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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@news-digests.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Activists@news-digests.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 92 07:30:11 EST
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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #9
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Linux-Activists Digest #9, Volume #1 Thu, 23 Jan 92 07:30:11 EST
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Contents:
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Trouble decompressing rootimage (David Tucker / KC4ZGO)
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Re: X11R5 Re: [Bob Pendelton: Re: A question] (gleason margaret)
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Re: compiling minix commands source on linux (gleason margaret)
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Re: X11R5 Re: [Bob Pendelton: Re: A question] (Bob Pendelton)
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Re: X11R5 Re: [Bob Pendelton: Re: A question] (Glenn G. Lai)
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New files on TSX-11.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
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Where are the #include files for GCC ? (Divya Sundaram)
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lp patches for linux 0.12 (jim wiegand)
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Re: alt.os.linux activity (Simon Townsend)
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[jim wiegand: lp patches for linux 0.12] (Theodore Ts'o)
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New floppy driver (Lawrence C. Foard)
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switch over, you'll like it (Mont Pierce)
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Re: Installation. (Tommy Thorn)
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Re: compiling minix commands source on linux (Ari Lemmke)
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PD tar on Linux? (Andrew Haylett (GEC-Marconi Research Centre))
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Re: compiling minix commands source on linux (Mika Matti Jalava)
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How to boot a PC from drive B: (Jiansheng Zhao)
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JOE Version 0.1.2 (Randolph Carter (nee. Joseph H. Allen))
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subscribe (Jack Dunn)
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From: tucker@yuppie.enet.dec.com (David Tucker / KC4ZGO)
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Subject: Trouble decompressing rootimage
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Date: 23 Jan 92 04:32:28 GMT
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Sorry for the beginner type question: I ftpmail to a VAX/VMS, then
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kermit to a pc. The uudecode part seems to work ok; rootimag.z comes
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out to a little over 500k. Then my decompress program (comp430d) quits
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after producing a file a little over 600k and says:
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''comp430d: bad file token in rootimag.z''.
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Anyone seen this before or have any idea?
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Regards,
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David Tucker / tucker@yuppie.enet.dec.com
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From: n8141165@henson.cc.wwu.edu (gleason margaret)
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Subject: Re: X11R5 Re: [Bob Pendelton: Re: A question]
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Date: 23 Jan 92 03:13:30 GMT
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keener@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Paul T. Keener) writes:
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>In article <32302@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, chapinsj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin) writes:
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>> In article <1992Jan22.231937.3564@ctr.columbia.edu>, ejvette@pace3.cts.mtu.edu (Calvin) writes:
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>> >
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>> > I was led to believe that Linux was still socketless, and that X11 required
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>> > sockets to function at all. This was a good enough reason for the Minix
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>> > people to say that X could not be compiled on that OS. Am I wrong in either
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>> > of these statements?
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>>
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>> Yes and No. X requires a reliable byte stream. How you implement that is up
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>> to you. Of course, to run it "out of the box," it will want either TCP
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>> connections, unix domain sockets, or decnet connections.
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>>
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>Before this gets too far, there is a port of the mit X11R4 core to various PC unix
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>platforms and several VGA cards. The one main requirement that the README
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>specifies is that STREAMS must exist. I have included the README below.
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> stuff deleted ...
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>
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No No No.
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Do not believe anything anyone will tell out about X running without TCP
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It will not. If they say so make them prove it.
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Frank Gleason
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n8141165@henson.cc.wwu.edu
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From: n8141165@henson.cc.wwu.edu (gleason margaret)
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Subject: Re: compiling minix commands source on linux
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Date: 23 Jan 92 03:16:10 GMT
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tytso@athena.mit.edu (Theodore Y. Ts'o) writes:
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>In article <15302@awdprime.UUCP> rjohnbob@there.austin.ibm.com (John Harvey) writes:
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>>I was wondering what the legal point of view is on compiling minix commands
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>>on linux, and then later putting the entire source out on a linux archive.
