From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 00:13:22 EST Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #366 Linux-Activists Digest #366, Volume #6 Thu, 11 Nov 93 00:13:22 EST Contents: Linux questions (need FAQ - where?) (Tony Nugent) Re: Nethack + Linux, Please Help! (Pat Rankin) Chipset for Ahead V5000 Video Card in Xconfig? (Khalil Al-Jawhari) SCSI woes (Stewart Allen) General linux questions (jason.levine@columbia.edu) Re: Linux on 80286???? (Tim Smith) Re: Linux performance?? (Marius Kjeldahl) Re: X support for ATI Ultra? (Marius Kjeldahl) Re: HELP! Help! AAAARRRGGGGHHHH!! (Harald Koenig) Re: 1280x1024x256 Graphics @ > 70 Hz (ANDRE SCHR”TER INFORMATIK) Problem with CxPatch lpd doesn't keep running (Stefan Baltus) Re: SLOW comms with X problem (Craig Ashcroft Willmott) Re: Linux performance?? (Gregory Gulik) Re: 0.99pl13 Kernel Compilation ($ Burkhard Kohl) *** Upcoming removal of comp.os.linux *** (David Barr) Re: rsh bug ? (Patrick J. Volkerding) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: anugent@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Tony Nugent) Subject: Linux questions (need FAQ - where?) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 23:49:50 GMT Argh! I found the FAQ posted in the very next newsgroup I read here! :-) (comp.os.linux.announce) However, if anyone can answer any of those specific questions I asked, then I'm all ears! Thanks (and sorry I opened my big mouth two minutes too soon :) Cheers Tony -- ============================================================================== It is easier to fight for one's principles | anugent@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au than live up to them. Alfred Adler | ============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: rankin@eql.caltech.edu (Pat Rankin) Crossposted-To: rec.games.hack Subject: Re: Nethack + Linux, Please Help! Date: 9 Nov 1993 19:48 PDT Reply-To: nethack.rankin@eql.caltech.edu In article <1993Nov9.224301.1474@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au>,\ stuartl@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Stuart Langley) writes... [...] > I have downloaded version 3.10 from nic.funet.fi which > has supposedly already been converted over for use > straight from the box for linux. [...] There's no such thing as nethack 3.10; if that's 3.1.0, then throw it away and get 3.1.3, the current version. If it's actually 3.0pl10, then throw it ever farther away. ;-) ------------------------------ From: cobra@ee.ryerson.ca (Khalil Al-Jawhari) Subject: Chipset for Ahead V5000 Video Card in Xconfig? Date: 10 Nov 1993 04:40:01 GMT Hello, I have already figured out the Video Mode table values for my monitor in the Xconfig file. However, I do not know what chipset to use for my VGA card. I have an Ahead V5000 16-bit Video Card. Does anyone know if XFree supports this card? And if so, what chipset should I specify in the Xconfig. I should add that a sticker labelled "AVGA" appears on a chip on the card. Please any help would be appreciated. I thank you. Cobra. ------------------------------ From: stewart@milhouse.oec.com (Stewart Allen) Subject: SCSI woes Date: 10 Nov 1993 00:55:34 -0500 I am attempting to install Linux on my 486-66 Unisys that has an Adaptec SCSI controller built onto the motherboard. Unfortunately, the boot disk does not recognize this controller. I would like to get hold of code, if possible, to recompile the scsi drivers to recognize my controller. But it seems a bit of a catch-22 that I must have Linux installed in order to do this. Perhaps I am wrong, but I had not been able to find appropriate code. Also, I wouldn't have the first clue about how to create a bootable disk. Secondly, I cannot reach "sunsite" to send e-mail! Wrong backbone, apparently we're restricted. Stewart Allen Open Environment Corporation stewart@oec.com ------------------------------ From: jason.levine@columbia.edu Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: General linux questions Date: 10 Nov 1993 06:54:25 GMT Hello. I have a few questions, which are somewhat unrelated. As a precursor, I am completely new to Linux, and as such, know nothing about it but what I have been able to gather over the last 5 hours or so over the net. First, for descriptive purposes, I have a 386/33, 8 megs RAM, a 240 meg hard disk, a Promise caching IDE disk controller with 4 megs RAM on it, a Diamond Speedstar Pro video board, and a Cabletron 10baseT ethernet board. Standard other components -- a bootable 1.2M 5 1/4" drive, a 1.4M 3 1/2" drive, Logitech mouse, etc. I have a 17" high- refresh Philips color display. Now, first of all, will Linux run on this system? I read somewhere over the last 5 hours that Cabletron E21xx boards are not supported or usable with Linux... if that's the case, then I have to stop here, since that's what's provided by Columbia to me. (I can always buy myself a real board, though...) Second of all, will I be able to run X-windows (from what I can understand, Xfree386) at 1024x768, in color? Unfortunately, I don't know what kind of accelerator is on the SSPro, but maybe someone out there does, or has it running with Linux. Third, what would be the "best" flavor of Linux to run? From what I can understand, SLS is the most comprehensive... should I start off with it, and tailor it to my needs? I've administered a Sun workstation before, so the tailoring part shouldn't be that difficult, but I am just wondering if SLS is the best place to start. Lastly, where should I try to get a hold of the Linux distribution of choice? I have FTP access directly from my PC, so I can bring stuff in at relatively high rates of speed; the question is if it would be better worth my time/money to just buy a distribution. Thanks A LOT in advance for any help. Jason Levine ------------------------------ From: tzs@stein3.