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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:13:14 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #875
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Linux-Misc Digest #875, Volume #2 Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:13:14 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: How to pronounce Linux?? (Stryder)
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Re: Hmmm (Cameron Newham)
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Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Jesus Monroy Jr)
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Re: Suggestions for a 486 PCI Motherboard (Lam Dang)
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Re: New Linux Distribution (David Barth)
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Re: How to pronounce Linux?? (David Barth)
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Re: Linux everywhere? (David Barth)
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Re: Lynx under Linux (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
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kermit on Linux CD - violates copyrights (Budi Rahardjo)
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Re: Suggestions for a 486 PCI Motherboard (David Fox)
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Re: where to get the texbook (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
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Re: Play Audio CD's on Linux? (Roy Donehower)
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UK is discovering Linux (Andy Pearce)
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Logitech busmouse & X help please! (kline@juncol.juniata.edu)
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Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) (Robert Ashcroft)
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From: stryder@access.digex.net (Stryder)
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Subject: Re: How to pronounce Linux??
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:08:21 -0400
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rpark@uunet.uu.net (Richard Park) writes:
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>In article <36c3pv$41e@panix3.panix.com>,
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>S. Joel Katz <stimpson@panix.com> wrote:
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>>>Is there a correct pronunciation?
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>> There is a correct pronunciation and an incorrect pronunciation.
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>>The 'I' is short. Linux almost rhymes with 'shucks'. Or, if you prefer
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>>'Lih-nuhks'.
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>This is the topic of a religious war. If you look at older versions of the
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>FAQ, it says the correct pronunciation is the one specified above. But in
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>more recent versions, it seems to have changed so that the "i" is a long vowel.
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>I pronounce it the second way, but I don't think I would hate you if you
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>pronounced it the first way. 8~)
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It SHOULD be pronounced "linooks". You know. Unix backwards.
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Or maybe I should say Unix is Linux backwards.
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_____________________________________________________________________________
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Imagine there's no heaven.
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It's easy if you try.
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No hell below us,
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And above us only sky.
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John Lennon
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From: cam@iinet.com.au (Cameron Newham)
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Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
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Subject: Re: Hmmm
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 23:33:49 +0800
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tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts) writes:
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>My God. You make me feel like a newbie! My first Linux kernel was
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>0.98pl5, but I had only just taken delivery of my (then) shiny new
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>486-33 with 8Mb RAM, which I thought was the bee's knees at the time.
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Don't feel like a newbie! I joined at 0.99pl12 (i think)
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(whatever one was released in May 1993) when I got my 486dx50.
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- cameron.
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PS: biggest regret in life so far: having not met Linus in person
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because out of all of the weeks this year I had to be sick the week
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he came here. :(
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr)
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Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 03:29:32 GMT
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Po-Han Lin (plin@girtab.usc.edu) wrote:
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: Ok, I didn't know QNX costs major money. So I am considering
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: either 386bsd or linux. One person said I should get linux because
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: 386bsd is monolithic (controlled I guess), while linux is non-monolithic.
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: Now the question is, which os better? Better as in...
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: 1) least bugs, and stable IMPORTANT!
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:
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OK. since you've throw out QNX.
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Least bugs is a relative thing.
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If you want to go by reported bugs, then it difficult
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to give a clear answer. As is know in the industry,
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what maybe a bug to one person is a bug to another.
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And as "bugs" go, system stability is a far more important
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factor.
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To that I would say that if test suites were available,
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(and maybe GNU would do this) then perhaps a go measure
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for persons, like yourself could be achieved. To this
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question of "stability", at this time I would say -
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Go with Linux.... else if you can wait for the release
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(mailing) of 386bsd release 1.0.
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: 2) more software available that runs on it
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:
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By your comment, I guess you would want the broadest
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assorment of software to run on you platform.
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Linux wins hands down. However, most Linux applications
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fall under *copyleft* legal issues. So, if you plan
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to make (or use) your code in a commercial manner,
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you may want to investigate that issue with the poeple
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at Linux, as they have the best answers.
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: 3) faster
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:
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Again, no benchmarks (or stats) are available for
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any of the above. Numbers generated depend heavily
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on equipment used and application (program) design.
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: 4) more compliance to POSIX (I think standards are good, or am I wrong)
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:
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POSIX is an arguement in itself.
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POSIX is a good start for internationalization, but
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many commercial vendors have found their own twist
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on this issue. For the "free" UNIX people POSIX is
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a nice buzz word, but NO ONE can even remotely (IMHO)
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suggest compliance with POSIX.
