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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:14:38 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #758
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Linux-Misc Digest #758, Volume #2 Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:14:38 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Linux vs NeXTSTEP (Jason V Robertson)
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Re: 320x200 X resolution? (Stephen Collyer)
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Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI v (Martin Sohnius)
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Re: Copyright and licensing - a plea to software authors (Theodore Y. Ts'o)
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[Q] How maintain "console" entry in utmp file?? (Alexander Kourakos)
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alt.games.doom.linux (was Re: What about a votr on comp.os.linux.doom) (Hans Peter Verne)
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Re: Linux DOOM for X released (Greg Harewood)
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Re: unix on a laptop? (Ajay Shah)
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Re: VHDL for Linux...? (Norley Liu)
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Re: DOOM and Linux (Michael_Leonard KOVACEK)
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Re: VHDL for Linux...? (Frederic POTTER)
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Re: unix on a laptop? (Dan Pop)
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RFD: comp.os.linux.help reorganization (Dave Sill)
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Re: Sony MiniDisc (Mark A. Davis)
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Re: The snatchability factor (WordPerfect) (Mark A. Davis)
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From: jr7877@eehpx12 (Jason V Robertson)
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Subject: Re: Linux vs NeXTSTEP
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Date: 13 Sep 1994 23:25:34 GMT
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In article <354vi7$jof@bigfoot.wustl.edu> saied@lando.wustl.edu (S. Hosseini) writes:
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>Hi Linuxers,
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>
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>I know there are lots of Linuxers with high performance PC's, so
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>Given the same high performance PC platform,
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>
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>4. Which one is faster (for the same task) ?
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>
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>5. Which one has a capability that the other doesn't have?
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>
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>6. Which one has better future? (this is a question for discussion
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> and not for a definite answer.)
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>
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Well, I am not a great source since I have only heard about NS. But from
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what I understand you need to redefine "high performance PC" to fit in with
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NeXTSTEP. A high performance Linux station is 486 or above with at least
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8 megs (12 for X?). My understanding is that for NS you need a bare minimum
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of like 32 megs to get anything done. I imagine it is huge, diskwise also.
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I don't think you can use X without buying the software for NS.
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I think NS probably does have better DOS/Windows compatibility, though.
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Linux is only starting to get these.
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Also, I don't think NS has any real future. It is just too big and clumsy.
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--
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Email: jroberts@uiuc.edu
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Ph or finger jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu for PGP public key.
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(Like I actually need one).
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From: stephen@dogmatix.inmos.co.uk (Stephen Collyer)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
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Subject: Re: 320x200 X resolution?
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 13:00:56 GMT
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|> Orest Zborowski (orestz@eskimo.com) wrote:
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|>
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|> : For running DOOM, I use the XF86_SVGA server and chipset "generic"
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|> : with a stock VGA 320x200 modes line:
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|> : "320x200" 25 320 344 376 400 200 204 206 225
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|>
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|> : You can simply run the server, without any clients, and start linuxxdoom
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|> : on a VT. Looks very nice!
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I don't see how these values work. With a 25 MHz clock, with total V. lines =
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400, and total H. lines 225, we're looking at a refresh rate of roughly
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25E6 / (400 x 1.1 x 225 x 1.05) = 240
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This is way above the spec of any monitor I'm familiar with. Or am I missing
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something obvious ?
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Steve Collyer.
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
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From: msohnius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius)
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Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (was Re: WABI v
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 14:15:07 GMT
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Mark A. Horton KA4YBR (mah@ka4ybr.com) wrote:
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: Mark A. Davis (mark@taylor.infi.net) wrote:
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: : Again, there is no need for a Linux version of WP. The SCO version runs
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: : fine.... pester them for official support of running the SCO version
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: : under Linux IBCS/COFF (which is a possibility); don't bother worrying
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: : about a native Linux version because it WILL NOT HAPPEN.
