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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 17:13:23 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #294
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Linux-Activists Digest #294, Volume #6 Thu, 7 Oct 93 17:13:23 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin (Michael Will)
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Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Vernon Schryver)
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Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin (Michael Will)
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Re: Diamond Speedstar 24X (Steven Yampolsky)
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Crisp for Linux on sunsite (Robert Broughton)
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Re: /proc, ptys and su on /dev/ttyS0 (Robert Moser)
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Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help (Chris Vetter)
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Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help (Robert Moser)
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Compiling Xli (Luong V Nguyen)
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Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Warner Losh)
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Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Warner Losh)
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sysinstall ? (Jun Yang)
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Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Miguel Alvarez Blanco)
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Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help (Erlend Osborg Larsen)
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Re: sysinstall ? (Frank Lofaro)
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Re: Why doesnt lpr work ? (Steven A. Reisman)
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Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting (Sam Gentile)
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Re: using term (Scott C. Cottrille)
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Re: norton-like shell for unix? (John Moyer)
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: will@linus (Michael Will)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin
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Date: 7 Oct 1993 15:30:04 GMT
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Reply-To: will@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de
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Michael A. Irons (mirons@icarus.ci.net) wrote:
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: I have been thinking about just this thing. I would use OB/OI
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: as it seems fairly easy to use and it would be good to show some
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: support for the product.
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Exactly my intent - besides creating a nice tool and lerning a lot
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about ObjectorientedProgramming(tm).
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: Each of the sections could be written and then merged into a
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: main utility. If it's designed carfully, if should be extendable as
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: well. As for the compile time stuff. Once the gui is set, it could be
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: compiled into a *.o files and then linked with the code for
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: maintaining the files.
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Yes, but there is still one major problem. We have to separate the
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functionality from the user-interface, because we cannot use X alone.
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To many users do not use X because of lack of memory - these are most
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likely to be happy to use such a tool like we want to write.
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I think we have to provide a curses-interface as well - how this can
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be done we should discuss.
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My thinking is like: use virtual-functions (late binding) to have the objects
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communicate with the user with the apropriate methods for the selected
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user-interface.
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ParcPlace have done this with Motif/Openlook - why
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should we not add a curses-layer?
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But we have to avoid blowing up our task to unsolvable complexity, this
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is what makes me uneasy :)
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: I think it would be good to have it very flexable. For
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: example, with UUCP automatically figuring out which type of config
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: files you are using and offering a conversion option to one of the
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: others. That way the user is offered a list of systems, they pick a
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: system (or add a new one) and get options to either clear/delete it,
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: or edit it's 'capabilities'.
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Yes, this is what I wanted to do with the usermaintanement-stuff which
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should use shadow-passwd-files and add the gui-fields if shadow is
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detected - but as well work without and not bother about shadow-features.
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Maybe we should create a mail-channel for this topic? If enough users
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and developers are interested...
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Please let me know...
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Cheers, Michael Will
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------------------------------
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com (Vernon Schryver)
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Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 20:53:09 GMT
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In article <CGD.93Oct6131315@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU> cgd@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou) writes:
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>...
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>on Ultrix, it appears to be something like either 100 on some
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>machines, or 256 on others (they've removed the [HZ] #define, and
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>replaced it with an entry in a cpu configuration table, or so it
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>would seem). ...
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Could it be that they gone to that irritating POSIX or DKI DLPI function call?
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Vernon Schryver vjs@rhyolite.com
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------------------------------
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From: will@linus (Michael Will)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: CFC/CFI: XSysadmin
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Date: 7 Oct 1993 16:19:39 GMT
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Reply-To: will@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de
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Mhm, now that I read just another load of follow-ups, I think it would be
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good to create a language as someone proposed.
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This would describe screens, and actions, acting on curses and X in the
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same script...
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The advantage is clear: many users can contribute their configuration-
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scripts and do not have to bother to much with the userinterface.
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Only - this I think I cannot do - it is to big a task.
