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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 11:13:48 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #922
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Linux-Misc Digest #922, Volume #2 Wed, 12 Oct 94 11:13:48 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Bill McCarthy)
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Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX??? (Tilo Schuerer)
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Amateur Radio Software for Linux List (Terry Dawson)
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Re: SW Technologies (Jeff Kesselman)
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From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy)
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Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
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Date: 11 Oct 1994 19:36:31 -0400
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In article <37ea82$83s@sashimi.wwa.com> blackbob@wwa.com (Terence S. Murphy) writes:
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>In article <CxGxzA.KwB@erie.ge.com>,
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>Andrew R. Tefft <teffta@erie.ge.com> wrote:
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>
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>>Anyway I like the idea of a HOWTO, but even better, I like the idea of a
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>>whole package, containing documentation, sample configuration files of
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>>various 'schemes' of things (.fvwmrc's, app-defaults files, whatever),
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>>and a tool to manipulate (choose/install) them.
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>This is even a better idea, yes. I think we should do this! What do others
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>think?
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>--
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>Terry Murphy | UIUC Frosh/CS Major | "The whole world has been made again" -
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>Marillion | There ought to be an alt.fan.linus-torvalds! | "The S.A.T is not
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>geared for the lower class so why waste time even trying to pass?"-Gang Starr
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>"I never found a companion that was so companionable as solitude"-H.D.Thoreau
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Yes, absolutely! Speaking as one who has just started looking at the stuff for
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fvwm - goodstuff - a HOWTO would be great. I got a lot of good info from the
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net in response to my questions - a lot of info that could be centralized in
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a HOWTO. Fer example, I idin't know that there is a FVWM homepage on the Web
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til one fella mentioned it in a post to me. Good stuff there for beginners and
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advancers alike. Also, in one of the responses to my questions was one line
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that got me going - just an example I could use. So, a HOWTO is a good idea.
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Bill McCarthy
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bmccarth@gulfaero.com
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"Isn't it pretty to think so."
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TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________
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LinuX + i486dx2/66
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usual disclaimer
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From: tilo@ftat64.ee.TU-Berlin.DE (Tilo Schuerer)
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Subject: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX???
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 12:58:23 GMT
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Hy,
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I indent to buy an Pentium P90 INTEL Board, which
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has the nicname "Plato" Because I never heart anything
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about that board I wonder if anybody already used it
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sucessfully under LINUX.
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If there is enough interest I will summarize on the net.
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I'm looking forward your responses!
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Thanks a lot,
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Tilo
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tilo@cs.tu-berlin.de
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.announce,rec.radio.info,aus.radio
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From: terryd@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Terry Dawson)
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Subject: Amateur Radio Software for Linux List
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Reply-To: terryd@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Terry Dawson)
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:46:22 GMT
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Linux Amateur Radio Software List
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Terry Dawson, VK2KTJ, terryd@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
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v1.3 08 Oct 1994
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It is hoped that this list will assist Amateur Radio operators in
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finding and trying the various amateur radio software that has been
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written for, or ported to Linux. It is also hoped that as a conse-
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quence of this information being available that more amateur radio
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operators will choose Linux as the platform of choice for their exper-
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imentation, and that software developers will choose Linux as the
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platform for their software development, further expanding the role of
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operating systems like Linux in the Amateur Radio field.
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1. Introduction.
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This list was prompted by comments that had been expressed in the
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various Linux newsgroups about the number of amateur radio operators
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that were involved with Linux. It seemed to me that I was catching
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snippets of information here and there relating to development efforts
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taking place, but I never really knew where to locate either the
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person responsible for a particular piece of software, or the software
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itself. The list is quite small with only a few entries, but I'm
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hoping that people will contribute to the list as new software becomes
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available. I feel though that the items listed are an excellent base
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to build on, as they represent the various ways in which software can
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be developed for Linux for use in Amateur Radio.
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I'd originally considered limiting the scope of this list to non-
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commercial software only, but have subsequently changed my mind.
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Taking a serious look at most amateur radio fields shows that most
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good developments are those that are designed by individuals and that
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commercial entities have taken up and disseminated to the mass market.
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I'd like to see the same happen for Linux support for Amateur Radio
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software too.
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2. Contributions/Updates etc.
