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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 16:13:17 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #722
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Linux-Misc Digest #722, Volume #2 Wed, 7 Sep 94 16:13:17 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Possible lpd/printcap bug (Wolf Paul)
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PCI+Pentium+Linux+X? (David J Topper)
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Re: Required: Prolog (Erik Troan)
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Re: Unix programming question (Arlie Davis)
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Re: jlisp under linux? (Jeff Weisberg)
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Re: 1542 (Brad Hull)
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[Q] How to create and admin Linux LAN (Joerg Fries)
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Re: Mosaic on Linux (Neil Matthew)
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Tierra for Linux? (Neil Matthew)
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Re: Newest kernel version to fix memory problems... (hoover david)
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Best use of 2 PCs for Linux/X (Dave Bullis)
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Re: Linux Tech Support Job Offering (Clifton Koch)
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Where is Unix Interactive Tools ????? (Thomas Schruefer)
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From: wnp@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul)
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Subject: Re: Possible lpd/printcap bug
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Reply-To: Wolf.Paul@AAF.Alcatel.AT
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:23:51 GMT
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In article <ann-8811.778874061@cs.cornell.edu>, ABRAHAMS@ACM.ORG writes:
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|> I've been stung by something in the way that lpd interprets printcap that
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|> probably qualifies as a bug and surely qualifies as unexpected and
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|> obnoxious behavior.
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|>
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|> If a comment line (starting with #) follows a continuation line in a
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|> printcap description, the comment delimiter is ignored and the rest of
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|> the line is interpreted anyway. Since I don't have the man page for
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|> printcap (it didn't come with my Slackware 1.0 distribution, alas), I
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|> can't verify for sure that the man page doesn't cover this case.
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|> However, the Printing HOWTO doesn't cover it.
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|>
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|> It is hard for me to see how the current behavior could be either useful
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|> or desirable. A comment line ought to be ignored wherever it appears,
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|> I'd think.
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The SunOS lpd displays exactly the same behavior, as does every other lpd
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I have come across, and in a way it is perfectly logical:
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A comment line ought to be ignored wherever it appears,
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BUT, a continuation line is not a a separate line, as far as lpd is concerned,
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and the "printcap" format does not provide for comments within an entry.
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A workaround which can be used for real comments (but not for "commenting out"
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portions of an entry containing colons) is to simply surround your comment
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with colons, it is then a superfluous field which is simply ignored by lpd.
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We use this here to include a note about where a printer is physically located.
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lpd is not the only utility which exhibits this behavior, btw; I have come
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across versions of "make" which don't like comment lines, say, in the middle
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of a macro definition which stretches over multiple lines. I don't know
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whether this is true of all makes, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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--
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V Wolf N. Paul, UNIX Support/KSF wnp@aaf.alcatel.at
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+-----------------+ Alcatel Austria AG, Site "F" +43-1-291-21-122 (w)
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| A L C A T E L | Ruthnergasse 1-7 +43-1-292-1452 (fax)
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+-----------------+ A-1210 Vienna-Austria/Europe +43-1-220-6481 (h)
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From: djt1@ciao.cc.columbia.edu (David J Topper)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: PCI+Pentium+Linux+X?
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 14:12:03 GMT
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: Pentium PCI + Linux X Motiff
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Summary:
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Followup-To:
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Distribution: usa
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Organization: Columbia University
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Keywords:
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Cc:
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Hello,
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I could really use some help on the following:
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1) Does Linux support the Pentium?
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2) Does Linux support 32 | 64 bit Video (PCI)?
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3) Would an SCSI HD make life better?
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4) How does one get Linux + a GUI (X Windows / Motiff) + a C++ compiler
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and other utils?
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5) Are there any major brand hardware peices I need to watch out for?
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6) Or, is there a list (are there lists) of Linux / Xfree86 / C++
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compatibility and availability w/respect to Pentium / PCI Video.
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I'd LOVE to know.
