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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 16:13:23 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #838
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Linux-Misc Digest #838, Volume #2 Wed, 28 Sep 94 16:13:23 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. ("Jack Y. Duan")
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Re: Emacs & latex for thesis (Vince Giambalvo)
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Re: Where is Mosaic for Term? (Patrick Reijnen)
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Re: QNX, Linux, or 386BSD? (Michael S. Scheidell)
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Re: Emacs & latex for thesis (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
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Re: New Linux Distribution (Erik Troan)
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Re: QNX, Linux, or 386BSD? (Tom Barringer)
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RAMDISK problem with new Slackware rootdisk (Torben N. Rasmussen)
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Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Alexander Bottema)
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Problem building 1.1.50 w/ math emulation (Marc Ewing)
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Re: Assembler for LINUX??? (Alexander Bottema)
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Hmmm (Chris)
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From: "Jack Y. Duan" <jduan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
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Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 13:07:56 -0500
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Indies are great machines when doing graphics...I think somebody
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has posted a Very LOW end indy vhint to this thread...the
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following the the Indy R4000 we have here at Indiana University
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for public use:
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1 100 MHZ IP22 Processor
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FPU: MIPS R4010 Floating Point Chip Revision: 0.0
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CPU: MIPS R4000 Processor Chip Revision: 3.0
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On-board serial ports: 2
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On-board bi-directional parallel port
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Data cache size: 8 Kbytes
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Instruction cache size: 8 Kbytes Secondary
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unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte
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Main memory size: 64 Mbytes
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Iris Audio Processor: version A2
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revision 4.1.0
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Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1 CDROM: unit 4 on SCSI
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controller 0 Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 Integral SCSI
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controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision D
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Graphics board: Indy 24-bit
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Vino video: unit 0, revision 0, Indycam
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notice the 2nd cache is 1mb!!! and 24-bit color is very good and by
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God I can tell it is faster than a P5-90...just look at how fast it
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can animate a 3-d object full-screen. However, it cost a lot
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my than a P5...
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and the following is a Indy2...
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1 150 MHZ IP22 Processor
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FPU: MIPS R4010 Floating Point Chip Revision: 0.0
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CPU: MIPS R4400 Processor Chip Revision: 5.0
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On-board serial ports: 2
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On-board bi-directional parallel port
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Data cache size: 16 Kbytes
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Instruction cache size: 16 Kbytes
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Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte
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Main memory size: 32 Mbytes
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EISA bus: adapter 0
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Iris Audio Processor: version A2 revision 1.1.0
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Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1
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Integral SCSI controller 1: Version WD33C93B, revision D
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Tape drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0:
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DAT Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI
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controller 0
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Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision D
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Graphics board:
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GR3-XZ Indigo2 video: unit 0, revision 3
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It is even faster, much faster than the Indy R4000 (faster XZ
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Graphics board and R4400 150Mhz CPU, but it only has
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32mb RAM)...it cost about $20,000 and will be used as a
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video production workstation, ie, hook up with a high-end VCR
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and make movies...etc.
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I like to use Indies, but if I were going to buy a computer
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for personal use, I'd go for a P-5...after all, I am not
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a rich professor :-)
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Jack
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****************
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Jack Duan
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SUN station address:
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jduan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu
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InterNet address:
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From: vince@vince.math.uconn.edu (Vince Giambalvo)
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Subject: Re: Emacs & latex for thesis
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 13:42:49 GMT
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>From: djohnson@seuss.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
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>Subject: Re: Emacs & latex for thesis
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>Date: 27 Sep 1994 19:26:49 GMT
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>>:: The real question is: Why would you want to write a
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>>THESIS on emacs and latex?
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>> LaTeX also does a far better job of typsetting (especially math stuff)
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>> than any of the WYSIWYG packages that I've tried. Most of the WYSIWYG
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>> stuff I've tried doesn't even support ligatures.
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It does look pretty, but a much better reason:
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>LaTeX does automatic reference citation and links in with
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>your bibliography database. Very few other packages do that
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>(I think scribe does). This is VITAL for a thesis!
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>It also automatically keeps numbers straight if you move stuff
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>around, so that you can refer to a certain section without
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>knowing what page it is on, and so forth (a few others do this,
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>but it's still relatively rare).
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This is really vital in our work. All our (students) theses are now
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being done in LaTeX, and most of the scientific writing. But it is
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the capabilities, not the fact that I use it that makes it worth
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using. (I wrote my these B.T. and used an organic word processor. It
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is much easier, although it eliminates a lot of revision
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possibilities).
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If your word processor can do the following, it is at least excellent
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if you can use it.
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1. Generate all the fonts and symbols that you need.
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2. Keep track of references and citations, so that adding a
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bibliography item "Arand" doesn't require manually updating almost
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every citation.
