvad walter@pollux.edv.agrar.tu-muenchen.de Bernhard Walter wenger@isbe.ch Hansjuerg Wenger wessel@ee.up.ac.za Wessel du Preez wil@cix.compulink.co.uk William Stuart-Smith wim@hudson.es.ele.tue.nl wlieftin@cs.vu.nl Wouter Liefting wmagro@baron.ncsa.uiuc.edu W. Magro wunderli@inf.ethz.ch Martin Andre Wunderli yngmnds!youngber@uunet.UU.NET Jerry Youngberg -- On the fabled hidden continent of Xxxx, somewhere near the rim, there is a lost colony of wizards who wear corks around their pointy hats and live on nothing but prawns. -- Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man ------------------------------ From: jwiegand@opus.temple.edu (The Answer is 42.) Subject: Re: UDP report card Date: 13 Mar 1994 02:03:20 GMT In article evansmp@mb48026.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes: >gans (gans@acf2.nyu.edu) wrote: > >: We've got a situation at NYU where a number of hostile entities >: regularly broadcast 127.0.0.1 over the local net... And some >: linux boxes, including mine, respond (which I do not think is >: correct behavior). > >It is a common problem, 127.0.0.2 can be even more dangerous, quite a few >machines only have 127.0.0.1 rather than 127.0.0.0 as a route to loopback. >Thus such an address can end up going through serveral machines, simply >being forwarded to default routes until it gets to a machine which accepts >it. In some instances telnet 127.0.0.2 will connect you to a (psudo-random) >machine somewhere on the internet. Just out of curiousity, I tried this, and boy was I surprised: opus:~/News jim$ /usr/etc/ping 127.0.0.2 ICMP Host Unreachable from gateway Washington2.Dante.net (192.77.156.2) for icmp from opus (129.32.25.70) to 127.0.0.2 I don't even know where this machine is at! Couldn't find it w/nslookup on the Suns. jim howabout that ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Development-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.development) via: Internet: Linux-Development@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Development Digest ******************************