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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@news-digests.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 06:15:10 EST
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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #166
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Linux-Activists Digest #166, Volume #1 Fri, 27 Mar 92 06:15:10 EST
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Contents:
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HELP! Trying to build gcc-2.1 on a VIRGIN system... (Ed Carp)
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help with mkswap... (gary a moyer)
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misc bugs... (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
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Copy and paste for virtual consoles using mouse (Andrew Haylett (GEC-Marconi Research Centre))
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Re: comp.os.linux (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
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Copy and paste for virtual consoles using mouse (Andrew Haylett (GEC-Marconi Research Centre))
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Need Help Picking Components for PC-Compat Linux/386BSD Box (Craig Burley)
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Re: Free BSD release: future of Minix/Linux? (Sean Eric Fagan)
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Re: Curses library (Michael Haardt)
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Problems building new libraries (Michael Haardt)
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ps patch for 0.95a kernel (Michael Haardt)
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From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: HELP! Trying to build gcc-2.1 on a VIRGIN system...
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Date: 27 Mar 92 03:18:32 GMT
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OK, this is what I'd like to do. I'd like to build gcc on a SPARC,
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but run it on a 386 running linux 0.95a. I've built the stage 1
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compiler (according to the INSTALL docs in the gcc-2.1 directory),
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but am stumped when it tells me I don't have libgcc.a. How do I build
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this?
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It seems that the GNU stuff is relatively well documented per-product,
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but it completely lacks a document for GNU virgins. Something like
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"OK, I've ftp'd the GNU stuff from prep.ai.mit.edu - now what do I
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do?"
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If someone would like to email/call me and help me through this, I'd gladly
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take notes, and write them up for a /pub/gnu/READ-ME.FIRST doc or something.
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I guess I'm just totally confused. I know generally what I have to do to
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make a cross-compiler, but I'm not sure of the exact steps that you need to
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do with GNU.
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I'd like to install the following:
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1. gcc-2.1
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2. glibc-1.02
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3. gas-1.38
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I assume that I need 2 built to build 1, right? When I'm done' I'd like to
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have, sitting on my SPARC (ready for download), executables for (say) an
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i386-sysv system, so that I could tar them off/download them and be able to
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compile stuff.
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Thanks for your time and assistance.
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--
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Ed Carp N7EKG/6 erc@khijol.UUCP erc@apple.com
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Cupertino, CA 408/252-5947
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-- Absolutely unabashed Gates McFadden groupie! --
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From: moyerg@jove.cs.pdx.edu (gary a moyer)
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Subject: help with mkswap...
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Date: 27 Mar 92 07:08:17 GMT
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I am running out of memory with 2megs and need to know how to
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set up a swap file. Any suggestions?
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Thanks. Gary Moyer
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From: zmbenhal@isis.cs.du.edu (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
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Subject: misc bugs...
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 07:39:51 GMT
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Hi folks,
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I've been giving linux a run. I AM impressed with the quality of of linux (good
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work linus). However, I did come up with various problems here and there:
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These happened will I was tryimg to compile alternative shells.
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Ksh compiled without to many problems if you exclude job control.
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On running though it was a bit flakey. when typing 'cd -' it output a random
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character and linefeed before it works. This is quite cosmetic. Of a more
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serious nature is that it can't handle & at the end of command line; it print
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%6291404 29998 %%%-2d%c %5d %-20s % %s
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-Oh} ${PATH:= blah, blah, blah
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and then it dies! This used to work on minix by the way.
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In trying to compile zsh, I had all sort of problems figuring out if linux
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was SYSV or BSD or a mixture of both + POSIX that is not in either.
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I found out that setpgrp is not an implemented system call (even the prototype
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was wrong. -O caused unrecognized insn errors (anybody figure out why?)
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Also no utmp.h
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In other news today, the adduser package has a crypt.o which has no _crypt and
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refers to ufc_* functions not in the library. I'm using the libc.a that came
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with newgcc. Is newlibc a more uptodate one?