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3. Keep track of section numbers, theorem numbers, etc, so that
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changes can be done automatically.
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4. Do all the formating that you want/need. (For theses, most graduate
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schools have a specific form that MUST be followed.)
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5. Produce files that can be sent to others -- best via e-mail or ftp.
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(Then they have to pay for the paper.) and allow distribution. The AMS
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has set up a preprint distribution system, and there are other systems
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as well, and they require some sort of standard that satisfies at
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least 1 above.
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Note: The requirements of 1 above vary greatly from field to field. I
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would suspect that English requires less symbols that Mathematics, for
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example.
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Enough, not really appropriate to this newsgroup anyway.
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From: patrickr@cs.kun.nl (Patrick Reijnen)
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Subject: Re: Where is Mosaic for Term?
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:43:57 GMT
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In <colinsCwpw2M.MLo@netcom.com> colins@netcom.com (Colin Smith) writes:
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>Travis L. Cobbs (tcobbs@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu) wrote:
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>: I imagine this has been asked before, but the faq for this group isn't on my
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>: server at the moment, and I just started reading it. I've seen various references
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>: to people using Mosaic for Term, but I haven't seen anyone say where it can be
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>: found. Where is it locate? (Preferably via FTP.)
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>: --Travis Cobbs
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>: tcobbs@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu
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>Travis,
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>Try sunsite.unc.edu or one of the mirrors sites. I believe there is a
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>new version, 2.4.2, on that site.
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sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/system/Network/info-systems
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>Regards,
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>Colin Smith......Atlanta, GA
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>colins@netcom.com
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>--
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>Colin Smith......Atlanta, GA
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>colins@netcom.com
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PAtrick REijnen
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--
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************************* Patrick Reijnen *************************
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* Department of Computer Science, Catholic University of Nijmegen *
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* Email: patrickr@{sci,cs}.kun.nl *
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* WWW: http://{atlas,zeus}.cs.kun.nl:4080/homepage.html *
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From: scheidel@gate.net (Michael S. Scheidell)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.os.386bsd.misc
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Subject: Re: QNX, Linux, or 386BSD?
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 14:52:35 GMT
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Po-Han Lin (plin@girtab.usc.edu) wrote:
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: If one has a pc compatible with a 486, which OS is the best unix
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: operating system? QNX, Linux, or 386BSD?
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WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FLAME BAIT. THIS IS CROSS POSTED TO comp.os.linux.misc,comp,os.qnx,
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and comp.os.386bsd.misc
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IF YOU WISH TO REPLY.... ERASE THE GROUPS YOU DON'T WANT TO POST TO!
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--
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Michael S. Scheidell Florida Datamation, Inc.
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scheidel@gate.net (407) 241-2966
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Distributers of QNX Real Time OS Products (finger for more info)
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From: michaelb@hobbie.bocaraton.ibm.com (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
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Subject: Re: Emacs & latex for thesis
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:30:21 GMT
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Jin S. Choi (jsc@gwar.mit.edu) wrote:
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: In article <35r1n8$8e5@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> jnipp@unix.cc.emory.edu (Jeffrey Nipp) writes:
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: The real question is: Why would you want to write a THESIS on emax and
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: latex? There are many comercial products which are much better suited to
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: that particular task which will run native under OS/2 or in a dos or
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: windows box under OS/2 and give much better performance than the unix
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: programs you mention.
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: I apologize for discussing something unrelated to Linux, but I thought
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: I'd make a comment here. You make a point about not using untested
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: software in mission critical applications, and how commercial
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: applications are so much better suited to writing theses.
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: I disagree. In the longer document forms, TeX and LaTeX are among the
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: more popular systems for technical writing (including theses). LaTeX
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: is perhaps a bit harder to learn than a commercial WYSIWYG word
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: processor, but its flexibility is very great. If your needs aren't
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: that great, you might be able to get most of what you want out of a
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: commercial word processor, but the requirements of long documents are
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: often different than those of smaller papers. It would suck to get
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: most of the way through and then realize that you can't do something.
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: I agree that you don't want to use untried applications in mission
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: critical tasks. However, virtually *all* theses at MIT are written in
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: LaTeX. That must count for something.
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An I'm sure many of the papers/books are also written in Tex/LaTeX. This is
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true of many, many CS departments aroung the country. This is how/why I
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happened to learn it and why many others have as well.
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--
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==========All Opinions Expressed are MINE, not IBM's==============
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Michael Rogero Brown (*IX System Administrator)
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IBM (uK Development) TEL/TIE (407) 443-6400
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Boca Raton, FL Internet: mikal@bocaraton.ibm.com
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If you think I speak for IBM, then I've got some swamp land^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
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real estate to sell you.
