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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 22:13:07 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #223
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Linux-Activists Digest #223, Volume #6 Sun, 12 Sep 93 22:13:07 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: SLS 1.03 hangs (C.A. Peskin)
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Re: Source and desirability (Kerry Person)
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LaTeX (latex.fmt) in SLS 1.03, bum copy? (Guru Aleph_Null)
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Re: Thrashing - how to quantify (Charles T Wilson -- Personal Account)
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Defrag'ers and SZ prob's (Robert Seal (Law))
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ftape-0.96 encrypepted ?? (Joerg Wesemann)
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Re: Defrag'ers and SZ prob's (Matthew J. Ryan)
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Where and what? (Johnnie Walker)
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X.25 for Linux?? (azevedo)
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ext2_new_block: unable to locate free bit (Larry "Bob" Mulcahy)
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Re: Thrashing - how to quantify (Piercarlo Grandi)
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Re: Mathmatica like package for linux? (Jeff Stern)
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Re: Thrashing - how to quantify (John Henders)
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Need install help on SLS disks! (ph9991_hall@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu)
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Suggestion needed on buying PC (Chi Gu)
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Re: Installing rom NFS. (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
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Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS? (Bill Heiser)
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Re: LaTeX (latex.fmt) in SLS 1.03, bum copy? (Thomas Dunbar)
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From: cap2624@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.A. Peskin)
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Subject: Re: SLS 1.03 hangs
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 15:20:49 GMT
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I had the same problem when booting off a1.3 of the SLS 1.03 dist.
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After my sound card is recognized, it just hangs. I have a Pro Audio
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Spectrum 16, and I never had any interupt conflits while running under
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ms-dos.
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| Rochester Institute of Technology Chris A. Peskin |
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| Electrical Engineering |
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From: kperson@plains.NoDak.edu (Kerry Person)
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Subject: Re: Source and desirability
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 16:56:02 GMT
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In article <wjsand01.747814607@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> wjsand01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (William J. Sandman) writes:
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>C
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>Ok, Ok... I'm a unix greenhorn.. I admit it.. No Flames please
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No flames, just a redirect.
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Your questions are among the most commonly asked, so a FAQ (frequently
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asked questions) list has been put together with all the answers.
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Here's two things you need to know:
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1. This newsgroup is being phased out in favor of comp.os.linux.****,
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where **** is "help", "development", "misc", and "admin".
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2. In comp.os.linux.help, there is a regularly posted article with the
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subject "READ THIS BEFORE POSTING..." or something like that. It tells
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where to get all sorts of info on Linux. After you've read all the stuff
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it points you at, you should check the help newsgroup for any other
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questions you may have, then post if you don't see it.
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Have fun.
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Kerry J. Person Electrical Engineering
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kperson@plains.Nodak.edu North Dakota State University
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kperson@badlands.Nodak.edu Fargo, ND USA
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From: spj@ukelele.gcr.com (Guru Aleph_Null)
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Subject: LaTeX (latex.fmt) in SLS 1.03, bum copy?
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 16:46:11 GMT
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Does anyone know if the LaTeX in SLS Linux 1.03 is a bad copy? I've
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reinstalled it twice (the first time the latex.fmt file was a
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different size and the second time latex still says "I'm stymied.")
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and it still doesn't work.
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--
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Simon "Guru Aleph-Null" Janes |... don't crespt the weasal ...
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<spj@ukelele.gcr.com> |... just think of the master ...
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|... feel the grass, softly ...
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From: ctwilson@rock.concert.net (Charles T Wilson -- Personal Account)
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Subject: Re: Thrashing - how to quantify
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Date: 12 Sep 1993 19:10:15 GMT
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In article <26v9m5$spd@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> rj3@motmot.doc.ic.ac.uk (Richard William Jones) writes:
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>When I run gcc on my machine with 5 megs of real memory installed, it
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>seems to run very slowly and swap frequently ... So it's probably thrashing ...
