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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 93 14:13:06 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #220
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Linux-Activists Digest #220, Volume #6 Sat, 11 Sep 93 14:13:06 EDT
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Contents:
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bug report: ext2 crash (x4) )-8 (Francois-Rene Rideau)
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Linux broke my computer! (manuel Toledo-Quinones)
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Re: WANTED : FTP site for complete Linux package/utilities (KWT Wong)
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A question... (Johan Sultan)
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SLS 1.03 hangs (Raymond Ngai)
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Re: Problems during installation using SLS (Zack Evans)
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Re: BBS package (Datasoft Communications Admin)
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SLIP & Site... (Synthetic Genius)
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Re: UUCP on SLS 1.03 (Matt McLeod)
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Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount (levinson@vax.sonoma.edu)
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Re: FTAPE 0.9.5 problem Please help (levinson@vax.sonoma.edu)
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From: rideau@brick.ens.fr (Francois-Rene Rideau)
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Subject: bug report: ext2 crash (x4) )-8
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 93 00:43:40 GMT
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Hello, everybody. I hereby have a bug report for linux, but
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1) I don't know who to send it to
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2) I'm not sure the bug still exists as I use an old kernel (0.99.9 from
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SLS 1.01)
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So please tell me (by mail) if this bug report was taken into account, or where
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to send it (so next time, I won't use that much bandwidth).
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Here it is:
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As I wrote, I use the Linux 0.99.9 kernel from the SLS 1.01 package, on both
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- a Notebook 3500 486DX/33 portable computer (by NOTEBOOK, a Taiwanese company),
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with a Cirrus Logic GD610 VGA comp. video card (VGA BIOS 3.03 1991), and
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486 DX Modular BIOS v3.20 B 1990 by Award Software, 16 MB RAM, 210 MB IDE disk.
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- an older taiwanese "Pulsar" Amd 386/33 computer (it burnt a Cyrix EM387 chip!)
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AMI BIOS Jan 1989, "Jaguar" motherboard, Trident 8900B (x386 1.2 vga256 doesn't
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work )-8 ) with two IDE HDs, 210 MB and 120 MB.
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(this is for the compatibility list !)
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The problem went from the latest.
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I use the ext2 file system provided with SLS to format two partitions;
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an approx. 110 MB primary partition /dev/hda4 at the end of the first disk and
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an extended 21000 KB partition /dev/hda7 just before it.
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I could have made it one partition, but it would have meant destroying data in
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other extended partition, or modifying the (main&extended) partition tables
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with some disk editor (BTW, is there a good, interactive, native disk editor
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under linux, or must I go on using the Norton Utilities under my dosemu 0.48
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DOS box ?); moreover, I (wrongly) believed two partitions were safer than one,
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as I could then protect data by mounting one of these read-only.
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NOW, I four times crashed both filesystems because of expectedly safe everyday
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commands run as root: cp, tar, chown, mv. What is involved is not of course
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the said commands, but the system calls used by them, and seemingly not
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subject to enough checking when emitted by root. When not root, or with the
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msdos file system (I haven't installed any other fs, and I don't intend to
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install one, then check if I can destroy everything with the same commands...)
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Firstly, I built homedirs for my whole family, with symlinks to my own files
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as a default configuration (as in these days, my configuration files evolved
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very very fast; they still evolve very fast). After having installed manually
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one directory and finding in an uninteresting task, I looked into my manual
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pages (BTW, how do you update the whatis file ? The makewhatis script I found in
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SLS blasted the old whatis, and took into account only X manpages 8-C ), and
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found -d option of the cp -d command to be just what I needed: copy symlinks
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as are. That happy, I wrote << cp -d zap/.* zop >>. It seemed to work well,
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but the . and .. entries of (what I'll here call) zop were destroyed, and when
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reading the partition, the ext2 fs manager started to complain. e2fsck
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reported tenth errors than proved could be handled only by manual interaction,
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because correcting a each bad Inode created a bad directory entry that could be
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repaired only by another e2fsck, and correcting two Inodes at a time hung
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e2fsck; moreover, each Inode had to be corrected once in the bitmap then
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elsewhere (I don't remember, and I don't want to try again !). When I finished
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repairing, mounting/unmounting/rebooting half my homedirs were destroyed, and
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I had to reinstall it all.
