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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 09:13:20 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #928
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Linux-Misc Digest #928, Volume #2 Thu, 13 Oct 94 09:13:20 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working (Andrew Tao)
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*** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.09) (Ian Jackson)
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Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Rick Kelly)
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Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Brad Matthew Garcia)
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Re: Weakest Linux Box (Steven Pritchard)
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Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Peter da Silva)
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Re: Word Processors for Linux (Boudewijn)
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Re: help computerize a library (J.J. Paijmans)
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Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm) (Sgt. Blumenkraft)
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Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Eric Silver)
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"more" quit working. HELP!!! (Tony Schwartz)
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Re: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!! (Mark 'Enry' Komarinski)
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Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Daniel Quinlan)
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Re: X-window help in Linux (please) (Warwick Allison)
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Re: SW Technologies (Jonathan I. Kamens)
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Where can I order Linux 3. (Keith Mandachit)
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Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Jeff Kesselman)
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From: Andrew Tao <drew@rahul.net>
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Subject: Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 16:38:48 GMT
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Eric Silver (silver.e@grin.io.org) wrote:
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: I tried several times to make the rz and rx part of MINICOM work.
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: I was trying to download a file from a UNIX BBS and the system
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: seems to just sit there. I can perform this same function using
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: DOS based PROCOMM PLUS. The order I do things in is;
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: $sz filename [Enter] from the shell prompt at the BBS
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: ctrl-a r
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: z [Enter]
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: filename typed in pop up box
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: Then the system just seems to sit there and no file is actually
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: transfered. I have checked the pathnames for valid entries.
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: Would some please let me know the specific keystokes to make
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: MINICOM downloading work properly.
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: Thanks,
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: Eric Silver
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--
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Andrew Tao <drew@rahul.net>
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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
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Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.09)
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:03:01 GMT
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Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
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which groups you should read and post to.
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Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
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hierarchy. See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted biweekly to
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comp.os.linux.announce.
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If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
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Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
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from another Linux FTP site. It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.
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In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
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The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
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particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.
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Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
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comp.os.linux.misc.
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Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
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that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
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Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
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/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.
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Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
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Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not a contribution to the development
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of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration
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- should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.
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Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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--
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Ian Jackson <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu> (urgent email: iwj@cam-orl.co.uk)
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2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 1223 64238
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
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Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
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Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 04:07:43 GMT
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Peter da Silva (peter@bonkers.taronga.com) wrote:
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: In article <MICHAELV.94Oct4095313@mindbender.headcandy.com>,
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: Michael L. VanLoon <michaelv@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> wrote:
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: >This should be taken with a large bucket of salt, however (as Terry
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: >Lambert points out), since none of the systems have had an official
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: >POSIX verification suite run on them.
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: Not to mention that in practical terms POSIX still means very little.
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: Most code is still written straight to System V or BSD semantics.
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For two reasons:
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1. There is no guaranteed subset of POSIX that is portable across all
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"UNIX" platforms.
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2. It can be a painful chase through docs and header files to force
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POSIX on some systems.
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--
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Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.com rmk@bedford.progress.com
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From: garcia@ece.cmu.edu (Brad Matthew Garcia)
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 11:08:59 GMT
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In article <37hgfh$71n@venera.isi.edu>,
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daniel@isi.edu (Daniel Zappala) writes:
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|>
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|> In article <37h24oINN15j@life.ai.mit.edu>,
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|> jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Palaima) writes:
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|> >
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|> > Hah. Apparently you didn't hear that the Am486 DX/2 66 could be safely
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|> > over-clocked to run at 80Mhz. All the DX2-80 is is a relabeled DX2-66.
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|> > That's why it's not much more expensive. It's the same chip. Anyone wanna
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|> > take bets that new 66Mhz chips will be "crippled" so they can't be over-
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|> > clocked? :)
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|> > --
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|>
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|> But a DX2-80 can't be just a relabeled, overclocked DX2-66. It's bus speed has
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|> to be 40 Mhz.
