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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 94 15:13:23 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #902
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Linux-Misc Digest #902, Volume #2 Sat, 8 Oct 94 15:13:23 EDT
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Contents:
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Looking for mark@hartong... (Benjamin John Walter)
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Re: Problem with static route table (Steve Whorwood)
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Mitsumi FX001D-E (enhanced IDE) CDROM (Matthias Hanelt)
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Re: Where is infomagic? (Ian Nandhra)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom (Jeff Kesselman)
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Re: Linux on a 386 (Jeff Kesselman)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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:( lockups (G. Browning)
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Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Daniel Quinlan)
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Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (NightHawk)
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Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Myron Uecker)
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Re: Linux/FreeBSD ISDN support (Timothy Aanerud)
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Q: Max # of ftp/gopher/http users on a Linux PC? (Warren Ernst)
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Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom (Clayton Haapala)
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SCSI help (Steve Heistand)
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Diamond stealth 64 (Steve Heistand)
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Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Mark Tinguely)
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Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Tom Wilson)
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ISDN and Linux (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
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From: ben@tsunami.demon.co.uk (Benjamin John Walter)
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Subject: Looking for mark@hartong...
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:19:32 +0000
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Hi,
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I got some mail from mark@hartong... who wanted help setting up slurp.
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If you're reading this Mark, I sent you some things but your mail is
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set up incorrectly and they were sent to 'mark@hartong' (no domain!)
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and bounced back. I deleted your original letter, and I can't find
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any posts from you in the comp.os.linux.* groups.
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I'm sorry to have troubled everyone else, but I didn't know how else
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to get in touch with Mark.
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Peace, Ben
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/ / (_)__ __ ____ __
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/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / . . . t h e c h o i c e o f a
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/____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ G N U g e n e r a t i o n . . .
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
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From: steve@vertex.demon.co.uk (Steve Whorwood)
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Subject: Re: Problem with static route table
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 09:16:56 +0000
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In <36s5ig$2bo@garuda.csulb.edu> hienpham@csulb.edu (Hien Pham) writes:
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>Hi everyone,
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>I have a problem with networking my Linux box. I have Yddrasil Summer 94
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>Linux 1.1.0 #84 with NET-2 running. I have set up my static route table with
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>local ip address of 128.178.10.1 and 128.178.10.2 for my Linux boxes with
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>netmask 255.255.255.0 and broadcast addr 128.178.10.255.
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Your network number is invalid.
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--
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Steve Whorwood
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e-mail steve@vertex.demon.co.uk
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From: hanelt@eis.cs.tu-bs.de (Matthias Hanelt)
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Subject: Mitsumi FX001D-E (enhanced IDE) CDROM
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 13:53:20 GMT
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Hi!
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I'm wondering if the Mitsumi FX001D-E CDROM (similar to FX001D, but equipped
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with enhanced IDE interface instead of proprietary Mitsumi adaptor card)
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works with Linux.
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The CDROM-HOWTO (as of 08/21/94) mentions some (alpha) kernel driver for
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drives "based on a modified version of the IDE hard disk standard", but i'm
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not sure if this is what i'm looking for.
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In my understanding, an enhanced IDE CDROM would appear to the kernel as any
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other IDE disk drive, except of the lacking writing capability, of course.
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So no kernel driver patch should be necessary?
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I'm not (yet) Linux user and currently trying to make up my mind on what
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hardware to get for Linux. As an SCSI CDROM is much more expensive than the
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Mitsumi and the FX001DE is the same price as the normal FX001D, this enhanced
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IDE solution seems to be quite attractive. Once the Linux kernel fully supports
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the enhanced IDE transfer modes, this will be not only a comparably elegant,
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but also acceptably fast solution, won't it?
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So, are there any experiences with this matter out there?
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What about compatibility with software tools like audio players or photo-CD
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access?
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Thanks, Matthias.