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Then I extracted a (huge: 5 MB compressed) xfree 1.3 tar archive on /dev/hda7
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mounted as /home (because v1.3 expectedly provided a vga256 driver for my video
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card); but I never could compile it, as the filesystem proved bad: just a
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(gzip -cd xxx | tar xvf -) command crashed the file system, and not only the
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/home partition. I had to reinstall the whole stuff.
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The same tar xvf as a normal user proved safe.
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Another tar xvf upset my other computer, but some e2fsck'ing could repair it.
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To reinstall my harddisk, I used a script which automatically created dirs,
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unzipped files, and restored access rights from my other computer. BUT, my
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file restore list wasn't fully updated from previous crash, and the /etc/group
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file wasn't restored before the script chown'ed everything. And the whole
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file system was corrupted again.
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Finally, an interpartition mv (as root) destroyed directories in both
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partitions, and there I was.
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Of course, all such operations behave normally on msdos fs or as non-root, so
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I presume it is an ext2 fs kernel bug; but I don't want to try with ext fs or
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minix fs or anything, for I don't have any means to reinstall my HD but (slow)
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diskettes. I couldn't install kernel 0.99.12 yet, but I sure will soon, then
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try on a dummy partition.
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I hope this story won't happen again, for I'm sick with installing SLS again
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and again (and if I want to upgrade my kernel, thus my gcc, and if I also
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want xfree 1.3 and emacs 19, I think I'm in for another SLS installation soon);
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I also hope this message will help the same thing NOT to happen to anyone else
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anymore.
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-- , , _ v ~ ^
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-- Fare -- rideau@clipper.ens.fr -- Francois-Rene Rideau -- +)ang-Vu Ban --
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-- ' / .
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--
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-- , , _ v ~ ^
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-- Fare -- rideau@clipper.ens.fr -- Francois-Rene Rideau -- +)ang-Vu Ban --
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-- ' / .
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From: manuel@engc.bu.edu (manuel Toledo-Quinones)
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Subject: Linux broke my computer!
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Date: 11 Sep 1993 06:03:39 GMT
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Not exactly. I guess that I was the magnificent source of stupidity
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that is neede to mess things so badly!
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I have a problem and I need help. I install linux in my pc a couple
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of days ago. I was using a 340Meg drive to run linux, and keeping my
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80 meg drive, compressed with superstor, running drdos. They were both
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working fine, with no problems out of the ordinary.
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Now, tonight I decided that I needed to decompress my 80 meg hard drive
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to be able to read the data from linux. Superstor, however, do
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not let you just decompress the drive because is the primary dos disk.
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So I tought: o.k., I will re-partition my new 340 meg drive, this time
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with drdos, to create a dos partition, back up my dos drive into my
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340meg h.d., install drdos again in the 80meg drive, and restore the
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data back from the 340meg. I was going to have to run linux 'fdisk. and
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install it again, but I tought it was better to do it earlier than late.
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The plan was simple, but naive! I did not remove the linux partition
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thinking that just running dos 'fdisk' on the drive was going to solve
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the problem. Also I did not remove 'LILO', which was being run
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automatically on boot-up. Now, what happens is that LILO comes up
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when I try rebooting, and the computer, of course, goes crazy if I
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don't stop it from booting the nonexisting linux. I can, however,
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still run dos from drive c.
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I though that just using the bootup floppy created by linux will
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hopefully provide me with a way of removing LILO. But now the floppy drives
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are crazy, and I can not read floppies nor bootup from them! They are not
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totally dead: drive A does a strange noise if I put a f.d. w/o write
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protection. It does not do anything if the disk is write protected. Drive
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B does not seem to be doing anything.
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I will be inmensily greatful if someone can give me a hand with this
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one. Should I just format the 340meg hard drive to see it that removes
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anything that might be left from linux there? Or is LILO somewhere in
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my C drive?
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Again, all help will be greatly appreciated.
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manuel
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From: els413c@fawlty7.eng.monash.edu.au (KWT Wong)
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Subject: Re: WANTED : FTP site for complete Linux package/utilities
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 06:03:39 GMT
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Try monu1@cc.monash.edu.au
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or
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tsx-11.mit.edu
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in the directory /pub/linux or something like that
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Kevin
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From: mnljsn@cs.umu.se (Johan Sultan)
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Subject: A question...
