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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 23:13:19 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #961
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Linux-Misc Digest #961, Volume #2 Mon, 17 Oct 94 23:13:19 EDT
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Contents:
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Help! Screwed up Boot Sector! (Someone Short)
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Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Janne Sinkkonen)
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Re: Frame Maker for Linux! (Vincent Pagel)
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xgopher and term (Bill McCarthy)
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Re: Printing to postscript printer? (Harald Milz)
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Re: siscad (Harald Milz)
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Re: YOUR VERY OWN IDLE DAEMON (Harald Milz)
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Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea (Byron A Jeff)
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Line Drawing Characters (davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu)
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Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Adam J. Richter)
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PPP (Chat) problem! (Pat Cai)
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Re: What is Linux good for? (Andi Kleen)
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Re: Word processors for Linux? (Klamer Schutte)
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Stable kernel version opinion? (Marc Ewing)
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From: crowell@red.seas.upenn.edu (Someone Short)
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Subject: Help! Screwed up Boot Sector!
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Date: 14 Oct 1994 01:00:01 GMT
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I tried to install a new Boot Menu on my hard drive (which contains a
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Linux and a MSDos partition) and in the process screwed up the
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partition table (I think). When I run fdisk (in Linux) the logical
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start and physical start of the first partition (/dev/hda1, my Dos
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partition) are different. They should both be 1. It doesn't seem to
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be affecting my system any, since I can use both Dos and Linux. But
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I'd rather set it back to the way it should be. Does anyone know how?
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Please?
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Ryan
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crowell@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
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From: janne@avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (Janne Sinkkonen)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
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Date: 17 Oct 1994 19:27:34 +0200
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Alan Cox <iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk> wrote:
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>Linus is based on standard human wetware technology 8)
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Umm... you meen beerware? Well, that's de facto standard among
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students in Finland.
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Janne
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From: pagel@exupery.loria.fr (Vincent Pagel)
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Subject: Re: Frame Maker for Linux!
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Date: 17 Oct 1994 17:38:22 GMT
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Another POINT about sucking : when I see how Framemaker can slow down
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our Sparc10 or Hp735, I wonder if I'd really like to see the result on
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my 486DX-8Mo RAM .... FRAME is really HUGE
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Vincent Pagel ( pagel@loria.fr )
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From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy)
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Subject: xgopher and term
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Date: 16 Oct 1994 21:45:21 -0400
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Hiya:
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Looked around and couldn't find anything that fit the bill. Anyone point
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me to xgopher w/ term? TIA.
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Bill McCarthy
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bmccarth@gulfaero.com
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"Isn't it pretty to think so."
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TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________
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LinuX + i486dx2/66
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usual disclaimer
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From: hm@ix.de (Harald Milz)
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Subject: Re: Printing to postscript printer?
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Reply-To: hm@ix.de
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:52:09 GMT
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In comp.os.linux.misc, Brian Kwan (bkwan@bkwan.dircon.co.uk) wrote:
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> What is the best way to print to a postscript printer??
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lpr -P<printername> <file.ps>
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Or did I miss something? Did you mean "print postscript files to a
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non-postscript printer"? This one has been solved and described in
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the Printing-HOWTO.
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--
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George Orwell 1984. Northwestern 0.
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-- Chicago Reader 10/15/82
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--
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Harald Milz (hm@ix.de) WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
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iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
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Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover fax +49 (511) 53 52-378
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Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.
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From: hm@ix.de (Harald Milz)
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Subject: Re: siscad
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Reply-To: hm@ix.de
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:54:02 GMT
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In comp.os.linux.misc, Alexandra Griffin (acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu) wrote:
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> In article <37lse4$ir1@svin09.win.tue.nl>,
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> Student van Paul de Bra <debra32@wsinpa01.win.tue.nl> wrote:
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> >I've been looking for the siscad package at sunsite and at ftp.Germany.EU.net
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> >and I can't find it there !
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> >Where is it
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> FTP to ic.eecs.berkeley.edu:/pub/Sis; be sure to grab the "sis-temp"
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> file as well as the main source archive, since it contains needed
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> patches for Linux.
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There's a SISCAD entry in the Commercial-HOWTO which is still not
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on sunsite but on ftp.ix.de:/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Commercial-HOWTO*.