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Thrashing occurs when the primary activity of the OS is dealing with page
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faults..ie, servicing requests for the necessary pieces/parts of the
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executable(s) and data. Even though your system is not necessarily under
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a heavy load, very little seems to happen. A lot a swapping does not
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necessarily mean your system is thrashing, which is not to say that you
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wouldn't want more ram. I can't say about your situation from here. I'd
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be more inclined to believe that you're having problems with your ram
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(assuming you're not also running X at the same time...a heavy load for
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5 megs of ram).
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>What I need is a way to quantify exactly how much time is spent swapping
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>in/out and how much is spent running the program. This way I can start
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>to tune the system. The obvious choice is ps, but this doesn't seem to give
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>the info I need, and really I'm stuck. Does anyone have any ideas?
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I don't think I've heard of a need for more than 16 megs. I run fairly
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well with 8 megs physical and 16 megs swap, which includes X. I plan
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on getting more, but I'm not exactly suffering from excessive swapping.
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>Secondly, how much real memory am I going to need? This stuff is expensive,
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>and I think my only option is to go for the full 16+4 megs (I've only got
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>8 slots, with 4+1 config at the moment). This will cost more than I can bear
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>at the moment. Is there another solution.
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I'd start by pulling that bank of 256K simms out just to see what happens.
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If you run about the same (or even speed up), then those simms are either
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defective or not entirely compatible the other bank of simms. Like many
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other OS's, Linux uses ram more thoroughly ( poor choice of words, but the
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right ones won't come to me) than something like DOS, and will 'separate
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the wheat from the chaff', so to speak.
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I hope vendors aren't trying to make hay over the fire at that resin factory;
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it was back in operation in at least partial capacity about two weeks after
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the accident. Just previous to this, 70 ns RAM (what I use) was averaging
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about $35/meg from most of the vendors I pay attention to. Has this changed
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very much? Just as an example of what can happen, a local PC show had
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vendors selling 60-70 ns RAM at anywhere from $40 - $95 per meg just after the
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fire; at least that's what I was personally aware of.
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| Tom Wilson | "I can't complain, but sometimes |
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| ctwilson@rock.concert.net | I still do." |
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From: rseal@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Robert Seal (Law))
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Subject: Defrag'ers and SZ prob's
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Date: 12 Sep 93 18:58:16 GMT
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I was looking around the other day for a defrager for a ext2 type
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fs. I have found on defrager for a standard fs, but not for a
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extended. Does anyone know if one exsists? And if so, where can
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I get it. I need it because of HEAVY usage of my Linux machine!
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Also, sometimes when uses try to use sz and download, they encounter
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lots off errors. I am gettying the port the modem is on at
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19.2 baud [using a HS 14.4k]. I have CTS/RTS one, but regardless
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of the callers speed, I still encounter problems. Actually, I
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have had this same problem on other Unix machines as well
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[SunOS, Ultrix, etc].... Thank!
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rseal@mailer.cc.fsu.edu
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From: joergw@zem.pc-labor.uni-bremen.de (Joerg Wesemann)
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Subject: ftape-0.96 encrypepted ??
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 19:41:56 GMT
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Hi folks,
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a few minutes ago i got ftape-0.96 from sunsite.
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Gzip gives me an error: ... is encrypted use a newer version of gzip
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I use gzip 1.2.4 ...
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Please mail me a solution.
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Thanks in advance,
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Joerg
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+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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| Joerg Wesemann joergw@pc-labor.uni-bremen.de |
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| Auf der Heide 12 2b||~2b |
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| 28832 Achim |
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| -49 - 4202 - 75518 |
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| Germany |
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From: ryanm4@hall104.its.rpi.edu (Matthew J. Ryan)
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Subject: Re: Defrag'ers and SZ prob's
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Date: 12 Sep 1993 21:10:27 GMT
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Reply-To: ryanm4@rpi.edu
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|> Also, sometimes when uses try to use sz and download, they encounter
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|> lots off errors. I am gettying the port the modem is on at
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|> 19.2 baud [using a HS 14.4k]. I have CTS/RTS one, but regardless
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|> of the callers speed, I still encounter problems. Actually, I
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|> have had this same problem on other Unix machines as well
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|> [SunOS, Ultrix, etc].... Thank!
