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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@news-digests.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 92 15:30:15 EST
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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #52
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Linux-Activists Digest #52, Volume #1 Sat, 15 Feb 92 15:30:15 EST
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Contents:
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Re: Help! Can't boot! (Peter Cooper)
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Re: I fixed the TAR problem; kermit; kmem?; DOS emulator (Peter Cooper)
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Re: Help! Can't boot! (Court Demas)
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Re: Help! Can't boot! (KiYun Roe)
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Re: Help! Can't boot! (Sean Eckton)
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More questions about Linux :-) (D.Bolla)
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Re: who can't open utmp (Peter Orbaek)
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init/getty/login announcement (Peter Orbaek)
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["Mark W. Eichin": update sources (complete releases?)] (Theodore Ts'o)
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[Theodore Ts'o: [Steven Wilson: rogue.tar.Z]] (Theodore Ts'o)
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Re: Help! Can't boot! (Steven Wilson)
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mtools source and binary available (Charles Hedrick)
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Re: More questions about Linux :-) (Charles Hedrick)
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From: comrade@uniwa.uwa.oz.au (Peter Cooper)
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Subject: Re: Help! Can't boot!
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Date: 15 Feb 92 01:17:08 GMT
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jsaker@odin.unomaha.edu (Jamie Saker) writes:
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: Court Demas <cd2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
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:
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: >I've been trying to get linux to run on my Zeos 486, but I can't seem to
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: >get it to even boot up! When I boot up with the rawrited bootimage it
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: >just hangs after reading the disk for a second or two. When I tried
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: >rawriting from a PS/2 it would boot and then go into a loop displaying
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: >what looked like:
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: >I have a Zeos 486/33, 8mb, 210mb IDE ctrl, 1.44/1.2mb drives
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:
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: After posting about my problems w/ Linux boot not booting (disk spins several
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: seconds, writes |- Loa -and hangs), I've noticed several other posts from
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: owners of 486 systems with similar problems. Can anyone confirm that
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: Linux presently hates the 486? Anyone been able to get it to run under
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: a 486 and if so, what sort of configuration do you have?
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Linux runs fine on the machine I use. It is a 486/33, 120 M IDE drive, 4
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megs memory. Brand is something called 'comdex'. Just another clone I
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think. SVGA trident card with 1 meg memory. Nice and stable.
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From: comrade@uniwa.uwa.oz.au (Peter Cooper)
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Subject: Re: I fixed the TAR problem; kermit; kmem?; DOS emulator
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Date: 15 Feb 92 01:25:05 GMT
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joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman) writes:
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: First of all, thanks to all those who responsed to the problem I was
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: having with TAR. It took me an amazingly long time to realize that
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: the 3.5" drive I use as a: is a 1.44M, and not 1.2M, drive.... :-)
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:
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: Has someone fixed the problem with kermit? I can get it to dial
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: (sometimes), but when I try to connect, I have less than a second of
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: communications before kermit decided I've had enough. Also, why
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: doesn't:
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:
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: echo atx4dt 1234567 > /dev/tty64
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:
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: dial the phone?
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Because the serial ports are by default in raw mode. i.e echo whatnot,
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actaully sends the byte seqence "whatnot\n" to the modem, \n being a
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newline, NOT the carrige return it wants.
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try 'stty opost onlcr -a /dev/tty64'.
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:
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: Is /dev/kmem implemented/working? I'd like to run something like
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: ``top.''
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/dev/mm , /dev/kmem are not yet implemented. Linus? 0.13??
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: As I understand, all a DOS emulator would need to do is remap memory
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: and intercept DOS and BIOS interupts. At least that should handle
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: well-behaved DOS programs. Many of the interupts could simply be
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: converted into Unix system calls, I suspect. At any rate, is anyone
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: working on this? Also, can the 386 have virtual 386 machines? For
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: example, could such a DOS emulator run DJGPP's GCC for DOS, which is
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: itself a 32 application? What about windows under Linux?
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Dos emulators also need to intercept any hardware i/o, any screen
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access. And (this is the sticky bit) the emulated DOS needs to reside at
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virtual address 0. This is bad because currently linux is sitting there.
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A 386 can't have virtualt 386 machine. Say goodbye to 386 stuff under a
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DOS emulator. Windows under linux won't work in any sort of protected
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mode. The virtual machine built into a 386 is an 8086. i.e. no protected
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mode or anything like that.
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:
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: Again, many thanks Linus!
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:
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: -Joel
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From: cd2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Court Demas)
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Subject: Re: Help! Can't boot!
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Date: 15 Feb 92 05:25:37 GMT
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.os.linux: 14-Feb-92 Re: Help! Can't boot!