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|>
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|> Daniel
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I think that you are confused, Dan, between a relabled 66 MHz *system* and
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a relabled 66 MHz *cpu*. They simply put the 66 MHz chip on a 40 MHz
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motherboard (which is also accomplished by changing the speed of the
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motherboard) and... TADA! - a 486DX2-80!
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--
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Brad M. Garcia Carnegie Mellon University
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____/ ____/ ____/ Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
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__/ / __/ "The only Engineering department in the world where
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_____/ _____/ _____/ the secretaries have the most powerful computers."
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From: spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Steven Pritchard)
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Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 23:38:46 -0600
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hjl@nynexst.com (H.J. Lu) writes:
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>In article <37cj08$7m0@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, henslelf@henslelf.student.rose-hulman.edu (Linux Mac Daddy) writes:
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>|> I was just wondering who has the weakest Linux box? What I mean by this
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>|> is like anyone running Linux on a 386 with 3 megs of RAM... I've got a
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>|> 386sx-16 with 5 megs of RAM and it works great (tons faster than DOS).
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>|> If anyone has a "weaker" machine that runs Linux (and you actually use
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>|> it) let's hear it....
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>386sx/16 with 4 MB RAM. I am trying to upgrade and waiting for the price
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>to drop :-(.
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Well, I didn't actually *use* it, but I booted SLS on my 386SX/16 when it
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only had 2 meg. I waited for 2 more meg before installing it.
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To H.J.: Go buy a 386DX/40. I got one for $90 a while back, and it is
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*so* much faster. The SX/16 board now waits to replace a dead 286. (And
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the cycle begins again...)
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Steve
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--
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spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu | Southern Illinois Linux Users Group
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(618)549-8579 | Meetings the 1st and 3rd Mondays of every month.
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Steven Pritchard | http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~spritcha/home.html
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
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Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 03:18:14 GMT
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In article <37hcr1$8b6@pdq.coe.montana.edu>,
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Nate Williams <nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu> wrote:
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>Nope. Ultrix is probably the last of the commercial OS that is still
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>primarily BSD based (excepting BSDI's offering). However, it's being
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>phased out by OSF/1, so it's a dead-end OS as far as DEC is concerned.
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On the other hand I've several times pulled code out of the FreeBSD
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CDROM to replace buggy software shipped with OSF/1. Go figure.
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From: boud@rempt.xs4all.nl (Boudewijn)
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Subject: Re: Word Processors for Linux
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 18:35:41 CET
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Reply-To: boud@rempt.xs4all.nl
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In article <37g53a$lqv@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Alexandra Griffin
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(acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu) wrote on Re: Word Processors for Linux
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> Yes, what's the chance that someone might be able to get a hold of the
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> source to this abandoned product? It'd be a real shame if all the
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> work Lotus put in to it were to go down the drain, but they'll
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> probably be reluctant to give out the code on general principles...
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> :-(
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>
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> -- alex
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>
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Especially if it could get support for multiple character sets (not
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necessarily fonts, quite another thing) it would be ideal.
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--
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Boudewijn Rempt
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Kloosterstraat 34 1.2, 2021 VN Haarlem.
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't Gezichtje eerst, dan de handen,
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dan de bibben, en 't laatst de tanden.
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Mijnheer Dil, De tuinen van Dorr, Paul
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Biegel.
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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
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Subject: Re: help computerize a library
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Date: 11 Oct 1994 08:20:12 GMT
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In article <BOB.94Oct10122655@cocoa-puffs> bob@cocoa-puffs (Robert J. Chassell) writes:
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>Here is a chance to introduce GNU/Linux and other free software to
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>small libraries.
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...
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Bob, I tried to mail you, but my message bounced. In short: I am both a
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Linux-fan (obviously) and an Information Retrieval scientist. Could
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you please try to mail me at 'paai@kub.nl' and/or forward an email-address
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at which I may contact you?
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Hans Paijmans.