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If someone can do such a great thing, I think I would retreat to using
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the language creating some scripts - if not, I think we should stick
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to the OI/uib-stuff.
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While xview is nice, I think OI is much more real
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ObjectOriented - and it is more easy to provide two userinterfaces
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using the same functionalitycode with true objects...
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Cheers, Michael Will - away for a week - sorry.
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------------------------------
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From: ssy1538@draper.com (Steven Yampolsky)
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Subject: Re: Diamond Speedstar 24X
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 16:30:29 GMT
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Steven C. Wolfe (scw@fig.citib.com) wrote:
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: Hi:
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: Does anyone know if the DIAMOND SPEEDSTAR 24X will work with Linux, and if
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: so, where a driver might be available?
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: I looked on the DIAMOND BBS, and did not notice anything.
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: thanks
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: SCWolfe
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I 've got Speedstar24X too. I had problems at first but mostly monitor-card
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related. The card is easily configured and 100% compatible with WD chips.
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I believe, 30's.
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In terms of drivers,well, you need none. All you'll need is change
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settings in Xconfig file.
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Forget about the BBS. They don't like UNIX at Western Digital: the
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maker of Speedstar 24X.
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The only probles is that you can't use True color capabilities.
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Linux supports true color only on et3000 chips.
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Steven from Brookline,MA
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P.S. I maybe wrong about the names like et3000, my girlfriend's name, etc.
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------------------------------
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From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
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Subject: Crisp for Linux on sunsite
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Date: 7 Oct 93 17:13:18 GMT
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Who uploaded the Crisp binary that appears on sunsite? If you're out there,
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could you upload the "xcr" binary also?
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--
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*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
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Robert Broughton Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca
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"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
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all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
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nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
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------------------------------
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From: araw@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Robert Moser)
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Subject: Re: /proc, ptys and su on /dev/ttyS0
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Date: 7 Oct 1993 17:22:09 GMT
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Just wanted to add to Linus' posting to upgrade to pl13. This is
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precisely my experience. I had numerous problems with pl12 that
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caused the machine to go "out to lunch". My suspicion was a
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memory management leak. In fact, if I just left the machine idle for
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a sufficient length of time, it would sometimes lock.
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pl13 is very stable (for me so far) and I've experienced no "hangs".
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Just one thing, when I ran the "bouncing ball" x-demo, it took so many
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resources the mouse became unusable. It was very difficult to exit.
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Any ideas?
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ARAW
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------------------------------
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From: cbvetter@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Chris Vetter)
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Subject: Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help
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Date: 7 Oct 1993 17:32:20 GMT
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In article <CEJ6y4.FE5@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>, hu@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Min Hu) writes:
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> Help needed:
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> My Linux machine is running very impressive. But I have got a problem with my
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> mouse.
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> I have a three button MS compatible serial mouse. When I run x-window (twm),
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> the left button works fine, it can highlight text in xterm and textedit well.
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> However, when I press right button, it will not paste. At the first, I suspected
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> the problem is my mouse. Then I changed another mouse, it is the same. Anybody
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> out there can tell me how to solve the problem? Thank you very much.
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Try the middle one ...
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> MIN
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--
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Chris
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Don't you know, that, if you start Linux on DOS (ROTFL), it deletes all
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files with the string 'Microsoft' in it?
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- Fritz Ganter -
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------------------------------
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From: araw@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Robert Moser)
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Subject: Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help
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Date: 7 Oct 1993 17:27:54 GMT
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Try each of the different mice in the Xconfig file to see if one of
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them will function more appropriately for you. Also, check your mouse
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to see if it has a protocol switch on it somewhere (mine has
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"MS-2 Key" and "PC-3 Key" settings). Some combination of the above should
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work (it did for me).
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ARAW
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------------------------------
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From: luong@athena.mit.edu (Luong V Nguyen)
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Subject: Compiling Xli
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Date: 7 Oct 1993 18:03:57 GMT
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Hi .. I am trying to compile Xli on Linux. But I ran into alot of problems.
