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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 04:13:16 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #963
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Linux-Misc Digest #963, Volume #2 Tue, 18 Oct 94 04:13:16 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: sony CDU33A / DMA / IRQ (Andy Bailey)
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Re: Weakest Linux Box (Christopher M. May)
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programming each pixel of a vga/ega screen in Linux (Pritish Shah)
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Re: nedit for Linux? (C. Chan)
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Re: SCO vs Linux (Lewis Tanzos)
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Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm) (Starblood)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (READ THIS!) (Byron A Jeff)
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Re: getty/uugetty problems in slackware (BUG REPORT) (Jay Jones)
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Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Roger Bicknell)
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Word processor design/separate versions (Michael Babcock)
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Subject: Re: sony CDU33A / DMA / IRQ
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From: bailey9@muvms6.wvnet.edu (Andy Bailey)
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Date: 17 Oct 94 11:33:48 EDT
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In article <7Cadk0ytA5US073yn@ritz.mordor.com>, rsmurf@ritz.mordor.com (Rasta Smurf) writes:
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> In article <37ftts$3lk@news.delphi.com>,
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> taineg@news.delphi.com (TAINEG@DELPHI.COM) wrote:
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>> does the current kernel provide irq/dma support for the sony cdu-33a CD?
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>> i know it supports access via a polling driver but can find no ifo
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>> regarding the interupt driven access.
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If you'll edit linux/drivers/block/cdu31a.c, you can include IRQ support. You
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dont want DMA on a doublespeed drive though.
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>>
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>> thanks,
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>> taine
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>>
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>
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> I've been having problems with this drive under Linux. I can
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> install it fine from CD, but once I'm up and running I'm unable to read
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> a CD or change directory to the drive. Thinking of going SCSI. Hope you
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> can figure out what's wrong or maybe there's a kind soul who can provide
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> the answer.
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The stock kernel on your system after an installation does not include
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support for the cdu31a or 33a. You'll need to recompile your kernel to include
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cdu31a and is9660 support.
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From: cmay@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Christopher M. May)
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Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 07:06:36 GMT
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: To H.J.: Go buy a 386DX/40. I got one for $90 a while back, and it is
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: *so* much faster. The SX/16 board now waits to replace a dead 286. (And
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: the cycle begins again...)
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Wouldn't a 486SLC33Mhz board be faster? Upgradeability is
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not really possible on these though :(.
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These boards are cheap, around $100.
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--
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-Chris May, Computer Science, University of MA, Amherst
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- Technical Assistant, P.C. Maintenance Lab
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From: pritish@nic.cic.net (Pritish Shah)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
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Subject: programming each pixel of a vga/ega screen in Linux
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Date: 17 Oct 1994 22:22:08 GMT
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Hello all,
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I am trying to write a display system on Linux that will display
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different messages on the vga/ega screen using different fonts and
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different attributes. I was informed that there might be something called
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getpixel/putpixel function that could work for the screen.
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Any help would be appreciated. This is for my project at school.
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Pritish
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--
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**********************************************************************
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Pritish M Shah * Contact: Phone 1-313-998-6700
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#include <standard_disclaimer.h> * Fax 1-313-998-6105
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http://www.cic.net/~pritish/ * email pritish@cic.net
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From: chan@alfrothul.uchicago.edu (C. Chan)
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Subject: Re: nedit for Linux?
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:41:38 GMT
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In article <37p4bc$nki@clarknet.clark.net>, Marc Fraioli <mjf@clark.net> wrote:
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>In article 4ga@kisa.seanet.com, blane@seanet.com (Brian Lane) writes:
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>>Frank Conway (fconway@chs.mb.ca) wrote:
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>>: I have recently dicovered an editor for my Sun called nedit.
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>>: Source code is available. I really like this editor, and
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>>: will be porting it to Linux for home use.
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>>
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>>: Has anyone already done this? If so, I won't waste my time.