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I'd like for this list to be as complete and up-to-date as possible.
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So I'm keen to hear about any developments or products that I don't
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already know about, or that the entry is obselete or outdated for.
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What I'd like as a minimum set of requirement would be something like
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the following:
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Name
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The name of the software in question.
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Author
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Who wrote, or ported the software. An email address, or some
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other means of contacting them is also essential.
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Description
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A single line description of what the software does.
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Status
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An indication of the software's status. Is it still in testing?
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Is it a production release? Is it still in the design stage?
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System requirements
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What does the software require to run? Does it require X-
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Windows? Does it need a soundcard? Does it need a certain
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version of kernel? Does it need other software to support it?
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Detail
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I'm not keen on including a large amount of detail on each piece
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of software as this would consume a lot of time reading and
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trying to keep up to date. So instead what I'd like to list is
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what makes this software unique, anything special about it.
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Perhaps its most outstanding features, that sort of thing.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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If the software is freely distributable then ftp details would
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be great. If it is commercial software then the name of the
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company distributing the software, and an address or telephone
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number. If it is available only by some other means, say mail
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order, then details on where and how to obtain it.
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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Is the software Copyleft? Copyright? Shareware? Public Domain?
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Restricted in use in any way?
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Don't worry if you don't know all of these details, just send me what
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you do know and I'll list what I can. I'd rather have an incomplete
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listing than no listing at all.
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Please mail any contributions to:
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terryd@extro.ucc.su.oz.au or terry@orac.dn.itg.telecom.com.au
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I'd list a packet radio address too but I'm still not properly
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operational again yet after moving house.
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3. Discussion relating to Amateur Radio and Linux.
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There are various places that discussion relating to Amateur Radio and
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Linux take place. They take place in the comp.os.linux.* newsgroups,
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they also take place on the HAMS list on niksula.hut.fi. Other places
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where they are held include the tcp-group mailing list at ucsd.edu
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(the home of amateur radio tcp/ip discussions), at Club meetings and
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on-air of course.
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To join the Linux HAMS channel on the mail list server, send mail to:
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linux-activists@niksula.hut.fi
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with the line:
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X-Mn-Admin: join HAMS
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at the top of the message body (not the subject line).
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To join the tcp-group send mail to:
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listserver@ucsd.edu
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with the line:
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subscribe tcp-group
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in the body of the text.
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Please remember that the tcp-group is primarily for discussion of the
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use of advanced protocols, of which tcp/ip is one, in Amateur Radio.
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Linux specific questions should not go there.
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4. Where to obtain new versions of this list.
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This list will be periodically posted to the comp.os.linux.announce
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newsgroup, and to the HAMS list on niksula.hut.fi.
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It is also available from the following World Wide Web sites:
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Dennis Boylan N4ZMZ <dennis@nanovx.atl.ga.us> makes it available at
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the following three locations:
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www.com (http://www.com/linux/radio/index.html), www.hboc.com
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(http://www.hboc.com/linux/index.html) and www.lan.com
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(http://www.lan.com/linux/index.html).
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John Gotts N8QDW <jgotts@engin.umich.edu> makes it available at:
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www.engin.umich.edu
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(http://www.engin.umich.edu/~jgotts/linuxhamsoft.html).
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Alan Hargreaves VK2KVF <alan@dap.CSIRO.AU> makes it available in
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Australia at: www.dap.csiro.au (http://www.dap.csiro.au/RadioLinux).
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<dantodd@wheel.ucdavis.edu> will be making it available sometime
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shortly.
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Please let me know if you'd like to make it available somewhere too.
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5. Satellite
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The following software is for use in experimentation with Satellite
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communication.
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5.1. MicroSat Ground Station Software
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Author
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John Melton, G0ORX/N6LYT, g0orx@amsat.org and Jonathan Naylor
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G4KLX, g4klx@amsat.org
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Description
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Microsat Ground Station software.
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Status
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BETA. Version 0.9-Xaw recently released.
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System requirements
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Alan Cox's kernel based AX.25 support ver 1.1.12 or better. X-
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Windows. The programs make use of the Athena Widgets and look
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much better with the 3D libraries.
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Detail
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This software allows you to use of a KISS tnc to directly
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communicate with the Microsat series of satellites. It provides
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an Athena Widgets based X-Windows interface, and allows you a
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comprehensive range of means of interacting with the satellite.