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---
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Matthias Hanelt
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hanelt@eis.cs.tu-bs.de
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From: ian@lasermoon.co.uk (Ian Nandhra)
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Subject: Re: Where is infomagic?
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Date: Wed, 05 Oct 94 01:41:38 GMT
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In article <36p7kd$8i@rc1.vub.ac.be> sforseil@vub.ac.be writes:
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>
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> I tried to mail infomagic.com but it bounced...
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>
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>
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The last time I spoke to Joel and Kim (a few days back) it was warm and
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sunny in Arizona. They *were* however having problems with their email.
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> Did they change their IP or did they just shut down theeir business?
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>
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Well, they sent the new perl, tcl/tk & O'Reilly archive CD to us on
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Monday so they must be alive and well!
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--
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ian@lasermoon.co.uk
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Lasermoon Ltd, 2a Beaconsfield Road, Fareham, Hants, England. PO16 0QB
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Voice +44 (0) 329 826444 Fax: +44 (0) 329 825936
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+++ The UNIX & Linux Freeware Specialists! +++
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 14:19:20 GMT
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Sergei Naoumov writes:
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>
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>It can be easily done with XEmacs. LaTeX is not a text processor. It's a
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>different thing -- typesetting system.
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Right on. The point here is that most people prefer for these two things
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to be integrated, and not artificially separated. Separation here is an
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artifact of the 80s.
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Now I realize that many people - particularly people who like to get into
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the internals of every system they encounter - like LaTeX as it is. Just
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recognize, folks, that you are in the minority. Also, recognize that the
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rest of us aren't just stupid. We simply have different priorities.
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I can just see it now: Renegade Unixoid takes over as project manager for
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the next revision of Word, and decides to strip it of its GUI; anyone not
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willing to go along considered brain dead....
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--
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-Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
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goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 05:56:23 GMT
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In article <36ujf0$hvn@hacgate2.hac.com>, Ken Sorensen <ksore@atr-14> wrote:
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>Thomas Gschwind (tom@csdec1.tuwien.ac.at) wrote:
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>: Sujat Jamil (sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu) wrote:
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>: : I'd really like to know why does Linux DOOM run significantly slower
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>: : on Linux than it does on DOS for the same machine. Is it because it
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>: : has to go through multiple layers of X and Linux? I've also played it
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>: : on a SGI workstation, where it is reasonably fast. Of course, the
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>: : machine also had a 150 MHz MIPS processor. Is there any way to
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>: : make doom run faster on Linux besides getting a faster machine?
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>
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>Well, first off, I've heard that the code for Linux DOOM is pure C, whereas
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>the DOS version has some optimized assembly in it for speed. So you should
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>expect less performance.
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Actually this is not really true. There are only 2 assembly routines in
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PC Doom according to its author John Carmack (if its 3 not 2, please
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don't flame me, I don't have the artical infront of me.) Doom's speed
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comes from highly optimized algorithyms for drawing vertical walls.
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In general the win from properly desgined algorithyms is many times that
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you get just by dropping to assembly. There is a mystique abotu asembly
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code, though 'cause its a manly thing to do..... (And yes, you can always
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get some FINAL improvement by tight coding in asembly at the center of a
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loop. But in a really well designed algorithym, its not going to be more
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then a few frames/sec improvement max.)
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>I've killed everything, but not doing a renice. Anyway, I have 486DX/2-66,
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>and it ran slowwww. I have a local-bus ET-4000 (not accelerated) and I wasn't
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>impressed with it. However, it was kinda nice to run two DOOM sessions
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>side-by-side and watch the demo's play.
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If running two side by side didn't make it crawl, the yes you shoudl
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DEFINATELY try nicing your one process, as its obvious you have PLENTY of
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CPU power left...