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Any finally for today, some commands, say mv mostly, output a couple of
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linefeeds and then a couple of prompts. is this a kernel or a shell problem?
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Thanks for any hints, and keep up the good work,
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Zeyd
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From: Andrew Haylett (GEC-Marconi Research Centre) <ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk>
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Subject: Copy and paste for virtual consoles using mouse
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Reply-To: ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1992 09:05:29 GMT
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[reposted as it didn't seem to make it into the newsgroup, or at least into
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the digest.]
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My mouse was getting fat from lack of exercise, so I have put together a
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package that allows an area of text to be selected from any VC and
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subsequently pasted to any VC. The package requires a Microsoft-compatible (I
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think) *serial* mouse. I find it pretty useful; I've become dependent on
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cut'n'paste under X, and missed it under Linux.
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The package is in two parts; kernel patches (against standard 0.95a) to
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tty_ioctl.c and console.c to implement the selection mechanism, and some
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application code to implement the mouse driver and user interface.
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I can't upload stuff to FTP sites, but will willingly post the package to
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anybody who would like to try it out. selection.tar.Z.uue is about 10K.
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If I get enough requests, I'll post it to this group instead, or someone could
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upload it for me.
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----
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Andrew Haylett | Inet: ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk | Fax: +44 245 75244
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GEC-Marconi Research | Tel: +44 245 73331 x.3283 | Telex: 995016 GECRES G
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From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
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Subject: Re: comp.os.linux
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Date: 27 Mar 92 07:50:24 GMT
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In article <4031@sumax.seattleu.edu> boyer@sumax.seattleu.edu (Chuck Boyer) writes:
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>>The file system that Linux uses is not compatible with that of any
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>>other operating system.
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>
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>Is this certain? Someone suggested in an earlier post or two that
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>Linux was 'exactly' compatible with Minix (what version of Minix
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>I do not know, I was going to ask). If this is true....
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The filesystem is still pretty similar to minix: the only addition is
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the symbolic links. If you do not use symlinks, minix and linux
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filesystems are totally interchangeable. There are some very minor
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differences: minix always clears the inode->mode word when it deletes an
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inode, and linux doesn't, so minix fsck will report some spurious error
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messages for linux partitions, but that's no big deal (you can make the
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linux fdisk report the same errors with the "-m" flag).
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> > Device Major Minor Device Major Minor
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> > ------ ----- ----- ------ ----- -----
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> > /dev/hda1 3 1 /dev/hdb1 3 65
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> > /dev/hda2 3 2 /dev/hdb2 3 66
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>The copy of the rootimage0.95a that 'I' got from tsx-11.mit.edu
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>had /dev/hdb1 as Minor 41, /dev/hdb2 as Minor 42, etc......
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>What's up 'exactly'?!!!
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Both are correct: it's decimal 65 and hex 41. Use decimal numbers for
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most things (ls -l does), but when giving the whole device number as
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one, it's usually easier to use hex. Thus /dev/hdb1 is (3,65) but also
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0x0341 depending on what you want to do.
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Linus
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From: Andrew Haylett (GEC-Marconi Research Centre) <ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk>
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Subject: Copy and paste for virtual consoles using mouse
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Reply-To: ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1992 10:50:23 GMT
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My mouse was getting fat from lack of exercise, so I have put together a
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package that allows an area of text to be selected from any VC and
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subsequently pasted to any VC. The package requires a Microsoft-compatible (I
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think) *serial* mouse. I find it pretty useful; I've become dependent on
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cut'n'paste under X, and missed it under Linux.
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The package is in two parts; kernel patches (against standard 0.95a) to
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tty_ioctl.c and console.c to implement the selection mechanism, and some
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application code to implement the mouse driver and user interface.
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I can't upload stuff to FTP sites, but will willingly post the package to
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anybody who would like to try it out. selection.tar.Z.uue is about 10K.