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>>
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>>
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>> NEdit's home site is ftp.fnal.gov in /pub/nedit/v3_1
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>>
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>> in the contrib directory is a Makefile.linux, so it's already been
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>>done(pretty trivial).
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>>
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>> The catch is that it needs Motif, which isn't free. Anyone want to
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>>tackle a free Motif compatible X library?
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>>
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>Someone is already doing it. It's in the Linux Projects FAQ, and I
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>think it's called the Xu lib and Widget set or something similar. In
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>the interim, how about somebody who has Motif for Linux making a static
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>binary of nedit like was done for Mosaic? Any volunteers?
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>
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>---
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>Marc Fraioli | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- "
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>mjf@clark.net | - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
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> | Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War
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>
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>
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I have done so on LINUX 1.1.45 with Motif 1.2.4a from ACC,
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nedit 3.1, statically. The compile went w/o a hitch.
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According to the license agreement, I am allowed to distribute
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programs which are statically linked to the Motif libs, but
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not of course the libs themselves.
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Please don't email me asking for the nedit binaries. I thought
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someone had already uploaded a Linux binary of nedit to fnal
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already. If not, I'll ftp my binary over into the incoming
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directory, and you can retrieve it from there.
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Nedit is cool, much friendlier than emacs for beginners, speedier
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in loading up, and pretty customizable. By the way, the N stands
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for Nirvana.
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On a related note: any high energy physicists out there who use
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the CERN libraries and apps? I want to port PAW++ (a data analysis
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program) to Linux, but am stymied by having to wade through
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the conversion from Fortran and its CERN extensions. Some Russian
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dudes have ported PAWX11 which doesn't use Motif widgets, so
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I know it can be done.
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--
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C. Chan <chan@alfrothul.uchicago.edu> | " Proud to be a chordate! "
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From: lewis@ds9.lesn.lehigh.edu (Lewis Tanzos)
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Subject: Re: SCO vs Linux
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Date: 17 Oct 1994 22:42:44 GMT
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In article <37ub3u$dcg@nntp.Stanford.EDU> rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (RNA) writes:
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>From a performance point of view, which has more going for it?
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Got me.
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>What if you could get SCO for free?
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I'd still get Linux, unless SCO released the source.
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--
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Lewis Tanzos - ljt3@ds9.lesn.lehigh.edu - ljt3@lehigh.edu
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From: we47932@vub.ac.be (Starblood)
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Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
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Subject: Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm)
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 07:07:29 GMT
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Tim Cutts (tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
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: we47932@vub.ac.be (Starblood) writes:
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: >(ccnet.ccnet.com>
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: >Organization: Brussels Free Universities (VUB/ULB), Belgium
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: >Distribution:
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: >What are you guys talking about?? I think nobody will beat me. My first
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: >linux system will probably be Slackware 5.0. That will probably be the
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: >first release that supports the IBM PS/2 architecture :(.
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: Well, look on the bright side. You're using the only architecture
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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: that'll run OS/2 properly, so fair's fair. :-)
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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WHAT??? OS/2 running properly on PS/2 architecture?? When?? Who told you
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that??
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I can't seem to run it on my PS/2!!
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--
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\ \
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\ \_____________________________
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( ------- | --------------------------------------
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( ( ) _____________| ----- Tourwe Tom |
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( ( ) / | |
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( ------- / | 2nd year of Computer Science |
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| | | FREE UNIVERSITY OF BRUSSELS |
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| | | e-mail: we47932@is1.vub.ac.be |
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|________| |________________________________|
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``It's not a case of telling the truth
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Some lines just fit the situation
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Call me a liar ...
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You would anyway..''
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From: byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (READ THIS!)
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Date: 18 Oct 1994 00:00:41 GMT
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In article <1994Oct17.165059.10142@news.cs.indiana.edu>,
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Eric Jeschke <jeschke@cs.indiana.edu> wrote:
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-byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
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-:Because of the audience. Typical conversation.