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Linux on a 386
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 05:59:47 GMT
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In article <ianm.781374462@miles>, Ian McCloghrie <ianm@qualcomm.com> wrote:
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>spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Steven Pritchard) writes:
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>>ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos) writes:
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>>>Jeff Kesselman (jeffpk@netcom.com), quoted out of context, wrote:
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>>>> In article <36cs30$sb6@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
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>>>> Jim Sun <jsun@athena.mit.edu> wrote:
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>>>> >The first sentence is correct; the remainder are misinformation at best.
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>>>> >IBM's SLC and DLC processors are indeed merely improved 386s;
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>>>What about Cyrix's DLC? Is it also just an improved 386?
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>>The DLC is 486 instruction set compatible. It has only a 1K cache. It
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>>has the same pin-out as a 386DX, though. Apparently, this means that it
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>>can't do anything a 486 does with those extra pins. (The only thing I
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>>know of is burst mode, there could be more.)
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>When you get right down to it, an Intel 486 is really nothing more
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>than an improved 386 with a 387 thrown in for good measure. The
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>architectural differences between a 386 and a 486 are far smaller
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>than those between the 286 and 386 or those between the 486 and
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>586/pentium.
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Correct me if I am wrong here, but didn't internal parallel processing
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(multiple seperate Fp and Integer processors0 coem in with the 486?
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Thats whatI remember from teh BYTE artical on it. Thsi to me woudl seem
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to be a MAJOR architectural change. (Among other things, it makes
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careful mixing of floating point and ineteger math actually preferrable
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to pure intger math as it keeps more of the sub-processors busy at once...)
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Jeff Kesselman
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 14:26:44 GMT
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michaelb@hobbie.bocaraton.ibm.com (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin)) writes:
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>: I won't claim that LaTeX is a good multilingual processor, but my master
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>: thesis was written on it, in spanish, without troubles. Sure, Hebrew, Kanji
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>: and lots of other languages are not there, but at least it's a step forward.
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>
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>Uhhh. Actually they [Hebrew Kanji etc] are there, at least for TeX. I was
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>suprised/impressed when I got O'Reilly's _Making TeX Work_ and discovered that
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>there are versions of TeX designed specifically for Hebrew (which even handles
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>right to left rather then left to right), Chinese, Japanese and other languages
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This is lovely news, but if it's the same news as I've heard, what we have
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here is not an internationalized/multilingual product, but rather one that
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has been hacked to include support for a language here and there. So, for
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instance, things I do easily every day with MLS (or could with Nisus) on
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micros, I could not do with TeX. This includes quoting Greek, Hebrew, Eng-
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lish, Arabic, etc. in the same document. I believe that some versions of
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TeX do Hebrew/Arabic and English; others might do Greek and English. The
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model here, though, is not that of a multilingual product.
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I really hope that the info I have is wrong. Please correct me if it is.
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Also, I'd like to know what form TeX will accept those alternate languages
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in. If it will accept, say, Unicode, and will allow me to use an editor
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that displays "foreign" characters correctly on the screen (going in the
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correct direction), then I'd say TeX has made it into the 90s.
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So far I've not seen evidence of this. But then I only check on such
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things about once a year. I don't have time to follow what has been, for
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many years now, a dead end.
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--
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-Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
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goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
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From: gbrownin@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu (G. Browning)
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Subject: :( lockups
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:42:12 GMT
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Hey all,
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Like, I have a big question to ask.. I guess this could be classified
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as help category, maybe not.. anyways
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from time to time my linux box locks up for no appearant reason. I
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have checked the log files and nothing there is really relavent. I
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made sure that things that were recently added were removed and the
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like. Basically what happens is if I telnet to it it states it was
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connected, but nothing happens after that. If I try access gopher
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it says nothing is available. If I go to the console it has a login
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prompt and I try to login, no password prompt appears. Any clues?