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--
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Murphy's Law of Research:
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Enough research will tend to support your theory.
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--
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Harald Milz (hm@ix.de) WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
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iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
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Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover fax +49 (511) 53 52-378
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Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.
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From: hm@ix.de (Harald Milz)
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Subject: Re: YOUR VERY OWN IDLE DAEMON
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Reply-To: hm@ix.de
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:56:08 GMT
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In comp.os.linux.misc, Cynon (crobinso@clam.rutgers.edu) wrote:
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> OK, what the Hell is an idle deamon?
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Something like BogoMips.
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--
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You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
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--
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Harald Milz (hm@ix.de) WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
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iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
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Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover fax +49 (511) 53 52-378
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Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.
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From: byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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Subject: Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea
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Date: 15 Oct 1994 04:16:45 GMT
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In article <37mu6e$4ou@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
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<davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu> wrote:
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>In article <37mion$kjm@solaria.cc.gatech.edu>, byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu
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>(Byron A Jeff) writes:
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> : I think we can integrate existing editor (JED), menu(dialog), mouse(the
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> : selection replacement of the Mouseless Commander), formatter (QuikScript),
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> : and renderer (GhostScript) into a workable system that can meet the basic
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> : wordprocessing demands of most folks.
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>
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>The fundamental question is how the buffer is going to be implemented---
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>what will the data structure look like. Fundamentally, a word processor and
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>an editor are very different. I suspect that the best choice for a data
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>structure for the WP would consist of a linked list of paragraphs. Perhaps
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>the paragraph should be implemented as a buffer gap. Also, how will the
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>character attributes be stored? Should we store an attribute with each
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>character? Should the data structure consist of a parallel stream of
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>attributes? Questions like this are going to be fundamental to the
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>development of the WP. I suspect that it is NOT a good idea to integrate an
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>existing editor into the WP.
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Idea: The data structure should be a list of document fragments. The document
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fragments are bounded by having the exact same attributes for each character
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in the fragment. So a line of text like this:
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This is normal <bold> And bold <italic> and bold italic <end_italic> <end_bold>
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Would have three fragments:
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1) This is normal
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2) And bold
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3) and bold italic
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You could even break fragments at line and page breaks.
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We could even meta-structure paragraphs over a contiguous set of fragments.
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The win is that since oftentimes long strings of characters have the
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same attribute the attribute need not be repeated over and over again.
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Also adding/deleting characters in the middle of a string doesn't affect
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the structure much.
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The problem is mapping the current cursor position and more importantly
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cursor movement to the fragment list.
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Also use UNICODE so that Richard doesn't blow a gasket! ;-)
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>The user interface should be fairly simple to implement. For example,
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>consider my S-Lang library. It already has routines for multiple keymaps,
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>keyboard tty input, Screen Managment Facility (with color), etc... In fact,
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>much of JED is interfaced to this library. The rest of JED consists of
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>routines to handle its representation of the buffer. Finally, I am also
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>working on a Text based window library for S-Lang. One could incorporate
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>this library into the WP to handle windows, Scroll bars, dialog boxes,
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>etc... to make it look pretty.
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Cool. A library with the basic elements is even better then trying to
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hack away at an existing completed editor.
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>But, the fundamental question remains: What will the representation of the
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>buffer look like?
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Comments on the above?
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>Finally, is this project worth doing?
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Yes.
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> How well does DOSEMU run Wordperfect?
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Fairly well.
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>Can it run Wordperfect over a serial line?
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It has sticking points with some of the function key assignments and some
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parts of the display missing but yes.
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> If we ever do get a WP for Linux
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>off the ground and functional, will it be better than Wordperfect running
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>under DOSEMU over a serial line? (I am emphasising serial line because I
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>would like to use something like it remotely from, e.g., a vt100)
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Yes. Here's why. DOSEMU+WordPerfect cannot be bundled as a simple package
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in any distribution. DOSEMU seems to need to be recompiled with every
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kernel revision, and WordPerfect must be purchased. So the setup time
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in addition to any standard Linux installation is substantial.
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Also as I pointed out before DOSEMU is flawless in console mode. However
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once you start trying to use it remotely some of its warts start to show
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due to a lack of keyboard and video mappings to remote keyboards and screens.