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The software should work with any window manager.
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The software provides the following programs:
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xpb
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broadcast monitor
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xpg
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ftl0 file upload program, message upload program
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xtlm
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telemetry display program
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downloaded
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downloaded file list viewer
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directory
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directory list viewer
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message
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message preparation application
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viewtext
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uncompressed ASCII text file viewer
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viewlog
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display the contents of some log files
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xweber
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special program for downloading webersat images
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phs
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general purpose PACSAT header stripper
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Where and How to obtain it.
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John's software is available from:
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ftp.ucsd.edu
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(ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming/microsat-0.9-Xaw.tar.gz)
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or ftp.funet.fi
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(ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/ham/satellite/microsat/microsat-0.9-Xaw.tar.gz).
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Please check for new versions.
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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GPL
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Contributed by:
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John Melton, G0ORX/N6LYT, Alan Cox, GW4PTS, Jonathon Naylor,
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G4KLX
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6. Shack Automation
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Software for simplifying tasks in the shack. Examples might include
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software for controlling the newer breed of radios, logging programs,
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QSL database, or antenna rotation.
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7. Packet Radio
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Software for use in conjunction with, or for facilitating packet
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radio.
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7.1. Kernel Based AX.25 networking.
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Author
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Alan Cox, GW4PTS, iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk
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Description
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Software that allows the Linux Kernel to perform AX.25
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networking.
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Status
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ALPHA. Quite stable though.
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System requirements
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Linux kernel 1.0 or later.
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Detail
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Alan's software provides the programmer with a berkeley socket
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based interface to the AX.25 protocol. AX.25 sockets can opened
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for either connected, or connectionless modes of operation.
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Support to allow tcp/ip over AX.25 is provided. The user
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applications has been Jonathon G4KLX. The software comes in two
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parts, a kernel patch, and the user programs. The user programs
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included are:
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axadd
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to manipulate the AX.25 ARP table.
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axattach
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to convert a serial device into a KISS device.
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axl
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an AX.25 listener designed to start a PMS when it receives an
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incoming connection. The PMS is still very new.
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axsetcall
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to change the callsign of a port.
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beacon
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generated beacon messages every 30 minutes.
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call
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A linemode AX.25 connection program. Call allows you to make
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connections to other AX.25 nodes. It provides file transmit
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and receive capabilities, and newer versions allow YAPP
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binary file transfers.
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listen
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a demonstration of how to use intercept AX.25 frames at the
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raw packet level. Useful as a building block for packet
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tracing for example.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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There are a number of different versions of the software. You
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must choose the one that suits your version of Linux kernel. The
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software is available from: sunacm.swan.ac.uk
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(ftp://sunacm.swan.ac.uk/pub/misc/Linux/Radio/)
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More detail on where and how to obtain the software is provided
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in the plain text version of the NET-2-HOWTO
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(ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/howto/NET-2-HOWTO) or if
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you have WWW access at: NET-2-HOWTO via WWW
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(http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/NET-2-HOWTO.html).
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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Most of the software is covered by the GNU Public License, some
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of the software is Copyright by the Regents of University
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California Berkeley, and small portions of the user programs are
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Copyright Phil Karn KA9Q, whose copyright allows unrestricted
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use by Amateur Radio, Educational Institutions and Commercial
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KA9Q OEM license holders.
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Contributed by:
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Terry Dawson, VK2KTJ.
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7.2. JNOS
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Author
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Brandon Allbery, KF8NH, bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
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Description
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Brandon ported JNOS to Linux. His port is currently of the 1.09
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(aka 1.08df) release of JNOS. Future versions will probably be
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based on Doug Crompton's evolution of 1.08df. Brandon suggests
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that JNOS for Linux is primarily of interest to people with
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existing DOS-based NOS configurations (especially server/switch
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configurations) who wish to switch to Linux or to escape the
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640K barrier.
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Status
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The current version is ALPHA.4. Brandon is still tracking down
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bugs, as well as evolving new features.
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System Requirements.
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Any version of Linux along with ncurses 1.8.1 or 1.8.5 (the
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latter is preferred). Optionally you will require Linux
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networking (at least loopback) and slattach (kernels pre-1.1.13
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or post-1.1.20 required for this).