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|>
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I have experienced the same problem - I have noticed that the error occurs
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when the comm program writes what it has to disk. it may be just a
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coincidence, but wouldn't that mean that the incoming data is overflowing?
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I dunno....just a wild stab. I would appreciate a real answer, though, if
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anyone knows whats going on.
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From: koellner@galaxy.fernuni-hagen.de (Johnnie Walker)
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Subject: Where and what?
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Date: 12 Sep 1993 21:17:17 GMT
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Hi everybody!
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Now I am going to kill MessDoss off my computer.
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What I want is the linux system, X11 with xview, gnu C++ to run with
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an Adaptec 1542C and Quantum LPS240S plus Genoa 7900 Videocard.
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The question is:
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Where will I get the latest sources needed, and what will I need
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to fetch? I have searched several ftp sites in germany, but did not
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find very useful information about that. I understand that the current
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version of kernel sources is something like 0.99-12, but what about the
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rest? Is there a special linux edition of X11 and gnu packages, or should I
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get the standard unix distributions? And is there some precompiled version
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of gcc anywhere?
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How much disk space would I need for the whole lot?
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Answers to email address below s.v.p.
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Peter Koellner
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Student of Idiocy at the university of Dortmund
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EMAIL:koellner@fernuni-hagen.de
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From: adriano@leland.Stanford.EDU (azevedo)
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Subject: X.25 for Linux??
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 21:28:57 GMT
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I'm looking for some (hopefully public domain) X.25 software
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for Linux, any hint?
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Adriano
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internet: adriano@leland.Stanford.EDU
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: lmulcah@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com (Larry "Bob" Mulcahy)
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Subject: ext2_new_block: unable to locate free bit
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 18:51:20 GMT
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Lately I'm having big problems with the ext2fs. 10-20 times a day my
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system coughs up the message
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ext2_new_block: Unable to locate free bit in block group 115
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generally as it's receiving news via uucp. I can run a full e2fsck
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(-afv or -acfv) right after getting several of these errors and it
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detects nothing wrong.
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I have a 1 GB Maxtor P0-12S and an Adaptec 1542B SCSI controller. 115
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is the last block on the device. I'm running the 0.99.12 kernel with
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the 18 August `small patch.'
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Larry Mulcahy
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lmulcah@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com larry@ambient.uucp
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From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
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Subject: Re: Thrashing - how to quantify
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Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 22:08:14 GMT
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>>> On 12 Sep 1993 19:10:15 GMT, ctwilson@rock.concert.net (Charles T
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>>> Wilson -- Personal Account) said:
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Charles> I hope vendors aren't trying to make hay over the fire at that
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Charles> resin factory; it was back in operation in at least partial
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Charles> capacity about two weeks after the accident.
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A lot of people made a bundle speculating on the rise; a lot of people
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will lose a bundle as soon as the bubble explodes. There is no content
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to the idea that the factory fire affected production schedules for RAM
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packages; it was very probably just used as an excuse by some clever
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people with lots of SIMMs on stock to unload them at a high price by
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stimulating a panic.
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If you want to prove this to yourself, dear reader, just consider: the
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factory supposedly produced chip bonding resin; thus in practice only
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the SIMMs using 1Mbit chips should have become significantly scarcer and
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more expensive, not *all* SIMMs, including those using 4Mbit chips
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(which require 1/4 of bonding resin per megabyte as the others). What
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instead has happened is that there has been a proportional, not flat
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raise in price.
