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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@news-digests.mit.edu>
To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu
Reply-To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 92 10:15:21 EST
Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #132
Linux-Activists Digest #132, Volume #1 Sat, 21 Mar 92 10:15:21 EST
Contents:
X for linux? (Edward J.M. Colbert)
Re: Some questions (setterm, make, gcc, kermit, etc.) (Johan W}hlin)
386 BSD and linux (Jiansheng Zhao)
lp support for Linux 0.95a (R. Ramesh)
50 line mode problems, limits.h help. (Karl R. Buck)
Re: 50 line mode problems, limits.h help. (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Help with installing Linux (Paul R. Taylor)
Re: Help with installing Linux (RLL) (Paul R. Taylor)
Syntax of as of Minix, as86 of Linux (Heien-Kun Chiang)
Re: Help! Can't create file system.. (tony@vax.oxford.ac.uk)
Re: 33MHz vs 8Mhz (Budi Rahardjo)
misc questions (trying to compile mail stuff) (Budi Rahardjo)
Re: Something writes kernel memory where it shouldn't (Mika Pekka Liljeberg)
Re: .95a HD prob. (Mika Pekka Liljeberg)
Reading Floppy (Court Demas)
noisy hd resolved (Rodney Armstrong)
color ls & misc. (Greg Lee)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: colbert@astro.umd.edu (Edward J.M. Colbert)
Subject: X for linux?
Date: 20 Mar 92 22:50:45 GMT
Does anyone know of a port of X windows to linux of 386BSD or some
other 386 unix-like operating system?
Of course I am interested in a "free" version (especially a linux port),
but I am also curious about the commercial products.
Ed.
------------------------------
From: d88-jwn@dront.nada.kth.se (Johan W}hlin)
Subject: Re: Some questions (setterm, make, gcc, kermit, etc.)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1992 16:52:42 GMT
In article <1992Mar20.044610.19110@muddcs.claremont.edu> jwinstea@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Mar20.035922.25163@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
>>0.95a runs perfect. Some info :
>
>That's good to hear!
>
>>- the install scripts didn't change my /etc/rc
>
>They aren't designed to change your /etc/rc. What they should do,
>however, is warn you that you may need to change some things. I did
>this because with the utilities on the root disk, there's no neat way
>to modify the /etc/rc, and if you're like me, your /etc/rc has been
>customized to a fair degree (to mount partitions, set up the hostname,
>etc.)
>
I use a rc.local which is called at the end of rc. That way it's safe
to install another rc. You just need to add the extra line that calls
rc.local
/Johan
------------------------------
From: zhao@unixg.ubc.ca (Jiansheng Zhao)
Subject: 386 BSD and linux
Date: 21 Mar 92 02:26:27 GMT
I certainly will stay with linux and I am happy with linux 0.95a, thanks
to Linus and those involved.
I tried 386BSD boot-floppy on three different 386 machines, for two of
them, drive A: was being read forever, the third one boot and panic
and automatically re-boot, ...... .
I don't have a math co-processor, and DOS HAS to be on the same dirve.
Also, I like bash under linux (alias, history etc.) and virtual console.
------------------------------
From: ramesh@utdallas.edu (R. Ramesh)
Subject: lp support for Linux 0.95a
Date: 21 Mar 92 03:00:16 GMT
Hi:
I remember reading that you could use the lp.12 patches to get lp support
on 0.95a. So I tried it today. But alas, something happened somewhere and the
kernel I got complaint a lot about General Protection errors (the thing
that used to be very common in 0.95) and said NO lp! :-(
So I rebooted (not a cold boot) with the old kernel but still I got the GPE's.
Only after switch-off-on sequence with the old kernel solved the problem.
Has any one succeeded in getting lp patch to work? If so, did you hand patch
all the files? Again, if so, can you post/e-mail the diff with fresh 0.95a.
Any help would be appreciated.
Ramesh
------------------------------
From: kxb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Karl R. Buck)
Subject: 50 line mode problems, limits.h help.
Date: 21 Mar 92 03:35:18 GMT
I've installed 0.95a and I'm very pleased. The install scripts are a
major improvement! Great work!
Now a question: I am running a mono-vga in 50 line mode and really
like it. I do have a problem with kermit not using all the lines and
not resetting the terminal to its original state. I've played with
setterm, but with no results. Is there any easy way to get kermit to
use all 50 lines?