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: I agree with Mr. Davis here. It also brings up a rather interesting copyright
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: and (patent?) issue which could prove interesting to explore. Since the
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: product is not supported by WP corporation in the target environment, should
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: one purchase such a product and then manage to "make it work" through the
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: addition of software in no way connected with the original work (i.e. the
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: IBCS/COFF support) could the purchaser then return the purchased product for
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: a refund due to "lack of suitability" to the purchaser's environment and yet
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: still continue to use the "assisted" product which the vendor choses not
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: to support? Is this piracy? The product is not running in any "supported"
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: or even officially "sanctioned" environment and is thus unusable and
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: ineligible for support which is a factor in the purchase price of the said
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: product.
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: I certainly am no legal beagle, however it seems to me that by choosing the
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: path of non-support for a given environment that its software can be made to
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: run in (with additional non-vendor enhancements) that a company just might
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: be abdicating its rights to copyright protection in said environment.
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I would disagree with this conclusion (but then, I would, wouldn't I?).
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Assume Ferrari decided not to sell their cars in Greenland. Does that then
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mean you have the right to steal it, put studded tyres onto it, and claim
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to own it, just because you happen to drive it in Greenland only?
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Of course, anyone else would be free to buy a Ferrari, put studded tyres on,
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and then resell it in Greenland. (I.e. anyone may offer to support SCO WP
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in the Linux environment.)
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--
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+--------------------------------------------+
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Martin Sohnius | "It doesn't matter whether the cat is |
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Novell Labs Europe | black or white, as long as it catches |
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Bracknell, England | mice." - Deng Xiaoping |
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+44-1344-724031 +--------------------------------------------+
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(I speak for myself, not for Novell or anyone else.)
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From: tytso@athena.mit.edu (Theodore Y. Ts'o)
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Subject: Re: Copyright and licensing - a plea to software authors
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 15:41:10 GMT
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In article <1994Sep10.005947.4890.chiark.ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu> iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) writes:
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>I AM ABSOLUTELY LIVID. FURIOUS DOESN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DESCRIBE IT.
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>Firstly, because Ted Ts'o has joined in with the ignorant flamers. He
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>himself has stooped to spreading the Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt that
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>he claims he finds so harmful.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. But your posting was simply inaccurate
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regarding the issue of interface copyright. It is a fact that Stallman
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stomped on a source distribution of PGP that merely contained #ifdef's
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so that it could be potentially linked with the gmp library, which was
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protected by the GPL. Sure, Stallman and the FSF couched it in very
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legalistic terms, and then justified the means with the ends ("Free
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Software is Good, so what we did is O.K."). But that's not any
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different from what Lotus did when they tried to use Copyright to
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protect their user interface. It was the same sort of legal mumbo-jumbo
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that led to the same sort of result --- a restriction of who can write
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independent programs that implement or use a particular interface,
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whether that be a UI or an API.
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I am very saddened by the FSF's decision to use this very broad
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interpretation of the GPL. I engaged in several e-mail messages
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debating this issue with Stallman, over a year ago, when the PGP/gmp
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issue came up, and he would not be moved. He believes he is right, and
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he is entitled to that belief.
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However, my sadness does not extend to trying to ignore the situation
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for what it is. I will not sweep this situation under the rug. People
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are entitled to know *all* of the issues of the GPL, both its good side
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and its shadow side.
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However, I would like to reassure people that this has not prevented me
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from writing and releasing things that fall under the GPL. I've written
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several programs which I've released under the GPL, and I encourage
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others to do so. However, I would have to think twice before deciding
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to release the ownership of any significant amount of code to the FSF,
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because of their interpretation of the GPL. As long as I own the
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copyright, I get to control how the GPL is interpreted, and I have
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lattitude over granting exceptions to the GPL as I see fit. If I sign
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my code over to the FSF, I lose this control, and right now, I don't
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trust the FSF enough to do that. They have too much of a political
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agenda which they are trying to push.
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Every author has the right to make this decision for him or herself. I
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don't say that my views are the only right one. However, I believe that
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everyone is entitled to all of the facts, and you, Ian, did not include
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all of those facts in an attempt to "reassure" people.
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I believe the cause of free software is best furthered by putting the
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truth --- the whole truth --- on the table, and letting the chips fall
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where they may.
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- Ted
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From: awk@char.vnet.net (Alexander Kourakos)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.windows.x.i386unix
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Subject: [Q] How maintain "console" entry in utmp file??
