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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:13:18 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #887
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Linux-Misc Digest #887, Volume #2 Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:13:18 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Paul Bash)
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Re: Split this group! (.help) (zachary brown)
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Re: X News-reader for LinuX (Alexandra Griffin)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Sergei Naoumov)
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Re: Gnuplot and XWindows ? (Orhan Unal)
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Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Mikael Nordqvist)
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Re: New Linux Distribution (Colin Plumb)
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Re: Idek 8617 + ???? @ 1280x1024x(76-80)Hz (Jim Sun)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Re: SB_PRO does not sound like 4W/channel.. (Mark Cooke)
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From: bash@tware.com (Paul Bash)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 08:17:21 GMT
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In article <jeffpkCx5y9n.Fs6@netcom.com>,
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Jeff Kesselman <jeffpk@netcom.com> wrote:
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>> Funny, Slackware, OS/2 and DOS (all installed on the same disk) don't
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>> see any problems. I have no other option except skipping the disk
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>> partition phase of the install.
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>
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>I'm honestly not sure on this one, but I seem to recalll there being a
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>patch bandied about thats needed for this particular controlelr to run
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>two drives?? (Someone with more experience with Adpatecs feel free to jump
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>in.)
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Linux has no problem with this host adapter. I've been running Slackware on
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it for close to a year now. I've run SVR4, OS/2 and DOS on it for years before
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that. SCSI host adapters _always_ support more than two devices (up to 7 in
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fact, 8 if you count the adapter itset). Its part of the SCSI specification.
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The OS using the adapter, of course, must have support for the additional
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drives offered before they can be used.
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The INT 13 BIOS on the Adaptec provides the basic support DOS needs for the
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first two drives. Beyond that _DOS_ needs additional driver support not
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supplied with the OS. Perhaps that is what you are thinking. I believe, nay
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I'm positive, that this has no bearing on the problem. Linux has all the
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additional support necessary right out of the box (providing you are using
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the SCSI kernel) and Linux has _excellent_ support for the 1542B.
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I suspect that this has more to do with the master boot record or the partition
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table not being to the liking of the fdisk used in Yggdrasil. It is probably
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checking some form of signature in the MBR that doesn't match up to what it
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expects. The OS/2 boot manager is active on this drive and that might be
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confusing things. The OS/2 boot manager, though, is nothing new to Linux
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users. There are notes in various README's that tell how to have Boot
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Manager and LILO co-exist on the same disk. You install boot manager first,
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then you don't allow LILO to take over the MBR during the Linux install.
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This is dirt simple and has worked for a _long_ time.
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The fdisk used in Slackware sees nothing wrong with the disk. Perhaps it is
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different from the one used by Yggdrasil. I can't imagine why but I guess its a
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possibility. The Yggdrasil fdisk is obviously less well tested than
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Slackware's if it is in fact the culprit.
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And no, this is _not_ another example of how Yggdrasil isn't meant for someone
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such as myself. It is just this ideal Yggdrasil audience you talk about
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that would be likely to install it on the same disk with the OS/2
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boot manager... just to try it out while continuing to do their normal work
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on OS/2 (or any other OS on the same disk).
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>
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>By the way, the hoops you have to jump through to 'get rid of that damn
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>cd-rom' are:
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> umount /dev/system_cd
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>And it all goes away.
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>
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Oh, don't start getting smug now, Jeff. We were doing so well and now you
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have to go and make and _effort_ to piss me off. You don't have a clue
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of what you are talking about here, but you continue to act like you do,
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inserting foot into mouth in the process. Sad.
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(yes, I'm being excessively condescending, even an asshole, but Jeff just
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keeps pushing :-)
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First of all, that should be
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umount /system_cd
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You umount a _directory_ and mount a _device_. There is no /dev/system_cd.
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There _is_ a /dev/cdrom0 in Yggdrasil (and its link, /dev/cdrom). Mount/umount
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symantics is just basic UNIX so I'm sure you knew that, Jeff, as a
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UNIX System Administrator, but I thought others might not ;-)
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Ok, now that we've got the command straight, have you actually tried this?
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It doesn't just "all goes away". Jesus, haven't you read this thread yet? More
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than one person has complained about how, when you do a complete
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install from the CD-ROM, you _still_ have symbolic links all over the file
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system that point at directories under /system_cd. You can't just remove the
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CD-ROM without removing all the links that point to it. Those links, most
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likely, have to be replaced by the CD-ROM files they are pointing to else you
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don't have a clean install. You might get away with running without the
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CD-ROM for awhile, but that's like saying you can walk down the middle of
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the freeway at 5pm and not get hit by a car.
