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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #202
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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
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To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 93 19:13:05 EDT
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Linux-Activists Digest #202, Volume #6 Sat, 4 Sep 93 19:13:05 EDT
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Contents:
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Please Please Send Me Your DIP Scripts (john s roberts)
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SLIP error (Thomas J Bilan)
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Re: QIC-36 supported? (Piercarlo Antonio Grandi)
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Re: BSD UNIX (Markus Wild)
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Re: BSD UNIX (Michael L. VanLoon)
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Re: A Word Processor for Linux (Bill Heiser)
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Installing the New Linux (Bolski)
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Re: (was: Re: A Word Processor for Linux) (Bill Heiser)
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Re: Can't install SLS w/UltraStor 24F SCSI card (Seth "the Lesser")
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Diamond Speedstar 24 VLB (Thomas J Bilan)
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Re: NeXTStep & Linux (crazy lion)
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Problem with mke2fs.. (Brett Michaels)
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EDB (Lawrence Gray)
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Re: A Word Processor for Linux (Brandon S. Allbery)
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From: johnr@nx58.mik.uky.edu (john s roberts)
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Subject: Please Please Send Me Your DIP Scripts
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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 16:31:11 GMT
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I really really want to automate the whole process of starting up slip. If
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anyone could please send me ANY scripts they are using with DIP I would
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appreciate it.
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Thanks so much,
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John
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--
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-=+ John S. Roberts, Jr. 100 McVey Hall Work: 257-2275 +=-
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-=+ University of Kentucky Home: 272-1417 - FAX: 272-7105 +=-
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From: bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan)
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Subject: SLIP error
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Date: 4 Sep 1993 19:15:14 GMT
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I finally got SLIP working with DIP and now I'm running into a whole set
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or new problems.
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***** Datagram fragmentation not yet supported *****
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I looked in the man pages for ifconfig and it says to crank up the mtu
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parameter to around 4096.
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So I type:
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>ifconfig sl0 up mtu 4096
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and then I do another ifconfig sl0. The mtu parameter has changed to 4096
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but I still get the same error message. (now getting upset)
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I type:
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>ifconfig sl0 up mtu 32768
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and I still get the same error message! (dooooh)
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Does anyone know if there has been a new distribution of DIP that accepts
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datagram frag? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong parameters.
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Tom Bilan
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newbie but getting better
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--
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/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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$ Department of Death by Engineering ^ Surgeon General's Warning: $
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$ Michigan State University ^ Graduate School may cause brain $
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$ bilan@cps.msu.edu ^ damage and sporadic loss of hair $
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From: pcg@decb.aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Antonio Grandi)
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Subject: Re: QIC-36 supported?
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Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 19:37:00 GMT
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Various people write:
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: >: I have my eye on a tape drive (Wangtek 5150EN, I think) which has a
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: >: QIC-36 interface. Does the Linux kernel support QIC-36? If so, will the
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: >: tape drive work out of the box or does some work need to be done for
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: >: Linux to support QIC-36?
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: >NO, LINUX WILL *NEVER* SUPPORT QIC36 !!!!!!
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: >So, buy the Wangtek (good drive if you get it cheap !) and get either
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: >an external SCSI to QIC36 controller and use the setup with your
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: >SCSI controller or get a (hopefully supported) QIC02 controller that
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: >works with your drive.
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: This is inaccurate. On my system, (Gateway 486/33, ISA), the QIC-02
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: driver works fine with a QIC-36 card and Wangtek 5150EN. No SCSI needed.
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: I don't understand the QIC interfaces well enough to explain why this is
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: an expected result :^), but I was told by "people who know" that the
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: combination should work. And it did.
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On Fri, 3 Sep 1993 01:24:14 GMT, Remco Treffkorn
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(root@hip-hop.suvl.ca.us) wrote:
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Oh boy, here we go again.. I hope I will get it right in a few words .
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Well, you didn't quite... :-)
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The driver talks to the SCSI controller. The SCSI controller talks to
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a card that speaks SCSI on one end and QIC36 on the other. Result:
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Your drive drives...
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The next possibility: The driver talks to a controller that looks like
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a QIC02 interface. QIC02 is a bit more intelligent then QIC36. It
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defines things like certain commands and a protocoll. This controller
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has a QIC36 connector that you connect your drive to. Voila, your dive
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drives!
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No. Let's be clear about this: QIC-02 and QIC-36 are standards for the
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IO (ISA/EISA/MCA are *system* buses; SCSI is an IO bus; IDE arguably is
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an IO bus specification that is almost identical to the ISA system bus
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specification) *bus* between the host controller in your PC and the
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device controller bolted on the tape drive. With QIC-36 the host
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controller is more sophisticated than the drive controller; with QIC-02
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the latter is more sophisticated.
