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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@news-digests.mit.edu>
To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu
Reply-To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 20:30:19 EST
Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #163
Linux-Activists Digest #163, Volume #1 Thu, 26 Mar 92 20:30:19 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux-Activists Digest #150 (Kevin Cummings)
comp.os.linux (Chuck Boyer)
Re: anybody got spell for linux (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Re: More and more questions. :) (Kevin Cummings)
Re: permissions, owners and groups (Kevin Cummings)
Re: Help on compilers ??? (Kevin Cummings)
gcc 2.1 available (Jiansheng Zhao)
Problems with gcc2 (3/25/92) and tar in 0.95a (Daniel A. Martin)
Re: VAX cross-compiler for Linux (Keith White)
Re: tools/pfdisk.tar.Z corrupt on nic.funet.fi. (Ben Lippolt)
Re: Linux 0.95 fdisk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Re: TWO Questions: Security & Program Execution (A. V. Le Blanc)
Re: How to use shared lib with GCC2.0? (A. V. Le Blanc)
Re: Sort for Linux, hpb.mcc.ac.uk and NIFTP (A. V. Le Blanc)
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From: cummings@hammer.Prime.COM (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: Linux-Activists Digest #150
Date: 26 Mar 92 20:27:44 GMT
In article <1992Mar25.202614.7530@athena.mit.edu>, harvard!ames!amdcad!yarc!scott@EDDIE.MIT.EDU (Scott Beckstead) writes:
> Well I see a trend concerning DTK motherboards. We at Yarc have also had
> our shar of problems with DTK mother boards. I beleive this also concerned
> running I/O at high speeds. You should be able to draw your own conclusions
> at this point. DON'T RUN LINUX (or anything else for that matter) ON DTK.
> We did do a little investigation into the problem (we thought it was our fault)
> and discovered that the only motherboard in the world we had the problem with
> was (low and behold) DTK.
> .
You mean I've been lucky running LINUX on my DTK-PEM2500 with NO MAJOR PROBLEMS,
386-DX running at 25MHz (IO bus at 10MHz)???? It's news to me. Perhaps you
can be a little more specific about your problems (CPU type, CPU speed,
IO bus speed, whether or not problems go away when not in TURBO mode,
whether or not you are using peripherals not designed for a 10MHz IO
bus, ... etc, etc, etc.).
=================================================================
Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc.
20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path
Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass.
InterNet: cummings@primerd.Prime.COM
UUCP: uunet!primerd.Prime.COM!cummings
Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration,
I've come to the conclusion that your new
defense system SUCKS..." -- War Games
=================================================================
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From: boyer@sumax.seattleu.edu (Chuck Boyer)
Subject: comp.os.linux
Date: 26 Mar 92 18:04:30 GMT
Section II: Installation to Hard Disk
=====================================
>The file system that Linux uses is not compatible with that of any
>other operating system.
Is this certain? Someone suggested in an earlier post or two that
Linux was 'exactly' compatible with Minix (what version of Minix
I do not know, I was going to ask). If this is true....
>Q. What is a primary partition?
>A. The first sector (512 bytes) of a hard disk contains the primary
> boot record. This is a record of various pieces of information
'VERY' informative. Thanks. Good work.
> Appendix A: The DOS bootable floppy
> Appendix B: Rootset.c
Very good, 'I' have to do this also with my '(DOS) Beginner's
Guide to Linux/Unix.'
> 1.4: zipzap (a good binary file editor) :
> 1.5: Rootset.exe (see appendix C for src) :
Good information. Yay for us/you!!!
But, now we have a 5th (6th/7th??) DOS binary hex editor that
we're suggesting persons to use 'zipzap.' Hmmm..... Well, I'll
change over to zipzap and see what's up. (I'm currently using
'pmk.exe' ((professional master's key) ). :
:
># cd /INSTALL
># ./install /mnt
Thanks, I did; 'sh install' from the /INSTALL directory.