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 11:08:47 GMT
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Hi!
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A friend of mine is trying to install Linux, in one partition, and dos
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on another. Well, the problem seems to be that he is using the Adaptec 1542
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controllercard, and he can't quite get the settings alright. So, if anyone
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has got it to work, please tell me how. (Both hard, and software settings).
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Thanx.
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/mnljsn@cs.umu.se
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(Please respond by email, as i doubt this question is interesting
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for anyone else)
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From: rngai@oracle.com (Raymond Ngai)
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Subject: SLS 1.03 hangs
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 12:06:02 GMT
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My linux system crashed while I was try to gunzip a 34 Meg tar file,
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so I'm trying to start fresh from SLS 1.03
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However, the system hangs while booting disk a1 after the soundcard
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detection and initialization. Does anyone have any idea what might be
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wrong?
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Here my hardware setup:
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486/66 VLB
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2 ide drives on primary controller.
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Ultrastor 34f with a 1.6 G SCSI disk.
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SoundBlaster Pro compatible card.
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Logitech Bus mouse.
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I obtain a bootdisk with a kernel supporting just UltraStor SCSI and
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the problem still persist.
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I have no problem using the prior versions of SLS (short of the
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problem of not recognizing the 34f).
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Any help would be much appreicated. Please direct your reply to my
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e-mail address:
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rngai@oracle.com
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Thanks in advance,
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Ray Ngai
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--
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( Raymond Ngai <rngai@oracle.com> )
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( Senior Applications Engineer 300 Oracle Parkway, #670A )
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( Vertical Applications Division Redwood Shores, CA 94065 )
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( Oracle Corporation (415)506-3385 FAX:506-7262 )
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: zevans@nyx.cs.du.edu (Zack Evans)
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Subject: Re: Problems during installation using SLS
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 93 13:09:27 GMT
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In article <1993Sep11.012843.13918@fcom.cc.utah.edu>,
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travis jensen <jensen@peruvian.cs.utah.edu> wrote:
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>I am in the midst of installing Linux on my 486 system and
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>I run into the following problem:
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>
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>After installing disk a2 of SLS v1.03 without any problems,
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>it dies on a3 and a4 with the following messages:
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>(a3) base stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated
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> tar: unexpected EOF on archive file
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>
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>(a3) comms tar: skipping to next file header
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> stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated
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>
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>(a3) efs2 stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated
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>
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>...(errors given during attempt to install all files on a3)
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>
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>(a4) bin tar: hmm, this doesn't look like a tar archive
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> tar: skipping to next file header
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> stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated
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>...(errors given during attempt to install all files on a4)
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>For specifics, I have a 486dx33 w/a 234 MB IDE HDD and 4 MB RAM.
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>I am installing off of 3.5" floppies. The hard drive is configured
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>as follows: /hda1 is a dos partition of 120MB, /hda2 is an extended
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>2 file system of 110k blocks, /hda3 is a swap partition of 6.5k
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>blocks.
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>I downloaded all of the floppies again, putting them on freshly
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>formated disks, but nothing changed.
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>Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
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>Travis
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>
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>--
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>Travis A. Jensen
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>jensen@peruvian.cs.utah.edu (preferred)
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>jensen@cadehp0.eng.utah.edu (next best)
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>"My elelator! Not your elelator, my elelator!!"--Baby Plucky Duck
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--
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Zack Evans pyc081@cent1.lancs.ac.uk or zevans@nyx.cs.du.edu
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UNIX was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things,
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as that would also stop them from doing clever things.
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From: root@datasoft.north.net (Datasoft Communications Admin)
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Subject: Re: BBS package
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 01:18:45 GMT
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Kristian Koehntopp (kris@black.toppoint.de) wrote:
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: In <26ggf0$c8a@nwfocus.wa.com> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
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: >>How about waffle? See comp.bbs.waffle for details.
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: >A user in waffle would become userid 'bbs' in the shell, unless
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: >a 'wrapper' (setname, in this case) were used.
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: IMHO this is the main structural bug in most "BBS"-setups for
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: UNIX. There you have an operating system that went through
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: great pains to stick an owner-ID to each system object (files,
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: processes, devices and so on) and the first thing a UNIX-BBS
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: does is to put all its users under a single UID. The second
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: thing the BBS does is to duplicate the effort the OS made to
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: seperate the BBS users and their data again - apparently a
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: major braindamage.