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If I get enough requests, I'll post it to this group instead, or someone could
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upload it for me.
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----
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Andrew Haylett | Inet: ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk | Fax: +44 245 75244
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GEC-Marconi Research | Tel: +44 245 73331 x.3283 | Telex: 995016 GECRES G
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From: burley@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Craig Burley)
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
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Subject: Need Help Picking Components for PC-Compat Linux/386BSD Box
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Date: 27 Mar 92 09:56:00 GMT
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I am thinking seriously about purchasing a PC-compatible system that is
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large enough to handle the kind of UNIX and compiler development work I'm
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doing.
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Though I like to avoid cross-posting, I've done it here because I need the
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special expertise of not only Linux aficionados, but "straight" PC users
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(MS-DOS and/or MS-Windows) and PC-UNIX users as well, since what I'm doing
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is trying to combine, probably for the first time in some cases, hardware
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with new free software. Definitive answers probably will be hard to come by,
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of course, but perhaps I can learn enough by getting input from the various
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camps to determine whether I'm likely to get various parts of the system
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working under Linux. (I'm also open to using other free UNIXes to which I
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can contribute my volunteer-coding efforts, such as 386BSD, for example; or,
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if someone wants to donate a proprietary UNIX for my immediate needs, that
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would be fine, too. :-)
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I'd like any input on whether/when Linux (or, generally, any arbitrary OS
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running a 486 in 32-bit mode at 33MHz, etc) will be able to support various
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parts of this system, especially the hard drive and the monitor.
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Here's the machine configuration as it currently stands (not purchased yet):
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Motherboard stuff:
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Tower case w/8 drive bays and 250-watt power supply
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Intel 32-bit 80486 CPU 33MHz
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64KB cache RAM standard (expandable to 256KB)
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Support for Weitek 4167-33 math co-processor (don't need the chip yet)
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AMI BIOS
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EISA-compatible standard system bus architecture
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16MB RAM (70ns) expandable to 64MB
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2 serial ports, 1 parallel port
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8 EISA slots (apparently each supports 32-bit EISA, 16-bit ISA/AT, 8-bit)
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Disks:
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Adaptec AHA-1740 SCSI-2 controller
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Maxtor PO-12S 1.2GB SCSI-2 hard drive
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5.25" (1.2MB) internal floppy
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3.5" (1.44MB) internal floppy
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Monitor:
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Sigma Designs L-View LVS-PC-1S01A (or thereabouts), 1664x1200 118dpi
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4-gray-scale monitor & card
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Other stuff:
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101-key tactile keyboard (NMB RT-101+)
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3-button Microsoft-compatible serial mouse
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Cardinal 9650V42 9600 baud V.42 internal modem
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Panasonic FX-BM89 FAX board (9600 baud)
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Offhand, I think the total cost for this system will be around $7500. At the
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moment that seems beyond my budget, but I figure I'll start with pretty much
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my "ideal" system, find out what's technically wrong with it, work my way
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"down" in cost (for example, a less-expensive and more-standard monitor, a
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less-expensive HD, ISA instead of EISA, whatever). Then I'll find some way
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to finance the system once I've decided on what it should be.
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The monitor is one of the areas I'm very concerned about. The original
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system I was looking at had an IBM 8507 20" monochrome VGA monitor plus
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an SVGA adapter (Trident 8900 chipset), but the monitor seems kind of ugly
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to me, and at 1024x768 (despite 64 shades) I don't think the resolution will
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be quite up to snuff. The L-View is much more expensive and I might not be
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able to afford it, but I might try and save money elsewhere because a solid
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monitor is _most_ important to me -- I'd rather spend $2000 on a monitor
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(w/high-res card) for a $200 computer than vice versa, if the computer is,
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as with this one, going to be my main system. But, I don't know whether I'll
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be able to get access to the lowest-level information on how to access the
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device (i.e. lower than BIOS level), and without this information, obviously
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I won't be able to write a driver for it. So I'm going to call Sigma Designs
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and see what they have to offer -- at least this monitor subsystem, unlike
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another (less expensive and quite decent) subsystem I looked at, is still being
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made and supported and having drivers written for it for lots of software,
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which is a good sign. I hope Sigma Designs recognizes the usefulness of making
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it easy for free-software volunteers like myself to help them sell more
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hardware!