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From: Sgt. Blumenkraft
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Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
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Subject: Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm)
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Date: 11 Oct 1994 10:38:13 GMT
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Reply-To: kss1000@amtp.cam.ac.uk
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In article <374eh8$gle$2@heifetz.msen.com>,
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Noel Maddy <noel@garnet.msen.com> wrote:
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>Cameron Newham (cam@iinet.com.au) wrote:
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>: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts) writes:
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>
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>
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>: >My God. You make me feel like a newbie! My first Linux kernel was
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>: >0.98pl5, but I had only just taken delivery of my (then) shiny new
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>: >486-33 with 8Mb RAM, which I thought was the bee's knees at the time.
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>
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>: Don't feel like a newbie! I joined at 0.99pl12 (i think)
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>: (whatever one was released in May 1993) when I got my 486dx50.
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>
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>Well, I didn't get into it until 0.99pl15...again, when I got a
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>usable computer (DX2/50 for me). Sure love it though. I can hardly
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>wait until wine goes beta and I can dump my DOS/Windows pseudo-OS!
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>(I'd bet that Linux 1.x + wine 0.x will crash a lot less than
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>Windows 3.x! Just shows what version numbers *really* mean, huh? ;-)
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>
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None of you needs to feel bad: I am starting only NOW, on a 486/33/8MB !!
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And I haven't even figured out yet how to give the disk more than 4
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partitions (to have more swap and all), and how to go past the 1024th cyl.
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Nevertheless: good news that the best software is free.
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yours, Sgt. Blumenkraft
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: silver.e@nudge.io.org (Eric Silver)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 04:53:30 GMT
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Yan Xiao (yxiao@umabnet.ab.umd.edu) wrote:
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: We purchased Yggdrasil Fall 1994 Plug-and-Play recently,
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: and here are some of the problems we`ve encountered so far:
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: 1. Im-Pass-word: User cannot change password.
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: If you change password as a user, you will receive:
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: Can't open /etc/ptmp, can't update password
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: 2. More than you asked for: 'more' behaves strangely:
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: in console (non-X), you'll get segmentation fault.
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: in X's xterm, you'll have trouble scrolling.
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: The problem also affects 'appropos'.
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: 3. Plug-and-Play, no-plug, no-play: waning CD-ROM can be a challenge
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: We didn't install everything (has anyone?), thus we picked
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: packages we wanted from control-panel. Guess what, we still
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: have pointers to CD-ROM, such as /usr/X386/lib/libX11*.
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: As a posting earlier noted, unless you have only 10MB
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: on the hard disk, you may want to stay away from the
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: Plug-and-Play. It appears that yggdrasil (not entirely
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: improper) has spent much energy in creating a
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: Plug-and-Play, and much less so in creating a well- (or
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: ever-) tested Linux package.
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: The current yggdrasil CD is our second buy, and I can
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: see the decline in quality. I sincerely hope that folks
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: at yggdrasil keep up the spirit of Plug-'n-Play, while
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: at the same time improve quality.
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: Yan Xiao, University of Maryland at Baltimore.
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I bought this version three and half weeks ago as well.
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I was very impressed with the installation program (as compared to
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Unixware 1.1 AS). Very smooth and a hell of a lot more straightforward.
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HOWEVER,
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1.) I have yet to get minicom to download using zmodem although I
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can dial into my UNIX (BSD) Internet provider.
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Downloaded files using XMODEM protocol will not run, I get
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segement errors. These programs include unzip and joe .
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Yes, my settings are 8N1.
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2.) xmodem downloading adds a few hundred bytes to .joerc
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and other xmodem file transfers.
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3.) Simple text editors like joe (give me joe any day I don't
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use emacs, I don't use vi ) are NOT included. @#$%@!!
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THIS IS MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT!
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(If I had the joe editor I could have a least done
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other work). The joe editor is specifically mentioned
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in your install manual.
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4.) Mounting a dos disk and copying using the
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cp -p /mnt/unzip /home/root/unzip command results
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in a properly copied file BUT the binary can not execute.
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5.) Attempting to use getty according to documentation does
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not work. Therefore downloading known operating versions
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of files can not be accoplished.
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6.) Ethernet 3C509TP can not ping another workstation on the same
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LAN although Wollongong DOS drivers allow this.
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7.) No BBS software on the CD although mentioned in the Bible.
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(If you have room for dup_ramdisk etc, you got room for this.