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Linux needs a wordprocessor that easy to use, runs out the box, and doesn't
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require a whole lot of additional tools to function, and works remotely
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on that vt100 you're talking about (which rules out EZ).
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I have SCO WordPerfect sitting in a box waiting for me to install it.
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All I have to do is upgrade my kernel, get the IBSC2 module, compile it,
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insmod it into my new kernel, Load Wordprefect, install it and then I'm
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ready to get started.
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On the other hand I wanted to look at JED which wasn't in the Slackware 1.2.0
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distribution but is in 2.0.X. I ftp'ed the package and un-tarred it. It ran
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perfectly. And fast too because of no emulation.
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An aside: have you tried the DOS version on JED under the emulator? You should
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and check to speed difference. BTW I haven't. Yet.
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I'm real sure about this project. It's a need.
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BAJ
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--
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Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
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Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
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Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu
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From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu
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Crossposted-To: comp.terminals,comp.unix.programmer
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Subject: Line Drawing Characters
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Date: 16 Oct 1994 03:02:27 GMT
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Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu
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Hi,
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After reading the man pages for termcap and terminfo as well as the
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termcap/terminfo book, I have come to the conclusion that termcap/terminfo
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has very little to say about line drawing characters and alternate character
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sets. It is my understanding that there are basically four termcap strings
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that must be considered:
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ac str graphic character set pairs aAbBcC -
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def=VT100
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ae str (P) end alternate character set
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as str (P) start alternate character set
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and another to initialize the alternate character set.
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Now, I understand each of these strings but I do not understand the
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relationship between the `ac' and the `ae/as' strings. If `ac' is given,
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then are the line drawing characters supposed to be in the alternate
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character set? What if `ac' is not given? Then do I assume that the
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terminal uses VT100 line drawing sequences? For the vt100, I have to switch
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to the appropriate alternative character set and then output `l', `m',
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etc... to get line drawing characters. For systems with the `ac' string
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defined, I output the charactor paired to `l', etc... Unfortunately, this
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does not work on all systems because some alternative character sets do not
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include the line drawing characters.
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Summary of my questions:
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1. If `ac' is not given, do I assume that there is no line drawing
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characters, or, as is suggested in the man page, do I assume VT100
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style line drawing?
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2. If `ac' is given, do I assume that the line drawing characters are in
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the alternate character set?
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This seems to be one of those little understood gray areas--- at least this
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is suggested by the lack of any clear documentation. I do not understand
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why it was not simply implemented as a boolean flag: either the terminal
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supports line drawing characters or not. If it does, do XXX to begin using
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these characters and do YYY to end the mode.
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Thanks.
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--
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#___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________
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#
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# internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu
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# bitnet: davis@ohstpy
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# office: 617-735-6746
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#
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From: adam@yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
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Date: 15 Oct 1994 03:47:59 GMT
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In article <37mnbm$dcv@genesis.mdd.comm.mot.com>,
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Roger Bicknell <bicknell@mdd.comm.mot.com> wrote:
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>I downloaded the revB vmlinux from ftp.yggdrasil.com and
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>RAWRITE'ed it to a floppy. I took this home and booted
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>from it. It did find my sony cdu33a cdrom. But the root
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>drive will not give me permission to write ANYTHING to it,
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>even as 'root' user - thus all fails.
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The boot floppy image is bootflpy-3.5-720k, not vmlinux.
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That is why you failed to boot linux. Also note, you must use a
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low density boot floppy. We do provide copies of the new boot
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floppies for free, by the way.
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In the future, rather than jumping to the conclusion that
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you have found an Yggdrasil bug and posting a long rant devoid
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of technical details like specific error messages, you might want to ask
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"am I doing something wrong?" If you think you have found a
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bug, then report it to us (as chapter 10 of the manual explains,
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we do not charge people to report bugs).
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--
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Adam J. Richter Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
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(408) 261-6630 "Free Software For The Rest of Us."
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From: patcai@cs.bu.edu (Pat Cai)
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Subject: PPP (Chat) problem!
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Date: 16 Oct 1994 02:55:18 GMT
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Hi,
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I have a strange problem using PPP. When I first boot my computer, I
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have no way to make PPP dial a number. I would have to exit and goto
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DOS/ms-windows to make a modem connection. Then when I come back to Linux,
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PPP behave perfectly.