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tucker@yuppie.enet.dec.c (660)
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> When I saw that and other problems similar to what other people have been
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> describing in the installation problems postings, it was becase the file
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> had been mangled before it got to the dos machine. I was using ftpmail
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> to VMS, then kermit to dos. It took some experimenting before I got a
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> bootimage that worked.
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Before I transferred it to my machine I zipped it and everything else
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with PKZ - so nothing happened there. Also, the executables (rawrite,
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etc) all work on my machine, and they were all ftp'd at the same time
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from the same site - in binary mode.
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ACK!
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I've tried both the 1.2 and 1.44 and nothing seems to work! Any other
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suggestions???
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-court
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From: kroe@sbstaff2.cs.sunysb.edu (KiYun Roe)
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Subject: Re: Help! Can't boot!
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Date: 15 Feb 92 04:35:55 GMT
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Regarding whether Linux runs on 486 machines: I have Linux running on
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a Gateway 2000 486/33, 4MB RAM, 200MB Western Digital Piranha HD. It's
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a Micronics motherboard with Phoenix BIOS.
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--
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KiYun Roe kroe@sbcs.sunysb.edu
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Department of Computer Science
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SUNY at Stony Brook
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Stony Brook, NY 11794-4400 (516) 632-7675
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From: ecktons@sirius.byu.edu (Sean Eckton)
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Subject: Re: Help! Can't boot!
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Date: 14 Feb 92 19:21:12 GMT
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In article <jsaker.698088920@odin> jsaker@odin.unomaha.edu (Jamie Saker)
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writes:
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> Court Demas <cd2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
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>
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>
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> >I've been trying to get linux to run on my Zeos 486, but I can't seem to
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> >get it to even boot up! When I boot up with the rawrited bootimage it
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> >just hangs after reading the disk for a second or two. When I tried
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> >rawriting from a PS/2 it would boot and then go into a loop displaying
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> >what looked like:
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> >I have a Zeos 486/33, 8mb, 210mb IDE ctrl, 1.44/1.2mb drives
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>
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> After posting about my problems w/ Linux boot not booting (disk spins
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several
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> seconds, writes |- Loa -and hangs), I've noticed several other posts from
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> owners of 486 systems with similar problems. Can anyone confirm that
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> Linux presently hates the 486? Anyone been able to get it to run under
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> a 486 and if so, what sort of configuration do you have?
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>
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> Curious...
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>
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I've got a friend that uses Linux all the time. This is his configuration
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(to the best of my knowledge): 486-33, 4Meg, 120 M hard disk, 1.2M disk
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drive (A:), 1.44M disk drive (B:), SVGA. He has had no problems at all. I
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have run into some strange problems also. I tried to run it on a PS/2-80.
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It started up and looked like it was going to work, but then after it asked
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me to choose a video mode and I responded, it gave me an error:
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copy_to_cooked: missing queues. At that point, it just died. I tried the
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same thing on an old XT with a 386Inboard. I just kept getting those strange
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errors like were listed:
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ax 123
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bx 141
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cx 34235
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dx 0914
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Let me ask a question and see if this stimulates any ideas. I tried using a
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PS/2 that would boot up on 1.44 and it didn't work. Could that be a
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peculiarity with Linux? Maybe it doesn't like 1.44M drives on some machines.
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I have seen other people post here and they use PS/2's and Linux is a bit
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crippled, but it works.
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--
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Sean Eckton
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Internet: ecktons@sirius.byu.edu Brigham Young University, Provo, UT.
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Packet Radio: kd6bik @ wb7esh.#orem.ut.usa.na
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From: db1@ukc.ac.uk (D.Bolla)
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Subject: More questions about Linux :-)
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Date: 15 Feb 92 16:07:44 GMT
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Hello !
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Few more questions about Linux :-)
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1) I have seen the draft 2 for the filesystem it seems fairly complete to
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me and I think it is time for it to be published. When will this
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happen ?
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2) As it is now there is no /vmlinux file in the root directory. The
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standard vay to boot is to boot all the kernel from floppy. I haven't
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tried shoelace... so I can't know if that is the solution. What I would
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like is to have a SMALL boot code in the floppy that loads /vmlinux and
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execute it. Is this possible ? Will it be done in the next release ?
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3) Related to the above question there is the problem of the ps command
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that now uses an ioctl to do it's job. This is not very standard.
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Usually what ps does is to use the symbols in /vmlinux to look in
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/dev/kmem for the right stuff. Of course to have a ps like this we need
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a /vmlinux and a /dev/kmem working. Will it be done ?
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4) I just bought a book about UNIX system V system calls (Release 4 ) it is
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quite useful since it describes the error codes and when they happens
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( In additions to the availables syscalls in AT&T Unix )
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and it is fairly complete. I heard thet SYS V r 4 is POSIX compatible.
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Is this true ? . If it is compatible will be possible to try to follow
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part of this book ?