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: Linux on 80286???? Date: 10 Nov 1993 08:53:14 GMT Byron A Jeff wrote: >This is correct. Of course there are Unix clones for the 286 (Coherent and SCO It's possible to do real Unix for the 286, rather than a clone Unix. It's not clear why anyone would want to do this (I've used System V Release 3 on a 286, and it is not a pretty sight...). --Tim Smith ------------------------------ From: s_marius@irau27.ira.uka.de (Marius Kjeldahl) Subject: Re: Linux performance?? Date: 10 Nov 1993 08:55:59 GMT Being a user of both (Linux and Win3.1) I would either way argue that Linux is faster, due to the fact of true 386/486 performance. However SOME applications MIGHT run faster under DOS/Win3.1, especially those who are very CPU intensive (and thereby hogs 100% cpu under DOS/Win3.1), but in normal use I find using Linux faster. Also there now exists accelerated video drivers for both Win3.1 and Linux/X, and I'm happily running Linux/X with opaque drags and things - real cool (I'm using XFree2.0 with ATI GUP LocalBus). Normally it is not only the absolute speed that counts, you should also consider what you can be doing while your computer is doing something else. In the DOS/Win3.1 I normally have no choice, if I do some CPU intensive work, I just have to sit and watch, drink coffee, read the paper etc. With Linux/X I can actually start some CPU intensive job, and start working on my next task, like finally writing that e-mail reply.. However I still boot DOS/Win3.1 whenever I need to do WordProcessing and Spreadsheet calculation, because I have found no suitable applications for these things under Linux/X (I'm not into "programming" documents, like under Emacs/TeX). I've also heard about other commercial software running under X in general, but there is no guarante that these have or will be ported to run under Linux/X. Also I believe that the software prices for "professional/commercial" software running under Unix/X is more expensive than their DOS/Win3.1 equivalents. One last thing to consider is what you actually get. With Linux/X and the GNU packages that comes with it, you get a _lot_ of software for free (including a lot of compilers, utilities, editors, window environment). And if your going to hook your computer to a network running TCP, you might also consider Linux/X since it usually offers what most workstations currently offer in the user environment (which with a few exeptions means X). I've grown up with DOS/Win3.1 and in the beginning I found the switch to Linux/X very hard, mostly because I had no experience what so ever in the field. Also I've done quite a bit programming under DOS/Win3.1. Now I've finally taken the big step and started using Linux/X for real, and I must admit I like it better and better. However for writing reports and creating big spreadsheets, I keep booting DOS/Win3.1. Hopefully this will not last forever.. Just my $.02 . Marius Kjeldahl ( s_marius@ira.uka.de ) | Seeking organisation for my Student in Operational Research, Informatics, | dissertation and/or future Economics and Management at the Norwegian Inst. | employment - please "finger" of Technology/Univ. of Karlsruhe, Germany | for more information... -- Marius Kjeldahl ( s_marius@ira.uka.de ) | Seeking organisation for my Student in Operational Research, Informatics, | dissertation and/or future Economics and Management at the Norwegian Inst. | employment - please "finger" of Technology/Univ. of Karlsruhe, Germany | for more information... ------------------------------ From: s_marius@irau27.ira.uka.de (Marius Kjeldahl) Subject: Re: X support for ATI Ultra? Date: 10 Nov 1993 09:03:11 GMT In article <1993Nov5.153916.293@pt.com> kng@pt.com (Ken Gravenstede) writes: With XFree2.0 I find that the X support for ATI GUP is great. It has an accelerated driver which utilize the mach32 chip on the ATI GUP. I'm running X with Slackware (pl13) in 1024x768x256 mode, and everything works great! I had big trouble obtaining the right clocks for my card (for the Xconfig file in XFree1.3), but after obtaining these, adapting the configuration to my monitor was easy (using the vgaset program). I also believe that the clocks for the ATI GUP is written in the modedb file that comes with the XFree2.0 package, so obtaining these should now be easy. Somebody wrote: From: kng@pt.com (Ken Gravenstede) Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 