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-:(NU: Newbie User, LE: Linux Enthusiast)
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-:Senario after a brand new Linux installation on NU machine.
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-:LE: See. With Linux you can have multiple users, multiple tasks, all at the
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-: same time.
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-:NU: Ok where is the Wordprocessor?
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-LE: Linux has its own wordprocessor "foo". See you just have to
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-learn this completely new wordprocessor under this completely new
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-operating system.
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-NU: But, I'm used to MS Word. I don't want to learn a completely
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-new word processor. Take all this off my machine!!
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I've dealt with that also. However with the other tools (editors, spreadsheets
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and the like) that wasn't the reaction I got out of most folks.
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I still contend that if there is a native wordprocessor and it's simple
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(point and click / function key interface) that most folks won't put up
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too much of a complaint. At least I'm hoping ;-)
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====================================================================
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-Note: I have nothing against writing a native wordprocessor for Linux.
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-Great idea, go for it.
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-I just think that a DOS/Windows person is not going to be converted
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-to Linux by the fact that it has a new, minimally functional word processor.
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-As many people have pointed out, there are already several choices
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-(ez, doc, tex, groff, iBCS/*) for word processing/typesetting
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-under Linux. What are you creating that is going to make Linux more
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-attractive to DOS refugees?
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Sure it will. I deal with a lot of people that use Wordprocessors. Frankly
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most don't use but 10% of the features. If we can put those 10% of the features
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plus another 5% or so (the minimally functional) then current Wordprocessor
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users will find it useful and therefore attractive.
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The key point is that not having it makes Linux unattractive. I've heard
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over and over again that "Linux is just an OS, it has no applications."
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And the cover for emulation is "I can can just run it native under XXX,
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why should I switch?" A Wordprocessor is the type of tool that can be
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shown as a Linux tool. And because of the underlaying OS you'll automatically
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get new features like remote WP and printing and the like.
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-If the answer is "nothing" then just admit: I want a text mode native
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-wordprocessor for Linux users.
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The answer is more than nothing. I do want it. Sometimes I need to create
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a document with minimal formatting very quickly. Since I don't use LaTeX
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enough to keep everything current I would find it simpler to just run
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a simple wordprocessor and bang it out.
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-If and when wine delivers and you can run a Windows wordprocessor under
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-Linux--THAT's when you will have a nicely baited hook for DOS fishies...
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It's not a baited hook. You'll have to find another reason to get the
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user to convert. The fact that it runs their Windows applications just
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keeps them from running away.
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BAJ
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--
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Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
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Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
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Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu
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From: jjones@dynalynx.wa.com (Jay Jones)
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Subject: Re: getty/uugetty problems in slackware (BUG REPORT)
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Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 23:06:52 GMT
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Joe Rhett (jrhett@netcom.com) wrote:
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: A _LOT_ of people who get Slackware complain about not getting
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: the getty_ps package to work correctly. I fought it round and round,
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: until I got the source code, and found these things...
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I found the same information. Actually I cam accross another strange
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thing. Once I got my uugetty configured right and working properly, I
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removed the -D??? and the program stopped working! It will monitor the
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modem, answer when called, but as soon as it gets the CD it drops the
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TR line and re-sets itsself! The ONLY way that I have been able to get
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it to continue to work is to leave a -D010 parameter on it (Minimal
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debug, but still creates ever growing log files). Anyone have any clues
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to resolve this?
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Jay
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From: bicknell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Roger Bicknell)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
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Date: 15 Oct 1994 12:49:29 -0700
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In <37njdf$6ks@freya.yggdrasil.com> adam@yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter) writes:
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>In article <37mnbm$dcv@genesis.mdd.comm.mot.com>,
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>Roger Bicknell <bicknell@mdd.comm.mot.com> wrote:
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::I downloaded the revB vmlinux from ftp.yggdrasil.com and
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::RAWRITE'ed it to a floppy. I took this home and booted
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::from it. It did find my sony cdu33a cdrom. But the root
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::drive will not give me permission to write ANYTHING to it,
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::even as 'root' user - thus all fails.
