From: Digestifier To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 2 Mar 94 11:13:19 EST Subject: Linux-Development Digest #515 Linux-Development Digest #515, Volume #1 Wed, 2 Mar 94 11:13:19 EST Contents: Object-file formats (Wolfgang Brandt) Re: Help! GCC errors (Wolfgang Thiel) Re: Attention Linux Adaptec developers Linux on a Notebook.... Re: eth0: transmit timed out in PL15h (Peter Suetterlin) NCSA Mosaic 2.0 Complile Problem (Erik Petersen) Re: effectiveness of cache ram? (Henry A Worth) Re: LINUX FOR SUN (Gunnar Rønning) _doprnt under Linux... (Dan) Re: Attention Linux Adaptec developers (Grant Edwards) Re: serial driver woes (Frank Lofaro) Re: ISDN support for Linux -> status ? (Matthias Urlichs) Re: _doprnt under Linux... (Alfred Longyear) Re: X & Viper (Harry Langenbacher) sslinux on mach 3.0 ? (Reinier Lolkema) Re: PLEASE use the GPL (Kai Petzke) Re: Motif for Linux: proposal (Nick Kline) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ti6wb@tick.ti6.tu-harburg.de (Wolfgang Brandt) Subject: Object-file formats Date: 2 Mar 1994 08:33:25 GMT Reply-To: ti6wb@tick.ti6.tu-harburg.de (Wolfgang Brandt) Hi, I have two questions. 1. Do you know a book that describes the various object-file formats e.g. coff, elf, omf etc.? 2. Is there a document that describes the GNU object-file format? ------------------------------ From: upsyf173@psydiff4.uni-bielefeld.de (Wolfgang Thiel) Subject: Re: Help! GCC errors Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:57:01 GMT us292121@bulldog.mmm.com (Dean Junk) writes: >I just upgraded to .99.15 kernel from .99.14 kernel along with the >following libraries: .... >I am having the following problem compiling xmix: >/usr/lib/libgcc.sa(__libc.o): Definition of symbol __NEEDS_SHRLIB_libc_4 (multiply defined) >/usr/lib/libc.sa(__libc.o): Definition of symbol __NEEDS_SHRLIB_libc_4 (multiply defined) >make: *** [xmix] Error 1 > >Do you have any ideas? I have everything else working great but this! No, I won't answer this. You should read the release notes when you install new libraries. Wolfgang Thiel ------------------------------ From: mark@usenet.rpi.edu () Subject: Re: Attention Linux Adaptec developers Date: 2 Mar 1994 01:20:30 GMT David Rapchun (rapchun@suicide.sdsu.edu) wrote: > [lame garbage deleted] STANDARDIZED BONEHEAD REPLY FORM (original by David Parsons) I took exception to your recent _X_ post to ____comp.os.linux.development_. 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(newsgroup) ___ You have greatly misunderstood the purpose of the net. _X_ You are a loser. ___ You must have spent your entire life in a skinner box to be this clueless. ___ *plonk* ___ This has been pointed out to you before. _X_ It is recommended that you: (Mark all that apply) ___ stick to FidoNet and come back when you've grown up. ___ find a volcano and throw yourself in. ___ get a gun and shoot yourself. _X_ stop reading Usenet news and get a life. ___ stop sending email and get a life. ___ consume excrement. ___ consume excrement and thus expire. Sorry, I was just waiting for a chance to use this...:) -Mark ------------------------------ From: dev@hollywood.acsc.com () Subject: Linux on a Notebook.... Date: 2 Mar 1994 01:35:56 GMT Does Linux with XFree86 run on a Toshiba 1950CT notebook??? Any help is appreciated. Cheers! DM dev@hollywood.acsc.com ------------------------------ From: pit@lupo.kis.uni-freiburg.de (Peter Suetterlin) Subject: Re: eth0: transmit timed out in PL15h Date: 2 Mar 1994 11:08:10 GMT Rene COUGNENC (rene@renux.frmug.fr.net) wrote: > Ce brave Peter Suetterlin ecrit: > > eth0: transmit timed out, TX status 0x9c, ISR 0x0 > > eth0: Possible network cable problem? > > 486DX/2-66VL, 3com 503 Etherlink card, Slackware 1.1.0, PL15h > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I have the same card in one of my two machines. > When there is a small network problem, like the Ethernet disconnected > during less than 1 second, the card seems to hang (not always), and I get > these messages. > I have to issue a COLD reboot to correct this. > No problem whith the Ne2000 clone plugged in my second machine... > But most of the time, it works fine. > -- > linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux I talked to our Sysops and they told me there was some work going on with our Ethernet, so (hopefully) this was the reason. I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks, Peter ---------------------- Peter 'PIT' Suetterlin ------------------- | Kiepenheuer Institut | Sternfreunde | Planetarium Freiburg | | fuer Sonnenphysik | Breisgau e.V | | | 0761/3198-210 | 0761/71571 | 0761/276099 | -pit@lupo.kis.uni-freiburg.de---!! Hey, this is my linux box !!------ ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin From: erik@errant.north.net (Erik Petersen) Subject: NCSA Mosaic 2.0 Complile Problem Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 02:15:43 GMT I am having some trouble getting Mosaic 2.0 to compile of My Linux box with XFree86 2.0. The problem relates to libXm, or lack of it. What is lib Xm? Is it part of Motif? Do I need Motif to compile and use Mosaic 2.0?? I would appreciate help from anyone who has gotten this to work. A makefile would be nice, or instructions on what I need to use it. Thanks in advance. -- Erik Petersen erik@errant.north.net Errant on the Internet V 416.699.8959 Toronto, ON Canada F 416.699.5902 ------------------------------ From: haw30@eng.amdahl.com (Henry A Worth) Subject: Re: effectiveness of cache ram? Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 01:40:33 GMT In article <2kojdv$ndb@zeus.achilles.org>, ajh@zeus.achilles.org (Andrew Hutton) writes: |> : There are many many things that are better than having more cache. I've |> : got a 486/33 board with 64k cache -- I used to have 486/33 256k and I |> : never missed it at all..... |> |> Try putting more than 8 megs on the board... For 32 megs you need 256K. Only a few, generally older, motherboards of questionable design require adding more cache to expand memory. In a recent issue of "Microtimes" (a silicon valley area tabloid and computer shopping mag), there was an article questioning the value of >64K cache. They quoted a report from some independent testing lab that found 60% of the motherboards they tested ran faster with external cache disabled (unfortunetly, there were no details of how they conducted the tests). Designing a good cache subsytem is not a trivial exercise, unfortunetly a lot of motherboad vendors appear to be more interested selling more SRAM's, then in making a few perform well (SRAM's are one of the few items on a motherboard with significant profit margin). -- Henry Worth - haw30@eng.amdahl.com No, I don't speak for Amdahl... I'm not even sure I speak for myself. ------------------------------ From: gunnarr@ifi.uio.no (Gunnar Rønning) Subject: Re: LINUX FOR SUN Date: 2 Mar 1994 11:39:56 GMT >>>>> "Ron" == Ron Smits writes: In article <2kvn74$c2@draconia.hacktic.nl> ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits) writes: Ron> : what will it cost? Ron> Alot of blood sweat and tears Probably, but there are an ongoing port to the 680x0 architechture -- Gunnar Rønning (gunnarr@ifi.uio.no) #include ------------------------------ From: galpin@cats.ucsc.edu (Dan) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: _doprnt under Linux... Date: 2 Mar 1994 00:49:53 GMT In porting an app to Linux, I discovered that Linux does not seem to have the "standard" UNIX _doprnt library function.. (this is with gcc). Is there an equivalent function that I could use? - Dan -- ****************************************************************************** * Dan Galpin galpin@cats.ucsc.edu * ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) Subject: Re: Attention Linux Adaptec developers Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 00:47:28 GMT Peter Herweijer (pieterh@sci.kun.nl) wrote: : rapchun@suicide.sdsu.edu (David Rapchun) writes: : > [some silly question that he need not have asked if he'd taken the : > trouble to actually read the group instead of wasting other's time, : > followed by a particularly obnoxious .sig] : Your .sig is not only way too big, but utterly