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Here is some stats:
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486 DX 33Mhz
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32 MEG Ram
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1.05 GIG Conner SCSI DRIVE
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240 MEG Quantum SCSI DRIVE
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160 MEG Quantum IDE DRIVE
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Adaptec 1542CF SCSI controller
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VLB Graphics card (not running X)
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3.5" FLOPPY (BOOTS FROM)
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AMI BIOS (turned off EXTERNAL CACHE as vendor has had problems)
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oh, SCSI BIOS is enabled
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I am using LINUX KERNEL 1.1.51
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Running Gopher Server
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Running EBBS software
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SendMail by BERKELEY
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I havent had problems till recently. (could this be the 1.1.51 kernel
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doing this to me?)
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BTW, our linux box has to stay online 24 hours a day (functionally) as
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it is our gopher server.
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Thanks
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-Gary R. Browning
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Confused on this one.
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From: quinlan@freya.yggdrasil.com (Daniel Quinlan)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
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Date: 08 Oct 1994 00:00:19 GMT
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Reply-To: quinlan@freya.yggdrasil.com
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Yan Xiao <yxiao@umabnet.ab.umd.edu> writes:
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> We purchased Yggdrasil Fall 1994 Plug-and-Play recently, and here
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> are some of the problems we`ve encountered so far:
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> 1. Im-Pass-word: User cannot change password.
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> If you change password as a user, you will receive:
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> Can't open /etc/ptmp, can't update password
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This is covered in the Fall 1994 errata. The errata is available for
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FTP at ftp.yggdrasil.com (192.216.244.52) in /pub/fall94/errata.
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# chmod 4755 /usr/bin/passwd
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> 2. More than you asked for: 'more' behaves strangely: in console
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> (non-X), you'll get segmentation fault. in X's xterm, you'll
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> have trouble scrolling. The problem also affects 'appropos'.
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We are unable to reproduce a segmentation fault. It is always
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possible that the copy you are running has been corrupted.
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Meanwhile, I might suggest trying `less'.
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> 3. Plug-and-Play, no-plug, no-play: waning CD-ROM can be a challenge
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> We didn't install everything (has anyone?), thus we picked
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> packages we wanted from control-panel. Guess what, we still
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> have pointers to CD-ROM, such as /usr/X386/lib/libX11*.
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Please get a copy of the errata. It covers this and other small
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problems.
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// Dan
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--
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Daniel Quinlan <quinlan@yggdrasil.com>
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From: fsosi@j51.com (NightHawk)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
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Date: 6 Oct 1994 21:42:08 -0400
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Woody Jin (wjin@moocow.cs.uh.edu) wrote:
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: In article <36nd1u$d80@pdq.coe.montana.edu>,
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: Nate Williams <nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu> wrote:
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: >In article <36djkn$nm8@girtab.usc.edu>, Po-Han Lin <plin@girtab.usc.edu> wrote:
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: >>386bsd is monolithic (controlled I guess), while linux is non-monolithic.
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: >
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: >You were misinformed. Both Linux and the BSD's use monolithic kernels.
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: >For a fun discussion of this, there is a series of articles were Linus
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: >and Andy Tanenbaum 'discussed' the merits of both of these when Linux
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: >was in it's infancy.
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: BTW, I have a question. Compiling FreeBSD kernel in 386 is much faster
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: than compiling Linux kernel in 486 with twice memory.
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: I found that Linux compiles everything whatever options I choose.
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: Am I doing something wrong, or is it the feature of Linux ?
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You cannot compare apple with orange. Try to compile the same source code
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with the same gcc release.
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NH
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: --
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: Woody Jin
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: muecker@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Myron Uecker)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 00:46:11 GMT
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I haven't had any of the problems you mentioned, but I have yet to be
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able to boot Linux from my hard drive. I think that part of the problem
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stems from the fact that the Fall 94 CD has a lot of the directories
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changed from previous releases and it is causing problems. The Lilo docs
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uses a totally different directory structure than this CD does.
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I am wondering how many of the shell scripts haven't been updated to
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match the new release.