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>>Commands like tty.c and date.c seem to compile ok. But is it a no-no to
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>>copy the source to a linux archive because it came on the minix
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>>diskettes?
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>Yes, this is a no-no. Minix is copyrighted. Linux is copyrighted, but
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>freely redistributable. This is not the case with Minix. Even putting
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>the binaries of Minix- or AT&T- derived sources is illegal, without
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>explicit permission from the copyright holders.
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I do not think this is true for every file in Minix. Many commands are
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or are derived from public domain code. I think the Minix people should
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be clearly marking the public domain code from the copyrighted code.
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Frank Gleason
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n8141165@henson.cc.wwu.edu
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From: bobp@hal.com (Bob Pendelton)
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Subject: Re: X11R5 Re: [Bob Pendelton: Re: A question]
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Date: 23 Jan 92 03:52:00 GMT
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From article <63327@netnews.upenn.edu>, by keener@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Paul T. Keener):
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> Before this gets too far, there is a port of the mit X11R4 core to various PC unix
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Yes, you don't need sockets. Now, could we take my name out of this
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discussion?
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Bob P.
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| Bob Pendleton | Engineering Anethema: |
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| bobp@hal.com | 1) You've earned an "I told you so." |
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| Speaking only for myself. | 2) Our customers don't do that. |
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From: glenn@cs.utexas.edu (Glenn G. Lai)
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Subject: Re: X11R5 Re: [Bob Pendelton: Re: A question]
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Date: 23 Jan 92 04:47:30 GMT
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In article <63327@netnews.upenn.edu>, keener@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Paul T. Keener) writes:
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> In article <32302@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, chapinsj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin) writes:
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> > In article <1992Jan22.231937.3564@ctr.columbia.edu>, ejvette@pace3.cts.mtu.edu (Calvin) writes:
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> > >
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> > > I was led to believe that Linux was still socketless, and that X11 required
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> > > sockets to function at all. This was a good enough reason for the Minix
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> > > people to say that X could not be compiled on that OS. Am I wrong in either
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> > > of these statements?
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> >
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> > Yes and No. X requires a reliable byte stream. How you implement that is up
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> > to you. Of course, to run it "out of the box," it will want either TCP
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> > connections, unix domain sockets, or decnet connections.
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> >
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>
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> Before this gets too far, there is a port of the mit X11R4 core to various PC unix
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> platforms and several VGA cards. The one main requirement that the README
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> specifies is that STREAMS must exist. I have included the README below.
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I'm the person who wrote all of the speedup routines of SpeedUp (currently
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at 1.0.2), an (much) enhanced X11R5 server for ET4000 boards running 386
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UNIXes (currently only Sys5r4s). It is rated at 6,275 XStones in 1024x768x256
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mode; this is significantly faster than the X386 1.2 server (but then 1.2 is
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ridiculously slow) that comes with the X11R5 distribution, and is from 30% to
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80% faster than X386 1.1b (what the README above was referring to) for the
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operations I've sped up. The measurements were done on a 33-MHz 386 + Cyrix
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83D87 and a 32-K cache.
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X11R5 can use TCP/IP connection, UNIX connection, or DECNET connection. To
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support X, the least painless way is to get UNIX domain sockets (and STREAMS)
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to work; they also give you better performance (but don't screw them up like
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Sys5r4.03 does). If anyone needs to use X across a network, the TCP/IP stuff
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can be added later. I don't see any good reason to add DECNET support.
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X11R5 needs a tremendous amount of memory. I use shared libs and an X session
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with an Emacs and an xterm (together with SpeedUp, the Sys5r4 kernel, and the
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normal daemons) uses about 6M. As you start up more X clients, memory will
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start to become a problem. To support X, it's best to break the 16-M barrier
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( :-) ), and make shared libs a part of Linux (for doing Linux development,
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don't use shared libs, as they tend to break lots of code).