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Sure you can... for a randomly short while.
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I ask you again, have you actually tried this? For more than a couple of
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days? While exercising all those neat packages you installed? Since
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you've commented elsewhere that you are quite happily running from the
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CD-ROM without installing everything on your PC, I doubt it.
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Here's an extreme, but highly plausible, illustration of the problem: what
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if I want to access the QRZ Ham Radio CD-ROM but can't because the system
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needs the Yggdrasil CD-ROM mounted to run properly? Well, I guess I just
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can't, right? Sounds like a classic Catch-22. Sure, I could buy a second
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CD-ROM drive just for this application, but then my $35 "Plug and Play" has
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become a $335 "Plug and PAY" system. Yggdrasil just got a whole lot more
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expensive.
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This issue of extraneous symbolic links is just one of several that started
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this whole thread long before I got involved. If you don't know this, you did
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more than miss a turn a while back, you've been asleep at the wheel. If you
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don't understand the ramifications of this, yet continue to throw smug
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comments around as if you do, you're just making yourself look silly.
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Like I said, you need to do some homework. Here's your first lesson: get a
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300MB+ disk and, using the control panel, install everything from the CD-ROM
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onto your disk. Now issue the following commands:
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cd /
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umount /system_cd
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find / -type l -ls | grep system_cd
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You should see more than a couple /system_cd symbolic links scroll by on your
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screen. At least they do for me as that's how _I_ discovered the problem in the
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first place. Try to access one of those files via the symbolic link.
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BINGO! It fails, doesn't it? Is a light coming on somewhere, Jeff?
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If the links are there, then you don't have a CD-ROM-less install.
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You have an accident waiting to happen. It doesn't matter if you are a power
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user or a beginner, the problem is just as ugly. From his view, random
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programs are going to blow up and the target Yggdrasil user you defined
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earlier isn't going to have a clue as to what is happening.
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Ok, yes, I could just go through and manually fix all of this. That's not the
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point. The point is/was that this is sloppy and poorly executed. Particularly
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when the Yggdrasil manual indicates throughout that you have the option of
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mounting the CD-ROM or not (if you at least install the /usr/bin package).
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With a CD-ROM, you can't afford to miss these details because you don't
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have the option of just patching the distribution when you find a problem.
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Instead, the user just has to deal with it again and again every time she
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installs the system. I've personally been through the 2 page Fall 94 errata
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5 or 6 times (each time I've had to re-install the CD-ROM to try and get a
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clean system). I hope I never see it again. If Yggdrasil intends a CD-ROM-less
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installation option, they have to test it, dammit! It doesn't look like they
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did and that's sloppy.
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Slackware doesn't have these kind of problems (although it has had _some_
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problems). It is _much_ more skillfully executed. And, it has been this clean
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for every release I've seen (since 1.1 and it is now at 2.1, I believe). FMPE
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(From My Personal Experience), the great majority of users will find it
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satisfying much longer than they would the Yggdrasil CD-ROM.
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Thus, we come full circle to my original comments that you jumped on several
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posts ago thereby fueling this fire. Yggdrasil is "cute" but it isn't for
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serious use. Jan experienced some of the same problems I did and asked if a
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better Linux CD exists. Without going into 20,000 words (like I've had to with
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you) I told him what I thought. Do you see what I mean now, Jeff? I hope so,
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but I kind of doubt it.
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>>
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>>I wasted $35 on the Yggdrasil Fall 94 CD-ROM that I will never use.
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>I have a feeling that, if you are that unhappy, and you bought it
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>directly from yygdrasil theyw ill probobly refund your money.
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I did not buy this software directly from Yggdrasil. Instead, I bought it from
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an exhibitor at a Hamfest. Third party, cash deal. I don't expect Yggdrasil to
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refund my money on this. If they would, great, but I don't expect it. And, it
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wouldn't change my opinion of Yggdrasil anyway. I have no beef with Yggdrasil
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as a whole, I just said the Fall 94 CD-ROM had major problems. I'm sure they're
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a great group otherwise and I'm sure they'll eventually get it together.
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They obviously have the talent. The execution is what's lacking.