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(FYI, color might be nice, but I doubt I'll have any need for it for some time;
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I'm _very_ happy with B&W, even 4 gray scales is a luxury I can forego. Also,
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being a Mac SE/30 user, and having also used NeXTs (4 gray scales) and other
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systems with decent monitors, as compared to an IBM RT I had on loan for a
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while with an IBM monitor and other such interlaced or just cheapo monitors,
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I'm pretty much spoiled. Even though my Mac has only a 9" screen and 72 dpi,
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it's rock-solid. The NeXTs are excellent with the 4 gray scales as well,
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though the tendency of their MegaPixels or whatever to go out of focus pretty
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much sours me on those systems.)
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I've seen other postings asking about support for Adaptec controllers, though
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not sure if the 1740 was mentioned. Again, I expect to have to write a driver
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for this thing, as well.
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Similarly, for the mouse, modem, and FAX board, I expect I might have to
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write drivers to use them under Linux. Probably not for the keyboard and/or
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mouse, or perhaps the modem, but almost certainly for the FAX board, though
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using it under DOS will probably be adequate for quite some time.
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Now, I'm not particularly averse to writing drivers, though doing this kind
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of stuff on Intel machines is new to me. (I've done OS internals work on
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several machines, mostly Prime.) In fact, in some ways, I'm kind of looking
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forward to it.
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So I recognize that I might well spend two or more _months_ just using DOS and
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assemblers just to try and get drivers working so I can even _run_ Linux,
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not to mention getting my _real_ work done (Fortran compiler development,
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at the moment).
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I could buy a more stock system and/or spend less on hardware and buy SCO
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UNIX or some such thing. But given that the free-software thing is happening
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anyway, and I want to contribute to it (more than just by writing a Fortran
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compiler -- rms asked me to do that when I came to him three years ago asking
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if I could help write the GNU OS itself, and I even want to do my own OS
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and related research), I figure I should go ahead and buy the _best_ hardware
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I can for what I can afford, and solve the software problems via acquiring
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and writing free software.
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But, I'm worried that one or more of the components in my system will turn
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out to be effectively impossible to get working under Linux, 386BSD, or
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whatever, due to who-knows-what -- poor documentation, critical flaws in
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the hardware (postings about 486's not working at 33MHz under Linux or in
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32-bit mode worry me, for example), whatever -- and while I can't be
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prescient about these things, I can at least ask you all!
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One thing I'm aware of is that right now Linux doesn't support >64MB
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partitions or >14-char filenames, though others might fix these things
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("fix" being a very general term -- "provide enhancements for" is probably more
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accurate, given Linux's evolution, as these aren't really bugs from what I
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can tell), or I might fix them. (I've hacked OS filesystems before.)
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If any of you have information on the workability of various aspects of this
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configuration, by all means send me email (burley@gnu.ai.mit.edu) and let
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me know. I'll probably summarize the info I get, and almost certainly post
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info on my final decision as to what to do (which might include bailing out
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for now and just buying a used NeXT to finish my Fortran work or upgrading
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my Mac SE/30 to run UNIX for that purpose, and later looking into a PC-compat
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for OS work -- but I hope that isn't necessary).
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--
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James Craig Burley, Software Craftsperson burley@gnu.ai.mit.edu
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Member of the League for Programming Freedom (LPF)
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From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
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Subject: Re: Free BSD release: future of Minix/Linux?