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A friend introduced Linux to me, so if I somehow get the money to buy an extra
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(and large) disk and someone writes a SCSI driver for the Future Domain 860, I'd
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like to start to use it (and most likely do some work on X11R5 if someone would
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port it to Linux first). I'm currently using ESIX 4.03A.
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Glenn
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glenn@cs.utexas.edu
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From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
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Subject: New files on TSX-11.MIT.EDU
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Reply-To: tytso@athena.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1992 05:19:20 GMT
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~ftp/pub/linux/patches/fd.tar.Z
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New and improved floppy driver written by Lawrence Foard
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(entropy@ee.WPI.EDU). Includes formatting capability.
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~ftp/pub/linx/binaries/usr.bin/elvis.tar.Z
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PD version of VI. Compiled by Erik Schoenfelder
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(schoenfr@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de)
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~ftp/pub/linux/binaries/usr.bin/find-3.2.tar.Z
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GNU find 3.2 compiled under Linux 0.12. Supports symbolic
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links. Compiled by Douglas E. Quale (quale@saavik.cs.wisc)
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From: sundaram@cps3xx.cps.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram)
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Subject: Where are the #include files for GCC ?
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Date: 23 Jan 92 04:08:27 GMT
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I cannot find the #include files for GCC?
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Also, I cannot get Kermit to transfer files. Is there something I
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am missing here?
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Please send e-mail to das@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu
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Thanks
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Divya.
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From: jim wiegand <V5068U%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
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Subject: lp patches for linux 0.12
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Reply-To: V5068U%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1992 07:07:04 GMT
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hi all;
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i have uploaded to tsx-11.mit.edu lp.12.tar.Z, the lp patches for
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Linux 0.12. These patches implement a parallel printer interface
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and feature a greatly improved driver design. The file includes
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information to make the required special devices.
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enjoy.
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jim
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bug reports, comments, suggestions to v5068u at vm.temple.edu
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From: st@bbl.be (Simon Townsend)
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Subject: Re: alt.os.linux activity
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Reply-To: st@bbl.be (Simon Townsend)
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1992 07:23:33 GMT
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I dont know how the rest of you are set up and I'm not terribly well up on how news works anyway, but I understand that here in Belgium the news feed is direct from the States onto a backbone. The transport cost is shared by all who take a feed from the backbone - because of this, the feed is particularly selective and we dont see half the stuff we might like to, alt.os.linux included (democracy in action).
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If Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU is going to be an effective gateway I'm happy to use that.
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Simon Townsend st@bbl.be
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From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
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Subject: [jim wiegand: lp patches for linux 0.12]
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Reply-To: tytso@athena.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1992 07:24:15 GMT
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To be found in ~ftp/pub/linux/patches/lp.12.tar.Z
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======= Forwarded Message
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 92 01:58:40 EST
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From: jim wiegand <V5068U%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
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Subject: lp patches for linux 0.12
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To: tytso@Athena.MIT.EDU
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hi ted;
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i have uploaded lp.12.tar.Z to tsx-11.mit.edu. These are the patches
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for linux 0.12 to implement the line printer device. These patches
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include a much improved parallel driver.
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jim v5068u@vm.temple.edu
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From: entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard)
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Subject: New floppy driver
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Date: 23 Jan 92 04:52:04 GMT
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I uploaded the improved floppy driver to tsx-11.mit.edu, this allows you to
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format floppies as well as greatly speeding up reads. It may still have some
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problems expecially when comes to more than one floppy drive (I only have
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one), if it does weird things tell me :) Unfortunitly the documentation for
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the chip is dreadful at best, so god only knows what other things will crop up
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on slightly different floppy controllers.
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I was trying it with gnu multiple volume backups, it makes them fine but gnu
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tar bombs out instead of asking you for the next volume when reading them.
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I decided not to bother with auto format devices since you can always switch
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to another console and run format when needed.
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The file is fd.tar.Z, unfortunitly I don't know how you make patch files so
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it has a copy of all the modified files, eventhough most have only trivial
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changes.