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Neither QIC-02 nor QIC-36 have *any* relationship whatsoever to the
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programmatic interface between the driver in Linux and the host
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controller, to the hw interface between the motherboard and the host
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controller, or (just to be complete) the format in which data are
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recorded on the tape.
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Now, what really matters to the Linux driver is the programmatic
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interface (which IO ports the host controller uses, which commands, and
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so on).
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There are several different programmatic interfaces, but *most* host
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controllers that communicate with tape drives over a QIC-02 or QIC-36
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bus have either the Wangtek/Everex interface or the Archive interface,
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which are BTW rather similar to each other. The Linux QIC-02 (a
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misnomer) driver supports _both_, irrespective of whether the host
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controller actually drives a QIC-02 or QIC-36 bus. In particular most
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Wangtek/Everex host controllers have the same interface, whether they
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support QIC-02 or QIC-36.
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As you can see, your "QIC36" card is really something that is QIC02 on
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one end and QIC36 on the other.
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I think I never heard of a board that enables a QIC-36 tape drive to hang
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off a QIC-02 bus, or viceversa; there are at least two that allow a QIC-02
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or QIC-36 tape drive to hang off a SCSI bus, but they are rather ancient.
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To end: the names of some Everex/Archive host controllers that have (nearly)
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the same programmatic interface: 811/831, 409/499.
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: mw@eunet.ch (Markus Wild)
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Subject: Re: BSD UNIX
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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 19:44:24 GMT
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In article <CCu0s1.29o@ssesco.com> rhealey@gorp.ssesco.com (Rob Healey) writes:
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>In article <michaelv.747102277@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
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>>In <CGD.93Sep3160517@erewhon.CS.Berkeley.EDU> cgd@erewhon.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou) writes:
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>>> amiga "production"
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>>>re: amiga: just because binaries aren't available on -lamp doesn't
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>>>mean it's not in production use... there are many places carrying
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>>>binaries for it in europe, but their names all escape me right now...
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>>Finally, a reason to buy an Amiga... :-) I'm almost tempted.
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> Hey now! B^). I'll pit the 3000's 0.9 I/O performance against any
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> 386 or 486 based system any day!
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>
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> I hear the screen/console code doesn't take full advantage of
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> the hardware yet tho. And there is the issue of shared, or
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> better yet dynamic, librarys.
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> I run SVR4 on my Amiga tho so I'm not 100% up to date on 0.9's
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> status.
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Huh.. take care Rob.. The A3000 does indeed have nice I/O performance,
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but you won't exploit it with Amiga SVR4.. this one contains one of the
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most dreadful implementations of a scsi driver I've seen on the amiga...
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I did a quick iozone test on a 30M file (as was suggested in an
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unrelated thread here):
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bash# a.out 30 8192
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IOZONE: Performance Test of Sequential File I/O -- V1.16 (10/28/92)
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By Bill Norcott
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Operating System: POSIX 1003.1-1988
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Send comments to: norcott_bill@tandem.com
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IOZONE writes a 30 Megabyte sequential file consisting of
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3840 records which are each 8192 bytes in length.
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It then reads the file. It prints the bytes-per-second
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rate at which the computer can read and write files.
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Writing the 30 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...53.816667 seconds
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Reading the file...29.700000 seconds
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IOZONE performance measurements:
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584526 bytes/second for writing the file
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1059167 bytes/second for reading the file
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This was on a totally "untuned" fs, I'll try and see if tunefs can
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change the values significantly, I doubt it though. If I could hack
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disksort() to not only sort blocks, but really merge them, that would
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make for a whole lot more improvement (I could more or less double
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performance when reading from the raw disk device just by doubling
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block sizes...)
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The screen/console code has been improved in the meantime, the console
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part that runs on the native chip set (I'm myself using the Retina
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console, which is based on the NCR 77C22E+ VGA chip) now uses the
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Copper for scrolling, which should give it similar performance as the
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Amiga SVR4 console, you don't really notice you're writing into a
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bitmapped framebuffer.
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As for dynamic libraries, there will be a NetBSD solution, not an
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Amiga solution.
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For those interested into more details about the Amiga port, subscribe
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to the netbsd-amiga mailing list, just write to
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netbsd-admin@cbmuucp.commodore.com (note that commodore just kindly
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allowed to run the list on one of their machines, they're not involved
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into NetBSD at all).
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-Markus
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BTW: binaries for NetBSD for the Amiga are available on ftp.eunet.ch,
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software/os/bsd/NetBSD/NetBSD-Amiga, however, the current ones are
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really old, if you can, either recompile yourself or wait a week
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or so, I'll upload a new set by then.