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: 5) more people using it.
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:
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No valid numbers are available, but if the "newsgroups"
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are any indicator I would say LINUX.
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: 6) more support for third-party hardware (VLB, EISA, modems, etc) IMPORTANT!
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:
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LINUX, definitely!... they certainly have more screwy
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peripherials in operation than any of the other UNIX variants.(sp?)
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However, I must, at this time say, this IS NOT a good thing.
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IBM PC machines have a real problem with off-shore vendors
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doing screwy things. Ask any software house about this
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boxes and you'll get to answers
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1) get money.
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2) too many variations on a single topic (i.e. CD-ROM)
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: 7) platform for programming.
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:
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Linux, at this time, has the serious lead in documentation.
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By my book, even the best tricks are just that, if you
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dont' know how to use them.
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: that the other OS is better. Has anyone actually used both systems?
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:
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I'm running the FreeBSD and 386BSD versions in house.
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I run both, because I'm still waiting for 386bsd release 1.0
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Since I need to do X-windows development and TCP/IP testing
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at this time FreeBSD is of choice.
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Is one system better than the other?
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FreeBSD is better only in terms of getting the latest
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versions of applications to run on it. In other words,
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if I want the latest version of Mosaic to run in house,
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I am forced to used FreeBSD because the latest version
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of X-windows no longer supports 386bsd release 0.1.
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--
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Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com
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Zebra Research
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/386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation
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From: dangit@netcom.com (Lam Dang)
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Subject: Re: Suggestions for a 486 PCI Motherboard
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 19:29:29 GMT
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Steven M. Henry (smhenry@vt.edu) wrote:
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: I am in the market to upgrade my computer and want to purchase a 486 PCI
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: motherboard that will give me good performance and will be compatible with
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: Linux. Please email me or post any replies.
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I'm very pleased with my ASUS SP3G 1.6 ($259) with an onboard NCR 53c810
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SCSI controller. I chose an Intel DX2-66 ($264), 32Mb of 70-nsec memory
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($34 per meg), an extra 53c810 card ($80), and a #9GXE64 ($249). With
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lilo, I can boot Linux 1.1.51, Windows NT 3.5 RC1, or DOS (for games).
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Only WNT can use both 53c810 controllers at the same time, but I don't
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really need the second one.
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If you decide on the ASUS board, insist on Version 1.7 or later, And you
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should get a lower price on the DX2-66 by this time.
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--
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Lam Dang
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dangit@netcom.com
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From: dbarth@carl.fdn.fr (David Barth)
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Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
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Date: 1 Oct 1994 15:58:04 +0100
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Juana Moreno (madrid@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote:
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: I have been thinking of putting up a new Linux distribution especially
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: oriented to DOS-Win dummies. I have taken a nontraditional approach and
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...
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: - NO NETWORKING, except for maybe a terminal program (minicom) and
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: a mostly configured SLIP (client side only). In that case,
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: maybe Mosaic should be also included.
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IMHO Linux is great when networking... There was an article in LJ about
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Linux becoming a standard terminal on the Info Highways : Mosaic & news
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readers are the killer apps that can make people trash their MS* partition
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and jump in the Linux train. So, I think you should reconsider omiting the
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networking part in your distribution.
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What about a first disk set dedicated to the installation part : basic system,
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X-Window, tunings. Then your DOS-Win dummy could choose to load a pack of
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X apps and/or a complete programming environnement (emacs or ez & gcc + all
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related utilities), and/or an Internet config with PPP, Mosaic, mail & news
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readers. All should be preconfigured for a single system.
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To impress your DOS-Win dummy, X with a few toy applications won't be enough.
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It would be better to insist on the weak side of MS-* thus presenting net
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apps (add some cool WWW pages, a few messages in the /spool/news directory)
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or showing the compiler working while your editing part of a program (that is
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true multitasking without MS-Crashes(tm)).
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This was my 2 cents advice.
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--
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D.Barth (dbarth@carl.fdn.fr) "Linux, the choice of a GNU generation"
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From: dbarth@carl.fdn.fr (David Barth)
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Subject: Re: How to pronounce Linux??
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Date: 1 Oct 1994 16:03:34 +0100
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FEARNLCJ@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU wrote:
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: davidr@wv.mentorg.com (David Ransier) writes:
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: >Distribution: world
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: >Message-ID: <36c2ct$4bs@hpbab.mentorg.com>
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: >NNTP-Posting-Host: davidr.wv
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: >I've heard two pronunciations of Linux, both are variations of the "i" sound.