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--
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Disclaimer: Opinions are based on logic rather than biblical "fact". ------
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Hackers do it for fun. | First they came for the drug users, I said \ /
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"Profesionals" do it for money. | nothing, then they came for hackers, \ /
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Managers have others do it for them. | I said nothing... STOP W.O.D. \/
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From: mont@netcom.netcom.com (Mont Pierce)
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Subject: switch over, you'll like it
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Reply-To: mont@netcom.netcom.com (Mont Pierce)
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1992 08:59:44 GMT
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All those of you still using the linux-activists@niksula.mit.fi really
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should switch over. If you can't get alt.os.linux locally, then just
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get on the mailling list for linux-activists@news-digests.mit.edu!!
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You will get exactly the same list that is posted to alt.os.linux.
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Send subscription request to linux-activists-request@news-digests.mit.edu.
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To encourage more people to support the newsgroup, all replys should at
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least be CCed to the newsgroup. I still get allot of replys on the
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mailing list only.
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Mont@netcom.com
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From: tthorn@daimi.aau.dk (Tommy Thorn)
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Subject: Re: Installation.
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Date: 22 Jan 92 12:12:07 GMT
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There ain't a snowmans chance in hell that linux will run on a 286:-)
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Seriously, this is a faq, but Linux need the 32-bit. End-of-Story
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/Tommy
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--
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Tommy Thorn email: tthorn@daimi.aau.dk
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Computer Science Department "People shouldn't work because they love it,
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Aarhus University they should work because it hurts."
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DENMARK -- Bob Sparacino, former Xerox executive
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From: arl@cs.hut.fi (Ari Lemmke)
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Subject: Re: compiling minix commands source on linux
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Date: 23 Jan 92 02:37:33 GMT
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In article <15302@awdprime.UUCP> rjohnbob@there.austin.ibm.com (John Harvey) writes:
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: I was wondering what the legal point of view is on compiling minix commands
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: on linux, and then later putting the entire source out on a linux archive.
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Not a good idea. Minux is a copyrighted commercial product.
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: Commands like tty.c and date.c seem to compile ok. But is it a no-no to
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: copy the source to a linux archive because it came on the minix diskettes?
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ast would not like it. We would not like it .. (we have
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then something common with ast ;-)
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: -john
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arl
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From: Andrew Haylett (GEC-Marconi Research Centre) <ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk>
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Subject: PD tar on Linux?
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Reply-To: ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1992 09:21:08 GMT
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I haven't seen this mentioned, in the last <n> months anyway, so thought I
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would mention it... Somebody pointed out recently the problem of backing up
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from a Linux partition onto floppy disks, particularly since the tar that comes
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with Linux can't handle multiple volumes. I dug out an MS-DOS port of the PD
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tar, which I grabbed (with source) quite some time ago. Here's an excerpt from
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the README:
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"This is a public domain tar(1) replacement. It implements the 'c',
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'x', and 't' commands of Unix tar, and many of the options. It creates
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P1003 "Unix Standard" [draft 6] tapes by default, and can read and
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write both old and new formats. It can decompress tar archives when
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reading them from disk files (using the 'z' option), but cannot do so
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when writing, or when reading from a tape drive. Its verbose output
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looks more like "ls -l" than the Unix tar, and even lines up the
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columns. It is a little better at reading damaged tapes than Unix tar."
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I have used it quite happily to extract tar files created on a Unix system.
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Now, the interesting thing is that it can also write to the floppy device
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directly, using BIOS calls in (presumably) much the same way as rawrite, *and*
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it can handle multiple volumes. It has options -V to set the volume name (eg.
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A) and -S to specify the volume size. I tried to write an archive onto floppy
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in this way, and then read it using the usual `tar xvf /dev/fd0...' on Linux.
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However, Linux tar barfs and says `skipping to next file header' after
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extracting the first file (the `diff' binary in this case). The file ends up
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with the right size under Linux, but differs from the `proper' version after
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about 3000 bytes or so. There is something subtle going on, apparently.