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Date: 27 Mar 92 10:11:05 GMT
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In article <4518@umriscc.iic.umr.edu> chamil@mcs213i.cs.umr.edu (Charles M. Hamilton) writes:
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>I personally plan on sticking with linux and NOT going to the
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>free release of 386BSD. Why? Well, my machine now only
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>has 4 megs of RAM, which seems to be fine for linux, but I
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>suspect would crowd BSD.
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Why would you think that? According to Jolitz a year or two ago, the then
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386bsd could run in 640k of RAM (although it would "take gcc five minutes to
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compile a null program"). I suspect it would be extremely happy in 4MBytes
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(BSDinc says 4MBytes RAM is minimum, unless you want to use X, in which case
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you should have 8, which makes sense).
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>I also currently only have 80 megs of disk space
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Ah. Now *that* is probably a limitation. I believe you'd want to dedicate
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that 80MBytes to 386bsd, if you chose to run it, even though you get the
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added advantage (supposedly; I'm not sure it works yet) of having NFS, which
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Linux doesn't have (yet!).
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--
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Sean Eric Fagan | "One form to rule them all, one form to find them, one
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sef@kithrup.COM | form to bring them all and in the darkness rewrite the
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=================+ hell out of them" == sendmail ruleset 3 comment from DEC.
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Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
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From: michael@gandalf.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
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Subject: Re: Curses library
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Reply-To: u31b3hs@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 21:05:39 +0100
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From article <1992Mar24.114710.29479@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, by zmbenhal@isis.cs.du.edu (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim):
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> How about using the original ncurses? A package ported to unix from a PC port
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> of a unix package is not exactly the way to go. I'm sure ncurses is floating
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> on the net somewhere; if not let me know and I'll upload my copy.
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I would like to have a look at it, all versions I know are modified (read
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hacked) in some ugly way. Hopefully the original version is the solution
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to the problem of a curses library.
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Michael
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From: michael@gandalf.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
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Subject: Problems building new libraries
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Reply-To: u31b3hs@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 22:33:32 +0100
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After I got a basic system running, I started getting and compiling sources
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for all these binaries I got. At the moment, I am compiling the GNU textutils,
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shellutils and fileutils. I encountered a few minor problems:
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- After running the configure script, I deleted -g from the Makefile
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- I added -D_POSIX_SOURCE
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- A few commands must be compiled without -O because the optimizer
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dies with a strange error message
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- for one or two commands you have to link them with additional object files
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which are still missing in the library
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That's all :) But my main problem was building a new library to overcome
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the last problem. I know, I could just add the missing things to the lib
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and run ranlib, but that's not the point.
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At first, the Makefile has pretty weird variables set, for example for
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-Iwhoknowswhatismeant. Second, it will build a Libc.a, Libm.a and
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Libtermcap.a. I still wonder what is with libsoft.a and gnulib. Any
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hints? Apart from that, I can't compile stdio, because I seem to have
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only an estdio stdio.h. So, these are my questions: Which libraries am I
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supposed to have? What are libm.a, libsoft.a and gnulib for? What flags
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have to be used with a 387, what flags have to be used without a 387?
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Where can I get the newest include files? What is the newest version of
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the library? I am using GNU C 1.40.
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Michael
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From: michael@gandalf.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
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Subject: ps patch for 0.95a kernel
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Reply-To: u31b3hs@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 92 01:28:26 +0100
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After uncommenting the -fcombine-regs option I successfully recompiled
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the kernel. Then I applied the ps patches for 0.95 and only got one
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problem with swap.c. Just now it is late and I am awfully tired, and I
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think I must have made something wrong because the kernel with patch
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boots and after accessing the HD once, it instantly reboots. I think I
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made a mistake with patching swap.c, so it would be nice if someone
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could send me his working version or post the concerned part. If it
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runs at my machine, I will create a new patch set for 0.95a and upload
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it, if no one else wants to do it.
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Thanks
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Michael
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