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Date: 12 Sep 1994 23:58:29 -0400
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I don't know if this question has been brought up before or not...I
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would think it has...
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I wrote a small program to place "console" logins (from XDM) into
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the utmp, wtmp, and lastlog files.
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However, at random times, some program eats the utmp entry. I think
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it's getty, but I'm not sure. (I run getty so my roomate can log in on
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ttyS1).
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This is on Linux 1.1.x, with XFree86.
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Right now, "w" says this:
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11:55pm up 5:48, 4 users, load average: 0.47, 0.13, 0.18
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User tty from login@ idle JCPU PCPU what
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awk ttyp0 :0.0 11:55pm 1 w
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awk ttyp1 :0.0 11:16pm 4 telnet vnet.net
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sbolish ttyS1 8:19pm 1 pine
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awk console 9:33pm 2:22 -
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After my roommate logs out, the "console" line disappears. Can
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anybody give some pointers? I can most likely fix the problem if I
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knew what program is doing this.
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Somebody must have this functionality working on there Linux X
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box...
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Thanks....
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awk
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--
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Alexander Kourakos
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awk@vt.edu
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From: hpv@lynx.uio.no (Hans Peter Verne)
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Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
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Subject: alt.games.doom.linux (was Re: What about a votr on comp.os.linux.doom)
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 14:46:48 GMT
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In article <943845342.38224868@muucpgw.magnet.at> marks-schooner.sys.hou.compaq.com,Internet_(m)@magnet.at (marks@schooner.sys.hou.compaq.com,Internet (m)) writes:
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Matthew Grant (grantma@ritz.equinox.gen.nz) wrote:
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: The New NOISE has started. We are about to be invaded by " How do you do
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: XXX with Doom?".
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: Lets control the flood and get it out of the road before it starts!
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You have my vote. Or maybe they should start using alt.games.doom.
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The problem is that alt.games.doom is very crowded and noisy, with tons of
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post about satanism, what is your favorite level or weapon and such...
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The questions that are more specific to the linux port tends to drown
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in there.
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Also, linux-wizards that could be helpful might not read a.g.d. , and
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DOOM-wizards might not read c.o.l.[mh] :-) As it is, I cross-post...
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I would rather suggest a alt.games.doom.linux group, doom-questions have
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nothing to do in the comp-hierarchy....
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Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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ObDOOM : bang...
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Regards,
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--
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Hans Peter Verne ( hpv@kelvin.uio.no ) Phone: (+47)-22855414
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Dept. of Chemistry, University of Oslo. FAX (+47)-22855441
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`It would seem that you have no useful skill or talent whatsoever,
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have you thought of going into teaching?' -- Terry Pratchett, "Mort"
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From: gjh@ukc.ac.uk (Greg Harewood)
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Subject: Re: Linux DOOM for X released
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:54:07 GMT
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Reply-To: gjh@ukc.ac.uk (Greg Harewood)
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In article <350849INN7ol@cs.utk.edu>,
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Michael Peek <peek@duncan.cs.utk.edu> wrote:
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>David Taylor (ddt@idcube.idsoftware.com) wrote:
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>: DOOM v1.666 for Linux using X is available at:
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>I wonder: If this is a specific Linux port, and no other ports are in the
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>works, it seems to me that the program would pick up a lot of speed if it
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>used the SVGALIB routines. It sure would be easier to see!
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As we all know, Linux is the OS. X is not unix.
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However...
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I for one would feel cheated if all my applications didn't work under X.
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X is the front end that allows me to make use of multi-tasking, and it's
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what gives credibility when you are trying to convince people that you
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don't need MS-Windows, because Linux is better.
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Digging up an old thread, the only way I would like to be using SVGALIB
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applications on a regular basis is this - the SVGALIB and a suitable
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window manager/X patches allowed you to flip between full screen and X
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windowed versions of SVGA programs. And it would be nice if the X versions
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were portable.
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It all comes down to whether we are trying to make Linux the world beating
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OS, or Unix in general. You'll get a lot more software for free if we are
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talking Unix.
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Greg
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (Ajay Shah)
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Subject: Re: unix on a laptop?
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 12:28:05 GMT
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bmouncer@news.delphi.com (BMOUNCER@DELPHI.COM) writes:
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>Hi I would like to know what it would take to run unix on a laptop.