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--
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CHUUG/EUnet Switzerland Markus Wild
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Zweierstrasse 35 Tel: +41 1 291 45 80 mw@eunet.ch
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CH-8004 Zuerich Fax: +41 1 291 46 42 S=mw;P=EUnet;A=EUnet;C=CH
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
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Subject: Re: BSD UNIX
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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 19:49:56 GMT
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In <CCu0s1.29o@ssesco.com> rhealey@gorp.ssesco.com (Rob Healey) writes:
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>In article <michaelv.747102277@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
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>>In <CGD.93Sep3160517@erewhon.CS.Berkeley.EDU> cgd@erewhon.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou) writes:
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>>> amiga "production"
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>>>re: amiga: just because binaries aren't available on -lamp doesn't
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>>>mean it's not in production use... there are many places carrying
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>>>binaries for it in europe, but their names all escape me right now...
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>>Finally, a reason to buy an Amiga... :-) I'm almost tempted.
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> Hey now! B^). I'll pit the 3000's 0.9 I/O performance against any
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> 386 or 486 based system any day!
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This is exactly why I made my comment. I've never been terribly fond
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of the Amiga OS, but I would take a 68k processor box over the Intel
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crap any day, if I could run the same software on each.
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I truly think it would be worth picking up a used Amiga just to turn
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into a unix (NetBSD) box.
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--
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Michael L. VanLoon Project Vincent Systems Staff
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michaelv@iastate.edu Iowa State University Computation Center
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From: heiser@bumetb.bu.edu (Bill Heiser)
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Subject: Re: A Word Processor for Linux
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Date: 4 Sep 1993 20:39:56 GMT
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Reply-To: heiser@bumetb.bu.edu (Bill Heiser)
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In article <falk.744543195@unixg.ubc.ca> falk@unixg.ubc.ca (David Falk) writes:
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>Yet,I have found that the only thing that keeps me tied to the DOS world
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>is the lack of a good word processor in the UNIX World. I would like to make
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Things like WORDPERFECT are available for UNIX, but not as far as I know
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for LINUX. And I'd be surprised if it *ever* is. It is hard to get
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around the fact that the "home type apps" available for PCs just aren't
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available for Unix of any flavor. For example, when was the last time
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you saw something equivalent to "QUICKEN", or "XTALK/WIN" for any
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Unix platform?
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As much as I prefer working in the UNIX environment, I too am forced to
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keep a DOS/win environment available. As it is now, I have to boot
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DOS or LINUX, depending on which things I need to do.
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Of course if LINUX can evenutally run WINDOWS apps, that will solve it
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for me :-) :-) At that point, WIN will go away :-)
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(but of course when you work in the industry, it is good to stay in
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touch with the "popular" things .... so it's still good to work with
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Win (and NT) enough to stay famliar with them, etc, ... .but that's
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a different issue.
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From: iks@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bolski)
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Subject: Installing the New Linux
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Date: 4 Sep 93 20:39:08 GMT
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I'm having problems installing the newest version of Linux. First off, here
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is my set-up:
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80386/SX 33 mhz
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4 megs of memory
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170 megs HD
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Drive a: is a 1.44 meg
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Trident SVGA 1Meg (8900C)
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If I load the A1 disk into the ramdisk, I can't use the "install" login.
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I'll login alright, but if I try to make a swap partition or the root
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partition, I run out of memory (some message like, "new couldn't allocate
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memory - out of memory") or something like that. Also, if I go ahead and
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do my OWN mke2fs'ing and fdisk'ing, I'm okay until I try to install the
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system using doinstall. When I insert the A2 disk, it starts reading it
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but then says it ran out of memory and skips onto the next file to install.
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But, it isn't installing the files.
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If I DON'T load the the floppy into the ramdisk, I can do the above, but
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when it comes time to insert the next disk (e.g. A2), I can't have it
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write protected and then garbage just flies all over my screen. I've ran
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the previous version of Linux without a hitch. If I DON'T have the disk
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write protected, Linux trashes it.
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Anyone have any ideas on this? I'd really like to get linux up and running,
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but it looks like I'm out of luck at this time. I can't install the previous
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version because I put the new version onto the old disks.
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From: heiser@bumetb.bu.edu (Bill Heiser)
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Subject: Re: (was: Re: A Word Processor for Linux)
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Date: 4 Sep 1993 20:43:24 GMT
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Reply-To: heiser@bumetb.bu.edu (Bill Heiser)
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In article <WEASEL.93Aug5160625@mecom.oulu.fi> weasel@mecom.oulu.fi (Kari T. Salmela) writes:
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>
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> By the way, I have noticed that old UNIX farts are absolutely
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>most conservative persons I've ever met. Not even IBM<tm> :) mainframe
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[...]