> Device Major Minor Device Major Minor
> ------ ----- ----- ------ ----- -----
> /dev/hda1 3 1 /dev/hdb1 3 65
> /dev/hda2 3 2 /dev/hdb2 3 66
> /dev/hda3 3 3 /dev/hdb3 3 67
> /dev/hda4 3 4 /dev/hdb4 3 68
> /dev/hda5 3 5 /dev/hdb5 3 69
> /dev/hda6 3 6 /dev/hdb6 3 70
> /dev/hda7 3 7 /dev/hdb7 3 71
> /dev/hda8 3 8 /dev/hdb8 3 72
The copy of the rootimage0.95a that 'I' got from tsx-11.mit.edu
had /dev/hdb1 as Minor 41, /dev/hdb2 as Minor 42, etc......
What's up 'exactly'?!!!
Other than these questions this is all very good, thanks.
chuck
boyer@sumax.seattleu.edu
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From: jwinstea@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Subject: Re: anybody got spell for linux
Date: 26 Mar 92 21:22:47 GMT
In article <1992Mar26.053245.15939@ucc.su.OZ.AU> peterw@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Peter Williams) writes:
>I have been trying to build ispell for linux with mixed results. I have
>successfully compiled all of the binaries but am having difficulties building
>a dictionary because the makefile macros use the standard unix spell program for
>some processing when building the dictionary files. I have tried building the
>dictionary files on a sparc (where they work) and then moving them to linux but
>they fail some magic number test in ispell (possibly due to byte translation).
I built ispell some time ago, and didn't run into this problem at all
- it compiled just about perfectly out of the box, from what I
remember. I think there's something in the README or INSTALL notes
about building some of the things without the 'standard' UNIX spell.
(Such as there is one pre-generated file in the package, but it isn't
used by default - sort of how yacc/bison and flex stuff sometimes is
provided for those without the necessary programs.)
If you still have problems, drop me a line and tell me what the
Makefile is trying to generate (the dictionary, I assume) and I can
package up the dictionary I have.
>I have been unsuccessful, so far, in tracking down the sources for spell and am
>therefore asking does any one have a working version of spell for linux.
Have you looked at the Berkeley sources?
--
Jim Winstead Jr. (CSci '95) | "Catch a fish!"
Harvey Mudd College | -Geddy Lee,
jwinstea@jarthur.Claremont.EDU | San Diego Sports Arena
Disclaimer: Mine, not theirs! | January 20, 1992
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From: cummings@hammer.Prime.COM (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: More and more questions. :)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 20:40:26 GMT
In article <4627@umriscc.isc.umr.edu>, dminer@mcs213e.cs.umr.edu (Dan Miner) writes:
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) Where do you untar lib-0.12.tar?
I looked at the pathnames with "tar tf /dev/xxx" and do a "cd" so the file
will end up in /usr/lib.
> 2) My roommate and I are trying to set up a remote terminal
> in one of the virtual comsoles (prefer 8). We are using a
> null modem to connect the two computers. (mine = ttys2, his = ttys3)
> How do we set this up?
You need to run a terminal emulator (like kermit) in the vc. You then need
to have kermit do a "set line /dev/ttysx" to own the serial line. On the other
side, you need to have a getty running on serial port being connected to.
Note, it you try and connect the two serial ports together that are running
the gettys, then you will end up with the 2 gettys trying to talk to each other.
Not very useful. Now the kermit user can go into the terminal emulator, and if
you did things right, he should be talking to a getty which is asking him
to login.
> 3) How do I setup a printer daemon?
Can't help here. My printer is out of commision temporarily.
> 4) Where can I get the binaries of rz and sz? I have source but
> I don't enough memory to compile anything.
How are you fixed for disk space? Can you setup a swap partition or
put a swap file in your file system somewhere? I turn my swap partition
on with a "swapon /dev/hdxx" in my /etc/rc file. Turned 4 MB into 9 MB.
I get my sources from tsx-11.mit.edu, though I will admit to not knowing
if Z-modem is there or not.
> 5) Will at swapfile fix this problem with my compiler not having
> enough memory? If so, how do I set it up?
It should, swap space (whether a partition or a disk file) should look
to you like virtual memory. It may not be as fast when you have to use it,
but you can do more before you run out of "memory".
> 6) Can anyone point out books that I can use as guides on how to
> program in an environment like Linux?
Sorry. Unix programming is new to me too. That's why I'm playing
with LINUX.
> 7) Can ka9q use a modem? I know it is TCP/IP but what is needed
> to run this puppy? :)
I have KA9Q running between home and my office via a modem connection.
