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From: ewtroan@watson.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: Linux Journal -- magazine
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:12:03 GMT
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Reply-To: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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In article <C5pr9t.3Kp@fin.uucp>, chip@fin.uucp (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
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|> According to linux@fylz.com (Linux Journal):
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|> >Why does the Linux community need a magazine? The publisher of a
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|> >technical magazine I was talking to put it this way: "No successful
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|> >movement has ever made it without a journal reporting on its progress."
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|>
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|> Ha! We don't need no steenkin' journal. We have Usenet.
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|> --
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|> Chip Salzenberg, at home <chip@fin.uucp> or <tscs!fin!chip>
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But! Other's do need a nice clean journal. They don't have Usenet.
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The whole world isn't on internet. Any effort that can be made that doesn't
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cost ME or YOU anything is a good idea. Don't discourage anyone from
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spreading the word about linux. Think about all of those poor lost souls
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who still see "C>" when they turn on their machines.
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Sad, isn't it?
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Erik
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+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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When I was in school, I cheated on my metaphysics exam: I looked into
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the soul of the boy sitting next to me.
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-- Woody Allen
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Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu, ewtroan@vnet.ibm.com
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From: ewtroan@watson.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: 16550 uarts and .99pl8
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:22:30 GMT
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Reply-To: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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In article <1993Apr20.114346.781@ositos.UUCP>, cmf@ositos.UUCP (Carl
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Fongheiser) writes:
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|> In article <1993Apr19.081303.15747@cs.tulane.edu>
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butler@cs.tulane.edu (Larry Butler) writes:
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|> >Is anyone having problems with patchlevel 8 and 16550 uarts? Ever since I
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|> >changed from pl 6 to pl 8 I have been having problrms with characters
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|> >repeating. It's a little hard to explain. I clipped a couple of lines from
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|> >kermit while logged in to a remote system:
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|>
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|> I'm seeing the exact same thing with my Boca 4-port card. Kind of annoying
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|> when I'm using the modem to fetch stock quotes :-(
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|>
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|> Carl Fongheiser
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|> ositos!cmf@vpnet.chi.il.us
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I'm having that problem too! I've been running pl 7 before I bought
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my no-name 16550C card, and have reapeating characters intermittantly.
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Erik
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+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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When I was in school, I cheated on my metaphysics exam: I looked into
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the soul of the boy sitting next to me.
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-- Woody Allen
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Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu, ewtroan@vnet.ibm.com
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From: ewtroan@watson.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Windows NT Announcement
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 16:45:15 GMT
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Reply-To: ewt@sunsite.unc.edu
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Just wanted to make sure everyone heard about Bill Gates latest announcement
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concerning Windows NT. Apparently it won't ship before August 1st, will
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nedd at least 16mb of RAM (more for servers), and will be priced around
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$500 for the non-server version. He even said that if you don't know why
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you want NT, you probably don't want NT.
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Thank you Linus for saving us all from this. My 4 MB 25 MHz 386 has never
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seemed so lively.
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Erik
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+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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When I was in school, I cheated on my metaphysics exam: I looked into
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the soul of the boy sitting next to me.
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-- Woody Allen
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Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu, ewtroan@vnet.ibm.com
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From: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: Linux FTP mail server?
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 18:08:18 GMT
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Reply-To: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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In article <802@wpsun4.UUCP>, jayk@wpsun4.UUCP (Jay Kint) writes:
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|> Is there one, and how does one use it? More precisely, is it fairly
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standard
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|> and what is the address one sends a help to. As well, perhaps someone knows
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|> if the uunet has a FTP mail server. I have access to the archives on UUNET
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|> and they contain the Linux stuff.
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|>
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|> Thanx for any information.
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|>
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|> Jay
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|> wpsun4!jayk@uunet.uu.net
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|>
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sunsite.unc.edu has a mailserver of its very own. To use it, send mail to
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"ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu" and it'll tell you how.
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In response to your next question, I'm pretty sure that sunsite does indeed
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have every tcp bell and ip whistle that exists. jem likes to play :-)
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Let me know if you have any problems,
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Erik
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+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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When I was in school, I cheated on my metaphysics exam: I looked into
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the soul of the boy sitting next to me.