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>>
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>>(If you aren't interested in Jeff and I bitching at each other, please press
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>>"n" now)
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>>
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>>Back to Jeff's comments:
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>>------------------------
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[stuff deleted]
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>This is kind of childish debate tactics (here comes the return-flame..)
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>Paul, and beneath your otherwise very intellegent comments above.
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You just couldn't resist getting that last little dig in, eh? That's beneath
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you, Jeff ;-)
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--
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Paul Bash Techware Design
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bash@tware.com Boulder, CO U.S.A.
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"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- John Gilmore
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From: zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown)
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Subject: Re: Split this group! (.help)
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Date: 6 Oct 1994 07:13:01 -0400
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In article <36md7r$qmq@solaria.cc.gatech.edu>,
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Byron A Jeff <byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
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>
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[...]
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>The solution in my opinion is three-fold:
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>1) Don't create a whole bunch of new groups.
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>2) Make all new groups moderated.
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>3) Collapse admin into misc because they're not very much different anyway.
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This does not seem to address the problem. The problem as I see it is
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the size of comp.os.linux.help. There's no reason to split or merge any
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of the other col's until they get unweildy.
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Moderation is not fair to use as a means of cutting down traffic. It's
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appropriate in comp.os.limux.announce, which is very specialized, and is
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not a forum for discussion.
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Creating several new groups off of comp.os.limux.help seems very
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reasonable as a response to the huge ammount of traffic in that group.
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There are also several subjects, such as hardware and networking, that
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get a lot of attention and would make good offshoots of col.help.
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As for people posting at random and without reading the docs, I think
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all we can do about that is to continue to gently point them to the
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proper newsgroup and the location of documentation. i.e. that problem
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does not fall under the current discussion, in my opinion.
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-ZB-
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From: acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin)
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Subject: Re: X News-reader for LinuX
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Date: 5 Oct 1994 10:36:44 GMT
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In article <cauthorn.21.0019154A@indirect.com>,
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Robert S. Cauthorn <cauthorn@indirect.com> wrote:
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>
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>But are any of the X news readers threaded? I haven't found one yet, unless
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>I'm using older versions of xvnews and xrn.
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There is 'tknews', a Tk (/tcl ?) based newsreader that, as I remember,
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does handle threads properly. I haven't looked at it in a couple of
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months; at that time it had some interesting features but wasn't
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completely finished or well-polished...
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-- alex
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From: naoumov@physics.unc.edu (Sergei Naoumov)
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Date: 6 Oct 1994 04:38:02 GMT
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In article <36uugo$tr@agate.berkeley.edu> ajk@garnet.berkeley.edu (Adam Jacobs) writes:
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>(It's true that all the languages I mentioned are European and all but
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>Russian are written with the Roman alphabet, left-to-right. I can't
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>comment on writing in Arabic or Hebrew script, though it seems to me
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>that I've heard of EMACS modes that facilitate even that, along with
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>all the niceties involved: juncture forms, vowel marks, etc. Anyone
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>know more?)
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I do it with my own Russian, English and Sanskrit (Devanagari) --
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no problem.
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>Perhaps there are, by now, WYSIWYG word processors that I'm not aware
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>of which compete with TeX for output quality; and I'm sure
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>high-powered desktop publishing packages do. I might well start using
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>one, if it gives me (1) fully-configurable multilingual writing, (2)
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>full support for mathematical equations, (3) all the numerous
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>formatting styles that I use, (4) complete control over the 'littlest
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>details' if necessary to tune things up at the end. Oh, and it should
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>run under Linux and not cost a fortune :-).
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Haven't heared about such a creature! Emacs and TeX!!! Besides, if you'd
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make a WYSIWYG for LaTeX, imagine how many menus and control sequences
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you nedded to get a good control over your document. Impossible!
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Sergei
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--
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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+ Sergei O. Naoumov serge@envy.astro.unc.edu tel: (919)962-3998 +
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+Department of Physics & Astronomy, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA+
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+++++++++++ http://sunsite.oit.unc.edu/sergei/Me/Serge.html +++++++++++
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From: unal@uwnuc1.physics.wisc.edu (Orhan Unal)
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Subject: Re: Gnuplot and XWindows ?
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Date: 5 Oct 1994 18:44:26 GMT
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In article <36uimf$36a8@lamar.ColoState.EDU> tesla@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jon Nash) writes:
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>I must be very confused! I have gnuplot... I open an xterm window
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>and try to run gnuplot. It says that I don't have a graphics display
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>terminal type (or something like that).