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GCM/CS d-- h-- s g+ p1 au a w+ v C++$ UA++++$ US+ UH+ P+>++ L>++ 3 N(+++) K
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W--- M-- V>-- -p+ Y+ t 5++ j(++) r !G v+ b+++ !D b--- e+++ u+ h+ f !r n x?
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From: ewt@bittyblue.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 13:49:24 GMT
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In article <36ber3$4ht@gandalf.rutgers.edu>,
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Juana Moreno <madrid@gandalf.rutgers.edu> wrote:
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>the book "Unix in a Nutshell" but much shorter. A possible title could be
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>"Unix (Linux) in a Pinhead: an introduccion to Unix for Dos users" (grin).
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How about "Linux FOR a Pinhead"? This is a truly horrible idea. Read below
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for reasons why. I hope you didn't mean this as a joke btw. Maybe I'm
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just being humoured impaired this morning.
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> - Defaults to SINGLE USER mode. No need to show the complications
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> of multiuser accounts to newbies who will likely use it
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> personally.
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Sure. Why not give them a crippled Linux system to replace their crippled
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DOS system. Multiuser account have purposes - like preventing newbies
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from doing "rm /dev/*". If they can't understand multiple account, they
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shouldn't be using Linux (or Unix, VMS, WinNT, Novell, ...).
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> - Only one shell: bash, with lots of aliases that match as closely
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> as possible the COMMAND.COM commands and the utilities in
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> the DOS directory. Maybe it won't be very difficult to
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> include a .BAT->.sh translator.
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Good idea - that way they won't have to learn Unix. Of course, without
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tcsh, many scripts they get off the net won't work. But they won't know
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how to install them anyway, right? Command.com is terrible - even DOS
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users who have never touched Unix hate it (I always did). The shell is
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one of Unix's wins - don't hide it.
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> - Only enough utilities to match the functionality of the DOS
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> standard utilities plus the major unix winners like
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> grep, awk and sed. (But not vi or emacs!!!).
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But people don't like the functionality of DOS. They want more.
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> - NO NETWORKING, except for maybe a terminal program (minicom) and
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> a mostly configured SLIP (client side only). In that case,
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> maybe Mosaic should be also included.
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But Networking is small and simple to not install. If you leave it out,
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then we won't be a real Unix. I can't wait to read the reviews of Unix
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tcp/ip unbundled.
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> -NO SCSI. Most home dos-win users don't even know what SCSI is.
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My brother has SCSI and he runs Windows. I know tons of dedicated OS/2
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users with SCSI. With PCI, SCSI is becoming more and more popular.
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> -XFree 3.1 configured to use the VGA16 server (mono or color) with
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> a generic (low resolution) Xconfig.
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Good idea. We'll replace their optimized Windows driver with a slow 640x480
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X server. That'll make a good impression.
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> - Only one window manager: FVWM
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Hope they like it.
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> - No developing tools.
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This is Unix you said? I don't believe you.
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> - The binaries should fit (gzipped) in 10 1.44 floppies.
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Have you seen MCC+TinyX? It has Networking, etc. in less disks then that.
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>The idea is that this will not be the final Linux distribution that
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>the users will have, but only a "transitional" distribution that lets
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>them get the feeling of the power of Linux in an environment as much familiar
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>to them as possible. Therefore, the distribution will be compatible with
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>Slackware "packages", so that an upgrade (when the fear is left behind) will
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>be very smooth.
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Why would people want to use it? What extra functionality will they have
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when they can't:
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1) Use virtual consoles
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2) Network
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3) Compile
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4) Do cool pipes
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5) Make X perform decently
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This would be a highly crippled Linux distribution. I can't imagine how
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this would convince a DOS/Windows user that Linux was a good thing.
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They'd take one look at it and laugh all the way home. You have to give
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people a reason to give up there nice safe Microsoft-approved world. You've
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removed all of the best reasons.
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Erik
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============================================================================
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"Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess
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Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt
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From: tomb@bedford.progress.COM (Tom Barringer)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.os.386bsd.misc
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Subject: Re: QNX, Linux, or 386BSD?
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 15:31:00 GMT
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Reply-To: tomb@progress.com
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Po-Han Lin (plin@girtab.usc.edu) wrote:
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: If one has a pc compatible with a 486, which OS is the best unix
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: operating system? QNX, Linux, or 386BSD?
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In article <36995m$33g@giga.bga.com>, wan@bga.com (WAN) replies:
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> On this forum, comp.os.qnx, QNX!
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On this newsgroup, comp.os.linux.*, Linux!
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;)
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--
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Tom Barringer : Progress Software Corp. : The Tall Conspiracy is looking
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QA Development : 14 Oak Park : for members. Please see the
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tomb@progress.com : Bedford, MA 01730 : recruitment flyer posted on
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GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> : the top of your refrigerator.