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-- Woody Allen
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Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu, ewtroan@vnet.ibm.com
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From: pdh@netcom.com (P D H)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.coherent,comp.os.mach,comp.os.minix,comp.periphs,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.386bsd.development
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Subject: Re: QIC NEWS vol.1 Special Edition #1
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Date: 23 Apr 93 05:49:01 GMT
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jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) posts:
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> -I tried to convince them to reconsider the issue of that cost vs.
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> -the profit of selling more drives. At least 2 people I talked
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> -to said they would bring it up when the chance arrived. I talked
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> -to them in terms of the LINUX system market potentials. I can't
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> -see how they can ignore the OS/2 market.
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>
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> We sell the .. for OS/2.
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> :: [deleted] ::
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Now LINUX, please. I've already abandoned OS/2, having found that it is
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not (yet) a true 32-bit protected mode system (I know, 32-bits apps, but
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that is not what I am taking about).
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> ->You can get all the specs you need from the QIC committee.
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> :: [deleted] ::
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> :: [see QIC NEWS vol.1 no.1] ::
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Not true. This is apparently the specs that CMS wants you to think you
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need. The "need" in this case seems to be that on the part of CMS; THEY
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need for us porgrammers to go hide somewhere and quit trying to make
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better software. Every time I hear that from them, it makes me SICK!
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I have the QIC specs. Ain't in there.
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> This goes back to the amount of support we can provide. The
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> software and communications are not as simple as they may appear.
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> The specs are also long and terse.
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Please don't baby me. Some of us a very good programmers that can
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understand complex subjects, and even understand hardware. So they
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are long and terse. That's only a sign of poor documentation anyway.
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I know the parallel port problem is not simple. It is difficult in
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part because the original design didn't expect it to be used for this.
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But then we can find tons of really bad designs in the PC architecture
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that people found working solutions around.
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> Our software group is quite active. They have to support new
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> hardware as it comes out while doing new software development.
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All the more reason to open the specs. Third party software developers
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might well surprise you in how innovative they can be.
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I believe a possible solution here is for the QIC group to adopt a
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standard for operating over the parallel interface. This standard
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really should be one that is very universal. It should not be
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specific to tape backup units, but rather, it should be one that
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will allow software on the PC, and hardware on the other side of
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the interface that plugs into the PC, to have a reliable and simple
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communications path. Then on top of that (an interface circuit and
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a driver on the PC) you can put any kind of connection application
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you want, like a backup tape.
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Then another standard should exist for how to command a tape backup
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unit through the above reliable simple raw data path. It should be
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workable as a modular standard, usable for tapes supporting any of
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the other QIC recording formats and data formats.
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--
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| Phil Howard, pdh@netcom.com, KA9WGN Spell protection? "1(911)A1" |
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| Right wing conservative capitalists are out to separate you from your MONEY |
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| Left wing liberal do gooders are out to separate you from EVERYTHING ELSE!! |
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+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: some general questions about linux
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 18:21:39 GMT
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Reply-To: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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In article <lee.735583373@ceg.uiuc.edu>, lee@ceg.uiuc.edu (Chris Lee) writes:
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|> I've seen linux run on a PC, and am convinced that it's the ONLY
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|> REAL OS for PCs. I have a few general questions about linux before
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|> I make the jump.
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|>
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|> 1. How reliable is the filesystem? Do fsck and friends repair
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|> most (if not all) of the file system damage?
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|>
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Very. I've been running the ext fs for months w/o a problem. I've heard
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ext2 and xiafs are fine too. Minix is extremely reliable as well, but
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fairly braindead.
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|> 2. Will disk utilities like Norton Speed Disk corrupt the linux
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|> partition if run? I assume you don't really need to run a
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|> defrag program if it has a real file system.
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|>
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It will kill the parition is no time flat. Of course, I'd be suprised
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if you could ever convince one to run on a non-dos parition anyway. If
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you do manage to somehow, report it to the company who made it
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immediately. It really should no better.
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Many good fs do need de-fragmentors. Linux has one, and it's on
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sunsite (and I'm sure it's on other places as well).