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: The boot floppy image is bootflpy-3.5-720k, not vmlinux.
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:That is why you failed to boot linux. Also note, you must use a
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:low density boot floppy. We do provide copies of the new boot
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:floppies for free, by the way.
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Wonderful. I will try this.
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: In the future, rather than jumping to the conclusion that
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:you have found an Yggdrasil bug and posting a long rant devoid
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:of technical details like specific error messages, you might want to ask
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:"am I doing something wrong?" If you think you have found a
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:bug, then report it to us (as chapter 10 of the manual explains,
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:we do not charge people to report bugs).
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Sorry about that. I did not jump to any such conclusion; and I
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had _always_ thought that it was *I* who was doing something wrong. Aside
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from the revA problem with the cdrom, I thought that it was *my* ignorance
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that was the problem. I _do_ appreciate every little bit of the help that
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you and all others can provide here, and I never meant to cast aspersions
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against Yggdrasil (I specifically referred to "Linux").
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While I _am_ frustrated with the attempts to get this all up and
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running, my "rant" was only meant in a humourous way. I'm disappointed
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that wasn't perceived that way. <sigh>
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Also, I _do_ think that Yggdrasil has offered a wonderful product
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(ie. massive offering and a good price) and I have shown it around at
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work. I will be picking up another copy for a work mate, and we are currently
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considering purchasing another two copies for our lab pcs (depending upon
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my success with my home unit ;) My plan all along was to use this experience
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to teach myself (and our team at work) more about the intricacies of Unix -
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so I had kept all this in mind [the difficulties in installing a pd os]
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when coosing Linux.
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Thanks for your help (now and in the future ;)
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-r. "oh no! you've gone and raised my hopes again!" bickles
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bicknell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Roger Bicknell)
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Remember: "Guns don't kill people and GNU is Not Unix." =]
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From: michael@selway.umt.edu (Michael Babcock)
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.software.international
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Subject: Word processor design/separate versions
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Date: 17 Oct 1994 18:10:49 -0600
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My opinion is that we shouldn't separate it into different projects,
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but we absolutely should modularize it. I don't think we need a
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totally separate X and text version. Most code would be the same, just
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the display and input would be different. (This may be quite a bit
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though I guess ).
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Basically, the X version would strive for perfect WYSIWYG and the text
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display module could only approximate this. As for multi-lingual display
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in text mode, this too could just be seen as: text-mode doesn't give
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as good of approximation as X. There is also talk of unicode support
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for the linux console. This could be taken advantage of if needed, but
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of course wouldn't be required.
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In the same way, we don't need separate English and multi-lingual
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versions. As I said, I don't think it is too hard to have the
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flexibility for multi-language support from the beginning. We don't
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expect you to get it all working, just make sure WE can do it without
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writing a WP from scratch. Richard already mentioned the issues
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involved in this, and they're not that big a deal. As he and I said,
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just using good programming techniques and you will naturally be doing
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the right thing.
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For example, you wouldn't just use 2 bits for character attributes
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'cause you KNEW you were only going to have bold and/or italic chars.
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Then when you wanted underline you have to rewrite a bunch if you made
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lots of assumptions on this. So you may want to add a "language"
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attribute or better just make attributes easily extendable.
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I'd really like to hear some discussion about the overall design of a
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word processor. I feel out of my league here -- never had any formal
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education that seems to apply (have only taken 3 semesters of CS
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courses so far). So a lot of my questions are probably naive, but to
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get some talk going here are some random thoughts:
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How is a document structured? It has pages and various objects on
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them. Text. Tables. Pictures. Movies... Obviously to be manageable we
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have to use some OO techniques so each object knows what to do with
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itself. If we spend all the time getting movies to work, we just are
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wasting our time. Let those who want to add movies do it, but make it
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easy to add. So a document is some kind of container. I believe andrew
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does something like that. The objects have some kind of position (x,y)
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on the page but the order they are listed doesn't seem to matter.