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I really need to buy a machine and get Unix (Linux) running ASAP. I do
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some DOS programming so I'd like to go with the Pentium and whatnot, but
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perhaps not... From what I've gathered, I need to watch what I buy if I
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go with Linux.
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Help would be very greatly appreciated. My other option is to just buy
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the SCO Unix (spelled $$$). I'd like to avoid that.
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Thanks,
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DT
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From: ewt@sunSITE.unc.edu (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: Required: Prolog
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 14:36:58 GMT
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In article <01HGSIJYX0HK8WWTWW@bodkin.ucg.ie>,
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Paul J. Nolan, Dept. of Mech. Eng., University College Galway, Ireland <Paul.Nolan@UCG.IE> wrote:
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>Hi,
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>
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>I am having great difficulty getting a version of Prolog to build on my
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>linux machine. I've tried five of six different versions, all to no avail.
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>The build problems were sticky ones which I couldn't simply resolve either.
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>I even had one which offered a `linux specific' configuration but that was for
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>a v0.99 kernel and wouldn't build either.
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Get SWI-Prolog from sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/devel/prolog. It's compied
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fine on Linux since 0.96c+. Gosh I miss those version numbers!
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Erik
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--
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============================================================================
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"Due to technical difficulties, the light at the end of the tunnel as been"
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"turned off until further notice"
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Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt
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From: arlie@thepoint.com (Arlie Davis)
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Subject: Re: Unix programming question
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 11:45:50 -0400
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mhw@cs.brown.edu (Mark Weaver) writes:
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>Van Dao Mai <mai@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> wrote:
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>>I have programmed UNIX for a long time and feel frustrated with the way
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>>software is installed on the system. Under UNIX people often have to
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>>hardwire the paths and settings into the executable at compile time.
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>>This is in contrast with DOS that passes the full path name of the execuatble
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>>as argv[0] so that you can search for library + data files.
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Hardcoded paths are annoying WHEN ABUSED. I can't stand packages that
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rely on more than a handful of hardcoded paths. My favorite applications
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have a single hardcoded pathname that points to a configuration file
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(usually in /etc), and the configuration file can either provide or
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override the other pathnames. Good examples: sendmail, Taylor UUCP,
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ld.so (for eliminating hardcoded shared library paths), SAMBA, inetd,
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named, lilo. Bad examples: inn, nn, and many, many others.
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>Un*x passes the pathname the executable (relative to the current
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>directory) in argv[0], and that in addition to the current working
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>directory tells you exactly where the program is.
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Frankly, I don't WANT my programs looking at argv[0] for paths!
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argv[0] can be ANYTHING. It is only a UNIX convention that argv[0]
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contains the name of the executable.
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What about setuid programs? Should they inspect argv[0] to see where
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their configuration and library files are? Do you see what a gaping hole
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this is?
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>For instance, here's a shell script that will always cat the file
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>"notes" which is in the same directory as the shell script. Notice that
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>neither the name of the directory nor the name of the script is
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>hardcoded.
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>#!/bin/sh
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>cat ${0%/*}/notes
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UX:(./script) ERROR:Bad substitution
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If I use basename instead:
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#!/bin/sh
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cat `dirname $0`/notes
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then it works.
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However, if I put this script in a directory that is in my PATH,
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and run it from a different directory, no it does NOT find
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the notes file. Also, if I point a symlink at it, or even a hardlink,
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and run it from a different directory, it does not find the notes file.
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I think the above is a horrid example of shell script.
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>Of course, if you assume they are always symbolic links, you could make
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>the program do an lstat() on the executable to see if it's a symbolic
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>link and do the right thing.
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Noooo!!!! NOO!!!!!!
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lstat? Cute, but... revolting.
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-- Arlie Davis | The Point: Inexpensive, high-quality public Internet
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-- <arlie@thepoint.com> | access. Flat rate: $20/month. 20G storage online.
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-- System administrator | Dial direct at (812)246-8032, or over Internet.