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From: jstern@aris.ss.uci.edu (Jeff Stern)
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Subject: Re: Mathmatica like package for linux?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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Date: 12 Sep 93 22:39:21 GMT
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If you get any responses to this, I'd be interested. I know there is
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something online which you might try compiling, called maxima-4-155
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which you might be interested in. But it might not do everything
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you're looking for. I myself have sent e-mail to Wolfram asking them
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whether they'd be interested in a port to Linux or 386bsd, and they
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haven't responded. However, in my latest edition of the Mathematica
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Newsletter they mentioned they are porting to several new
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architectures /systems, including NextStep for Intel. This version is
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currently in the testing stage, which is a far cry from the 'planning'
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stages of some of the other architectures...
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Hope this helps.
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Jeff Stern <jstern@aris.ss.uci.edu>
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"Timex Sinclair UNIX.. coming soon to a dealer near you."
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From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
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Subject: Re: Thrashing - how to quantify
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 22:10:37 GMT
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rj3@motmot.doc.ic.ac.uk (Richard William Jones) writes:
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>When I run gcc on my machine with 5 megs of real memory installed, it
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>seems to run very slowly and swap frequently ... So it's probably thrashing ...
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Secondly, how much real memory am I going to need? This stuff is expensive,
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>and I think my only option is to go for the full 16+4 megs (I've only got
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>8 slots, with 4+1 config at the moment). This will cost more than I can bear
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>at the moment. Is there another solution.
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8 megs should do you ok. It used to be more than enough, but the
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jump from gcc 2.3.3 to 2.4.5 seems to have increased memory usage by a
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bit. I never had swapping with 2.3.3 in 8 megs, now, about 1.5. meg
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gets pushed into swap when I compile the kernel. Most of this is
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probably from the switch to g++, but even compiling c code is slower
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with 2.4.5.
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John Henders GO/MU/E d* -p+ c+++ l++ t- m--- s/++ g+ w+++ -x+
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From: ph9991_hall@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
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Subject: Need install help on SLS disks!
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Date: 12 Sep 93 19:02:45 -0600
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I've been a regular reader on this group for ~1yr, and I thought I had down
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all the options for getting out of an install problem for Linux. No such luck
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on my first install attempt today. I need help!
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INFORMATION:
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I am using the SLS disks obtained from Softlanding Software directly. All
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disks write-prot. EXCEPT disk A1 (as per instructions.) Previously, I've been
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running Dos 5.0, no Windows (if that makes a difference.)
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I run a '386 DX machine with VGA, 80Mb hd, 8Mb ram, 1 1.44Mb 3.5" drive, 1
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360kb 5.25" drive (never used anyway).
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I want to install the full base system + XWindows. (~70Mb)
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Yes, I have read the manuals and the info sheet that came with the disks
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explaining how to install.
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PROBLEM:
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Upon install, I was given this description of my system:
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/dev/hda1 * 1 1 980 83291+ DOS 16-bit >= 32M
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This looked okay, so I chose "Done" on the menu... I assume that the "DOS
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16-bit" part is normal, that it recognizes that I have DOS on there already.
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But when SLS was trying to install Linux on my system, I was met with a
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thousand error messages telling me that it couldn't create directories, or
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that files did not exist! After trying to install several pkgs from the menu,
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I quit, and checked that there WAS INDEED Linux on my system. Yup, I have
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Linux on my machine. Or at least, I have a root directory with /bin and all
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that.
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I tried to install Linux _again_, thinking maybe I had misinterpreted tar's
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error messages. But, now it claims that it's run out of disk space, and I
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sure as heck didn't install anything more than the FAQ and some of the bin
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files! (I kept install notes.)
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If anyone can help me, I'd appreciate it greatly. The info sheet from SLS
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says that their release takes the "hassle out of setting up" a Linux system,
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so I assume that I am just being a dummy ;-) and misinterpreting something.