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BTW SunOs is going to be SysVr4 with Solaris .....
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( If anybody is interested I will email the books details )
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5) I am writting the format program. It will allow you to examine the
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partitions of DOS Hd and change them. I started the coding.. but I would
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like to know if somebody has already done it :-)
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Damiano
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From: poe@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Orbaek)
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Subject: Re: who can't open utmp
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Date: 15 Feb 92 14:24:14 GMT
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zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga) writes:
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>I've got the mylogin3 package up and running on my machine, and it
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>works. Unfortunately, along with the problems with make and such already
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>reported, I've run into a problem with the program who, included in the
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>mylogin3 package.
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>If I'm logged in as other than root, who fails, reporting
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>_setutent: Can't open utmp: not owner
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>Presumably meaning I'm not the owner. I'm not so hot at sysadmin, but
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>does this have to do with setuid on the binaries? Isn't who supposed to
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>be able to read utmp no matter whom called it? Whats the fix?
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This is caused by an error on my part. The utmp2.c routines try to open
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/etc/utmp as O_RDWR, even when not running as root. It's been fixed in
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my new and improved :-) package: poeigl.tar.Z available from ftp.daimi.aau.dk
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See separate announcement...
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BTW. permissions on /etc/utmp and /etc/wtmp should be -rw-r--r--, we dont'
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want to make the same mistake as Sun, making utmp world writable.
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- Peter.
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--
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Peter Orbaek ----------------- poe@daimi.aau.dk | ///
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Hasle Ringvej 122, DK-8200 Aarhus N, DENMARK | ///
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"Strong typing is for people with weak memories" | \XX/
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From: poe@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Orbaek)
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Subject: init/getty/login announcement
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Date: 15 Feb 92 14:28:13 GMT
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I have just ftp'ed my package of init/getty/login for Linux to:
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ftp.daimi.aau.dk file: /pub/Linux-source/poeigl.tar.Z
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nic.funet.fi file: /pub/OS/Linux/incoming/poeigl.tar.Z
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There are actually 2 inits, namely a hacked version of qpl-init, but it
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doesn't work very well, and a more SysV like init that I wrote myself. It
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works very well for me.
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The getty program is a port of agetty posted to comp.sources.misc.
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The login program is a port of BSD login first to HPUX then to Linux.
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For init to work really well you should patch your kernel to run init as
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process 1 instead of /etc/rc. But you can test it without that patch.
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There's even a README file this time. :-)
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The package still contains the complete UFC code, plus who, last and hostname
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utils.
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Try it, and let me know what you think.
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I hope this will be in 0.13...
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As an aside: I wrote about a bug in the kernel concering the check in
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check_char_dev() in fs/open.c of tty->session == 0. As an experiment I removed
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that check and built a new kernel, and the problems disappeared!
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I doubt that this is a good way to solve it though.
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- Peter (poe@daimi.aau.dk)
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--
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Peter Orbaek ----------------- poe@daimi.aau.dk | ///
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Hasle Ringvej 122, DK-8200 Aarhus N, DENMARK | ///
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"Strong typing is for people with weak memories" | \XX/
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From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
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Subject: ["Mark W. Eichin": update sources (complete releases?)]
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Reply-To: tytso@athena.mit.edu
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1992 17:52:52 GMT
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This was forwarded to the wrong group because the
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Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu gateway was goofed up. My
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apologies....
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- Ted
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======= Forwarded Message
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To: Perl-Users@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU
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From: eichin@ATHENA.MIT.EDU ("Mark W. Eichin")
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Subject: update sources (complete releases?)
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Reply-To: eichin@ATHENA.MIT.EDU ("Mark W. Eichin")
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1992 23:54:43 GMT
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I've sucked over just about everything on tsx-11.mit.edu:pub/linux and
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one thing I noticed was that I couldn't find sources to update... I
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understand not releasing all of the gnu sources that we could get
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elsewhere, but I'd expect to find something like update as part of the
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tree. Did I miss it? Anyone know where it is hiding? (Am I confused
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for some other reason? :-)
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In general, it would be nice to know that we had either source
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or pointers to source for everything in the release (just to rebuild
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it all, if nothing else.)
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_Mark_ <eichin@athena.mit.edu>
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MIT Student Information Processing Board
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ps. Success story - I've got a 486/40mhz (AMI), 210M ide drive, 16M
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ram, ET4000 SVGA/1Meg, and linux worked first try, I'm even doing
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kernel builds now.
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From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
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Subject: [Theodore Ts'o: [Steven Wilson: rogue.tar.Z]]
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Reply-To: tytso@athena.mit.edu
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1992 17:53:26 GMT
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Also forwarded to the wrong news group due to a bug in the news/mail
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gateway configuration....