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|> 3. Being UN*X, I assume if you boot linux, you have to go thru
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|> the shutdown procedure. But, being dual-bootable with DOS,
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|> can you just turn the machine off if you booted DOS instead of
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|> linux? Will this damage the linux partition?
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If you're running dos, you can just turn it off. No problems.
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|>
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|> 4. I've seen a DOS partition mounted on linux. How accessible
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|> is the linux partition to DOS? Do you have to go thru the
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|> floppy to do that?
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Not very accessible at all. The best way of moving a linux file to
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dos is to boot linux and "cp file /dos". Shutdown, and then boot dos.
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It'll be there when you get there.
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|>
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|> 5. How much disk space is required for the OS, GCC, and TeX
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|> with none of the networking stuff (this is probably a FAQ)?
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|> I figure I don't really need ftp, rlogin, and telnet for
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|> a home machine.
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I don't know - 30 meg maybe. Somewhere around there anyway. Note that
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if you do the installation by hand it'll be significantly smaller then
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the equivalent SLS installation (as SLS is VERY complete).
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|>
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|> 6. How are printers accessed? Is it thru the parallel port or
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|> the serial port? Also, are drivers and filters available for
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|> various printers?
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|>
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Parallel or Serial. Standard lp commands are available. The only drivers
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you should beed are for printing graphics, and TeX .dvi convertors can
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do some of it, and GhostScript can probably do the rest.
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|> 7. What comm programs are available? Currently I just use the
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|> terminal program that came with Windows3.1 (*gag*).
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Kermit (my favorite), Minicom, pcomm. You didn't mention X anywhere
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in this, so I'll assume you don't want to run X ones (though the comm
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progs for X are supposed to be much better)
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|>
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|> 8. What video cards are supported? The one I saw was on a
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|> Diamond Speedstar. Does it support ATI cards? Also, I read
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|> that EISA and MCA support is not there. What about local
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|> bus video (this is probably a FAQ)?
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|>
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MCA doesn't work. At all. Don't try it. EISA and local bus should though.
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For non-X stuff, and standard VGA card should work fine. If you don't want
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graphics at all, any EGA/VGA/MDA card works.
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Erik
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+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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When I was in school, I cheated on my metaphysics exam: I looked into
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the soul of the boy sitting next to me.
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-- Woody Allen
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Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu, ewtroan@vnet.ibm.com
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From: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: 16550 uarts and .99pl8
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 13:36:44 GMT
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Reply-To: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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In article <C5yv07.Eny@world.std.com>, nigel@world.std.com (Nigel R
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Gamble) writes:
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|> I don't have any problems with 0.99pl8 and my 16550A. But I recently
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|> read over in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware that the difference between a
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|> 16550 and a 16550A is that the 16550 has a bug in the FIFO which can
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|> cause repeated characters. So the question is: has anyone who knows
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|> that they have a 16550A (and not a plain 16550) seen this repeated
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|> character problem?
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|>
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|> --
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|> Nigel Gamble gamble!nigel@uunet.uu.net
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|> Boca Raton, FL, USA. uunet!gamble!nigel
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I'm having this problem. Looking at the chip tells me its a 16550C, and
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the kernel tells me its a 16550A at bootup.
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Erik
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From: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: nothing lets me mount proc fs :(
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 13:43:34 GMT
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Reply-To: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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In article <C62MB3.Ep@r-node.hub.org>, marc@r-node.hub.org (Marc G
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Fournier) writes:
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|> Hi folks...
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|>
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|> how do I get mount to let me mount a proc fs so that I can use
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|> procps? I've tried useing the default mount that comes with the SLS
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|> dist, but it gives me a mount: error #####...I've tried downloading
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|> and compiling the mount-0.99.6.tar.z package, but it tells me that my
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|> kernel doesn't have proc fs enabled...which it most certainly does (I
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|> compiled it a second time, just in case I did make that mistake)
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|>
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|> what am I missing, please?
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|>
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|> thanks...
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|> marc
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|>
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Try this
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# su
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# mkdir /proc
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# mount -proc /proc /proc
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I'd guess you're missing the mkdir part.