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Maybe we have to worry about z-order though -- different layers. Maybe
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complicated.
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But I wonder if this is totally wrong. Pages are okay when you are
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designing a couple page brochure, but when I write a document I don't
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want to worry about separate pages. I just want it to flow, and then
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the program separates it into pages automatically. How would this be
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done? Would there be a "main track" that was the text and other stuff
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is somehow attached to this like a time-line??? Or is this promoting
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text too much as a special object?
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But hell we're talking about a "word" processor! Why do we need to
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worry about all this? I think we do because people ARE going to want
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to use tables and headers.. and to deal with those we may have to deal
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with many of these issues, so we might as well make it flexible.
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Text format. A WP is really different from an editor. In an editor you
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see the end of a line as something with a carriage return. In a wp a
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line is a fundamental property of text, regardless of how it is
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displayed. Andrew/ez really seem to fall down here in their
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"WYSIWYGness". Paragraphs are made up of lines of text (or are they
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made up of characters)? The paragraph formatting determines the line
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breaks in the paragraph.
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There are certain formatting items that are not part of paragraph
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formatting but rather span many paragraphs. Microsoft Word (will wash
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mouth out later..or wash typing fingers?) has the idea of "section" to
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group this stuff together (like number of columns and
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headers/footers).
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Characters have attributes. But does each character have its own
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attribute or do we have some idea of regions? I don't know how to do
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this. It is easy think about (and perhaps implement) if each character
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is a separate object. Is it necessary to have the document in its most
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efficient form in memory? I assume a different format will be used for
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disk storage. We also have to decide whether to limit the document
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size to virtual memory or to implement some kind of virtual scheme of
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our own so we can edit really huge files. The former is okay probably.
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When we insert characters, what attributes do we assign to the
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inserted characters? Those of the surrounding text? What about pasting
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some formatted text into the document. What formatting should be
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retained and what should change to match the surrounding text?
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Anything?
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The file format. I think most people agree that plain text is best. If
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it turns out we need a binary format to get maximum speed it could be
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added later I suppose. It's very low priority and I hope it isn't
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necessary. I would like to see the main text of the document be
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separated from all the control codes/attributes/formatting stuff. This
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way, in an emergency, the file would just contain a little junk at the
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beginning or end, but the main text could be easily recovered without
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access to any WP or special tools.
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As for the character set of the file, probably something like UTF-8
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would be the best. This will just look like ASCII for people who use
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that, but can also represent all of Unicode. It is not as space
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efficient as wide chars if you use other languages though. Disk
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storage directly in wide chars is probably too radical at this time;
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for one thing, there are endian issues.
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Printing. Ghostscript supports many printers, so producing postscript
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may be adequate. As always, this should be modularized so we can
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changed it easily if necessary. I am a little worried about the
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multilingual part here though. Can ghostscript handle this?
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Multilingual. Okay we've heard about this before. Decouple input...
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One thing that confuses me though is languages and fonts. Normally,
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you have a font that has all characters in it. But this is not
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reasonable for the number of characters in Unicode, and it wouldn't
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make sense anyway as different font styles don't have correspondence
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among the languages Unicode supports. So we can't just change some
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text in a document to ANY font, because some language in that text
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might not have support from that font. But we do want to have as much
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flexibility as possible in changing fonts.
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Also, although there are free fonts available for most languages, most
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aren't scalable. This could make programming more awkward, especially
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for printing.
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Comments on these dumb ramblings? If I'm just too far behind everyone
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else, please recommend something I can read to catch up! I don't even
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know what subject would cover this type of stuff. Thanks.
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Michael Babcock
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michael@selway.umt.edu
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