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>I _thought_ gnuplot ran under X ?! Does it? What do I need to do?
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>Thanks for any help you can give!
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>
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>Jon Nash
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>Colorado State University
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>Physics Department
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>Tesla@Lamar.ColoState.EDU
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You can try a couple of things:
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At gnuplot prompt, type "set term" to see available terminal types. If
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X11 is there, type "set term x11". If not, you have to recompile it with
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X11 support. To do this in Makefile just add "-DX11" to CFLAGS.
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Hope this helps.
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--
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* Orhan Unal * Email: unal@uwnuc1.physics.wisc.edu *
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From: d91mn@efd.lth.se (Mikael Nordqvist)
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
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Date: 6 Oct 1994 09:48:52 GMT
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[ Followups are directoed toward comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems as this
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has nothing to do with Linux ]
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>As far as reliability, the AMD 486DX2/66 is an exact duplicate of Intel's
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>chip, or so I read in PC Magazine. And at an average of 100 to 150 dollars
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>less than Intel, I am a buyer!
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If you are about to buy a new CPU, you might want to check out AMD's
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recently released DX2/80. Goes for about the same price as an Intel DX2/66
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here in Sweden.
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/Mikael
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--
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Mikael Nordqvist, student | d91mn@efd.lth.se | I'm not paraniod, it's just
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Lund Institute of Technology | mech@df.lth.se | that everyone is out to get me
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From: colin@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Colin Plumb)
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Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
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Date: 5 Oct 1994 05:31:33 -0600
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In article <36p69v$q41@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>,
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Erik Troan <ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu> wrote:
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> Once upon a time there was a DOS user who saw Unix, and saw that it was
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> good. After typing cp on his DOS machine at home, he downloaded GNU's
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> unix tools ported to DOS and installed them. He rm'd, cp'd, and mv'd
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> happily for many days, and upon finding elvis, he vi'd and was happy. After
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> a long day at work (on a Unix box) he came home, started editing a file,
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> and couldn't figure out why he couldn't suspend vi (w/ ctrl-z) to do
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> a compile.
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For an even more interesting story, once upon a time I got the MKS
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toolkit. I played with it, and arranged things so init spawned login
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spawned ksh asnd I never touched command.com. In fact I deleted it
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from my hard drive. (It turned out that I had to switch back, because
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I had to use Microsoft nmake (I was working at Microsoft at the time),
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and it crashes if command.com's resident part isn't loaded.)
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Anyway, I was happily editing a file with vi, and someone asked me
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a question, so I typed ^Z and found the answer in a few commands,
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and typed "fg" to get back, and Hey! Wait a minute! I'm running MS-DOS!
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"bg" didn't work, but I could run two copies of vi and switch between them.
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I was *quite* impressed.
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Still, I enjoy running an Operating System much more.
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(I also got to play with an early version of OS/2 and was amazed to
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discover that "#include <)" would crash not just the compiler, but the
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whole machine.)
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Sorry for the highly off-topic diversion; I hope the entertainment value was
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worth it.
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--
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-Colin
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From: jsun@athena.mit.edu (Jim Sun)
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Idek 8617 + ???? @ 1280x1024x(76-80)Hz
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Date: 6 Oct 1994 14:21:40 GMT
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bgrigg@unicoi.uucp (Bryon G. Rigg) wrote:
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>I am purchasing an Idek 8617 monitor and want reccommendations for a video
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>accellerator. The Idek reports to have refresh rates up 80Hz for 1280x1024.
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>I am looking for a card that can support this.
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>I will use this for Windoze and Linux/XFree86 so windows performance is more
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>important than dos performance. I have around $275(US) to spend and want the
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>best performance at the highest refresh rate.
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>I have looking at prices and foound the ATI Ultra Pro 2Mb (Mach 32) fits
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>within my operational and monetary constraints. Can this board give me
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>the refresh rates that I am looking for?
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I don't think any card will do 80hz at 1280x1024 in Windoze; due to the
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moron-proof user interface, manufacture would have to create a special
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entry for the IDEK: 1280x1024 on 135mhz, which will fry other monitors,
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most of which are maxed out at 110mhz.
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As for XF86, it's a completely different story; any card that supports
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135mhz dot-clock will do. However, I think ATI GUP (mach32) maxes out
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at 110mhz. A number of 864 cards can handle 135mhz; you can get Diamond
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Stl64 for $265 if you can trade-in any garbage; now, according to the XF
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doc, Diamond finally changed their policy towards XF86.