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>some thing like 386bsd or linux.
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I live on:
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Compaq Contura 4/25 with 12M RAM and 120M disk.
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Viva pocket fax 14.4k
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12M is great for running emacs, make and gcc all at once :-).
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I don't run X. Partly I don't feel like, and partly I have better
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things to do with that disk space (like tex).
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I am on Linux (Slackware 2.0).
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It works like a charm. I have duplicated my entire work environment
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on a Sun on the notebook. When I landup at work I plug in a null
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modem cable from the comport on the notebook into the serial port of
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the SS5, this gives me a 38400 baud line. Right now I do dialup
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login, but I'll soon have SLIP running.
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I have a dlink parallel port ethernet adapter but it doesn't quite
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work for me. Besides, I have only one 10baseT in my office and
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it'd be a pain shuffling that between the Sun and the notebook.
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So 38.4k serial port instead of 115k parallel port is fine.
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-ans.
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--
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==============================================================================
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Ajay Shah Work: 91-22-4300531
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Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay Fax: 91-22-4370558
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ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in Home: 91-22-6420584
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From: nliu@tidmmpl.csc.ti.com (Norley Liu)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.lsi.cad,comp.lang.vhdl
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Subject: Re: VHDL for Linux...?
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 14:07:14 GMT
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In article <355pp0$64n@mercury.mcs.com>, Don Hiatt <hiattd@MCS.COM> wrote:
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>ADA (ada@nic.cerf.net) wrote:
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>
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>Yes there is. Get the Alliance-2.0 package. You can ftp the source
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>from: ftp.ibp.fr
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>You will find it in /ibp/softs/masi/alliance
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>
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>Alliance is aimed at VLSI synthesis but if that is not your goal
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>you can still use the VHDL simulator.. BTW, it is a great package.
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>
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>don
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Alliance covers so small subset of VHDL that it is virtually useless in
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term of doing design using Alliance. It may be a great tool to learn the VLSI
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design-synthesis-layout-verification flow, but definitely not a VHDL
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tool for design, IMHO.
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Let me tell you what you can do in Alliance: Boolean functions,
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flip flops, muxes. That is all. No conditional statement (like if...then),
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no sequential statement (like process), no file I/O (so don't expect to
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create test bench), and no arithmatic operations (like + - * /).
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Overall, you can not do behavioral modeling in Alliance.
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Worset of all, all files in document directory were empty.
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I wish I was wrong. Using Alliance would save me $3K to buy Model
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Tech's package. Again, it totally depends on what you are expecting out
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of Alliance. In term of a design modeling, I suggest you stay away
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from Alliance.
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Albert
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Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
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From: mlk@ecr.mu.oz.au (Michael_Leonard KOVACEK)
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Subject: Re: DOOM and Linux
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 23:24:41 GMT
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In article <MIGUEL.94Sep12114620@sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx>, miguel@sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx (Miguel de Icaza) writes:
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> > Gee, even though the README says "no bug reports," does anyone think iD
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> > can be convinced to fix this?
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>
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> Maybe if they receive lots of request for registering Doom/Linux, they
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> will enhance the product.
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Another pointer, if they setup some way to indicate which copies of Doom
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were being purchased with linux Doom in mind, then we could show them how many
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of us there are willing to pay for Doom..
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A simple check box on the registration mail-back form would do..
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Michael
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From: frederic@swing.ibp.fr (Frederic POTTER)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.lsi.cad,comp.lang.vhdl
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Subject: Re: VHDL for Linux...?
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 13:22:11 GMT
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And don't forget about the complete ALLIANCE tools
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VHDL, logic synthesis, router, layout editor, layout extraction
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etc.....
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just go at ftp.ibp.fr ( alliance sub-directory ) and get
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or the sources, or the linux binaries for FREE..
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
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Subject: Re: unix on a laptop?
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:42:50 GMT
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In <Cw4DAt.9Aw@cmie.ernet.in> ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (Ajay Shah) writes:
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>I have a dlink parallel port ethernet adapter but it doesn't quite
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>work for me. Besides, I have only one 10baseT in my office and
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>it'd be a pain shuffling that between the Sun and the notebook.