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If you have compiled xli on linux before would you please share with
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me the tips on how to make it work.
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Thanx alot .
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--- LuoNg
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------------------------------
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
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Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 20:04:05 GMT
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I've noticed about 10% difference between FreeBSD 1.0 Gamma and Linux
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0.99p12 in compiling ObjectBuilder. I haven't tried FreeBSD 1.0
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Epsilon yet, but expect that difference to become much smaller (like
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on the order of 1 or 2%).
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Warner
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--
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Warner Losh imp@boulder.parcplace.COM ParcPlace Boulder
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I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.
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------------------------------
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
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Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 23:37:36 GMT
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Compiling a certain large (40,000+ lines) C++ program, I've found that
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Linux takes 31:22 to compile it, while FreeBSD 1.0 Epsilon takes 31:42
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on the same system, same disks, etc.
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Granted, this isn't number crunching, but it does show the two systems
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tend to be about the same speed for what I tried. Older versions of
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BSD might be slower (I know that the Gamma version took about 2-3
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minutes longer).
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Warner
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--
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Warner Losh imp@boulder.parcplace.COM ParcPlace Boulder
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I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.
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------------------------------
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From: jyang@eoc.com (Jun Yang)
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Subject: sysinstall ?
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Reply-To: jyang@eoc.com
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 18:04:00 GMT
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I am having a problem using sysinstsll. I tried to use various
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options to install the OI package but Linux seemed to be stuck
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with the prompt:
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Insert disk oi1 into the floppy drive then hit enter, or q to quit
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After my hitting Enter for 3 times, sysinstall quitted to the shell
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prompt. What am I doing wrong? Email reply preferred.
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Thanks a lot for your help.
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Jun
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd
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From: miguel@pinon.ccu.uniovi.es (Miguel Alvarez Blanco)
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Date: 7 Oct 93 19:12:09 +0100
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Chris Metcalf (metcalf@CATFISH.LCS.MIT.EDU) wrote:
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: Linux (which defines only CLK_TCK, not HZ, in its include files)
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Look at /usr/include/sys/<I don't remember>.h, it has both of them defined!
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(at least in my Slackware distribution).
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: A quick check of MIPS Ultrix 4.3, SunOS 4.1.3, NextStep 2.1 and Vax BSD 4.3
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: reveals that all of them use HZ=60 when returning a value via times(),
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: by the way; my guess at HZ in BSD was based on Vax BSD.
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BTW, our old Convex has the HZ set to 60, too.
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Oh, and another thing. Do you remember five months ago, a student's question
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here in Spain as to what has one to do when nobody gives him money to buy
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a C-90? I've found it, my 486DX2-66 PC with Linux has beaten (running our
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application in quantum chemistry) things like that Convex 120, this HP-9000,
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all of our VaxStations, some Sparcs (I don't remember the model), and watch
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this! even the Cray YMP at CIEMAT in Madrid ! and I bought it for something
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like 2000$
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Miguel Alvarez Blanco "All that is gold does not glitter,
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miguel@hobbit.quimica.uniovi.es not all those who wander are lost."
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miguel@pinon.ccu.uniovi.es Bilbo Baggins.
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From: erlendl@edb.tih.no (Erlend Osborg Larsen)
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Subject: Re: paste dose not work in x-window, help
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 18:18:40 GMT
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Min Hu (hu@helios.physics.utoronto.ca) wrote:
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:>My Linux machine is running very impressive. But I have got a problem with my
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:>mouse.
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:>I have a three button MS compatible serial mouse. When I run x-window (twm),
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:>the left button works fine, it can highlight text in xterm and textedit well.
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:>However, when I press right button, it will not paste. At the first, I suspected
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:>the problem is my mouse. Then I changed another mouse, it is the same. Anybody
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:>out there can tell me how to solve the problem? Thank you very much.