Second, I know it is in the newgcc.faq, but I still can't seem to find
limits.h. Where is it? Thanks.
--
Karl Buck, kxb@matt.ksu.edu :)
------------------------------
From: jwinstea@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Subject: Re: 50 line mode problems, limits.h help.
Date: 21 Mar 92 04:03:29 GMT
In article <kslbnmINNf72@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kxb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Karl R. Buck) writes:
>I've installed 0.95a and I'm very pleased. The install scripts are a
>major improvement! Great work!
Thanks! (Really, though, I wish someone would complain - the only bad
thing I've heard is that the install script doesn't handle the case
where /usr is a mounted partition.)
>Now a question: I am running a mono-vga in 50 line mode and really
>like it. I do have a problem with kermit not using all the lines and
>not resetting the terminal to its original state. I've played with
>setterm, but with no results. Is there any easy way to get kermit to
>use all 50 lines?
I assume you're having problems once connected someplace (such as your
school's computer), in which case the other end has to know you have
50 lines available. If the other machine is a Unix box, that's easy:
use stty on that machine. (stty rows 50). I'll agree that 50-line
mode is simply wonderful. Whenever I have to use 25-line mode (less
and less :), the gargantuan letters bug the heck out of me.
Also, for those keeping score: I rebuilt the kernel with the Finnish
keyboard, *again*. This makes every kernel since 0.11. I swear, I
thought I changed it this time, but it changed itself back. Gremlins,
that's what it is....
--
Jim Winstead Jr. (CSci '95) | "Catch a fish!"
Harvey Mudd College | -Geddy Lee,
jwinstea@jarthur.Claremont.EDU | San Diego Sports Arena
Disclaimer: Mine, not theirs! | January 20, 1992
------------------------------
From: taylor@oswego.Oswego.edu (Paul R. Taylor)
Subject: Help with installing Linux
Date: 21 Mar 92 04:38:19 GMT
Reply-To: taylor@oswego.Oswego.edu (Paul R. Taylor)
All:
I am having problems getting linux installed on my personal machine
and was wondering if anyone can help me out. I have been working
with Linux on the machine at work for about a month now. but I can't
seem to be able to get anyplace with installing it on my machine
at home.
Here's the setup.
Machine: BSR 386SX/16
Memory: 4 MB
Floppies: Drive A: 1.2MB 5.25"
Drive B: 1.44MB 3.5"
Hard Drives: Drive C: Plus HardCard IIXL
Drive D: Seagate ST1106 (RLL)
Controller: Floppy: On Motherboard
Drive D: Seagate ST-21/22
Here's the problem:
I can boot linux fine and run off of floppies (either one)
when I run fdisk it just returns (NO ERROR, Nothing printed
at all). What I think is happening is that it is not even
seeing either of the hard disks, I do NOT know why? I can
understand it not knowing about the HardCard, but Does anyone
know of any reason why it is not finding the RLL drive?
I have heard of other people running off of RLL drives,
is it just the particular card that I have? can someone
offer some assistance and a possible soloution to this
problem?
Thanks for any assistance that anyone can give me.
Paul
P.S. Before someone else suggests it, I have tried using the
RLL drive as C: and the HardCard as D: and I end up with
the same results.
Paul R. Taylor Systems Programmer
PHONE: (315) 341-3055 12A Snygg Hall
BITNET: TAYLOR@SNYOSWVA Instructional Computing Center
INTERNET: taylor@oswego.oswego.edu SUNY Oswego, Oswego,NY 13126
------------------------------
From: taylor@Oswego.EDU (Paul R. Taylor)
Subject: Re: Help with installing Linux (RLL)
Date: 21 Mar 92 04:47:02 GMT
Reply-To: taylor@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Paul R. Taylor)
I forgot to mention in my previous posting, that I have tried
to get the install to work with versions 0.12, 0.95, and 0.95a
Paul
------------------------------
From: hcg6805@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Heien-Kun Chiang)
Subject: Syntax of as of Minix, as86 of Linux
Date: 21 Mar 92 05:05:45 GMT
Hi there,
Can anyone please tell me where can I get a documentation of the syntax
of the assembler of PC Minix (asld), and the syntax of as86 of Linux.
I posted the request for obtaining the syntax of assembler of Minix in comp.os.minix twice and got no responses for two weeks.
Please help!
------------------------------
From: tony@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Help! Can't create file system..