15:39:16 GMT Lines: 11 Can someone send me the appropriate info to get X running on an ATI Ultra graphics card. In particular, what rev of the kernel, what rev of X386, and what frequency settings are necessary. Thanks Ken -- Marius Kjeldahl ( s_marius@ira.uka.de ) | Seeking organisation for my Student in Operational Research, Informatics, | dissertation and/or future Economics and Management at the Norwegian Inst. | employment - please "finger" of Technology/Univ. of Karlsruhe, Germany | for more information... ------------------------------ From: koenig@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Koenig) Subject: Re: HELP! Help! AAAARRRGGGGHHHH!! Date: 10 Nov 93 08:36:03 GMT What do you think about using a more specific subject line and a smaller .signature ? Harald -- Harald Koenig, Inst.f.Theoret.Astrophysik (koenig@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de) All SCSI disks will from now on be required to send an email notice 24 hours prior to complete hardware failure! ------------------------------ From: 81239@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de (ANDRE SCHR”TER INFORMATIK) Subject: Re: 1280x1024x256 Graphics @ > 70 Hz Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 07:20:28 GMT In article koenig@ceres.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Koenig) writes: >From: koenig@ceres.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Koenig) >Subject: Re: 1280x1024x256 Graphics @ > 70 Hz >Date: 8 Nov 93 17:33:14 GMT >In <2blr21$95i@unidus.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de> engels@darkstar () writes: > >>I'm currently wondering why I can't get 1280x1024x256 with my Elsa Winner 1000 >>(Local Bus, 2Mb) with >70Hz on an Eizo T560i Monitor without problems >>(what I got doesn't look like 70 Hz). I took the T560i timing data from Roell >>which I found in modeDB. There is an 110 and a 135 clock, but xfree uses the 110 >>clock. If I delete the 110 lines, I get the message that 110 is the maximum value. > >>Maybe the idc..._slow clock is the solution. The #9-card seems to use (according to >>the AccelCards-file) the non-slow clock. But why, it also got an 928-chip? > >>I'm still thinking and searching and maybe I find the solution in some hidden doc. >>But where, >>dear Harald, can I find this information in the Xfree-Howto (line numbers wellcomed)? > >You can read the answer in the ELSA manual: >both the clock synthesizer (ICD-2061A) >and the RAMDAC (Sierra 15025) have a spezified limit of 110MHz. >It migh be possible to drive them at higher frequencies >(ICD-2061A could run upto 120MHz but no more) but you risk to fry your card. > >The sources are free, get them and modify at your own risk! > >Another solution would be buying a ELSA Winner2000 which is specified >up to 135MHz which is 1280*1024 @ 72Hz! > >Harald > >-- >Harald Koenig, Inst.f.Theoret.Astrophysik (koenig@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de) > > All SCSI disks will from now on be required to send an email > notice 24 hours prior to complete hardware failure! if you want to risk you'r card there might be another posibility: write the clocks you get on satrtup directly to the Xconfig. then edit the line 110 to somethin else and change the 135 to 110. i don't know if this is true for the s3 server, but you can fool the mach8 servre this way. andre ------------------------------ From: mulet@mulet.algebr.uv.es () Subject: Problem with CxPatch Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 08:48:00 GMT ------------------------------ From: cpbaltus@cs.vu.nl (Stefan Baltus) Subject: lpd doesn't keep running Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 10:21:36 GMT Hi, I have problems with printing. When starting up lpd, it exits immediately. It doesn't keep running in the background! So, when 'lpq -Plp'-ing, it says Warning: no daemon present. What's wrong? Stefan. -- ============================================================================= Stefan Baltus. InterNet: cpbaltus@cs.vu.nl UUCP : stefan@baljas.home.cs.vu.nl ============================================================================= ------------------------------ From: cwil4@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Craig Ashcroft Willmott ) Subject: Re: SLOW comms with X problem Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 10:05:02 GMT Strike this... I think it's an IRQ rpoblem. Craig. ------------------------------ From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik) Subject: Re: Linux performance?? Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 06:10:54 GMT In article <2bmah6$lj9@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> bbfaus@wam.umd.edu (John E. Krokes) writes: >Linux runs significantly faster than DOS because it's a 32-bit OS that >doesn't have the constraints that DOS does. DOS was written over a decade >ago for machines that are nowhere near as powerful as a 486, and some >limits were hard-coded into the OS. Windows is just a messy DOS program, >subject to the same constraints as DOS. Linux will let you use the full >capacity of your machine as no Microsoft product can. Then how do you explain Unix being originally written over 20 years ago? 8^) Linux is a faithful reproduction of Unix. I just wish the networking stuff was more stable. *SIGH* -greg -- Gregory A. Gulik Call Gagme, a public access greg@gagme.chi.il.us UNIX system at 312-282-8606 || gulik@rtsg.mot.com For information, send E-mail to info@gagme.chi.il.us ------------------------------ From: buk@taz.de ($ Burkhard Kohl) Subject: Re: 0.99pl13 Kernel Compilation Date: 10 Nov 1993 12:34:00 GMT Reply-To: buk@taz.de In article lok@bigboote.WPI.EDU, joev@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph W. Vigneau) writes: >Ok. I ftp'd 0.99pl13 from tsx, read the READMEs, verified that I have gcc 2.4.5 >(or whatever they wanted), and tryping to 'make dep' I get: > >touch tools/version.h >for i in sound; do (cd $i && make dep) || exit; done > .... [ stuff deleted » >gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M *.c > .depend >In file included from loop.c:27: >blk.h:193: #error "unknown blk device" >In file included from sbpcd.c:175: >blk.h:193: #error "unknown blk device" >make[2]: *** [dep] Error 1 >make[1]: *** [dep] Error 1 >make: *** [depend] Error 1 > >The standard question applies: What do I do now? I configured it properly >(I think)... Well, complain to the author(s) of these files - you should find the email-address in the header. We had similar problems when compiling 99pl12 which I duly reported to the author. The standard path to those two files should be /usr/src/linux/kernel/blk_dev/*.c Regarding your messages something has been changed compared to our problems. It looks like different configurations (with/without Soundsupport) are not handled properly. Tell your prob to the author since feedback is very important to detect hidden flaws in released kernel. Since I don't have the pl13 sources I can't advice you how to circumvent this prob. --- _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ Burkhard Kohl _/ _/ _/ _/ buk@taz.de _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ die tageszeitung _/ _/ _/ _/ Germany _/ _/ _/ _/ 10969 Berlin Phone: +30-259-02-120 _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Kochstr. 18 FAX : +30-251-06-94 ------------------------------ From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) Subject: *** Upcoming removal of comp.os.linux *** Date: 10 Nov 1993 15:03:02 GMT ******************* DO NOT POST TO COMP.OS.LINUX ********************** Since the comp.os.linux.* groups were created on Aug 12, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups plans to remove comp.os.linux on November 11. Many sites have removed local posting for comp.os.linux. Also, many Linux gurus have stopped reading or posting to this group. Start using the comp.os.linux.* groups instead: comp.os.linux.announce Announcements important to the Linux community. (Moderated) comp.os.linux.admin Installing and administering Linux systems. comp.os.linux.development Ongoing work on the Linux operating system. comp.os.linux.help Questions and advice about Linux. comp.os.linux.misc Linux-specific topics not covered by other groups. If your site does not carry these newsgroups, then complain loudly to your news admin. Do NOT crosspost to comp.os.linux. News administrators, please mark comp.os.linux as "n" (no local posting) as recommended by the news.announce.newgroups moderator. This notice is being posted every 2 days. If you do not wish to read this notice, please add it to your kill file. --Dave ------------------------------ Subject: Re: rsh bug ? From: volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu (Patrick J. Volkerding) Date: 10 Nov 93 14:42:48 -0600 In article <1993Nov10.143016.28677@solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de> stub@pce60 () writes: >Hi ! > >..when I rsh commands between my 2 LinuX boxes I notices some programs >complaining 'bout wrong pathes/directories... > >I think the problem can be put in one line: > > rsh nepal echo $\HOME $\PWD > >which gives > > / /home/yeti > >as output... >(not really, as /home/yeti is linked back via NFS to my other machine and >the real output contains the expanded link...) > >But $HOME should give /home/yeti (or my personal link)... > >What's wrong, where should I search ? > >bye > Ulf. The shadow rsh is buggy, as evidenced when you look in /usr/etc, and find "in.rshd" and "in.rshd.unsecure". The latter is the original shadow(?) rshd, and has MAJOR security holes, like: rshd 127.0.0.1 -l root "any command you like" works for ALL users. This horribly buggy version is still used in SLS. Anyway, I did some hacking to the source to make it more secure, but now it only works for users with no password. Kind of like boarding up a broken window, but it was about all I could do for it. The source as I left it is somewhere under /pub/linux on ftp.cdrom.com. If anyone has any luck fixing it, please let me know. It's quite short, but I just don't have the network programming know-how to make it work. So what do you guys think, should I just ditch the whole shadow thing like MCC does? --- Patrick Volkerding volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************