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- Ted
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To: Perl-Users@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU
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From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
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Subject: [Steven Wilson: rogue.tar.Z]
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Reply-To: tytso@athena.mit.edu
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1992 01:37:51 GMT
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In ~ftp/pub/linux/sources/usr.games/rogue.tar.Z
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- Ted
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 92 15:55:14 PST
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From: stevew@netcom.com (Steven Wilson)
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To: tytso@MIT.EDU
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Subject: rogue.tar.Z
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I uploaded the file rogue.tar.Z to tsx-11.mit.edu. The name
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should be explanatory. I ported the PD version of rogue to
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LINUX over the last couple evenings...figured it was a good
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way to learn a little about POSIX along the way...anyway,
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if you could move this to the public directory I'd appreciate
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it.
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Steve Wilson stevew@netcom.com
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From: stevew@netcom.COM (Steven Wilson)
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Subject: Re: Help! Can't boot!
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Date: 15 Feb 92 17:52:40 GMT
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I've got Linux up and running and have been busy trying to
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port the various gnu software packages, et al that equate to the basic
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command set under unix. I haven't run across od yet... and
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Linus mentioned using an od in a recent posting. Where
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might the sources be located? As a further aside, has anyone
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got mtools accessing their Hard disk. I've got to admit I'm a
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bit chicken ;-) I've got two disks, one which is a full Dos partition
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and the other with two parititions running with Linux. The DOS
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partition is a 4.0 formated file system...is mtools up to this?
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Steve Wilson
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From: hedrick@dumas.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
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Subject: mtools source and binary available
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Date: 15 Feb 92 19:35:57 GMT
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I've just put my copy of mtools on athos.rutgers.edu:/pub/linux. This
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is reflected onto banjo.concert.net, which would probably be a better
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place to get it. mtoolbin.tar.Z is the binaries and formatted man
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pages, mtoolsrc.tar.Z is the sources. This is based on the most
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recent mtools I could find, which supports large DOS disk partitions.
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I've modified it slightly, to allow a Unix filename of "-" to indicate
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standard in or standard out in mwrite and mread. This allows things
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like my backup script, which does a tar piped into mwrite.
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You may need to modify devices.c to match your system's floppy setup.
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It's currently set so that a: is /dev/at0 and b: is /dev/PS1, I think.
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(I confess I'm not entirely sure how that code works, as I only use
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this software with the hard disk.)
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I've tested the code carefully with hard disk files, and not at all
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with floppy files.
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From: hedrick@dumas.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
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Subject: Re: More questions about Linux :-)
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Date: 15 Feb 92 19:55:28 GMT
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>3) Related to the above question there is the problem of the ps command
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> that now uses an ioctl to do it's job. This is not very standard.
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> Usually what ps does is to use the symbols in /vmlinux to look in
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> /dev/kmem for the right stuff. Of course to have a ps like this we need
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> a /vmlinux and a /dev/kmem working. Will it be done ?
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I think many people now believe it's a mistake to have programs
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reading kernel memory. This makes programs highly dependent upon the
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structure of the kernel. E.g. under SunOS, whenever you get a new
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version of the kernel, you have to change ps and the sharable
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libraries on which it depends. In a new system, I'd strongly
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recommend using some method other than /dev/kmem for programs like ps.
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Preferably it should be a system call that you can use to ask for
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specific data. This allows kernel data structures and variable names
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to be changed without affecting programs, since the system call can
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reformat the data. In my view, /dev/kmem is a remnant of the early
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Unix philosophy that almost any hack is acceptable if it avoids the
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need for adding something to the kernel. This makes sense on
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PDP-11's, but on larger systems I'm willing to accept a bit of grwoth
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in the kernel to avoid hacks like programs that have to understand the
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kernel data structures. Please, let's stamp out /dev/kmem and any
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other dependencies on kernel data structures in Linux.
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I'm not sure I'd use an ioctl for this. I suggest adding a system
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call specifically for getting information from the kernel. I'd
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suggest looking at the TOPS-20 calls as a model. I'm a bit hazy on
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details, but as I recall, you passed the system call a list of
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descriptors saying what you wanted. Each descriptor was a table
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number or name, an offset into the table, a location to put it, and
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the amount of memory you had available at that offset. The table and
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offset was because often you needed lists, e.g. lists of jobs, but
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sometimes you might only be interested in one item. In the first case
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you'd give an offset of zero (or -1, meaning the whole thing?) and
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pass a large data area. In the second case you'd give the offset of
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the job you wanted, and pass a small data area. By passing more than
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one thing in a single system call, you allow the kernel to guarantee
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that you get consistent information, something not possible by reading
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/dev/kmem.
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I think there have been other proposals in the Unix context, e.g.
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/proc. If they also give independence from kernel data structures,
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that's fine with me.
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