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Detail
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If you include the Linux networking code in addition to JNOS,
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you can link the two by a slip link running over a pty, so that
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Linux can provide services to your radio users. In this way you
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can easily add servers without having to build them into JNOS
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itself. Brandon has supplied the following list of known bugs:
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o some servers seem to be causing unexplained exits.
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o PPP is reported not to work in ALPHA.4, although it worked in
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ALPHA.3.
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o BBS forwarding when convers is compiled in but not configured
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causes core dumps.
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o the finger server is getting bad filenames.
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o the bbs W command is case-munging filenames.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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You can obtain JNOS for Linux ALPHA.4 at: ftp.ucsd.edu
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(ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/tcpip/linux/j109lxA4.tgz)
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ncurses is available on most Linux ftp sites.
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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Brandon's modifications to JNOS are public domain. Most of the
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pre-existing NOS code is copyrighted and restricted to non-
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commercial use by the various contributors from Phil Karn on.
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Contributed by:
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Brandon Allbery, KF8NH
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7.3. N0ARY Packet BBS for UN*X
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Author
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Bob Arasmith, N0ARY, ported to Linux (and others) by Bob Proulx,
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KF0UW, rwp@fc.hp.com
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Description
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A packet bbs implemented under UN*X.
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Status
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ALPHA. Bob is running version ARY-0.9 on both Linux and HP-UX.
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The next version from N0ARY which is called 4.0 is in alpha
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test/development release. Bob has not been able to bring this
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online yet and is still running 0.9+kf0uw mods. Bob has about
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half it working with Alan Cox's AX.25 kernel which would be the
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desirable combination.
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System Requirements.
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Linux installation, C Compiler, plus HAM radio TNC hardware.
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Detail
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This bbs has an excellent packet user interface. It has a
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compatible set of commands with the RLI bbs so users will be
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familiar with it immediately. It then extends the command set
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to be a very nice natural language style interface (e.g "list at
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allus about KPC-3"). Many csh style bang commands are supported.
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Also included is a mail interface to provide a packet to
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internet gateway.
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Currently you need to customize the source code for your
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installation so you need some C programming proficiency.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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For a Linux version or for Linux information send mail to
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rwp@fc.hp.com. For a SunOS version contact bob@arasmith.com.
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This code is not packaged for distribution yet since it is not
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past the alpha stage of development.
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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Copyright by Bob Arasmith, N0ARY, but freely redistributable.
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Contributed by:
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Bob Proulx, kf0uw, rwp@fc.hp.com
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7.4. MBL/RLI message to NNTP and email converter.
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Author
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SM0OHI, pme@it.kth.se
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Description
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Software that will convert incoming MBL/RLI messages into either
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NNTP or RFC-822 formatted mail messages.
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Status
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Development, not yet released.
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System requirements
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Unknown.
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Detail
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This software would be ideally suited to those who want to
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establish a mail and news gateway between conventional tcp/ip
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networks and the amateur radio mail network.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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Not yet availale.
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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Unknown.
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Contributed by:
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SM0OHI
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7.5. Single floppy disk AX.25 router.
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Author
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Alan Cox, GW4PTS, iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk
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Description
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A single floppy disk version of linux with enough software to
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allow a PC to act as an AX.25/IP router.
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Status
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Development, not yet released.
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System requirements.
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As for any Linux system a 386SX class PC or better.
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Detail
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No detail yet.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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Not yet available.
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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Unknown/Undecided.
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Contributed by:
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Terry Dawson, VK2KTJ
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7.6. TNT.
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Author
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Mark Wahl, DL4YBG, DL4YBG @ DB0BLO.#BLN.DEU.EU, wahlm@zelator.de
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Description
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A Hostmode terminal program for TNC's that support the WA8DED
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hostmode protocol.
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Status
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Version 0.8 is reportedly stable, possibly beta.
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System requirements
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TNC supporting WA8DED hostmode protocol, serial line.
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Detail
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No detail yet.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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You can obtain the software direct from the author by email.
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Contributed by:
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Steffen Weinreich, DL5ZBG.
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7.7. Wampes
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A port of Wampes to Linux. Could someone send me details of the
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latest wampes release please ?