Date: 20 Mar 92 23:30:55 GMT
In article <IdllSrm00VoqAPgVMt@andrew.cmu.edu>, cd2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Court Demas) writes:
>
> I (finally) got Linux 0.95 to actually boot, but I'm having problems
> creating the file system with mkfs on my hard drive.
>
...
> ... fdisk seems to run fine, as does mkfs. Once I run mount
> though, no matter which options or device I use, I get:
>
> mount: unable to open lock-file
>
rm /etc/mtab~
if /dev/mtab doesn't exist :- (this should be in /etc/rc anyhow ..)
/bin/rootdev > /etc/mtab
then try mount again, all should be sweetness & light ...
People having trouble with kermit should try (/dev/tty64 = com1
/dev/tty65 = com2 ...)
/bin/stty 9600 < /dev/tty64 > /dev/tty64
in /etc/rc to set the com port's line speed. set baud 9600 at the kermit
prompt changes the speed kermit tries to talk to the device but (it seems)
doesn't change the device's speed ...
BTW I cannot successfully get kermit to transmit on com1 at 19200 - Any clues
would be greatfully received. I've got ka9q running at 9600, with the following
in /etc/rc :-
/bin/stty 9600 -IXOFF -IXON < /dev/tty64 > /dev/tty64
... but 19200 would be so much better, if poss ....
Also, when using ka9q I keep getting an "extra" return/linefeed every time I hit
return. I found the following clears up this problem, and doesn't seem to
mess up anything else :-
stty -ECHONL
perhapse this could become the default ???
Tony
PS. I'm not a guru, so please don't be too cruel if I've got some/all of this
wrong ! - I've been up till 3.00am every day this week working on Linux & my
head is fuzzy enough ...
_
Tony Kew, Oxford University Computing Services, (_)xford, England, U.K.
====================================================|=========================
Janet:- tony@uk.ac.oxford.vax --+-- Disclaimer :-
Internet:- tony%vax.oxford.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk | Who is the more foolish?
Earn/Bitnet:- tony%vax.oxford.ac.uk@ukacrl | The fool, or the
Phone:- +44 (0)865 273268 Fax:- +44 (0)865 273275 | man who follows him?
==================================================\=|=/=======================
\|/
------------------------------
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: 33MHz vs 8Mhz
Date: 21 Mar 92 06:11:48 GMT
In <dave.701137159@stat.tamu.edu> dave@stat.tamu.edu (Dave Perry) writes:
...
>Does anyone have any suggestions? The other thing
>is the lack of other niceties, such as job control, and the
>inability of kermit to escape back to linux, which obviously
=============================================
>prevents me from using kermit (Not a bad idea, but when its
>all you have :)
In kermit you can use C-\ (that's ctrl \ ) and after that hit c
you get the "C-Kermit>" prompt. From there you can use '?' to get help.
You can even quit from kermit and then fire it up again with no problem.
The only problem that I have with kermit is that it won't hangup the phone.
I had to power the modem off or give +++ ATH0 command.
> Keep up the excellent work, Linus!
-- budi
--
Budi Rahardjo <rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
------------------------------
From: rahard@ee.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: misc questions (trying to compile mail stuff)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1992 05:56:50 GMT
-Problem with login thru /dev/ttys1 and /dev/ttys2:
I am having problem with <CR>. Hitting return key does not move the cursor
down. For example if I do 'ls -l', the first output will overwrite the
current cursor line and at the end of the command the cursor stays at the
line where the command ended. Is this a known bug ?
BTW, "who" works fine. I can see a list of people login in :-)
"write" works too...
-I am looking at 'procmail' and thinking that it could be the mail transport
agent (MTA) for local mail. With procmail I can create a dummy "sendmail"
and indeed it delivers the mail to the right userid with the right ownership.
I'll post a msg if I can get this up and running. I understand somebody
else is working on 'deliver'. How is it going ?
Is anybody working on 'sendmail' and 'smail' ? I'd like to know how it goes.
-I am also looking at 'elm' and 'mush' as mail user agent (MUA).
Unfortunately the 'Configure' script for 'elm' breaks since I don't have
'expr', 'awk', 'sed', 'echo'. I found 'gawk' and 'sed' in tsx-11.mit.edu
but no 'expr'. Anybody ?
Compiling 'mush' is not as smooth as I expected. It breaks trying to find
getlogin(), re_comp(), and re_exec().
Where can I find these libraries ? I can see re_comp() and re_exec()
in <regex.h> though. Is there a switch I should use when compiling.