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-- E Pluribus UNIX | FTP: ftp.thepoint.com HTTP: http://www.thepoint.com
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--
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-- Arlie Davis | The Point: Inexpensive, high-quality public Internet
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-- <arlie@thepoint.com> | access. Flat rate: $20/month. 20G storage online.
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-- System administrator | Dial direct at (812)246-8032, or over Internet.
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-- E Pluribus UNIX | FTP: ftp.thepoint.com HTTP: http://www.thepoint.com
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From: weisberg@kirchoff.ee.rochester.edu (Jeff Weisberg)
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Subject: Re: jlisp under linux?
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 08:55:25 -0400
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maurycy@ifi.uio.no said:
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| Anybody around here compiled jlisp under linux?
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| I tried but gcc reports some errors and I don't have
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| the time to look in the sources.
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| If anybody did modify the sources for linux and/or
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| has allready compiled version I would be
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| thankfull to send me mail
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I (the author of the aforementioned sw) would also be interested
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in hearing if anyone has ported it, or if not, would be willing
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to help in porting (but I have no access to a linux box)
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--jeff
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From: bhull@renoir.cftnet.com (Brad Hull)
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Subject: Re: 1542
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 12:53:12 GMT
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mfaurot@phzzzt.atww.org (Michael Faurot) writes:
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>Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
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>: In <1994Sep4.233326.15979@pepper.cuug.ab.ca> dominic@pepper.cuug.ab.ca (Dominic Fraser) writes:
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>: >Looking for info on the compatibility of Adaptec 1542c scsi interface cards.
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>: >I understand that the 1542b, which is obsolete, was more forgiving than
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>: >the newer 1542c. Is this a problem with the linux drivers?
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>: This is not related to software, but to hardware. With the 1542C you
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>: just have to be more careful selecting good cables and having the proper
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>: termination at the ends of the cables.
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I disagree. There's got to be something wrong in a rom on the 1542C, at least
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the one I have. I have a 760 meg hard drive, a Chinon 435 cdrom, and a 525
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meg Viper tape on mine, and have had an incurable problem with reading from
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the chinon. Any other activity that comes to the scsi bus during reading from
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the Chinon has good (but not 100%) odds of hanging the scsi so hard I have to
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remove power to make it start to function again.
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I took Adaptec's advice and set the controller to disallow stops on the
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chinon, and I even cobbled my 1542 driver in the kernel to only allow 1
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mailbox, as suggested by the howto files (which agree that this is not a rare
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occurrence). These two both helped some, but the problem still occurs on such
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a regular basis that I can't get some files off my cdroms at all.
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Under msdos, this is less common on the same machine (Chinon and adaptec
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themselves supplied drivers there) but it still occurs.
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I suspect Adaptec has some kind of assumption about timing coded into the rom
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on this board and the Chinon is exceeding what somebody thought was the
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longest time you'd ever have to wait for a response.
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From: fries@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joerg Fries)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: [Q] How to create and admin Linux LAN
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 15:14:03 GMT
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I'am looking for some Linux admins which have experiences in installing
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and managing a small (private) local network.
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This is my equipment:
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i486/33 20Mb, i386/25 4Mb, 2 HD (340Mb, 120Mb), 5 1/4 + 3 1/2'' floppies,
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2 multisync Monitors, 2 VGA cards, 2 seriell cards, 2 mices, 2 keyboards,
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a printer.
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I will buy 2 Ethernet cards etc.
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These are my goals: Running the i486 as an NFS server and let the
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other one boot diskless via NFS (if possible, otherwise boot the kernel
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by diskette). Having two X Terminals with WINE emulator running
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MS-Windows (argh..). One of the two should work as a spooler/print
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server.
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Now my questions: Is this possible? Has anyone done this? What do I have
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to buy additionaly? What should I buy? And:
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WHERE can I find DOCUMENTATION for that?
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I'am happy about any help!
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Send email!