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<Myron>
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From: tima@tinian.cfsmo.honeywell.com (Timothy Aanerud)
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Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.isdn,mn.general
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Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD ISDN support
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Date: 6 Oct 1994 21:36:17 GMT
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Don't pester US West about residential ISDN service. US West would
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probably be glad to provide it to you. Pester the Minnesota {insert your
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location here} Public Utilities Commission. Your local phone company can
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not provide ISDN service until the approve it.
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--
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We will get you there within | Timothy Aanerud
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2 NM/hr, 95% of the time... | Honeywell Commercial Flight Systems
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| Makers of Laser Gyro IRU's
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N45 07.9 W93 16.6 | tima@cfsmo.honeywell.com
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From: wernst@crl.com (Warren Ernst)
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Subject: Q: Max # of ftp/gopher/http users on a Linux PC?
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Date: 6 Oct 1994 15:07:37 -0700
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All,
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Our company is considering making a Linux equipped PC an ftp/gopher/http
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server, but I don't know if such machines are able to handle the load. We
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will ultimately be giving the machine its own router and 56k line, but we
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have no idea what CPU's are appropriate -- 486 DX2/66, P60, P66, P90,
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etc. The PC would have 16 Meg ram and at least a gig SCSI drive.
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What I'm really looking for is something like: "a 486-66 starts to bog
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down at 100 ftp logins transferring data out, but a p60 could take at
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least 400 without breaking into a sweat".
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We aren't sure what the average size of concurrent ftp/http accesses will
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be, but we would like to be more than 200. If a Linux PC is simply
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incapible of doing this, we would probably get a used Sun.
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Feel free to email or post your answers. I could really use your help. Thanx
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Virtually,
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Warr
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| Warren Ernst \ Computer Consultant / "Never quote me on this..." |
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| wernst@crl.com \ Technical Writer / "Overclock - it's your 486." |
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| Fullerton, CA, USA \ Graphic Artist / "Llama, llama, llama, llama!" |
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| Will Write for Food \ Nerd / "I'm EXACTLY one Warren tall." |
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From: clay@haapi.mn.org (Clayton Haapala)
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Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 00:46:30 GMT
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Doom runs marvy for me on a DX50 with an S3 ISA card, and on a DX/2 66 with
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an old ISA ET4000 card. Both machines have 16Meg RAM, 256K cache. Others
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have said that if you don't have sound available, get rid of the soundserver.
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Mine run fine with sound.
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--
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Clay Haapala "Well, there was the process of sitting around
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clay@haapi.mn.org and wishing I had more computer stuff."
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-- Dilbert
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From: heistand@iastate.edu (Steve Heistand)
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Subject: SCSI help
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Date: 7 Oct 94 02:42:58 GMT
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I have a strange problem that I cant seem to figure out. I have a pentium
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with a 1G scsi drive and am trying to run linux. I can boot lilo
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no problems (now) and it starts loading the kernel and ties after
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many bad scsi id requests. If I use a boot floppy and an old
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install kernal it works fine. but I would like to be able to rebiuld
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or rebuild the kernel some day. any one get linux to work with a
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scsi driver with a chip of NCR53c810?
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steve
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= Steve Heistand Email: heistand@scl.ameslab.gov =
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= =
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= Scalable Computing Lab Phone: (515) 294-1918 =
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= 237 Wilhelm Hall Fax : (515) 294-4491 =
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= Iowa State University Home : 227 Hyland Ave Ames, Ia 50014 =
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= Ames Ia 50011 (515) 292-8445 =
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= =
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= www: http://www.physics.iastate.edu/cfd/people/heistand/heistand.html =
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= If I knew what I was doing then it wouldn't be called RESEARCH! =
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From: heistand@iastate.edu (Steve Heistand)
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Subject: Diamond stealth 64
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Date: 7 Oct 94 02:46:05 GMT
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I need a Xconfig file for a diamond stealth 64 PCI card. anyone use
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this card succesfully? I need it to work with a sony trinitron
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1730 but am willing to start with almost anything and tune from there.