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: IMHO a BBS setup for UNIX should consist mainly of two parts.
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: The first is the BBS program in form of a users shell with
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: integrated news and mail users agent. Such a program should
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: utilize native UNIX news and mail transport agents and not try
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: to implement a propietary data format.
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: The second part would be an administrators shell for easy
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: creation and removal of users.
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Egads...someone that agrees with me! I posted thing idea before and
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lots of nice BBS sysadmins trying to tell me to run XYZ BBS software
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which does require a single BBS account. Talk about ludicous.
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If it matters to you or anyone. I am creating a BBS program or, more
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appropriately, a set of BBS like utilities to:
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1) Get the new user information and create the account by logining in
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as new (optional).
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2) Act as the menu system or shell (The PSC Menu I use now has
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limitations) (optional)
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3) Act as a file section shell (Utree is limited in this respect)
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4) Use whatever UNIX mailer an newsreader is available. (I use Elm and
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tin current). Why re-invent the wheel?
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5) All users will have a UNIX account such that accounting can be done
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on the user for time online.
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6) Provide Sysop Tools to manage users (create, delete, validate, etc).
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My first attempt was using bash shell scripts...no C code!
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Alpha releases will be out most likely next month for Linux. Full
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ncurses and color support done in C. If anyone has any good ideas for
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this type of BBS setup, please email me. Flames to /dev/nul.
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Mark
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--
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Mark Buckaway | root@datasoft.north.net | DataSoft Communications
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DataSoft Communications | uunorth!datasoft!root | 62 Rock Fernway
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System Administrator | Voice: +1 416 756 4497 | Willowdale, ON M2J 4N5
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==============================================================================
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"UNIX and OS/2 are operating systems. Windows is a shell, and
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DOS is a boot virus"
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==============================================================================
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From: sg@slip-c13.cis.ufl.edu (Synthetic Genius)
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Subject: SLIP & Site...
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Date: 11 Sep 1993 16:48:08 GMT
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Greetings all, just posting to tell you I think I found out what
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is wrong with my SLIP connection. If you haven't read my previous
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articles, I was getting alot of data fragmentation. I then set the
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MTU to 276, and continued to recieve some [but not nearly as much]
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fragmentation, when accessing specific services. It turns out that
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all the services now that cause fragmentation are UDP protcol services:
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nslookup, archie client, fsp, etc. Anyone have any idea why? Anyway,
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I THINK i've found a solve to the nslookup problem by making the
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nslookup server in resolv.conf one at georgia tech (gatech) rather
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than a local one. We'll see I guess. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Please e-mail replies to jsr@beach.cis.ufl.edu for now, and mail will
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be forwarded to me.
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Also, if your interested in conversing, or just playing around on a Linux
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site, I've been allowing guest connections into my machine for now to
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test it stability, we're usually at slip-c13.cis.ufl.edu [yes, SLIP!]
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or 128.227.224.222: login guest, if you'd like your own account, mail root.
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(Well, its at a friends house, but lets see if it workz!)
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Take it easy...
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sg
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mail to:jsr@beach.cis.ufl.edu
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Thanks.
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From: matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au (Matt McLeod)
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Subject: Re: UUCP on SLS 1.03
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 18:33:17 GMT
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wlim@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Willie Lim) writes:
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>Questions:
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>a) How tightly "hardcoded" is the uucp neighbor "quick" to SLS 1.03?
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It isn't, as far as I know... I found though that the best idea was to
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dump the HDB config files and use the Taylor config files instead. For one
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reason or another this got better results for me. You could use uuconv
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to create basic Taylor configs then place them in /usr/conf/uucp (the files
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concerned should be port, dial and sys), then create a file called 'config'
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which contains the line
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nodename <name of node>
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>b) How fast does the C.* and D.* files get created in the
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> /usr/spool/uucp/hostname directory? I notice that sometimes those
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> files (email addressed to hostname) get created as soon as I "send"
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> them out of the mail program (Emacs rmail mode) but then there are times
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> I notice that the files don't get created that quickly.
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I find that this mostly just depends on how much else is going on at the time.