Here's how I did it. In my office I have an 286 PC with 640K memory
running DOS 3.3, and KA9Q for DOS. It also has an ethernet card.
the DOS KA9Q is set up to route packets from the ethernet to the modem
via SL/IP. My machine at home and the machine in my office are on a subnet
by themselves. AT home under either DOS or LINUX, I have similar AUTOEXEC.NET
files that configure my home PC. First from home, I call the modem in my office
(usually with kermit since the KA9Q for LINUX doesn't support TIP yet). Once the
two modems are connected, I bring up KA9Q at home. Since both KA9Qs are talking
SL/IP over the modem, I AM CONNECTED. As long as the name service and routers
at work know about the SL/IP routing, I AM LIVE ON THE INTERNET. I can then
TELNET, FTP, PING, etc to my heart's content while I am running KA9Q.
I can't wait for when SL/IP support is in the LINUX kernal, and all I have to do
is make the modem connection for ANY LINUX user to be able to use the SL/IP
connections.
I'm currently live at 2400 BAUD. Both KA9Qs support SL/IP, cSL/IP, and PPP.
I will admit to not trying out the latter two yet (It involves remembering
to change both configurations correctly at a penalty of being unconnected
for 24 hours if I get it wrong). I tried just changing one side from SL/IP
to cSL/IP. It didn't work. I know that when cSL/IP is installed on a UNIX
box it will make connections with either SL/IP or cSL/IP. Whoever put the
support in KA9Q must have cut a corner for cSL/IP.
One of these days, I'll get around to using a faster modem/protocol and see what
happens.
> That's all for now. *grin*
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
You're Welcome!
=================================================================
Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc.
20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path
Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass.
InterNet: cummings@primerd.Prime.COM
UUCP: uunet!primerd.Prime.COM!cummings
Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration,
I've come to the conclusion that your new
defense system SUCKS..." -- War Games
=================================================================
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From: cummings@hammer.Prime.COM (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: permissions, owners and groups
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 21:05:44 GMT
In article <1992Mar24.104542.4092@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, pca306c@nella7.cc.monash.edu.au (E Elu) writes:
> After reading the various news items on the recommended directory layout
> and contents for Linux, I have gotten myself quite confused trying to work
> out what the correct permissions, owners and groups should be for the
> various directories and standard distribution files. It took me quite some
> time to get everything to a state where some other user than root could login
> and do anything !!
>
> Has any one got a document that suggests how the permissions of a Unix systems
> should be set for starters?
>
> The /etc /dev/ and /bin directories and files are the ones I am having the
> most trouble with.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Ernie Elu
Sounds like the next addition to the binaries FAQ document. Yes?
=================================================================
Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc.
20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path
Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass.
InterNet: cummings@primerd.Prime.COM
UUCP: uunet!primerd.Prime.COM!cummings
Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration,
I've come to the conclusion that your new
defense system SUCKS..." -- War Games
=================================================================
------------------------------
From: cummings@hammer.Prime.COM (Kevin Cummings)
Subject: Re: Help on compilers ???
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 21:29:22 GMT
In article <1992Mar26.162428.4265@athena.cs.uga.edu>, knapka@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joseph Knapka) writes:
> Has anyone sucessfully installed newgcc.tar from tsx-11? After my post
> about this problem last week, I got mail from several people who had
> had this problem. Is it possible tsx-11's newgcc.tar is corrupted
> somehow?
I installed gcc 1.4 from newgcc.tar and newlib.tar soon after they
were put on tsx-11. I then built df.c from it. No problems.
And seeing as I couldn't use the previous gcc, I was quite amazed.
Of course following the instruction from various people probably
helped a lot since I tried installing the old gcc with no help
at all. Read the documentation that come with newgcc. It helped me!
=================================================================
Kevin J. Cummings Prime Computer Inc.
20 Briarwood Road 500 Old Connecticut Path
Framingham, Mass. Framingham, Mass.