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--
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=-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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= Steve Heistand Email: heistand@scl.ameslab.gov =
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= =
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= Scalable Computing Lab Phone: (515) 294-1918 =
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= 237 Wilhelm Hall Fax : (515) 294-4491 =
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= Iowa State University Home : 227 Hyland Ave Ames, Ia 50014 =
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= Ames Ia 50011 (515) 292-8445 =
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= =
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= www: http://www.physics.iastate.edu/cfd/people/heistand/heistand.html =
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= If I knew what I was doing then it wouldn't be called RESEARCH! =
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely)
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Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 02:35:43 GMT
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In article <36ui36$m9q@pendragon.jsc.nasa.gov> poirot@laurel.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel Poirot) writes:
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>In article <Cx7Fwx.qLH@ns1.nodak.edu>,
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>Mark Tinguely <tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu> wrote:
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>>In article <jeffpkCx4wtM.B64@netcom.com> jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) writes:
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>><text removed>
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>> everyone can agree that Linux is a System V based OS and *BSD is BSD based
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>
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>How do you figure? Aside from /etc/inittab run state stuff, I can't
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>think of a thing that makes Linux look like SysV (yuck).
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*BSD has the proc filesystem too (wasn't that a Plan 9 idea?) so that is
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not what I had in mind. Linux does use inittab, and rc.d (runlevels) like
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System V. I guess I see things from the administrative point of view, users
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see things from a shell or library level. No insult intended.
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I generalized statements about all the groups, not to start a religous
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war but to stop one. Linux, *BSD, and Mach running one of these as a server
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are all good. Each group will be viable for the near future, each group has
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its own support/design/distribution/economical drives. People from OS XX are
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not going to switch to OS YY at this point. New people sincerly ask which
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OS they should run. It would be wrong to say in long term or even today, that
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OS XX is better than YY. If you want to convert them to Linux, sell them on
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the "market share", the DOS-philic (for example filesystems), NetBSD people
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can sell their plans (and successes) of have one OS across multiple CPU
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architectures, FreeBSD people can sell their approach of wanting very tested
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stable releases. This is certain better than "XX has a shitty HH (for me)", "No,
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the HH in XX is works great (for me), you are just mad because your II is slow
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(for me)"...
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The new people can decide what they want. Let us sell, not FUD. If my
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generalizations were offending, or incorrect, I am sorry. Lets let each
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group put out a list of "selling features" for their OS. We can bundle all
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of the selling features into a "What should I run FAQ", and let the user
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choose.
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--mark (the long winded preacher?).
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From: ctwilson@mercury.interpath.net (Tom Wilson)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
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Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 21:54:34 -0400
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In article <372tg0$1ai@huron.eel.ufl.edu>,
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Alexandra Griffin <acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu> wrote:
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:In article <1994Oct5.141142.773@muvms6>,
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:Andy Bailey <bailey9@muvms6.wvnet.edu> wrote [in c.o.l.misc]:
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:>[...]
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:>
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[...CHOMP...]
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:
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:1) A mouse-driven tool for setting common X resource preferences would
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:be *very* helpful, even for experienced users (kind of a big project,
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:I know). Hewlett-Packard workstations include this as part of the
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:HP-VUE desktop-- you can adjust window colors, background pixmaps,
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:speaker pitch & volume, screensaver status, etc. from a "control
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:panel"-like utility. There are too many things under X that can be
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:configured only from the command line, which is not good (ideally both
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:a good GUI and command-line way of setting each option should exist).