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Please tell me that I haven't f*cked something so badly it can't be undone.
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I'm a physics major, not a cs major, so I'm in the dark here.
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REPLY-TO: James.F.Hall@uwrf.edu
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From: gc@ArtSci.WuStL.EDU (Chi Gu)
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Subject: Suggestion needed on buying PC
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 01:14:03 GMT
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Hi, Netters,
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I need suggestion/advice on the following:
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1) I plan to buy a PC and put Linux on it. The machine will use phone line
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to connect to my department machine. Is GW2000 Dx2-66 a good choice?
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If buy from GW2000, then
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2) Which RAM config is more appropriate, 8meg. or 16 meg.?
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3) I suppose the ATI XLR card works with Linux? I don't read this group
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very often, but have seen quite alot discussion/complaints about the ATI
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vs. Diamond stuff :-)
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4) I plan to install X11 on the PC. How big should the HD be? Is 340meg
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appropriate? I remember seeing someone suggested to ask GW that the HD been
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pre-partitioned for both Linux and Dos, how and what should I ask?
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5) I guess it's better to get a true USR modem from another vendor instead
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of GW? Can anyone suggest some names? How about their price, and software
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for the modem?
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6) How about the CD-ROM from GW? Is it supported by Linux? or more generally
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it it true SCSI-2 drive? If not, where can I get a CD-ROM working with both
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DOS and Linux? Price?
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Thanks for any info/advice/feed. Please reply thru e-mail. My address:
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gc@math.wustl.edu
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Charlse Gu
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Washington Univ. St. Louis
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 93 10:53:19 +0100
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From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
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Subject: Re: Installing rom NFS.
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Hello Stephane and all others,
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on 10.09.93 Stephane Proulx wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX:
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SP> I cannot install SLS 1.03 from NFS. Network not configure proprely.
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Try to use the "old" (3-Aug) a1.5 installation disk. Rawrite can write
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it to a 3.5" floppy, too.
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It worked this way here (subnetted C-net).
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Greetings ... Eberhard
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
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From: bill@unixland.ci.net (Bill Heiser)
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Subject: Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS?
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 23:59:12 GMT
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In article <michaelv.747547179@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
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>>>iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
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>>>>In article <chmae.747045462@guug.de> chmae@guug.de (Christoph Maethner) writes:
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>>>>>I don't think I will ever need a 486 , I would perfer more RAM.
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>>Wouldn't this, however, be an argument *for* getting a 486? I am just
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>>wondering, as I have heard that UNIX on a 486 should conceivably run
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>>better because the 486's hardware, especially if it has a local bus,
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>No matter how fast the drive and controller, RAM will always be
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>faster.
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I ran a Unix SVR3 on a 386/25. I then upgraded the machine to a
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486/33. Overall system performance was *twice* as fast (using the
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same peripherals) with the 486 machine than on the 386.
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--
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Bill Heiser heiser@world.std.com
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bill@unixland.ci.net (unixland is a private home system)
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From: tdunbar@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar)
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Subject: Re: LaTeX (latex.fmt) in SLS 1.03, bum copy?
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Date: 13 Sep 1993 01:33:03 GMT
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the latex.fmt file in latex.tgz is one that is compatible with
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the virtex in texbin.tgz..it's simple enought to update your
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latex.fmt though. just run:
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initex lplain \\dump; mv lplain.fmt /usr/TeX/lib/tex/formats/latex.fmt
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NOTE: for a while i had binaries posted that only looked
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in subdirs of /usr/TeX/lib/tex/inputs for files. if ur binary
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cant find lplain.tex either:
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1)get updated texbin.tgz
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2) run:
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cd /usr/TeX/lib/tex
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tar cvf m.t macros
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rm -r macros
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ln -s inputs macros
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tar cvf m.t
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sync; rm m.t
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please forgive my oversight that caused the above problems.
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thomas (tdunbar@vtaix.cc.vt.edu)
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