pathetic. What does it : represent? Subliminal messages or something? I hope nobody takes the : trouble to answer your question until you learn how to behave yourself. His sig (which is way obnoxious IMHO) is a picture of "Barney," who is a sickeningly sweet and mindless character from a children's TV show. AKA "The Purple Pedophile" I hate Barney, and I hate large sigs, so I assume that there is a special place in hell reserved for this sig. I also vote that we ignore him until he cleans up his act -- Grant Edwards |Yow! Rosemount Inc. |BI-BI-BI-BI-BI-BI-BI | grante@rosemount.com | ------------------------------ From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) Subject: Re: serial driver woes Date: Tue, 1 Mar 94 08:34:26 GMT In article <2kud5g$lm7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> gkm@tmn.com (Greg McGary) writes: > >* For some as yet unexplained reason, when I run the aforementioned > unreliable uucp receive transfers with lots of printk() debugging > turned on, the transfers become reliable and run at full speed > (betw. 1200-1300 bytes/sec. on a gzip'ed file at 14,400 bps > DCE->DCE). When I turn the debugging printk()s off, I get many > "tty65: input overrun" errors. This makes no sense to me, firstly > because printk() is relatively simple and fast, and secondly, if > anything, the printk()s should prolong the interrupt handler and > thereby *cause* more overrun errors. A worthwhile experiment would > be to replace the printk()s with short delay loops to see if its the > extra time that's significant, rather than something else peculiar > about calling printk(). > I have heard about this paradoxical effect before (someone had LESS trouble had a higher speed than at a lower one). If you send, wait around long enough, and thus get to handle the UART while still in the interrupt driver, you save an extra call to the interrupt driver. Way less latency and less load. P.S. with a 16550A you should not be having problems like you describe. Try pl15h. It might help. ------------------------------ From: urlichs@smurf.noris.de (Matthias Urlichs) Subject: Re: ISDN support for Linux -> status ? Date: 2 Mar 1994 14:39:23 +0100 In comp.os.linux.development, article <2kv31g$1hp@inasys.inasys.uucp>, behe@inasys.uucp (Bernd Hentig) writes: > we're currently using a DOS router (KA9Q/PCROUTE/PAPI) to communicate > to the outside TCP/IP world and it works great. > However, since BSD386 began supporting ISDN drivers since Version 1.0, > I wonder whether this has already been done for Linux. Well, yes, my Linux system is using ISDN to talk to the Internet... Sources are in ftp.ira.uka.de:/pub/systems/linux/netbsd. German 1TR6 protocol and dumb cards only at this time. -- I'm against group sex because I wouldn't know where to put my elbows. -- Martin Cruz Smith -- Matthias Urlichs \ XLink-POP Nürnberg | EMail: urlichs@smurf.noris.de Schleiermacherstraße 12 \ Unix+Linux+Mac | Phone: ...please use email. 90491 Nürnberg (Germany) \ Consulting+Networking+Programming+etc'ing 42 Click here. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: longyear@netcom.com (Alfred Longyear) Subject: Re: _doprnt under Linux... Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 13:55:37 GMT galpin@cats.ucsc.edu (Dan) writes: >In porting an app to Linux, I discovered that Linux does not seem to >have the "standard" UNIX _doprnt library function.. (this is with gcc). >Is there an equivalent function that I could use? >- Dan Add this to the file and, you too, will have _doprnt() under any ANSI C compiler. #include #define _doprnt(format,args,stream) vfprintf(stream,format,args) Or, perhaps a better alternative is to use the editor and change the program to be ANSI C compliant. Change the name and the order of the arguments. ------------------------------ From: harry@brain.jpl.nasa.gov (Harry Langenbacher) Subject: Re: X & Viper Date: 2 Mar 1994 03:48:26 GMT In article <2kt3kl$81h@news.panix.com> brianc@myhost.subdomain.domain (Brian Cummings) writes: > Does anyone know if the XFree Viper project has reached color yet? :) I'm >anxious to see my victims