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8.) No instructions in the manual on HOW to make Xwindows run from
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hda1 without having the /system_cd mounted.
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9.) The networking component is mentioned in your install manual
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(pg. 24) but is not available in the install_component list
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nor is it mentioned in the errata file, nor does it install
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properly from the Xwindows.
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10.) MS-DOS MSCDEX will not activate CDROM properly, and
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bootflpy.3in hangs after the letters 'LI' appear on the
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screen. (The story behind this is that UW 1.1 AS was used to
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copy this file and RAWRITE.EXE to a DOS PC. So that I could
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create a second install disk. The first install disk that came
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with the package operates fine.
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Other than these few insurrmountable hurdles, things are just ducky! NOT!
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Before yggdrasil dumps on me, yes I ftp'd errata from your ftp
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site 1 day after purchasing the package.
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I guess its my own fault. As consumers we should expect thirty-nine
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dollar performance from a $39.00 (plus tax) Unix. I'll be happy to
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post more problems as I come across them.
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Eric Silver
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From: tony@teleport.com (Tony Schwartz)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: "more" quit working. HELP!!!
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:55:43
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Recently my 'more' program quit working. I have tried several things with no
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success. When I type 'more filename', it simply goes to the next line. When
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I say "ls >more" I get a broken pipe error.
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This seems really stupid but it has me whooped. Any ideas???
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Tony
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From: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Enry' Komarinski)
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Subject: Re: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!!
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 14:08:11 GMT
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Steve Champagne (bubbly@dusk.fishkill.ibm.com) wrote:
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: Based on recent experience, I'd highly recommend Fintronic as a provider of
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: systems pre-configured with Linux. I purchased the following:
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[...]
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: Notes:
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: They said they'd ship 11 days after taking my order... and ended up missing
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: this by 10 days. They were, however, courteous enough to call before the
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: original ship date to let me know that it was being held up. The delay
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: seemed reasonable in light of their having recently gotten favorable press in
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: Byte magazine.
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: All hardware documentation (motherboard, harddrive, controller, video card,
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: tape drive, monitor) and related diskettes were included and well organized.
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: The latest version of a few Linux docs were also included.
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In nice big folders too if I recall correctly.
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[...]
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: One thing that really sticks in my mind (having dealt with "take the money and
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: run" suppliers in the past) is that they didn't bill my credit card until the
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: day they shipped the system.
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Agreed. I purchased a machine suitable for running a MUSH (486/66, 1GB, 32MB)
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for about $2900, and we received it within about 7 days. And it was good
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quality parts too. Genoa MB, Quantum HD, Adaptec, etc. Fired up as
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soon as we hit 'on'. We're quite pleased with it. If you want a turnkey
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system, Fintronic has a good deal.
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--
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- Mark Komarinski - komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
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"Sure we should sell California to the Japanese. It's going to fall into
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the ocean anyway." - Car Talk (on NPR)
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From: quinlan@freya.yggdrasil.com (Daniel Quinlan)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 03:37:30 GMT
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Reply-To: quinlan@yggdrasil.com
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Moises Lejter <mlm@cs.brown.edu> writes:
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> I installed Linux from the Yggdrasil Fall 94 CD on a Packard-Bell
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> 486SX33, with 8MB. When prompted for a swap partition, I declined to
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> specify one, since I planned to set one up later, "on top of" my
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> windows swap file. I attempted to install some of the software from
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> the CD-ROM to the disk, before setting up that swap partition - only
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> to have the install process (a) run incredibly slowly, and (b) fail.
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> Reason was that Linux was running out of memory...
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>
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> It might be nice to add a note to the doc that mentions that >8MB VM
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> are needed during the install process - I am pretty sure it is not...
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This is directly out of the Plug-and-Play manual:
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======= start of cut text ==============
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For a single user system, we recommended that the swap partion be large
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enough to give a total virtual memory size (RAM+swap) of at least 16 MB,
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possibly up to 32 MB. [...]
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======= end ============================
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Please read the manual during installation. In the future, we will make
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the recommendation more of a requirement.