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What you could try is to paste with <shift> <Insert> .. but that wolden't
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help your mouse ....
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erlend
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--
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************************************
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** Erlend Osborg Larsen **
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** Fjordgata 15, 7010 Trondheim **
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** Norway **
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** 73528816 or 73529665 **
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************************************
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------------------------------
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
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Subject: Re: sysinstall ?
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 19:10:27 GMT
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In article <CEJGup.1ru@eoc.com> jyang@eoc.com writes:
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>
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>I am having a problem using sysinstsll. I tried to use various
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>options to install the OI package but Linux seemed to be stuck
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>with the prompt:
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>
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>Insert disk oi1 into the floppy drive then hit enter, or q to quit
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>
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>After my hitting Enter for 3 times, sysinstall quitted to the shell
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>prompt. What am I doing wrong? Email reply preferred.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Using SLS!
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P.S. Comp.os.linux is obsolete, move questions to comp.os.linux.help
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------------------------------
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From: sar@bee.beehive.mn.org (Steven A. Reisman)
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Subject: Re: Why doesnt lpr work ?
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 17:51:20 GMT
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Mattias Olsson (mattias@shogun) wrote:
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: I cant get lpr to work on my Linux machine !
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: I get all kinds of error messages , like ,jobs are quued but cant start deamon,
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: or cant create look-file , and so on.
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: What is wrong , have I installed everything corectly ?
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I had similar problems when I installed the original Slackware release.
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I discovered that there were different versions of lpd and friends in a couple
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of the directories. I used `find' to get a list of all files starting with
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`lp', and then I used `strings' to pick out the version numbers of each. I
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deleted the old and saved the new. I had to change the lpd startup in
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/etc/rc.local.
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Once I removed the mismatched software, and started the current
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daemon, everything worked smoothly.
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Steven Reisman
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sar@bee.beehive.mn.org
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------------------------------
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From: sgentile@sbgpx7.mro4.enet.dec.com (Sam Gentile)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil cdrom problem booting
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 16:56:42 GMT
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In article <265@gblinux.demon.co.uk>, gareth@gblinux.demon.co.uk (Gareth Bult) says:
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>
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>On 2 Oct 1993 16:53:16 GMT;
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>----Frederick J. Goodrum (frgoodrum@delphi.com) said:
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>>
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>>I purchased Yggdrasil CDROM and am trying to install linux in the
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>>cd_dependent mode (my hard drive is to small for the other versions)
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>>I Cannot boot from the hard drive however as the kernel (sic?) cannot find
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>>my CDROM.
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>
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>Which version of the CD?
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>There are 2 usual causes;
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>1) You do not have your CD on the correct hardware settings.
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> you need base address 300 and IRQ 5 by default.
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>2) Newer drives have nasty firmware that breaks the driver.
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> If you only have boot floppy rev B, you need rev C.
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>
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>>According to the online doc I have to recompile linux setting the ISO-9660
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>>flag. The is great if I can fit the sources on my pc. but according to the
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>>doc that ain't gonna happen. This sounds like a chicken and egg problem.
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>>question: Is there a minimal group of source files I can copy to my hard
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>>drive to perform the recompile?
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>>Should I request an updated CDROM (I thought the floppies and the CD
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>>would be in sync)?
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>>Thanks in advance
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>
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>The ISO9660 filesystem is compiled into the yggdrasil kernel when you get
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>it.. otherwise you could never load the thing could you?
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>
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>:)
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>
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>Gareth.
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This is probably all with the old CD-ROM, which fully said BETA on it. The
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release 1 CD is now available and includes a 99.13 kernel and lots of
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great stuff. I have one on order. By the way, I find the Yddrasil distribution
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the only one that works on my work machine and I find it very easy
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to set up.
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Sam
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------------------------------
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From: scottco@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Scott C. Cottrille)
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Subject: Re: using term
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 20:23:13 GMT
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Laurent Chavey (chavey@bifur.cis.udel.edu) wrote:
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: I have been trying to use term between my linux box at home
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: and the udel net at school. here is where I am at.