InterNet: cummings@primerd.Prime.COM
UUCP: uunet!primerd.Prime.COM!cummings
Std. Disclaimer: "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration,
I've come to the conclusion that your new
defense system SUCKS..." -- War Games
=================================================================
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From: zhao@unixg.ubc.ca (Jiansheng Zhao)
Subject: gcc 2.1 available
Date: 26 Mar 92 19:57:17 GMT
Xref: unixg.ubc.ca ubc.general:274 bc.general:315 bc.unix:32 ubc.unix:93
Newsgroups: ubc.general,bc.general,bc.unix,ubc.unix
Path: unixg.ubc.ca!ubc-cs!acton
From: acton@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Acton)
Subject: gcc 2.1
Message-ID: <1992Mar26.192947.6553@cs.ubc.ca>
Sender: usenet@cs.ubc.ca (Usenet News)
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 19:29:47 GMT
Version 2.1 of gcc can now be ftped from cs.ubc.ca in the
directory /pub/archive/gnu as gcc-2.1.tar.Z. For those who care
a the vms version gcc-vms-1.40a.tar.Z is also available.
Donald Acton
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From: dam1@ra.msstate.edu (Daniel A. Martin)
Subject: Problems with gcc2 (3/25/92) and tar in 0.95a
Date: 26 Mar 92 23:38:25 GMT
I have been having problems with tar in version 0.95a, it usually happens
with large compressed tar files (the gcc2 files for example)...I use the
command:
tar xvofvz 2misc.tar.Z
and tar just hangs doesn't extract any files sometimes it will show the
first directory in the file but not with the gcc2 files...I can always
press ^C to cancel so it is not actually locking up...most of the time
I can go ahead and uncompress the tar.Z file and then untar the tar file
but that did not work with the new gcc2 files (3/25/92)...what I did was
boot up version 0.12 untar the files with no problems and then boot version
0.95a and run the inst2.0 script...but now I can't compile anything
even something like:
gcc -o man man.c
hangs...again I can press ^C to cancel...I had been using the 3/15/92 version
of gcc2 with no problems until today...
I would appreciate any help on either of these problems...
--
=====================
|Danny Martin |
|dam1@Ra.MsState.Edu|
=====================
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From: kwhite@csi.uottawa.ca (Keith White)
Subject: Re: VAX cross-compiler for Linux
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 22:55:06 GMT
In article <1992Mar26.121400.14056@news.Hawaii.Edu> lee@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Greg Lee) writes:
>
>There are supposedly patches for this on tesla.ee.cornell.edu
>in pub/386bsd.
>
There are indeed. As one of the instigators of the binutils patch I
have a few comments. Don't expect to just drop in the changes and
expect gld to magically produce correct a.out files for linux. When
I was making the changes I was thinking only of 386bsd (or whatever
it's called these days). For which purpose it works great (IMHO). If
anyone wants some hints on how it may be possible to make this produce
code for linux, drop me a line.
...keith
--
Keith White, Computer Science Department, University of Ottawa
kwhite@csi.uottawa.ca [+1 613 564 5455]
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From: bjl@pttrnl.nl (Ben Lippolt)
Subject: Re: tools/pfdisk.tar.Z corrupt on nic.funet.fi.
Date: 26 Mar 92 23:20:12 GMT
Reply-To: B.J.Lippolt@research.ptt.nl
I know one is not supposted to follow-up on one's own articles, but..
bjl@pttrnl.nl (Ben Lippolt) writes:
>zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc) writes:
>>Has anyone else noticed that the tools/pfdisk.tar.Z on nic.funet.fi
>>and on all its mirrors is corrupt?
>I'm not sure I understand this. I uploaded pfdisk.tar.Z to tsx-11 and
>to nic.funet. I'm sure it was the same file I sent to both servers.
>It is true that the original files came from a DOS system (with ^Ms
>after each line) but I cleaned them up and it worked on my system. The
>only difference between nic.funet and tsx-11 could be that tsx-11 has
>binary mode as the standard mode for ftp. It was the first time I ever
>uploaded something, and I might have forgotten to set binary mode when
>I uploaded to nic.funet. Unfortunately our InterNet link is down so I
>can't check this.
I just checked it and the version on nic.funet is indeed corrupt.
I tried to uncompress and untar the file and it crashed at a small
binary file. So I suppose I indeed forgot to set binary mode when I
uploaded the file to nic.funet. Sorry for that. The copy on tsx-11
(pub/linux/sources/sbin/pfdisk.tar.Z) is correct. Maybe the one on
nic.funet can be replaced with the correct one?