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HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"
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From: tnr@csd.cri.dk (Torben N. Rasmussen)
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Subject: RAMDISK problem with new Slackware rootdisk
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 07:32:18 GMT
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I have built a new kernel and put it on a 'bare' Slackware 2.0.1 root floppy as
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described in the Slackware FAQ. But when I boot, I get the following message:
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RAMDISK: 1474560 bytes, starting at 0x1c4ab6
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floppy: disk absent or changed during operation
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floppy I/O error
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dev 021C, sector 2
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RAMDISK: I/O error while looking for super block!
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VFS: Insert root floppy and press ENTER
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The root disk is not loaded into the ramdisk, but continues to run off the
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floppy disk. Fortunately I am installing from SCSI tape, but I am not able
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to write the tape index on a floppy.
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The original boot floppy worked allright.
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Does anyone have any ideas of what the above message means.
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Torben N. Rasmussen
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+--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
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| Torben N. Rasmussen | email tnr@csd.cri.dk |
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| Computer Resources International A/S | phone +45 45 82 21 00 ext. 3139|
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| Bregnerodvej 144 | direct dial +45 45 82 22 66 + 3139 |
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| DK-3460 Birkerod, Denmark | fax +45 45 82 01 22 |
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+--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
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--
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Torben N. Rasmussen
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+--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
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| Torben N. Rasmussen | email tnr@csd.cri.dk |
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| Computer Resources International A/S | phone +45 45 82 21 00 ext. 3139|
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| Bregnerodvej 144 | direct dial +45 45 82 22 66 + 3139 |
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| DK-3460 Birkerod, Denmark | fax +45 45 82 01 22 |
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From: d91a1bo@meryl.csd.uu.se (Alexander Bottema)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 14:01:16 GMT
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>> Windows durability is about 2 hours.. (The time between reboots.)
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>> I guess MS-DOS is quite durable, but ohh so limited in its
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>> capabilities.
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Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) writes:
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> In a development environment (Borland C++ 4.02), it's more like 15 minutes.
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I've always wondered why security is a less important issue among the
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industry and the masses? Is it acceptable that you actually have to
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REBOOT your computer? Is it acceptable that the operating system can
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potentionally crash due to an error in an application? People must be
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smarter than that? Or aren't they? Are they simply paralyzed by the
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shaded buttons and the fancy icons?
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--
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Alexander Jean-Claude Bottema, Email: d91a1bo@meryl.csd.uu.se
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University of Uppsala, Computing Science Department.
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#include <stddisclaim.h> LINUX,GCC,Eiffel,Haskell,ML,CAML-light,Prolog
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From: marc@redhat.com (Marc Ewing)
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Subject: Problem building 1.1.50 w/ math emulation
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 00:01:16 -0400
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In compiling 1.1.50 with FPU emulation turned on (somthing I don't
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normally do) the build fails on drivers/FPU-emu/poly_atan.c:
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gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src2/kernel/linux-1.1.50/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -m486 -DPARANOID -fno-builtin -c poly_atan.c
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{standard input}: Assembler messages:
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{standard input}:266: Error: Unimplemented segment type 54002 in parse_operand
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I did the above with a `-S' in place of `-c' and found the offending line to
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be:
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jnc 0f;
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Assuming that 0f was being treated as octal by the assembler, but is supposed
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to be hex, I changed it to `jnc 0xf;' and it assembled fine. I'm not sure if
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what I did is actually correct.
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If I compile without optimization (no -O2) it works fine - no `jnc 0f' is
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generated.
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Has anyone seen an error of this sort? I'm using gcc 2.5.6 and gas 2.3.
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Thanks,
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Marc
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From: d91a1bo@meryl.csd.uu.se (Alexander Bottema)
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Subject: Re: Assembler for LINUX???
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 14:08:52 GMT
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Joan writes:
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> Does anyone know if there is any assembler available for linux? Something like
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> Macro Assembler? Thanks!
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gcc foo.S
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Use preprocessing tools (e.g. #define in the C preprocessor) to obtain
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"macros". Use "0b, 0f, 1b, 1f" etc. instead of local jumps within
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#defines.
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If you'd like you can check my Apple II+ emulator that I wrote for
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Linux. A large part is written in AT&T assembler using preprocessing
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techniques to obtain "macros".
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Check: tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/sources/usr.bin/apple2.tar.gz
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for further information.
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--
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Alexander Jean-Claude Bottema, Email: d91a1bo@meryl.csd.uu.se
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University of Uppsala, Computing Science Department.
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#include <stddisclaim.h> LINUX,GCC,Eiffel,Haskell,ML,CAML-light,Prolog
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From: e8ne@amalthea.sun.csd.unb.ca (Chris)
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Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
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Subject: Hmmm
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 13:36:32 GMT
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Jeez - I hadn't realized that Linus had such a loyal following ;)
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Chris
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