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Jim
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:02:51 GMT
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>Gamma Universe word processor for almost every language, incl. keyboard
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>redefinition on the fly
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>
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>The point is: you can do that under Windows easily (NT even easier in Unicode)
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I'm not sure this is right, actually. Even Gamma Universe, I believe,
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has a great deal of trouble mixing left-right and right-left languages.
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You have to enter in carriage returns and multiple-line text will not
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wrap right. An imperfect system overlaid upon an even less perfect sys-
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tem. No, I believe that Apple has done the best job of solving these
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problems.
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As has been noted here by others, though, Unix doesn't even have the few
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tools that Windows does: Just a few hacked pieces of software done by
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non-US groups who dispair of US engineers ever bothering with their
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languages or scripts :-).
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>as you just have to create TrueType (or Postscript if you want) fonts and
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>intercept the keyboard driver with a suitable one or for more exotic languages
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I always am irked by the term "exotic." It has the connotation of bizarre
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or unusual. In fact, these languages are just non-Western. There are a lot
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of people using Chinese, Devanagari, Arabic, and other scripts. More than
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there are English speakers.
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I'll have to take your word for it w/ regard to Windows and TrueType fonts.
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I've never been able to stomach the idea of learning to program in that
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environment. Windows for me is exclusively an applications platform.
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--
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-Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
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goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:48:44 GMT
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In article <370eng$6g2@kubds1.kub.nl> paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:
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>>
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>>Guys, the race is on to capture growing markets in China, India, and
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>>perhaps Russia and Islamic countries, and Unix is way behind the Mac
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>>(WorldScript) and NT (Unicode); probably behind NeXTStep, too, though
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>>I don't know what they've been doing lately....
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>>
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>
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>Richard: I don't understand. OK, you can get Hebrew or Arabic under
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>Windows (I even saw a wordprocessor for old-egyptian hieroglyphs
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>demonstrated), but surely they are just translations of graphics for
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>existing characters? You can't even write hebrew in the right
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>direction (i.e. from right to left) when you select the font.
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NT at least uses Unicode internally. My favorite multilingual word
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processing program actually runs under DOS of all things. Lets you
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switch writing directions arbitrarily. Not perfect, but it has style
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sheets, so I just type away without worrying about minor formatting
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details. It's pretty much WYSIWYG (not quite), but good enough for
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me. I just want to see Arabic as Arabic, Greek as Greek, etc., and
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not have to go though those silly preview cycles. It's called Multi-
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Lingual Scholar, and it's made by a firm called "Gamma Productions."
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This system is lousy for math, though, so beware :-(.
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>So if the waiting just is for somebody to draw a new font, I see no
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>intrinsic superiority of MS-Windows (or MacIntosh) over Unix. And if
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>you want to mess with the basic left-right orientation, the situation
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>in X Windows is not worse than in MS-Windows.
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Gee, I'd rather die than program for MS-Windows or a Mac, but I thought
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that WorldScript for the Mac pretty much solved the font/direction
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problem. For an example of a word processing application that takes
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full advantage of these facilities, try Nisus.
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>But I am not an expert in this sort of things, so please enlighten me.
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Nor am I. I'm just reporting what little I know.
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--
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-Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
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goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.tech,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
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From: ee2015@mail.bris.ac.uk (Mark Cooke)
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Subject: Re: SB_PRO does not sound like 4W/channel..
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:08:07 GMT
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Joseph Stanley (Joe) Wisniewski (wiz@rcsg30.eld.ford.com) wrote:
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: In article <Cx5stC.HKF@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil>, et@madmax.aa.nps.navy.mil () writes:
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: |>
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: |>
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: |>
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: |> I have just installed SB_PRO + MITSUMi_double-speed
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: |> CRrom drive + 8_ohm unamplified SONIC speakers on my
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: |> Linux box. I hooked up the CD sound to Sb_Pro after
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: |> switching the pins. It works, but it did not live up
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: |> to my expectations. It does not sound like 4W per
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: |> channel to me.
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: |>
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There is an onboard mixer on the SB-Pro. ISTR it is set to
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about 75% of maximum output when my card powers up. Could be
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your card powers up lower than this.
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As a quick test, find a Dos boot disk and the SB-Pro utility
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disks, and try running sbp-set. It should tell you the
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output levels on the card (ranges 0-15)
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[Snip post about using lower impedance speakers]
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Hope that helps.
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Mark
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