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: first I make the modem connection with kermit.
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: then I logon the sun at udel
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: then I start term on the sun (i got the source compiled there
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: sourcce from sunsite about a week ago).
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: then I escape back to my system, try these
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: shell out of kermit, start term </dev/modem >/dev/modem &
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: then try trsh "nothing appens on screen, but the modem rcv,send blinks"
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: if I go back to kermit, I will see a lot of character being displayed.
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: meaning I am receiving something.
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: also if after shelling again to kermit I do
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: echo 00000 > /dev/modem
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: when I come back to kermit, connect, the term on the
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: sun is stopped as it should be.
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: Does anyone have any ideas of what I am doing wrong.
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: I have posted multiple message, the answers have helped thus far.
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: the version of linux I am running is 99.p6 (may be to old ??)
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: the connection is done through a modem pool. baud is 19200.
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: (maybe I should try 2400, I think i did).
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: thank you.
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Just suspend/stop Kermit (hit ^Z). Works for me.
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load kermit
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dial/connect
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run term (make sure you specify that your host is the remote term by doing:
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term -r
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Or placing the appropriate entries into your ~/.term/termrc file)
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escape to kermit
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^Z
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term </dev/modem >/dev/modem 2>/dev/null&
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etc...
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From: jrm@quest1.UUCP (John Moyer)
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Subject: Re: norton-like shell for unix?
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 17:30:28 GMT
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In article <28uviu$qvo@balsam.unca.edu> fauerbac@canton.cs.unca.edu (John Fauerbach) writes:
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>: Does anybody know about a shell that is comparable to the
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>: "Norton Commander" running under MS-DOS?
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>: I mean a shell that makes copying, moving and purging files
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>: more comfortable. ( No, it's _not_ for me but someone else ;-)
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>Me too. I looking for something that displays two different directories at
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>the same time a that I could copy files between eachdirectory.
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>Thanks,
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>John Fauerbac
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One called gram's commander or gc was posted to one of the source groups
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sometime this year.
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Graham Wheeler, Aztec Information Management,
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gram@aim1.aztec.co.za.
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from the README file:
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README for Gram's Commander v3.1
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=================================
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I have been promising this release for quite a while now. Unfortunately
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I have been busy, been overseas, been sick, etc, so I haven't been able
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to give it all the time it deserves. It works under UNIX SVR4, HP-UX, and
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on Crays; other platforms may or may not work.
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I have decided to reelase gc3.1 at this point because it is becoming
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difficult for me to respond to problems reported by the beta testers
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without access to the same target systems as they are using. My hope
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in releasing gc3.1 now is that other users who may have more programming
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experience than some of the gc beta testers will be able to find the
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problems for me and send me patches. Also, if I don't do it now, gc3.1
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will probably *never* be released, due to time constraints.
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Despite the fact that it hasn't been completely ported to all Unix
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flavours, if you are a programmer familiar with your architecture you
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should not have much difficulty getting the system going. In particular
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I have kept the use of Curses routines to a minimum as this is a big
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portability problem.
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Please read the gc3.doc file for full details about gc3.1. The gc3 manual
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entry is very terse and really just refers to the doc file as well.
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For those who are familiar with gc, you will be pleased to know that
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gc3.1 is a *major* improvement over gc2.x, mostly because it is now
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almost completely controlled by a fairly powerful script language. To make
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the most of gc3 you will want to familiarise yourself with the script
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language and create your own gc3.key file.
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I hope someone finds htis helpful.
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--
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John Moyer essex.ecn.uoknor.edu!quest1!jrm
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Quest Consultants Inc. att!occrsh!quest1!jrm
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P.O. Box 721387 (405) 329-7475 192.207.125.0
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Norman, Ok 73070-8069 Fax: (405) 329-7734
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