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: >My natural tendancy is to pronounce the "i" like "hi". The other common
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: >pronunciation has the "i" sound like "in".
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: >Is there a correct pronunciation?
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There are to files 'english.au' and 'swedish.au' to hear the exact
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pronouncation by Saint Linus himself.
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I found them on the Infomagic 2CD set, but they must be on sunsite or tsx.
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--
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D.Barth (dbarth@carl.fdn.fr) "Linux, the choice of a GNU generation"
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From: dbarth@carl.fdn.fr (David Barth)
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Subject: Re: Linux everywhere?
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Date: 1 Oct 1994 16:11:58 +0100
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Thomas Gschwind (tom@csdec1.tuwien.ac.at) wrote:
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: Today night I were dreaming, that I am waking up and all the world's
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: PCs run Linux? Imagine that feeling (No WinDogs around :))!
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: But then I woke up and :(((((((
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1. Find a pretty virus and infect all MessyWindoze boxes around.
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2. Erase and reformat hard disks ('Sorry, there's no way else...')
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3. Install Linux and on all those clean boxes.
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4. Smile !
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Hope this helps -)
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--
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D.Barth (dbarth@carl.fdn.fr) "Linux, the choice of a GNU generation"
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From: slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Lynx under Linux
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 20:35:56 GMT
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Mubashir Cheema (cheema@earth.sparco.com) wrote:
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: I have noticed that when I run Lynx under Linux all available
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: options get highlighted instead of the ones I move my
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: cursor to.
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It's a problem with the version of ncurses that lynx
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is compiled with. I haven't figured out exactly what to do, because
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ncurses 1.8.5 breaks one curses application while ncurses 1.8.1 breaks
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another.
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But.. there is a version of lynx statically compiled to
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work properly available from dewdrop.water.ca.gov in /pub/Linux/Network
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We desperately need the termcap, terminfo, and ncurses
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coordinated to be completely functional for all programs!
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Ignorantly,
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-Sam Lantinga (slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu)
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From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
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Subject: kermit on Linux CD - violates copyrights
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:31:48 GMT
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To CD-ROM vendors, ftp maintainers, etc., there is a "discussion" in
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comp.protocols.kermit.misc that if you provide kermit on your CD
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or ftp-site, you have to contact Columbia University to get a
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permission to distribute it.
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Otherwise, you are violating their policy.
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-- budi
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--
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Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
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#include <std-disclaimer.h>
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Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
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From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
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Subject: Re: Suggestions for a 486 PCI Motherboard
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Date: 02 Oct 1994 02:52:04 GMT
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There seems to be quite a bit of talk about the ASUS motherboards.
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One dealer in biz.comp.hardware has it for $275 with SCSI, IDE, etc.
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The only drawback for me is that it has no 30 pin memory sockets, and
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I have a bunch of 30 pin SIMMs. The other factoid I've seen is that
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PCI and VLB don't mix well. Read comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,
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there is quite a bit of Linux motherboard discussion there.
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--
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David Fox xoF divaD
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NYU Media Research Lab baL hcraeseR aideM UYN
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Crossposted-To: comp.text.tex
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From: michaelb@hobbie.bocaraton.ibm.com (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
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Subject: Re: where to get the texbook
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 23:02:19 GMT
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Jim Graham (jim@n5ial.mythical.com) wrote:
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: NOTE: followups to comp.text.tex (for obvious reasons).
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: In article <1994Sep29.160709.2988@kfdata.no> hansf@kfdata.no
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: (Hans Petter Fasteng) writes:
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: > thank you all for your help, strange that it is not anny doc with tex
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: >latex or texinfo distributions since all other GNU software is so well
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: >documented. I will look around and see what I find.
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: Several points.... First, I know I'm being picky here, but if you are
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: in an environment where you can't spell TeX with the lowered 'E', DEK
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: specifically says it's spelled ``TeX''. See chapter 1 in ``The TeXbook''.
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: Second, TeX is not GNU software. It may be redistributed with other GNU
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: software, but that's as far as the relationship goes.
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: Finally, TeX is very, very well-documented. You've just been looking in
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: the wrong places. If you're interested in plain TeX, try the following:
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: *) ``First Grade TeX''
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: *) ``The TeXbook'' by DEK himself
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: *) ``TeX by Topic'' by Victor Eijkhout
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: *) check with the TeX User's Group (TUG) for the rest---there's a lot
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: more!
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: ``First Grade TeX'' is a very nice beginner's book, but you'll out-grow
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: it rather quickly. Fortunately, at least when I bought it (a long, long
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: time ago), it isn't very expensive.