Setup: Linux 0.95a, newgcc (is this 1.40 ?)
Thanks,
-- budi
--
Budi Rahardjo
<rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <rahard@ee.umanitoba.ca>
Electrical Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada
------------------------------
From: liljeber@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Mika Pekka Liljeberg)
Subject: Re: Something writes kernel memory where it shouldn't
Date: 21 Mar 92 08:19:04 GMT
In article <1992Mar20.201246.19963@colorado.edu> drew@cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) wrote:
> At least until Linus is 100% stable, it should check for valid data
Oh, he's quite stable, I would think... ;-)
Mika
--
Mika Liljeberg Email: liljeber@kruuna.Helsinki.FI
Helsinki University Mika.Liljeberg@Helsinki.FI
Dept. of Computer Science
------------------------------
From: liljeber@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Mika Pekka Liljeberg)
Subject: Re: .95a HD prob.
Date: 21 Mar 92 08:42:33 GMT
In article <LILJEBER.92Mar20192447@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> I wrote:
> Surprise! My second drive is a 65 Meg Seagate RLL and my controller
> is Western Digital something or other. ;-)
I must have a faulty memory chip, or something, but every time I don't
have the documentation at hand I'll swear I have a WD controller, but
as it happens, my controller is a Data Technology 7287 Revision B.
Oh well. I did a little testing this morning and I managed to pinpoint
the bug (or perhaps the drive just got tired of whining). It appears
that the bug is in reset_controller(). The 0.95a hd driver forces a
controller reset at startup and this messes up the Seagate drive.
One way to get around this is to change the line:
static int reset = 1;
back to:
static int reset = 0;
However, if you ever run into serious enough a hd failure to cause a
controller reset, the drive will probably start screaming again.
You could also comment out the code in reset_controller(), but this
way you could still get stuck with a hd failure. Sigh.
Could one of you guys who really know this stuff take a wee look?
Linus? Drew? Please.
Mika
--
Mika Liljeberg Email: liljeber@kruuna.Helsinki.FI
Helsinki University Mika.Liljeberg@Helsinki.FI
Dept. of Computer Science
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1992 04:52:18 -0500
From: Court Demas <cd2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Reading Floppy
Just a question about the rawriting-tar-files-to-disk thing. I
understand that tar knows how long the file is going to be, but doesn't
compress also? Why can't you rawrite a compressed file to a floppy and
just read it in? (I couldn't get uncompress to read from a device :-[ )
Just asking to be annoying.. :-)
-court
------------------------------
From: raa30@ccc.amdahl.com (Rodney Armstrong)
Subject: noisy hd resolved
Date: 21 Mar 92 10:55:09 GMT
Reply-To: raa30@juts.ccc.amdahl.com ()
All right. Earlier I had posted about a noisy second hard drive.
Well, I did what was suggested and rebuilt the kernel using the
old hd.c from .95 but I also found how to modify the hd.c from v.95a.
It is simple and it seems to work but do not ask me why.
Just change the line in hd.c that reads:
static int reset = 1;
to
static int reset = 0;
It is near the top of the file. Again, I am not sure exactly what I did
here but it works.
Thanks to all who responded with the same problem. Now I can sleep
knowing I have a complete .95a version. ;)
Rod Armstrong
------------------------------
From: lee@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Greg Lee)
Subject: color ls & misc.
Date: 21 Mar 92 14:58:08 GMT
1. Below find a patch to ls.c of the 3.1 fsf file utilities
for a simple change to show file types in color: executables
in green, directories in cyan, links with blue background.
Flag '-f' disables the colors (but you might want to reverse
the sense of this).
2. Maybe it's time to consider gcc 2.0 with the shared library
to be a beta. I've compiled the 95a kernel, 1.6 shell utilities,
3.1 file utilities, kermit 5A, ps, and it seems to work fine.
3. ... except kermit 5A doesn't echo CR correctly in command
mode. Does anyone know what to do about that?
4. I can't access a 720kb 3.5" floppy in my 1.44mb drive. Do
I need to change an entry in the floppy_type table in floppy.c?
If so, what specs should I use?
5. It would be nice to be able to format floppies. There's a
note in the 95a source from Keith White that he has a patch
for that. Is that available anywhere for ftping? Or perhaps
he could post it.