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8. Morse Code
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Software for use in conjunction with, or for facilitating Morse
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communication.
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8.1. Morse trainer.
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Author
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Alan Cox, GW4PTS, iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk
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Description
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A Morse Code trainer that uses the PC internal speaker
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Status
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stable, works quite well, unfinished.
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System requirements
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Linux, any version
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Detail
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Alan wrote this small program in only an hour. It is quite neat,
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and allows you to play morse at a range of speeds and
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frequencies through the PC internal speaker. You can specify the
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text to be played either from the command line, from a file, or
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the program is capable of generating random character groups. As
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it stands you must invoke the program from a Linux Virtual
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Console, as it relies on certain kernel calls to produce the
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sound, and these don't work as easily from an XTerm. As it
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sounds each character it lists the character in verbal form (Di,
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Dit, Dah etc.) to the screen. Alan is hoping that someone will
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take the code and enhance it with the features he has listed in
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the comments at the head of the source file.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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Alan has given me a copy, so you can mail me and I'll send you a
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copy. If it is popular enough I'll make it available by ftp
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somewhere.
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Contributed by:
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Terry Dawson, VK2KTJ, terryd@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
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9. AMTOR
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Software for use in conjunction with, or for facilitating AMTOR.
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10. PACTOR
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Software for use in conjunction with, or for facilitating PACTOR.
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11. Slow Scan Television
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Software for use in conjunction with, or for facilitating Slow Scan
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Television.
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12. Facsimile
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Software for use in conjunction with, or for facilitating Facsimile.
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13. Design and Construction
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Software to assist in the design and construction of amateur radio
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related things. Antenna, Circuit Board, Filter, and QSL card design
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packages are all good candidates for this section.
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13.1. Software Oscilloscope
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Author
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Jeff Tranter, Jeff_Tranter@Mitel.COM
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Description
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Scope is a simple software emulation of an oscilloscope. It
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graphically displays voltage as a function of time.
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Status
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ALPHA. First release.
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System requirements
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Sound card with input capability supported by the kernel sound
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driver. SVGALIB is used to do the display work.
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Detail
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Scope uses the /dev/dsp device to take audio in from the
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soundcard and displays it on the screen in a manner similar to
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an oscilloscope. Jeff claims Scope was written more for
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amusement value than for any serious purpose.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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You can obtain source, makefile and man page for Scope from:
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sunsite.unc.edu
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(ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/apps/circuits/scope-0.1.tar.gz)
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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GNU Public License. Copyleft.
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Contributed by:
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Terry Dawson, VK2KTJ
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13.2. irsim
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Author
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Dmitry Teytelman, dim@leland.stanford.edu
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Description
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An event-driven logic-level simulator for MOS circuits
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Status
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Version 8.6, production.
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System Requirements
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X-Windows.
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Detail
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irsim is an X11 based simulator for MOS circuits. It has two
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simulation modes, either switch where each transistor is
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modelled as a voltage controlled switch, or linear where each
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transistor is modelled as a resistor in series with a voltage
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controlled switch, and each node has a capacitance.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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You can obtain irsim from: sunsite.unc.edu
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(ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/apps/circuits/irsim.tar.z).
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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Freely Redistributable
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Contributed by:
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Terry Dawson, VK2KTJ
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13.3. Spice
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Author
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University of California, Berkeley, ported by
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eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
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Description
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Spice is an analog circuit emulator.
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Status
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Stable release. Last fortran version produced.
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System requirements
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Unknown.
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Detail
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Spice allows you to design and test circuits in a computer
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modelled environment to see how they will behave without having
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to touch a soldering iron, or solder.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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You can obtain version 2g6 of Spice from: sunsite.unc.edu
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(ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/apps/circuits/spice2g6.tar.z)
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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Copyright held by University California, Berkeley. Freely
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redistributable.
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Contributed by:
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Terry Dawson, VK2KTJ
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14. Training/Educational
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Software to assist in education or training for amateur radio. Morse
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Code tutorials, technical examination database, Computer Based
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Training software, and the like are listed here.
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15. Miscellaneous
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Software that I couldn't put anywhere else.
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15.1. SunClock
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Author
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John Mackin, john@cs.su.oz.AU
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Description
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A clock that will show you instantly what parts of the globe are
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exposed by sunlight and what parts aren't.