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On my machine it takes about 30 seconds or so when it is being quick, but
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then my machine is a little underpowered.
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>c) I haven't left my system alone long enough (e.g. for > 24 hours)
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> to see if the UUCP link will "wake" up again. Is the uucico's behavior
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> described in 3 above expected?
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Not that I know of. Although you could try changing the -s to -S. That
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*might* help, but I don't know if uucico creates a .LCK file everytime
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it starts up or only when it actually does a dialout...
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Matt
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--
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Matt McLeod
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Bob-Fearing Freelance Writer
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Subject: Re: Shutdown doesnt unmount
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From: levinson@vax.sonoma.edu
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Date: 11 Sep 93 10:43:31 -0800
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In article <CD46to.J5v@inviso.com>, gilbert@inviso.com (Gilbert Callaghan) writes:
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> In article <1993Sep8.094234.1@vax.sonoma.edu> levinson@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
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>>
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>>Well, I got SLS 1.01, and I have since gone from .99pl9-6 all the way to
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>>.99pl12 without obtaining all of the support files. Like I said, if I use
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>>shutdown now and go single user and type umount -a, it works. If I just use
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>>shutdown -r now it doesnt unmount root.
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>
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> Shutdown runs the script '/etc/brc' which actually does the job of umounting:
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> /etc/brc:
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> #!/bin/sh
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> echo "Unmounting Filesystems"
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> umount -a
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> and make sure it's owned by root with perms 700.
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Thanks for your information, Gilbert. I have had users from all over the world
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telling me I needed utile14, but it has programs in it that are much older than
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the ones I downloaded off of the ftp systems. For example, the shutdown
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command has a date of last year, where the shutdown I got with my SLS package
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is much newer.
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I did create a /etc/brc, but did not set the permissions on it. I will try it
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and get back to you on it.
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>
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> --
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> Gilbert Callaghan
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> gilbert@inviso.com
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--
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Eric Levinson
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rcisnet2!root@moon.nbn.com | Home computer (UUCP)
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levinson@vax.sonoma.edu | Vax
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I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way (415) 883-0696
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Subject: Re: FTAPE 0.9.5 problem Please help
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From: levinson@vax.sonoma.edu
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Date: 11 Sep 93 10:46:30 -0800
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In article <CD304I.C87@uni-essen.de>, nils@hertha.exp-math.uni-essen.de (Nils Rennebarth) writes:
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> levinson@vax.sonoma.edu wrote:
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> : I have ftp'd the .99pl12 kernel source in its entirety and have gotten the
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> : ftape0.9.5. I patched the .99pl12 source and re-built the kernel. On bootup,
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> Get ftape-0.9.6 please.
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>
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> : What is the problem? Am I supposed to have an ftape device in my /dev
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> : directory? I have a Conner Archive 250MQT QIC80 tape drive hooked to my
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> : floppy.
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> Yes. (The documentation is a bit sparse. It's still pre-alpha software,
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> so you should maybe wait a little)
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>
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> Look in the sources for the right major and minor number of the device.
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> (Don't have it handy here, sorry) and use the mknod program to create the
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> device:
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> mknod /dev/ftape c major minor (the c is to be taken literally. It stands
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> for character device. Yes, tapes are character
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> devices)
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> chmod 777 /dev/ftape
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>
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> : Any suggestions?
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>
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> : --
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> : Eric Levinson
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> : rcisnet2!root@moon.nbn.com | Home computer (UUCP)
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> : levinson@vax.sonoma.edu | Vax
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> : I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way (415) 883-0696
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>
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>
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> --
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> neulich im Netz:("uber WABI, Windows emulator auf Sparcs)| Nils Rennebarth
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> Budi Rahardjo | Altenessener Str.93
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> >Sure it is nice, but there are still too many bugs. | 45326 Essen
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> >[...] every session it crashes at least 3 times for me.| 0201/328083
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> Carlo J. Calica | Internet: nils@
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> Hmmm. Sounds like a perfect Windows emulation to me :-).| exp-math.uni-essen.de
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Thanks, I set up the ftape device and all works well. Get the ftape.0.9.6. I
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just got it, and it is nicer.
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--
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Eric Levinson
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rcisnet2!root@moon.nbn.com | Home computer (UUCP)
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levinson@vax.sonoma.edu | Vax
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I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way (415) 883-0696
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