======patch for colors in ls=================
*** ls.c.orig Fri Mar 20 10:02:36 1992
--- ls.c Fri Mar 20 11:33:10 1992
***************
*** 109,114 ****
--- 109,115 ----
void print_many_per_line ();
void print_name_with_quoting ();
void print_type_indicator ();
+ int print_color_indicator ();
void print_with_commas ();
void queue_directory ();
void sort_files ();
***************
*** 246,251 ****
--- 247,256 ----
int print_block_size;
+ /* Nonzero means use colors for types. -f */
+
+ int print_with_color;
+
/* Nonzero means show file sizes in kilobytes instead of blocks
(the size of which is system-dependant). -k */
***************
*** 365,371 ****
format_needs_stat = sort_type == sort_time || sort_type == sort_size
|| format == long_format
|| trace_links || trace_dirs || indicator_style != none
! || print_block_size || print_inode;
nfiles = 100;
files = (struct tufile *) xmalloc (sizeof (struct tufile) * nfiles);
--- 370,376 ----
format_needs_stat = sort_type == sort_time || sort_type == sort_size
|| format == long_format
|| trace_links || trace_dirs || indicator_style != none
! || print_block_size || print_inode || print_with_color;
nfiles = 100;
files = (struct tufile *) xmalloc (sizeof (struct tufile) * nfiles);
***************
*** 523,528 ****
--- 528,534 ----
sort_reverse = 0;
numeric_users = 0;
print_block_size = 0;
+ print_with_color = 1;
kilobyte_blocks = getenv ("POSIX_ME_HARDER") == 0;
indicator_style = none;
print_inode = 0;
***************
*** 549,555 ****
p = getenv ("TABSIZE");
tabsize = p ? atoi (p) : 8;
! while ((c = getopt_long (argc, argv, "abcdgiklmnpqrstuw:xABCFI:LNQRST:UX1",
long_options, (int *) 0)) != EOF)
{
switch (c)
--- 555,561 ----
p = getenv ("TABSIZE");
tabsize = p ? atoi (p) : 8;
! while ((c = getopt_long (argc, argv, "abcdfgiklmnpqrstuw:xABCFI:LNQRST:UX1",
long_options, (int *) 0)) != EOF)
{
switch (c)
***************
*** 572,577 ****
--- 578,587 ----
immediate_dirs = 1;
break;
+ case 'f':
+ print_with_color = 0;
+ break;
+
case 'g':
/* No effect. For BSD compatibility. */
break;
***************
*** 1487,1492 ****
--- 1497,1504 ----
print_file_name_and_frills (f)
struct tufile *f;
{
+ int color_off = 0;
+
if (print_inode)
printf ("%6u ", f->stat.st_ino);
***************
*** 1494,1501 ****
--- 1506,1523 ----
printf ("%*u ", block_size_size,
convert_blocks (ST_NBLOCKS (f->stat), kilobyte_blocks));
+ if (print_with_color)
+ color_off = print_color_indicator (f->stat.st_mode);
+
print_name_with_quoting (f->name);
+ if (color_off)
+ {
+ putchar (27);
+ putchar ('[');
+ putchar ('m');
+ }
+
if (indicator_style != none)
print_type_indicator (f->stat.st_mode);
}
***************
*** 1525,1530 ****
--- 1547,1594 ----
if (S_ISREG (mode) && indicator_style == all
&& (mode & (S_IEXEC | S_IEXEC >> 3 | S_IEXEC >> 6)))
putchar ('*');
+ }
+
+ int
+ print_color_indicator (mode)
+ unsigned int mode;
+ {
+ register char c;
+
+ c = 0;
+
+ if (S_ISDIR (mode))
+ c = '6';
+
+ #ifdef S_ISLNK
+ if (S_ISLNK (mode))
+ c = '4';
+ #endif
+
+ #ifdef S_ISFIFO
+ if (S_ISFIFO (mode))
+ c = '5';
+ #endif
+
+ #ifdef S_ISSOCK
+ if (S_ISSOCK (mode))
+ c = '3';
+ #endif
+
+ if (S_ISREG (mode)
+ && (mode & (S_IEXEC | S_IEXEC >> 3 | S_IEXEC >> 6)))
+ c = '2';
+
+ if (c)
+ {
+ putchar (27);
+ putchar ('[');
+ putchar (c == '4' ? '4' : '3');
+ putchar (c);
+ putchar ('m');
+ }
+
+ return c;
}
int
--
Greg Lee <lee@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu>
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