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>It's kinda sad to see 25 year old people who are totally fixed to
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>their old customs, unable and unwilling to learn & use anything which
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>has been coded in the 80's or 90's..
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25-year old people are "old unix farts"????
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From: slb22@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Can't install SLS w/UltraStor 24F SCSI card
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Date: 4 Sep 1993 21:12:23 GMT
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Reply-To: slb22@columbia.edu
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Thanks to the many people who sent me helpful email. Essentially, the
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consensus was that my options were:
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1.) Junk the UltraStor and get an Adaptec 1742.
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2.) Get some friendly person with a working Linux installation to patch the
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kernel for me, then replace the zImage on the SLS A1 disk with the
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patched zImage and send me the disk image file.
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3.) Sit on my duff and whine.
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I have opted for a version of #2, namely, to take everything off my hard
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drive and reformat it in IDE-emulation mode, then install Linux, patch the
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kernel myself, reformat the drive in SCSI mode, and reinstall Linux. I
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hope to have it up and running in a week or so.... :-)
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Seth L. Blumberg, M.S.E. \ `Mud wasps had built nests inside these nice
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slb22@columbia.edu \ little holes.' `Inside our hydrogen bomb?' `Well,
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CUSFS President-in-Exile \ as I say, inside these nice little holes.'
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> No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
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From: bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan)
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Subject: Diamond Speedstar 24 VLB
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Date: 4 Sep 1993 21:24:02 GMT
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Does anyone have a sample Xconfig that will use the Speedstar 24 VLB? I
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really don't know what to change to get it running correctly. So far I
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haven't even been able to run in mono VGA but I'm sure it's my lack of
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knowledge not the computers fault.
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Thanks,
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Tom Bilan
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--
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/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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$ Department of Death by Engineering ^ Surgeon General's Warning: $
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$ Michigan State University ^ Graduate School may cause brain $
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$ bilan@cps.msu.edu ^ damage and sporadic loss of hair $
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From: rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion)
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Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux
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Date: 4 Sep 1993 11:46:59 -0400
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martini@tournesol.hep.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Ullrich Martini) writes:
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>hi,
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>we here a lot about running ms-windows apps on linux boxes, but there are
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>much better user interfaces than windows, for example NeXT Step. this is
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>why i am wondering if there are any activities to build a next-linux
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>interface like wabi.
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>maybe it would be sufficient to have a source-code compatibility. is it true
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>that the objective-c compiler used by next is available and ported to linux?
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>(heard something like that)
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>bye, ullrich
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nextssetp is, in my opinion the best OS there is. but it's hardware
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requirements are just too great for intel. you'd have to have a fully
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loaded comupter to even get one program running. so i doubt that anyoe
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would spend all the time it owuld take to write it when few could benefit..
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rl
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From: brettm@access.digex.net (Brett Michaels)
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Subject: Problem with mke2fs..
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Date: 4 Sep 1993 12:19:23 -0400
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
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Subject: Problem with mke2fs..
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Summary:
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Expires:
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Sender:
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Followup-To:
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Distribution:
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Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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Keywords:
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I have installed SLS 1.03 onmy 386 but ran into a problem when preparing
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the filesystem.
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When executing mke2fs I got:
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Could not find block to write inode table.
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I had to reduce my partitin size from 80 to 70MB to get it to work. Once
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I did this the mke2fs command worked fine and I was able to get the base
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system installed. However, I want to use Xwindows and this need more than
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the base system.
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Any ideas about what went wrong?
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From: lag@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lawrence Gray)
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Subject: EDB
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Date: 4 Sep 93 22:44:56 GMT
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Hi,
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A friend showed me EDB (Emacs Database) and I need to know
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if I can get this running on my linux system?
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Does anyone have any success using EDB?
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Thanks,
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Larry Gray
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Larry Gray Internet: lag@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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can be found ONLY at this address:
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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
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Subject: Re: A Word Processor for Linux
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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 22:12:38 GMT
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In article <26aues$i9v@news.bu.edu> heiser@bumetb.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) writes:
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>Things like WORDPERFECT are available for UNIX, but not as far as I know
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>for LINUX. And I'd be surprised if it *ever* is. It is hard to get
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I wouldn't. Especially with iBCS-2 support under development.
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>you saw something equivalent to "QUICKEN", or "XTALK/WIN" for any
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>Unix platform?
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I'm working on a replacement for Quicken. Slowly...
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++Brandon
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Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
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"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
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of careful development." ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca
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