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Thanx for all, Joerg
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--
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Joerg Fries
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Department of Computer Science
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Technical University of Darmstadt, Germany
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email: fries@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
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From: nm@mobicom.demon.co.uk (Neil Matthew)
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Reply-To: nm@mobicom.demon.co.uk
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Subject: Re: Mosaic on Linux
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:47:03 +0000
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Jae W. Chang (jae+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
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: Select the Help menu on the upper right of ncsa Mosaic and select help
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: on 2.4 or something like that. Somewhere there's a page describiing
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: the various other resources you can set that are for the Mosaic
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: specific widgets. All the other color specs can be done through the
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: standard Motif widgets in your .Xresources file.
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A little off-topic I know, but does anyone know where I might find the
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Mosaic help pages in a form I can download? I'd like to avoid having to
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dial up NCSA to get help on Mosaic, and instead serve the html pages
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locally via an httpd daemon. Trying to save the pages as html does not
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save the in-line images. The html pages at NCSA are not accessible by ftp
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it seems. :-(
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Regards
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Neil
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+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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| Neil Matthew Non sequitur |
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| nm@mobicom.demon.co.uk Your facts are uncoordinated |
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From: nm@mobicom.demon.co.uk (Neil Matthew)
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Reply-To: nm@mobicom.demon.co.uk
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Subject: Tierra for Linux?
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 14:16:22 +0000
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Hi,
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I have been playing recently with some 'Artificial Life' books and software,
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notably Rudy Rucker's Artificial Life Lab (Waite Group Press) and Boppers
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program. (Highly recommended). In the book Rucker refers to Tom Ray's
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'tierra', which I have downloaded and am trying to get running under Linux.
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(anon ftp: tierra.slhs.udel.edu:/tierra/tierra.tar.Z)
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Basically, it compiles with a few minor tweaks (Linux and GCC grumbles),
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and seems to run OK. There is an X windows view on the process ('ov'),
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which I cannot get to run. It is supposed to connect via a socket to the
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main 'tierra' program, but it hangs in connect(). It all works a treat
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on the Sun at work, but that's not much help.
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Has anyone successfully ported 'tierra' and friends to Linux? If so, what
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did you do?
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Regards
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Neil
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| Neil Matthew Non sequitur |
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| nm@mobicom.demon.co.uk Your facts are uncoordinated |
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From: hoover@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (hoover david)
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Subject: Re: Newest kernel version to fix memory problems...
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 15:56:01 GMT
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gabe@deathstar.cris.com (Gabe Krupa) writes:
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>I've been watching the /proc/meminfo file lately to see how memory intensive
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>some of the programs I run in the background are and I noticed something fairly
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>disturbing to me. After running a while with normal usage (say a day or two)
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>without being shutdown and rebooted, memory seems to be marked as used, even
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>though all ''memory expensive'' programs have been killed.
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>At one point, 11 mb worth of buffers were shown as being used and I thought
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>that it had to do with playing audio cd's through my cdrom. So I stopped
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>doing that. It didn't help. So I unmounted all nfs file-systems. Ditto.
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>I'm stumped. It seems that the kernel should return all alloced memory to the
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>general memory pool after a process terminates even if that process never freed
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>the memory itself. So I tried mallocing a meg or so and exiting, but that did
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>not seem to be the cause.
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>If anyone knows the cause of this, and if there is a kernel patch that will fix
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>it, please let me know. I'm running kernel ver 1.0 and haven't seen the need
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>to look for a later version until now.
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>Please reply here or directly via email.
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I am not an expert, but I don't think this is a bug. If you access the hard
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drive, the disk buffers are stored in free ram. When the program terminates,
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if there is still some free memory, it makes sense to mark the previously used
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memory as 'buffers', and use some more of the totally free memory. That way,
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if you try to access the hard drive again in the same place as you did before,
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the stuff is already in a buffer.
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If the kernel had 'freed up' the memory, this info would no longer be
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available. So, there is no reason to free up this memory to the general
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pool unless it is needed at the moment. For this reason, if you use your
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computer for a long period of time, all of the memory will be used after
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a while (for buffers) and there will remain basically no free memory.
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This makes perfect sense. Otherwise, you are completely wasting your
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precious memory.