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Status
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Released.
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System requirements.
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X-Windows.
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Detail
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sunclock is another of those desktop gadgets that most people
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think look nice but really don't have a lot of use for. I use
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sunclock to obtain an at-a-glance indication of the time
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anywhere in the world. In its iconic form it sits in a small
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Mercator projection. When maximised it produces the same image
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but obviously larger with slightly more detail. It also
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displays the date, local time and UTC. sunclock actually
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calculates mathematically what parts of globe are sunlit and
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which aren't, it seems quite accurate, so long as you assume the
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earth has no atmosphere.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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I haven't seen any precompiled sunclock binaries for Linux
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about, so check your nearest archie server. sunclock compiled
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straight out of the box for me.
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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Public Domain and may be freely copied as long as the notices at
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the top of sunclock.c remain intact.
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Contributed by:
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Terry Dawson, VK2KTJ
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15.2. Xearth
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Author
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Kirk Lauritz Johnson, tuna@cag.lcs.mit.edu, modified by Dimitris
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Evmorfopoulos, devmorfo@cs.mtu.edu.
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Description
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A rotating earth for X-windows root window. It has real life
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shading, and options for geostatic view, and non geostatic view.
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A prettier and more modern version of sunclock but requires a
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bit more processing power.
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Status
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released, stable.
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System requirements.
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X-Windows.
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Detail
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xearth is much like sunclock except that it draws a view of the
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earth onto your root map in blue and green, as the earth would
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be viewed from space. You have a number of options in
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determining the behaviour of the view. You can either have it so
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that the same part of the earth is displayed, and the sun
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rotates, so you'll have varying light and shadow on the display,
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or you can have it shown as if you were travelling with the sun,
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so the whole of the globe is visible, and the earth rotates.
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You can specify the latitude/longtitude that will be the centre
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of the display. xearth is also capable of producing gif and ppm
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graphics output, so you can generate custom graphics of the
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globe. When run as your root map, you can adjust the interval
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of time between updates. On my 486SX25 you notice a small
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degradation in performance when it is recalculating, but it's
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not annoying.
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Where and How to obtain it.
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A precompiled xearth binary is available from: sunsite.unc.edu,
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or the source can be obtained from just about any X11/contrib
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directory. Try export.lcs.mit.edu if you can't find it
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elsewhere.
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Licensing/Copyright etc.
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Copyright (C) 1989, 1990, 1993 by Kirk Lauritz Johnson. The
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copyright notice included states that xearth is freely
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redistributable so long as the copyright notice is left intact,
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and be included in documentation.
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Contributed by:
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Alan Cox, GW4PTS.
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Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@tc.cornell.edu
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Be sure to include Keywords: and a short description of your software.
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: SW Technologies
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Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 08:27:05 GMT
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In article <373rmu$bm0@pad-thai.cam.ov.com>,
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Jonathan I. Kamens <jik@cam.ov.com> wrote:
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>In article <3726hn$ihe@delphi.cs.ucla.edu>, edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (E. Robert Tisdale) writes:
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Not that I particularly want to get cuaght up in this mess, but i felt i
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aught to say something in Jonathan's defense. Bob said somethign in his
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post on the order of "so Martin didn't have enough money to cover the
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check. he evntually made good. Is that a crime?"
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The answer is yes, actually it is. Knowingly writing a check without the
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funds to cover it in the bank at the time of writing is referred to as
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'kiting'. It is not only considered VERY unethical business practices,
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but is actually illegal in a great many states (here in CA, ANYONE
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writing a bad check can be fined something like $200 or 10% of the check,
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whichever is greater.) I actually had an Uncle (I never met the man
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himself) sent to federal prison for repeatingly and knowingly writing bad
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checks (he was gambling-addict.)
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So the answer is yes. This action on the aprt of someone puporting to be
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involved in legitimate business IS both highly unethical and a crime. The
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fact that Jonathan says he has had others contact him who have had thier
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refunds bounce (and i at the moment don't see a good reason to doubt his
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sincerity) I woudl consider very disturbing. Actually if he had a
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documented pattern of this behavior and were REALLY vindictive, he could
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probobly contact the DA in whatever state the firm is doing business.
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(Actually, considering its cross state lines, its probobly in federal
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jurisdiction...)
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