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However, apart from its possible utility in transferring files between
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MSDOS/Linux partitions conveniently, a port to Linux might be useful. The
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notes that come with the PD tar say that a port to Minix was done, but was
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dropped; the reason given being:
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"Due to an extreme lack of interest (I would almost say aggressive
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disinterest) on the part of Minix users, I no longer support the tar
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port for Minix outside IDA. The Minix port has not been beta tested
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as well as I would like due to the difficulty in finding Minix beta
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testers; however, the DOS port has been tested extensively at several
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locations for transferring files between DOS and Unix."
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I'll try compiling it with gcc and see what develops. If anyone else thinks it
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could be of any use at all, drop me a line. Or stop me if you've tried all
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this already...
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Andrew Haylett | Inet: ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk | Fax: +44 245 75244
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GEC-Marconi Research | Tel: +44 245 73331 x.3283 | Telex: 995016 GECRES G
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From: r36110m@kaira.hut.fi (Mika Matti Jalava)
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Subject: Re: compiling minix commands source on linux
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Date: 23 Jan 92 00:08:29 GMT
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In article <15302@awdprime.UUCP> rjohnbob@there.austin.ibm.com (John Harvey) writes:
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>Commands like tty.c and date.c seem to compile ok. But is it a no-no to
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>copy the source to a linux archive because it came on the minix diskettes?
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Isn't that just the idea of copyright? You may not copy the stuff
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without permission.
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Mika
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From: zhao@unixg.ubc.ca (Jiansheng Zhao)
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Subject: How to boot a PC from drive B:
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Date: 23 Jan 92 09:04:00 GMT
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A linux related question: PC is booted from drive A:. can it be done
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from drive B:, 1.44 MB, which will give me more space on system disk
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to play with.
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zhao@unixg.ubc.ca
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PS Thanks to those who sent me advice, I now have vi (elvis) installed
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on root drive and works well.
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From: rcarter@wpi.WPI.EDU (Randolph Carter (nee. Joseph H. Allen))
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Crossposted-To: comp.editors,alt.sources,comp.unix.xenix.misc
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Subject: JOE Version 0.1.2
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Date: 23 Jan 92 11:22:19 GMT
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Here (well on alt.sources, anyway) is what I think (hope) will be the last
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version of JOE before the rewrite (version 1.0.0). This version includes
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some quick fixes and additions to the previous one:
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* undo/redo are now a real undo system instead of undelete
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* keyboard macros added
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* repeat prefix added
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* capture shell output and pipe block through shell command added
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* A version for Linux is now included
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* Simple macros may be specified in the .joerc file
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* Some bugs in the paragraph reformat routine were fixed
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* The right margin may be specified in the .joerc file
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* A bug where strange things would happen if you typed \ in the
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search & replace prompt is fixed
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I have time now so I should be able to come out with the rewrite real-soon.
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Oh, and it looks like it will have a macro language. It's going to be C
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except that the C pointers will be buffer pointers. This won't make it more
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complicated to use- the only change I envision beyond what's in 0.1.2 is
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that ^K L will be able to take vi-style regular expressions and editor
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commands.
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--
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/* rcarter@wpi.wpi.edu */ /* Amazing */ /* Joseph H. Allen */
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int a[1817];main(z,p,q,r){for(p=80;q+p-80;p-=2*a[p])for(z=9;z--;)q=3&(r=time(0)
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+r*57)/7,q=q?q-1?q-2?1-p%79?-1:0:p%79-77?1:0:p<1659?79:0:p>158?-79:0,q?!a[p+q*2
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]?a[p+=a[p+=q]=q]=q:0:0;for(;q++-1817;)printf(q%79?"%c":"%c\n"," #"[!a[q-1]]);}
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From: Jack Dunn <jack@headless.larc.nasa.gov>
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Subject: subscribe
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Reply-To: jack@headless.larc.nasa.gov
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1992 12:23:35 GMT
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Please subscribe me to the linux mailing list.
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Jack Dunn
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