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Perhaps, but HP-VUE is Motif-based, and, just in case you haven't noticed,
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*it's a resource hog*. You're probably running with at least 32 megs
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of memory on a nice PA-Risc workstation, which is quite a bit more
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powerful than an Intel box. I'm not saying your ideas are bad, but I
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couldn't *stand* using VUE 3.0 with less than 32 megs...I had to for
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a while with 24 megs, and it simply *sucked*. (twm & tvtwm were starting
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to look awfully attractive ;-)
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: An extension of this idea might involve using GetWidetTree
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:calls to a selected application to find out what resources can be set
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:(like editres does), filtering out those that are obviously used only
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:internally, and providing some kind of nice front-end for altering
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:these (and saving them to .Xdefaults, which would be automatically
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:"xrdb -load'ed" on exiting the preferences tool). HP-VUE even allows
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:some things to be changed on the fly in already-running clients, but I
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:think support for this has to be specially compiled into each client.
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:Maybe a drop-in replacement for some of the X shared libraries could
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:allow existing binaries to support this, though?
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:
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:2) A better X file manager than what's currently out there (xfm &
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:xfilemanager are nice but not as easy to configure, easy to use, or
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:generally polished as one might like). Maybe something that provided
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more and more resources....
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:essentially the same functionality as Mouseless Commander (the
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:text-based Norton Commander clone), but with a mouse-driven GUI? (&
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:provisions for icons if desired, scrollbars on the dual file selection
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:lists, real pulldown menus-- leave in the command line at the bottom,
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:though!).
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:
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[CHOMP]
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:
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:3) Another idea from HP-VUE... this environment features a "console
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:bar" area at the bottom of the screen, containing buttons to switch
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:virtual desktops, invocation icons for commonly-used apps, small icons
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I've been toying with somthing quite similar using fvwm and xfm...the
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functionality is quite similar if you don't mind using fvwm's virtual
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desktops.
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:for system functions (logging out...), and space for a clock,
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:calendar, Xload bargraph, & other stuff. The appearance of the bar is
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:very professional, with little beveled insets for each item. I'm
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more and more resources....
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[CHOMP]
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--
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/-----------------------------------------------------------------------\
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| Tom Wilson | "I can't complain, but sometimes |
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| ctwilson@rock.concert.net | I still do." |
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| | -Joe Walsh |
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From: slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.dcom.isdn
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Subject: ISDN and Linux
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 21:24:50 GMT
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Reply-To: felix@sbei.com
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My company is probably going to pay for a residential ISDN
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installation at home, and I would be a fool to not look into this. I
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have a PC at home, running the usual DOS/Windows crap, and also
|
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running Linux (yay!). DigiBoard has announced a product called
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DataFire (maybe DigiFire, I always get confoozed here) which runs
|
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2B+D, has an ODI interface, PPP support. Their slick says they
|
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support Windows for Workgroups 3.1.1, but makes no mention of Windows
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3.1.
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I have also found that psi.com has an ISDN dialup Internet service,
|
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running both with their software under Windows (great for the kids)
|
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and under PPP (but not "certified" to work with Linux, only SUN,
|
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HP-UX, a couple like that). This service costs $29 a month for 29
|
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hours connect time. Hey! this caught my attention.
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On a side note, as much as I personally hate Windows, it is a lot
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easier for the kids, and I don't object at all to having a Windows
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Internet interface for them. Especially since there are many Windows
|
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programs they use for school essays and such, I don't see any need to
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force them to use Linux. But I personally want Linux, if for no other
|
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reason thn that I can work at home once in a while.
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So here are my questions:
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1. What can people tell me in general about home ISDN, that I
|
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probably haven't already found out from PacBell?
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2. WHat does this ODI interface mean to me and Linux? Is this a
|
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standard hardware interface, for which Linux drivers already exist?
|
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Or are there easily modifiable drivers?
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3. What the heck is WIndows for Workgroups 3.1.1, and would those
|
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drivers probably work with Windows 3.1?
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4. What the heck, let me ask again for any general information. You
|
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probably can not send me too much basic information; I can always toss
|
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it.
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My friend is psoting this for me; I haven't got news access, so please
|
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REPLY rather than FOLLOWUP. I will of course accumulate replies and
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send him a summary to post.
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... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._.
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Felix Finch, scarecrow repairer / felix@sbei.com
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