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: ``The TeXbook'' is, of course, a must.
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: ``TeX by Topic'' is a great book, once you've advanced your TeXnical
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: skills.
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: Again, check with TUG (e-mail: tug@math.ams.com) for more details.
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: Also check the FAQ and FAQ Supplement on comp.text.tex.
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: If you're looking for docs on LaTeX, check with TUG. I use plain TeX, so
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: my answers are obviously geared in that direction. :-)
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Well, if you want to use LaTeX I recommend the following:
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"LaTeX: A Document Preparation System" by Leslie Lamport (creator of LaTeX)
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[make sure to get the recent 2nd ed which covers the current LaTeX2e version]
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"The LaTeX Companion" by Goosens, Mittlebach, and Samarin.
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both are published by Addison-Wesley and are available from bookstores or
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TUG.
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--
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==========All Opinions Expressed are MINE, not IBM's==============
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Michael Rogero Brown (*IX System Administrator)
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IBM (uK Development) TEL/TIE (407) 443-6400
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Boca Raton, FL Internet: mikal@bocaraton.ibm.com
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If you think I speak for IBM, then I've got some swamp land^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
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real estate to sell you.
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GCM/CS d-- h-- s g+ p1 au a w+ v C++$ UA++++$ US+ UH+ P+>++ L>++ 3 N(+++) K
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W--- M-- V>-- -p+ Y+ t 5++ j(++) r !G v+ b+++ !D b--- e+++ u+ h+ f !r n x?
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From: donehower%DFCS@pcmail.usafa.af.mil (Roy Donehower)
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Subject: Re: Play Audio CD's on Linux?
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 17:38:25 GMT
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In article <36hu3p$qea@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu> 6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William Bushing) writes:
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>OK, call me blind or stupid... flame me to your heart's content.
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>I love Linux, but I haven't yet found out how to play audio CD's
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>while operating under Linux. I grep'ed through all the documenta-
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>tion I could see for anything on audio/CD, but could find nothing.
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>I'd hate to return to DOS or, shudder, Windose just to be able to
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>play music while I work. I know Linux can do it... my world would
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>be complete with multiple windows multitasking PLUS music! Thanks
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>in advance for any pointers.
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Use the Linux/X-Windows program workman. I use it all the time
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and it works great. Of course, you must have CD-ROM support
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compiled into the Linux kernel.
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Roy Donehower
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From: ajp@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andy Pearce)
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Subject: UK is discovering Linux
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 17:42:13 GMT
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Further to the CD-ROM with Slackware stuck on the front of
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the UK version of PC Plus, I read an article in Sept 29
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"The Guardian" a reasonably popular paper (traditionally left
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of centre), entitled "Freedom Fighter" with a big photo of
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Linus Torvalds. A generally positive, and reasonably accurate
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appraisal -- but I suspect the free and permanent aspect of the
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software may appeal to a cooperative political spirit. Plenty
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of mention/credit also given to FSF in the article.
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Linux, is I think, making its mark in the UK as something rather
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unique and interesting and I hope we'll see more articles like
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this in the press.
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BTW, no DOS slagging here (which is a relief), in fact the
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author (Godfrey Nolan) admits linux/X not as easy to set up as
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MSDOS/Windows. I thought it was a good article, really.
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--ajp
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Andy Pearce ajp@hpopd.pwd.hp.com
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From: kline@juncol.juniata.edu
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Subject: Logitech busmouse & X help please!
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Date: 2 Oct 94 22:35:23 -0500
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I'm having trouble getting my slackware pro 2.0 release of LINUX/X to recognize
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my Logitech P7-3F busmouse. I've tried configuring two new kernels of Linux:
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one with Logitech and one with Microsoft bus mice and the former does get me
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into X without error but the pointer doesn't move with mouse movement. I did
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change the symbolic link of /dev/mouse to /dev/busmouselogitec with the first
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kernel and have tried both that one and /dev/busmousems with the Microsoft
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kernel. Anything with "busmousems" fails to find the mouse at all.
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Is there a quick way of determining that my mouse is configured properly for
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linux without going into X?
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TIA,
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Barry (kline@juncol.juniata.edu)
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
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Subject: Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?)
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 17:38:15 GMT
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Reply-To: rna@leland.stanford.edu
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In article <LDD.94Oct3094031@step.step.polymtl.ca>,
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Louis-D. Dubeau <ldd@step.step.polymtl.ca> wrote:
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>So the Hurd does not spell doom for Linux.
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Yep: Doom for Linux is an entirely different sort of program ;-)
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RNA
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