Ben.
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From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Subject: Re: Linux 0.95 fdisk
Date: 26 Mar 92 07:06:28 GMT
In article <bjl.700749451@freyr> B.J.Lippolt@research.ptt.nl writes:
>zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc) writes:
>>In article <LONGSHOT.92Mar12214011@att2.mankato.msus.edu> longshot@att2.mankato.msus.edu (Erik Green) writes:
>
>>>Also, a Linux fdisk is badly needed
>>>on the same disk, since lots O' people are having problems with the
>>>collection of other programs that are currently being used to do the
>>>partitioning.
>
>>I have been working on a Linux fdisk. At the moment there are
>>two real problems: (1) it ought to be able to get the number of
>>sectors, heads, and cylinders from the kernel, but this requires
>>a kernel patch; and (2) it ought to be able to set up Linux extended
>>partitions, but I haven't done anything about this yet.
(1) pfdisk does not do what I want: it requires me to know the
number of heads and cylinders on my hard disk. I have written
a small patch to get this information from the kernel.
(2) My pfdisk now does most of the required handling of extended
partitions. I am tinkering with the user interface, with
extra-for-experts features, and with verification and
warning messages.
-- Owen
LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
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From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Subject: Re: TWO Questions: Security & Program Execution
Date: 26 Mar 92 08:08:03 GMT
In article <ksvpepINNqis@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle) writes:
>In article <1992Mar24.185156.4649@socrates.umd.edu> cm445a17@socrates.umd.edu (cm445a17) writes:
>>2.- I have noticed that you can do a 'cd directory' even if you don't
>>have the access permissioms for that directory (non root login)!
>
>Dunno, sounds like a bug unless you have "x" access, in which case being
>able to cd but unable to ls is the correct behavior.
This is a bug. I am using 0.95a + the published patches from Linus.
The cd works, but if you type pwd when you are there, the command
fails. I suspect error checking in bash, which is older than the
current library release. This bug does not exist in the same version
of bash on other machines. It is also possible that some error code
is not being interpreted properly.
-- Owen
LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
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From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Subject: Re: How to use shared lib with GCC2.0?
Date: 26 Mar 92 07:44:44 GMT
In article <1992Mar25.005149.183@athena.mit.edu> dhl@wet.net.netcom.com (Dahai Li) writes:
>I un-tared 2misc.tar.Z and 2lib.tar.Z under "/usr/" directory, and ran the
>"inst2.0" came with "2lib.tar.Z", with no problem.
...
>Then I compiled a a simple "main(){puts("Hello, world!")}" program, by
>calling "gcc hello.c" command. (This gcc is from gcc2 package, not newgcc).
>The size of file "a.out" is 30,722.
Because the gcc 2.0 is in alpha testing, there have been quite a
number of releases. Shared libraries did not work in one of these,
which I believe is the one now on nic.funet.fi. Get the latest
version of the compiler from dec1.eecs.wsu.edu (/incoming/2*).
-- Owen
LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
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From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Subject: Re: Sort for Linux, hpb.mcc.ac.uk and NIFTP
Date: 26 Mar 92 08:00:06 GMT
In article <1992Mar24.201159.1660@memstvx1.memst.edu> anspaugh@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>Which file archive, if any at all, contains sort for Linux????
sort comes from GNU textutils. A slightly outdated version
(as of March 16) can be found in textutils-1.2.tar.Z in /pub/linux/mcc-bin
on hpb.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.7], which is accessible by anonymous ftp.
This contains binaries and patches. I call it slightly outdated
because GNU have released textutils-1.3 on March 16. This is
being worked on.
With respect to the files on this machine, several people have
made good suggestions about their organisation, which will be
implemented as soon as time permits.
Some British Linuxists have asked whether this machine can be
accessed by coloured book file transfer (NIFTP). I have not been
able to answer all of them, in one case because my mailer refuses
to accept his address. Such software does exist on that machine,
but it will stop working when we upgrade its operating system. It
is poorly written and does not support anonymous ftp in a secure
fashion. While it is still there, I am willing to set up temporary
user names for specific people on a short term basis, but I cannot
open the machine up for general access using this software.
I have tried to get an info-server working, but have not yet found
one which works on HP-UX.
-- Owen
LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
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