in Netrek in their full-color :) >From: brianc@myhost.subdomain.domain (Brian Cummings) Where the hell is myhost.subdomain.domain (Brian Cummings) ??? You can run 800x600 in 16 colors with an OAK vga-chip equipped viper using a slightly hacked freq program, and ChipSet "generic" and vga16 . I'll post some notes on how to do it if anyone's interested. Harry It gives us those _nice bright_ colors ... Gives us the _greens_ of summers Makes you think all the world's a _sunny_day_, oh yeah !! I got a _Nikon_ camera ... I love to take a _phot_o_graph_ So Momma, don't taaaaake my Kodachrome away -- Paul Simon -- H Langenbacher harry@brain.jpl.nasa.gov (818)354-9513 Concurrent Processing Devices Group, Jet Propulsion Lab 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena California 91109 USA ------------------------------ From: reinier@zikzak.apana.org.au (Reinier Lolkema) Subject: sslinux on mach 3.0 ? Date: 3 Mar 1994 01:35:06 +1100 Some time ago I read about a project to write a linux server for the mach microkernel. I think it was called sslinux (single server linux) and there was even a mention of a ftp site for an alpha version. Sadly I can't find this info back. If anyone knows what I'm talking about and has more info, please point me in the right direction as I am very interested in this project. -- ======================================================================= reinier@hagar.apana.org.au (Reinier Lolkema) 03-754-4567 Hagar is a 486-DX50 running Linux 0.99pl13 ======================================================================= ------------------------------ From: wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Kai Petzke) Subject: Re: PLEASE use the GPL Date: 2 Mar 94 12:30:38 GMT tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: >Yeah, but you could make a license that is similar, but differs in those >areas where you think the GPL should be modified. The copyright on the >GPL covers its expression of the terms of the license, but it does not >cover those terms themselves. >The best way to do this would be to make a list of the rights, restrictions, >and obligations spelled out in the GPL. Delete those you don't want. Add >any new ones you want. Then give the list to a lawyer and tell him or her >to write a license agreement for you. If you only want to add or change a few things of the GPL in your case, you can also make a Copyright file, which says: 1) This file/programme/whatever is Copyrighted by me. You can use/modify/ bla/bla it under the terms of the GNU Copyleft Version 2. 2) In exception to 1), you may not ... -- Kai Petzke Advertisement by Microsoft in a well-known German magazine: If you don't like our programmes, then make your own ones. However, they expect you to use Microsoft products for this -:) ------------------------------ From: kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) Subject: Re: Motif for Linux: proposal Date: 1 Mar 1994 21:04:03 -0700 In article , wrote: > > > Yo: > > Sometime ago there was someone proposing to go ahead with > the creation of a Motif lookalike/compatible library. > > I though it was a neat idea at the time, but took no notice > of it. I thought that a real Motif would come out Real Soon > Now. > > Everyone knows I was wrong :-): since then some Motif > implementations for Linux have appeared always for some > price ( though not for much, we must agree ). It seems that > this will always be the case, because of licensing costs from > OSF. > > Together with the polemics surrounding OSF royalties/runtime > schemes I got to think about the aforementioned proposal. > > > Did it go through ? Has work started on it ? I saw some > references to NOTIF, but no real info ? At the time the proposal > was made I volunteered but got no reply. > this was two weeks ago. is it still being worked on? -nick ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Development-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.development) via: Internet: Linux-Development@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Development Digest ******************************