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>So 38.4k serial port instead of 115k parallel port is fine.
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Except that 38.4 is kbit/s (actually less, because of the overhead of
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start/stop bits) and 115 is kbyte/s :-)
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So, the difference is more than one order of magnitude. But if it's fine
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for you...
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Dan
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Dan Pop
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CERN, CN Division
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Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
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Mail: CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
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From: Dave Sill <de5@de5.CTD.ORNL.GOV>
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Crossposted-To: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.announce
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Subject: RFD: comp.os.linux.help reorganization
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 13:30:45 -0400
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I recently conducted a straw poll in comp.os.linux.help regarding splitting
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that group. As a result of that poll, I've decided to propose the
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following:
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1) Create comp.os.linux.help.hardware
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2) Create comp.os.linux.help.software
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3) Create comp.os.linux.help.video
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4) Create comp.os.linux.help.misc (comp.os.linux.help to be deleted)
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5) Create comp.os.linux.answers
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From my article summarizing the poll results:
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I received a total of 49 votes: 46 FOR, 3 AGAINST. (A list of the e-mail
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addresses is at the end of this article) [deleted]
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There is clear support for a split of comp.os.linux.help along these lines.
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Among the comments received were suggestions for further splits of
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c.o.l.help and the creation of other Linux-related groups. (Complete
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summary of responses available upon request.) Based upon these comments,
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I'll be proposing the following comp.os.linux.* re-organization:
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1. Replace comp.os.linux.help with:
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comp.os.linux.help.hardware
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For help with questions or problems specific to a particular
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piece of hardware.
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comp.os.linux.help.software
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For help with questions or problems not specific to a particular
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piece of hardware.
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comp.os.linux.help.video
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For help with questions or problems relating to video hardware
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or software. I know this wasn't part of the original straw
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poll, and that comp.windows.x.i386 ought to be used, but many
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newbies don't know about c.w.x.i.
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comp.os.linux.help.misc
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For help with questions or problems that don't fit in any of the
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other help categories, e.g., if yoy don't know whether it's a
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hardware or software question.
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2. Create:
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comp.os.linux.answers
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For posting Linux FAQs and How-To's. This will help keep the
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traffic down in the c.o.l.help.* groups--only a single "Read
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before posting"-type message will be required.
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Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)
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Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Workstation Support
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URL http://www.digital.com/info/dsill.html
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From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
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Subject: Re: Sony MiniDisc
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 21:05:13 GMT
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Alberto Vignani <a.vignani@CRFV3.CRF.IT> writes:
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>Does anybody have some info about the new Sony MiniDiscs (or whatever they
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>are called)? I heard they will be 340MB magneto-optical R/W 2.5" discs
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>costing less than 10$ apiece; the controller will be also very low-cost
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>(400$?), maybe with floppy interface, maybe IDE.
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>They are supposed to come in volume before the end of the year.
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>I'm curious to know if someone heard the same rumors, and/or knows if and
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>when this media will be supported by Linux.
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Sounds interesting.... too bad people can't forget about braindead IDE
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and stick with SCSI, though.
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I would interested in any such information also!
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/--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
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| Mark A. Davis | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk,VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
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| Director/SysAdmin | Information Systems | mark@taylor.infi.net |
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
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From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
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Subject: Re: The snatchability factor (WordPerfect)
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 21:07:21 GMT
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rwyble@alcm.org (Richard J. Wyble) writes:
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>In article <3548li$2on@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> stolz@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Eckehard Stolz) writes:
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>>- I would love to see WP for Linux at a reasonable price
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>"Reasonable" is a relative term which everyone must interpret for their
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>situation.
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Very true.
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>We purchased WordPerfect (SCO Unix version5.1) from WordPerfect for $99 U.S.
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>dollars earlier this year. This is a single-user license and the price is
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>based upon already owning version 5.1 for other platforms. This appears a
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>most reasonable price.
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Indeed it is reasonable- but it is not really a puchase, but an upgrade.
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Still, I don't think $299 or less is all that bad for a powerful and
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feature packed word processor.
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| Mark A. Davis | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk,VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
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| Director/SysAdmin | Information Systems | mark@taylor.infi.net |
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