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Is this a modem initialization problem? Thanks for the help.
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-- Pat Cai (patcai@csa.bu.edu)
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From: andi@golem.greenie.muc.de (Andi Kleen)
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Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:40:58 GMT
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Matthew B Shoemake (shoemake@cs.tamu.edu) wrote:
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> On with my questions. I am not yet using linux. I have tried OS/2,
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> DOS, Windows, and I am not happy with them. I am a UNIX fan and am
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> thinking of giving linux a shot. Here are a few things I'd like to
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> know before I go through with the deed:
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> 1) I read that Linux can run some DOS executables using DOSEMU, but I
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> also read that there is no support for Windows exectuables yet. But I
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> have also seen mention of Windoze. So do we support Windows
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> executables or not? (Trying to decide whether to keep a partion with
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> DOS and Win on it.)
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You can run Windows 3.0 in Real-Mode in DosEmu or you can wait for
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Wine. Wine is a windows abi emulator (like Sun's WABI) which is
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currently in development. At the moment it can't run any of the mayor
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Windows applications like WinWord, WP etc (look at the FAQ in
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comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine). But in a year or so this might be
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different. So keep your DOS/Windows partition.
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> 2) I read that I can use Ghostscript to print non-ASCII files, such as
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> PS files to my HP Deskjet 500. Can anyone verify that this works
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> well?
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On my Deskjet 520 it works well.
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> 3) I'd like to get a little feed back on the speed of using xterms and
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> X windows that are executing on remote machines using a 14.4Kbps modem
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> and Xfree86 with linux. I will be doing this a lot so its efficiency
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> is a major concern in my decision whether to switch to linux or not.
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X-Window over a 144k modem line? I don't think that's a good idea..
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-Andi
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--
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|andi@golem.greenie.muc.de Nonsense is better than no sense at all.
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|Andi Kleen@2:2480/440.12 -NoMeansNo, 0+2=1
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|PGP-Key available.
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From: klamer@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Klamer Schutte)
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Subject: Re: Word processors for Linux?
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:37:10 GMT
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In <37u1rf$at8@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
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:I'm coming to the conclusion that we're going to need multiple tools in order
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:to come close to solving everyone's problems:
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:1) A X based WYSIWYG English WordProcessor. EZ seems to fill this slot.
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:2) A X based WYSIWYG Multilingual WP. This product does not exist. Someone
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: must write it. I have no idea how feasible it is to do? Richard, Michael?
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:3) A text based, non WYSIWYG English WordProcessor. This is my proposed
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: application. It's definitely doable.
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:4) A text based, non WYSIWYG Multilingual WP. Is this possible?
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:
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:Lastly we'll probably need a suite of conversion tools to convert existing
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:document formats into the formats for the above tools.
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:I'm almost convinced that one application cannot solve the whole problem.
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:I think we need to start thinking about splitting the job into multiple
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:tools. Let's separate the discussions by tagging the type:
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:(WYSIWYG, not ML)
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:(TEXT, not ML)
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:(WYSIWYG, ML)
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:(TEXT, ML)
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:in the subjects so that each group can focus on the type of WP needed instead
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:of arguing what features the supposed global WP needs.
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Well, you make it more complicated then it should be. The 'not ML'
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parts are covered by the 'ML' parts, so this does not have to be done
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twice. And WYSIWYG vs. TEXT is just a matter of the display part of the
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program -- not the most difficult part, if you want to clone the best of
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TeX and Ms-Word.
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So you basically need only one program ('ML') with two display backends :
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WYSIWYG and TEXT.
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--
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Klamer Schutte -- +31-15-786054 / +31-15-692000
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klamer@ph.tn.tudelft.nl / schutte@tpd.tno.nl
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http://www.ph.tn.tudelft.nl:2000/People/klamer/Klamer.html
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From: redhat@netcom.com (Marc Ewing)
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Subject: Stable kernel version opinion?
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 00:01:44 GMT
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We are putting the finishing touches on our CD-ROM distribution
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and I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the stability
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of some of the more recent kernels.
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Our install procedure allows you to use multiple kernel versions,
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and right now we have 1.0.9 and 1.1.18. Version 1.1.53 has been
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a little bit troublesome and may not make the cut. What version
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do you think is the latest, most stable release?
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Thanks for your opinions,
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Marc
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