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Of course, it is still quite possible to create a swap file manually
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during installation if you skip over the swap option...
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Dan
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--
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Daniel Quinlan <quinlan@yggdrasil.com>
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
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Subject: Re: X-window help in Linux (please)
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 07:21:25 GMT
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f_gerac@pavo.concordia.ca (Franco Gerace) writes:
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>Also, does anyone have any mwm-like system.fvwm configerations I could use.
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>There are a few in the slackware distribution, but I'm sure ther must be
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>some real hot ones out there.
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The ones with slackware are really UGLY! One that I tried (maybe all of
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them) had it configured to be like MeSs-Windows - click to type, and you
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had to top windows to do anything).
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Of course, my .fvwmrc is my pride and joy, but as usual, it is pining
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away at home while I'm at work.
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Do many Linux users use than MS-Windows crap (top and click to type)?
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--
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Warwick
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--
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_-_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au /
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/ * <-- Computer Science Department, / WIT SPACE TO LET
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\_.-._/ University of Queensland, /
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v Brisbane, Australia. /
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From: jik@cam.ov.com (Jonathan I. Kamens)
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Subject: Re: SW Technologies
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 12:56:52 GMT
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In article <37hl6k$4at@news.cais.com>, bass@cais2.cais.com (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer)) writes:
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|> Well if you consider this to be NOT RESPONSIBLE then....
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|>
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|> Selling merchandise at the lowest possible cost,
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|> Having very little profit margin,
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|> Working to insure linux runs on the platform,
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|> Trying hard to please every customer.
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I do not understand your point. There are vendors who do ALL of these things
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and yet manage to never bounce a refund check.
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--
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Jonathan Kamens | OpenVision Technologies, Inc. | jik@cam.ov.com
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From: keithm@rocket.cc.umr.edu (Keith Mandachit)
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Subject: Where can I order Linux 3.
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:33:55 GMT
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I want to order the Slackware version of linux on 3.5 inch disks
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I tried clark.net, but they nolonger sell the distribution
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Any ideas.
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thanks
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--
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==============================================================================
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Keith Mandachit (keithm@umr.edu) 467 Thomas Jefferson Hall South
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University of Missouri-Rolla Rolla, MO 65401
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Major: Electrical Engineering (314) 341-9509
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Minor: Computer Science "If you don't win, lose hard!"
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WWW Page: lynx http://www.umr.edu/~keithm
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 05:02:42 GMT
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In article <KNGUYEN.94Oct11163839@cwc4.cmts.mcl.bdm.com>,
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K.D. knguyen <knguyen@cwc4.mcl.bdm.com> wrote:
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>I bought Yggdrasil Linux CD Fall version last week. I tried to boot it by using
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>MSCDEX but it did not work. I am a little frustrated why there is no warning
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>from the cover that this MSCDEX is a experimental driver and it may not work
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>for all.
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I don't think it IS classified as experimental, do you have this from
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Yygdrasil, or is this your assumption because you failed to get it to work?
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If you have a memory manager in your config.sys, that could probobly
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screw you up. Have you stripped your config.sys down to nothing but
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your CD-ROM driver?
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> Next, I tried to boot Linux by using the bootflpy.phl (I have
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>the LMSI CM205 CD). It recognized the CD and say "LMSI CD Ready" but then
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>the boottrap program complaints about SONY CD31a and 525 and "Unable to mount
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>VFS". I got the errata, but there seems no fixes for these problems yet.
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If you have a sony 31a running off the sony driver, then you need the
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revision B boot disk and system stuff. Have you gotten that yet?
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(Its mentioned in the errata.)
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>There is any way that I can get the instructions to recompile the dosload
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>program and tried to figure out why runlinux.bat does not work for me. I tried
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>to look into why lmsci driver hangs the sony cd. Thanks alot.
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>--
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> ''' K.D. Nguyen
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> (o o) BDM Federal, Inc.
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>-----oOO--(_)--OOo----- knguyen@mcl.bdm.com
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>Xerox never comes up with anything original.
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>
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Sure they do. They just fail to market it, so Apple can rip it off!
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Jeff Kesselman
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