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Erik
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From: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: [Q] Where can I find SCCS for linux
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 13:52:10 GMT
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Reply-To: ewt@sunsite.unc.edu
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In article <1993Apr26.040302.28468@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
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jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid) writes:
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|> In article <C5xJIv.5Dy@sci.kun.nl> wimjan@sci.kun.nl (Wim-Jan
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Hilgenbos) writes:
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|> >Hi,
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|> >
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|> >If I remember correctly I read 2 month ago something about SCCS
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|> >ported to linux. Recently we started to use it at university so
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|> >I like to have it for my linux system at home. I let archie search
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|> >for it, but all it came up with were BSD-sources. So I'm wondering
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|> >Is there a SCCS for linux? IF so where? If not so, can I use the
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|> >BSD source?
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|> sccs is available on sunsite.unc.edu in
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|> /pub/Linux/development/ver_cont/sccs.tar.Z.
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|> enjoy,
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|> jem.
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|>
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Incredible. I just removed sccs from sunsite, get to work, fire up my
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newsreader for the first time since Friday, and there is a nice long thread
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on SCCS.
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A note from a concerned citizen prompted me to take a look at the sccs
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distribution on sunsite (which was where jem said above). The source code
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has *no* copyright information, even though one file (sccs.c) that I looked
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at had an RCS tag indicating it was from UCB 4.2. As I have never seen
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and legitimate bsd source code without a copyright notice, this made me a
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little nervous.
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Then I looked at the README, which said this as a port of sccs to linux
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be PALMC (People Against Large Multinational Corporations), and the
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port was done by "Bart", who apparently has no e-mail address.
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Finally, I looked at the Makefile, which mentioned System III, but also
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had no copyright.
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These observations and my own knowledge that SCCS was oringally written
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at AT&T and was thus owned by them prompted my to remove sccs from sunsite's
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archives this morning. If anyone has
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a) A freely available version of sccs or
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b) Knowledge as to where this one came from
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Please let me know so I can resolve that problem. Until I get more information,
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sccs will no longer be available on sunsite.
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Please direct all replies and flames to email at ewt@sunsite.unc.edu.
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Erik
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PS: To all potential uploaders of (C) stuff: While I support linux as strongly
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as you do, I cannot allow non freely-distributable software on sunsite.
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Please don't bother uploading it, as you are oonly making my life more
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difficult and c.o.l. more noisy.
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When I was in school, I cheated on my metaphysics exam: I looked into
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the soul of the boy sitting next to me.
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-- Woody Allen
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Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu, ewtroan@vnet.ibm.com
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From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@athena.mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: 16550 uarts and .99pl8
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Date: 26 Apr 1993 22:57:46 -0400
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Reply-To: tytso@athena.mit.edu
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From: ewtroan@ewt.raleigh.ibm.com (Erik Troan)
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 13:36:44 GMT
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I'm having this problem. Looking at the chip tells me its a 16550C, and
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the kernel tells me its a 16550A at bootup.
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Don't worry about it. There are no real functional differences between
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the NS16550A, the NS16550AF, the PC16550, and the PC16550C --- indeed, I
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don't believe there is a software method for distinguishing between
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them. The only real thing that is at all important is distinguishing
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between these three cases:
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*) NS8250 UART's (don't have a scratch register, don't have FIFO)
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*) NS16450/NS16550 UART's (don't have a FIFO -- or a working FIFO)
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*) NS16550A/NS16550AF,PC16550,PC16550C (has a working FIFO).
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And all Linux cares about is whether or not the chip has a working FIFO
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or not --- if it does, it will print that it has a 16550A; otherwise, it
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will print that it has detected a 16550 or a 16450.
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Note: there are actually very few NS16550's out there --- they were only
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produced for a few months before National Semiconductor realized there
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was a bug in a chip, and quickly fixed it. Most of them are in the
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first generation PS/2's, which means most Linuxer's probably won't run
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into them.
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One thing that is confusing is that there are other chip manufacturers
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other than National Semiconductor making 16550A compatible UART's. So
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just because the chip says "16550" doesn't necessarily mean that you
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can't use its FIFO's --- take a look at what the kernel says. If the
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kernel detects a 16550A, you can probably trust its FIFO's.
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- Ted
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