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I don't think you have any reason to worry.
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>A thousand thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer,
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>Gabe Krupa
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>gabe@pantera.cris.com
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video
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From: dbullis@cognos.COM (Dave Bullis)
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Subject: Best use of 2 PCs for Linux/X
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:14:55 GMT
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I have a 386/DX-40 (ISA-bus, 8Mb) and am thinking of getting bigger PC,
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(say 486/DX2-66, >=16Mb). I'm running Linux/X11. I have about 1Gb of ESDI
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disk, probably move to SCSI in the future.
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This is for S/W development, mail and general fooling around.
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I also have some diskless PCs that need a disk server.
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(Actually I'm trying to justify an accelerated ISA video card. VL or PCI
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would mean buying a new mother board)
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I can think of 3 possibilities:
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1) Junk the 386 and put everything on the 486, (but I'd like to move the
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disks to the cool quiet basement).
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2) Put the disks on the 386 for a NFS server and use the 486 as a compute
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and X server.
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3) Put the disks on the 486, use it as a disk and compute server and make
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the 386 a Xserver (essentially a X-terminal).
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Option 3 makes sense to me as it keeps the disk in the compute server.
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Also, the kids can play MSDOS games on it without interfering with the
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server.
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The 386 is maxed out at 8Mb (and I don't want to buy any more obsolete 30pin
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simms). It looks to me that 8Mb is ok for a X-server.
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IBM Xstations (140 and 150) come with 4Mb and 8Mb.
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I think a disk-server could use all the memory it can get.
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Some questions:
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I assume X traffic would be less of a load on the net than NFS: TRUE of FALSE?
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(X-terminals seems to work, and Linux-NFS seems slow at the current time).
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I've tried a simple test (doing a ls -lR on a NFS mounted disk (on HPUX)
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and doing the same from a xterm on the disk-server with display on my W/S)
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and the xterm won the race.
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Assuming a accelerated card (ATI Graphics Xpression looks good, once XFree
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supports it; any other suggestions?), what about performance?
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From looking at X-bench numbers, performance is mostly independent of the type
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of BUS (ISA/VL/PCI). What about the impact of processor speed (the xbench
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survey lists few 386 boxs)?
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If I did want to use an ISA video card in a machine with >=16Mb it would
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mean I couldn't use the linear frame buffer. Does this matter a whole lot?
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What is a good networking card (NE2000 clone)? Does it really matter?
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Followups to comp.windows.x.i386unix.
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--
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Dave Bullis Cognos, Inc VOICE: (613) 738-1440 FAX: (613) 738-0002
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3755 Riverside Dr. P.O. Box 9707 WORK: dbullis@cognos.com
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Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA K1G 3Z4 HOME: dave@sillub.ocunix.on.ca
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"I didn't know the terminals were haunted. The salesman didn't tell us."
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From: koch@rtsg.mot.com (Clifton Koch)
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Subject: Re: Linux Tech Support Job Offering
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Date: 6 Sep 94 21:36:21 GMT
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mjohnsto@dorsai.org (Michael_Johnston) writes:
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>Please send your resume with salary requirements to Michael Johnston at
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>(516) 889-8665. We will not accept phone calls or email about this
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>position. We will contact you within 1 week of receipt of your resume and
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>salary requirements to setup an interview if we are interested in meeting
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>with you.
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Umm, won't accept phone calls, but you leave a phone number as the contact
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point? Is this a FAX line?
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Cliff
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--
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=============================================================================
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Cliff Koch
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Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Division
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koch@meerkat.cig.mot.com
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From: schruefe@macbeth.umd.edu (Thomas Schruefer)
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Subject: Where is Unix Interactive Tools ?????
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 16:17:12 GMT
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I am looking for the latest version of Mthe utility program
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UnixInteractiveTools, it was on PUB.PUB.RO but I cannot access that site
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anylonger. Does anyone know of an alternate site it may be at???????
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Thomas Schruefer schruefe@umd5.umd.edu
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Howard County Public School System
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